“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father *with his angels* and then he shall reward *every man* according to his works.” {Matthew 16:27} “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.” {Luke 9:26} *The chariots* of God are twenty thousand, even thousands *of angels* the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. {Psalm 68:17} Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: *who maketh the clouds his chariot* who walketh upon the wings of the wind: {Psalm 104:3} Behold, *he cometh with clouds* and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Revelation 1:7}
Correction: The Millerites did not believe, nor did they teach of a pre-tribulation rapture. Their method of prophetic interpretation was Historicism, like God himself. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: {Isaiah 46:10}
And Without the church there is no need for a tribulation. The church will be the object of the tribulation. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (the remnant church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, *which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ* {Revelation 12:17} Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near *in the valley of decision* {Joel 3:14} For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. {Ephesians 6:12} “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” {Matthew 24:6} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. {1 Thessalonians 5:3}
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, {Revelation 7:2} “For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” {Matthew 24:7} And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared* And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty* "Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done* {Revelation 16:12-17} And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. {Revelation 19:1-2} ... Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God* {Revelation 19:7-9}👈 ^ Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
There are two resurrections, separated by a thousand years. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto *the resurrection of life* and they that have done evil, unto *the resurrection of damnation* {John 5:29} And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, *both* of *the just and unjust* {Acts 24:15} *But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished* This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such *the second death* hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. {Revelation 20:5-6} And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and ("""a thousand years""") some to shame and everlasting contempt. {Daniel 12:2}
Wherefore remember, that ye being *in time past* Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from *the commnwealth of Israel* and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh *by the blood of Christ* For he is our peace, who hath made both [Jew and Gentile] one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh *the enmity* even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; [not the ten commandments] for to make in himself *of twain one new man* so making peace; And that he might reconcile *both* unto God in *one body* by the cross, *having slain the enmity thereby* And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but *fellowcitizens* with the saints, and of the household of God; {Ephesians 2:11-19} Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For *they are not all Israel* which are of Israel: *Neither because they are the seed of Abraham* are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, *They which are the children of the flesh these are not the children of God* but *the children of the promise* are counted for the seed. {Romans 9:6-8} Now we, [Galatians] brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. {Galatians 4:28-29} For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon *the Israel of God* {Galatians 6:15-16} And they [the Jew] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again* {Romans 11:23} For ye are all the children of God *by faith in Christ Jesus* For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. {Galatians 3:26-27}
Very good the left behind rapture is nonsense. And I find the people who teach this when challenged on these points, do what the JW's do, they run or refuse to speak to you. Just walk away from them.
Is 1 Thess 4:17 biblical? Yep! Rev 20:4-6 says the 1st resurrection will be of those that endured the tribulation + 1 Thess 4:16-17 tells us the rapture is after the resurrection. Also see Isa 26:20-21.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father *with his angels* and then he shall reward *every man* according to his works.”
{Matthew 16:27}
“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
{Luke 9:26}
*The chariots* of God are twenty thousand, even thousands *of angels* the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
{Psalm 68:17}
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: *who maketh the clouds his chariot* who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
{Psalm 104:3}
Behold, *he cometh with clouds* and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
{Revelation 1:7}
Correction:
The Millerites did not believe, nor did they teach of a pre-tribulation rapture.
Their method of prophetic interpretation was Historicism, like God himself.
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
{Isaiah 46:10}
And Without the church there is no need for a tribulation. The church will be the object of the tribulation.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (the remnant church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, *which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ*
{Revelation 12:17}
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near *in the valley of decision*
{Joel 3:14}
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
{Ephesians 6:12}
“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
{Matthew 24:6}
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
{1 Thessalonians 5:3}
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
{Revelation 7:2}
“For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
{Matthew 24:7}
And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared*
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty*
"Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done*
{Revelation 16:12-17}
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
...
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}👈
^
Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
There are two resurrections, separated by a thousand years.
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto *the resurrection of life* and they that have done evil, unto *the resurrection of damnation*
{John 5:29}
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, *both* of *the just and unjust*
{Acts 24:15}
*But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished* This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such *the second death* hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
{Revelation 20:5-6}
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and ("""a thousand years""") some to shame and everlasting contempt.
{Daniel 12:2}
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Wherefore remember, that ye being *in time past* Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from *the commnwealth of Israel* and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh *by the blood of Christ*
For he is our peace, who hath made both [Jew and Gentile] one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in his flesh *the enmity* even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; [not the ten commandments] for to make in himself *of twain one new man* so making peace;
And that he might reconcile *both* unto God in *one body* by the cross, *having slain the enmity thereby*
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but *fellowcitizens* with the saints, and of the household of God;
{Ephesians 2:11-19}
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For *they are not all Israel* which are of Israel:
*Neither because they are the seed of Abraham* are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, *They which are the children of the flesh these are not the children of God* but *the children of the promise* are counted for the seed.
{Romans 9:6-8}
Now we, [Galatians] brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
{Galatians 4:28-29}
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and
upon *the Israel of God*
{Galatians 6:15-16}
And they [the Jew] also, *if they abide not still in unbelief* shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in *again*
{Romans 11:23}
For ye are all the children of God *by faith in Christ Jesus*
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
{Galatians 3:26-27}
Very good the left behind rapture is nonsense. And I find the people who teach this when challenged on these points, do what the JW's do, they run or refuse to speak to you. Just walk away from them.
Is 1 Thess 4:17 biblical? Yep! Rev 20:4-6 says the 1st resurrection will be of those that endured the tribulation + 1 Thess 4:16-17 tells us the rapture is after the resurrection. Also see Isa 26:20-21.
Thanks. Check out our Bible Study on 1 Thessalonians for clarification of our position on these verses.