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are you shure that mlo was enabled? because asus be98 still laging behind not enabling mlo can share screen shoots to see how its looks when mlo enabled?
I have an Orbi RBR50 and it has been a champion mesh system. I purchased it 8 years or so ago and I want to upgrade soon! I am really looking at the Orbi 970, my speed is 1 Gb with my ISP, and I know is probably not necessary to get the Orbi 970, but I think I will be upgrading my speed soon as well. All this is an investment, but in my opinion is well worth it.
Hi, I really love your videos and I am very curious if you’re also going to review the newly released Orbi 770 system. Price seems to be much more reasonable compared with the high-end Orbi 970. Would be very interesting if the performance decreases as much as the price or if you can’t really notice the difference.
Also i think i already know why phones are capped at 3Gbps.. its the wifi chip of devices.. not the router/mesh.. but the drvice being limted by their wifi chip
I’m going to make my decision today. I have Spectrum and I’ll be plugging my mesh system into the back of their router like my current Orbi system is. I have 1 gig of download speed that I’m not getting with my current Orbi system. Which one of these 3 do you recommend? Money is not a problem. Thanks!!!
With a WiFi 7 device it should be possibly on a local speed test assuming you have the necessary hardware and Ethernet cables that can handle those speeds. If I get my hands on one, I can test but no plans as of now
Problem I have with this setup is that you cannot hide your iot network. Also if you decide to activate your vpn. You can have troubles with any iot device. On the upcoming firmware update I expect them to fix this. For how much the units are going for. I’m not planning on buying another WiFi router for at least 15-20 years. If you have an apple home oh your in for a headache dealing with the 7e. I originally bought a trashcan of a 6e router for 500 so I could get the best connection between my bedroom and main unit. Gave it to my mom who had her technology suddenly stop connecting to an old tplink 6 fixed a lot of her problems..
@@landpet I just wanted to let you know that I’m currently using the Orbi 960 overseas in Italy. The adapter states: “INPUT: 100-120V~- 50/60Hz 1.7A.” However, I went ahead and used a “European Travel Plug Adapter” and didn’t have any issues. Now, I’ve had them for over a week and *THANK GOD* my internet is working great despite living inside an old house with concrete walls. 🙌
Big big problem as I found out with WiFi 6 orbis onwards....they've removed the 'topology' setting . There is NO way to force one satellite to connect to another rather than the router. Tried some Orbis this past weekend thinking the backhaul would improve speeds. I could not get my orbi in the attic to connect to the satellite on the middle floor, it would connect directly to the router instead. Speeds were poor and there was nothing I could do about it. My decos are back up and their app allows me to connect each node to one another or the router, it allows me to force devices to connect to a particular node. Disappointed with Netgear removing functionality rather than improving it.
@Usefulhacksfreeofcharge Yep, it's not their for WiFi 6 mesh Orbi's onwards. I had the orbis in AP mode at first thinking that was the problem, so then set them up in Router mode and nope, topology was missing. There's quite a bit online about it.
@@BrettL250 Eer no, what a weird reply. I'm saying that a very helpful feature which was present in their WiFi 5 systems, is not available in their WiFi 6 systems. And that forcing a new node to connect to another node rather than the router itself, is a feature of almost all other mesh systems. Creating a chain through the house, can improve speeds especially if you have backhaul...and orbi not keeping their topology feature is a step backwards.
Would you recommend purchasing the Orbi RBK853 in 2024? Currently, I’m using the Nest WiFi Router + 1 Point + 1 Router. I’m in Italy inside of a concrete house.
For the single 10GbE ports - run the ONT into a 10GbE switch (i have an unmanaged 8 port nicgiga switch) and then connect the 10GbE WAN port of the orbi into the switch. Then connect other wired devices off the 10GbE switch such as additional mesh points across a 10GbE backhaul or of course a 10GbE capable device Ethernet port. Basic networking…
Thanks for the review but it would’ve been easier in my opinion if you capped your ISP to 1gb for all routers that way I wouldn’t have to remember faster isn’t necessarily faster because of the faster supported speeds on each of the routers. I really wanted to know which WiFi is faster over all. I guess the local tests do that but would’ve been a more standard or like to like test.
No problem! I actually upgraded my internet speed tests to show the differences at higher speeds and I do the local tests as well. If you’re at gig speeds, you have a lot of choices for a good mesh.
Hi, I have IQ Fiber 5 Gig Up and Down speeds service. Connected the 970 router to it. The 970 speed test within the Orbi App is close to the 5 gig up and down. However, when standing in front of the 970 router and using a Iphone 15 Pro Max and also testing the Samsung Galaxy S23+ which both have 6E, I don't get more than 1.5 to 1.6 or so up and down speeds. Is there something to do in the Orbi 970 router settings to get more speeds or am I limited by the devices which are only 6E? Thanks for your help.
You are limited by those devices, you need a wifi 7 device like the galaxy s24 ultra or oneplus 12 to get faster speeds. 970 also provides fast wireless backhill speeds
Did you happen to test any of your 2.4 ghz devices against all 3 routers? I would be interested to see if older devices experience improved range with the more powerful radio in the 970 series.
I don't test devices outside of just checking if they work. I just check my ring cameras and smart light switches to see if there are any issues but no issues happened with any of these. I can't say if the 970 is better for something like that or not, it might be but 2.4GHz typically has pretty good range with slow speed so I don't see them having a huge difference between all three.
I live in a house. About 1400 sq ft. But it’s made of concrete. Issue I have is distribution. I pay for 1gb internet. Which one of these would you recommend?
Orbi 970 (2 pack), concrete is not exactly signal friendly since Orbi 970 can go beyond gigabit for wireless backhaul, you may get your full speeds with this.
Wifi 7 has amazing wireless backhaul speeds but if you have a really good wifi 6 or 6e system with solid wireless backhaul speeds, then it wouldn't be much different for those speeds. Bottom line is it depends which router or mesh it's being compared against.
@@landpet I placed an order for the 770 a couple nights ago. Only have gigabit internet so 2.5gbps will be plenty for any future upgrades that I may need or actually use. Thank you for the response!
Would getting an 860 with 4 satellites be better than a 970 with 2 satellites? I have a very LONG church building and just trying to figure out which is the best solution for us
The satellites will start to lose speed after a while. Will you be doing wired or wireless backhaul? For wired, I would definitely go with 860. For wireless, the 970 offers even better speeds. It’s a tough choice, placement and size of the place also make a difference. If it’s a large open space, one alone will cover a fairly large area. It’s hard to say without knowing more about the building but as a general statement the 860s will have more overall coverage since there are more of them.
@@landpet Thanks for that info. Amazon was having a sale for the 860 with 4 satellites. I bought an extra one just in case. The church was built in 1905, there is thick brick, a new underfloor heating system, water based) and plaster everywhere. The length of the building is around 200 ft long over two floors. I have the Main Router in the middle of the upper floor. I'll have one satellite wired to one end of the user floor. The rest will be placed throughout the building. One main reason I need coverage everywhere is I need video doorbells on both ends. There are two entrances and sometimes deliveries only go to one door etc. Im hoping to get the rest covered wireless. in total the 86 with 5 satellites was 1500 dollars. I would love the 970 but with just 3 satellites would run about 2800 dollars. just not in the budget If you have an email I can send over my floor plan (im UK based). Ill take any help I can get
a fast wireless system would be useful not just for folks who have more than a 1gig connection. you might want fast wifi if you have a nas and want to connect to it wirelessly via mobile, television, pc at the fastest possible speeds when you're in your home...the 3gbps you were showing. of course, the nas would need a 2.5 or 10gbe connection to achieve that speed, but the use case is there. these mesh and all-in-one router/wifi devices have one thing going for them that companies like Ubiquiti don't on their consumer AP's, fast physical connections of 10gbe so you don't get bottlenecked wirelessly.
I have a question maybe you or your followers may be able to answer. I correctly have 1GB Comcast internet and use 3 MoCa adapters, one for each floor to get close to ethernets speeds in the house because I purchase a prebuilt house with no ethernet connections pre configured. I have access to Fios but the only place I have a connection is in the kitchen. If I get WiFi 7 with a 3 satellite solution for each floor can I get 1GB connection across the satellites on just WiFi. Help would be greatly appreciated.
It's the type of connection the Orbi Satellite uses to connect to the Orbi Router. Wired Backhaul = Satellite is connected via ethernet to Router Wireless Backhaul = Satellite is connected via wifi to Router
Thank you for answering some of my questions with this video. Like, i dont need a wifi 7 device to take advantage of the wifi 7 mesh/router but it would be better to have one for MLO. It also shows some decent speed for back comoatibility. My scenario is, i want to buy a tplink wifi 7 mesh to test out and make content upon but i only have wifi 6 capable phone and wifi 6e capable laptop but 6.0Ghz is not yet available in my country xD
@@landpet our country has no plans at the moment. There are only a few telecoms here and either they dont care for the moment or find it expensive to upgrade.
In my region Gb-Speed is still not available because of the lack of Fiber. So my 6 year old Orbi RBK50 System is still more then enough. The problem I have with these Netgear devices is, Netgear does not offer Firmware and Security Updates for years now. So after sales service is nothing they care about. I think this is a strategy to force customers to a very expensive hardware upgrade. And that annoys me.
It blows my mind that a Wi-Fi kit with a router plus two satellites (Orbi 970) is currently $2,252 on Amazon, and it's hard for me to believe that it's worth that much money.
New to this stuff, when you say backhaul port do you mean connecting the satellite to the router via physical cable is backhaul? Do they have to be connected physically?
Wired backhaul = satellite ethernet connected to router Wireless backhaul = satellite is wirelessly connected to router Here's a video where I show all the different connections and concepts: th-cam.com/video/QVKRQDokkhE/w-d-xo.html It's with another mesh system but the concept is similar
As I see, ORBI 860 lacks of 160MHz channel width, so it totally sucks in the speedtest and working on the same speed, as WiFi5. If it will have 4x4 at 160MHz, then he would have the same speed as 960.
Well you have tell her that nowadays there are not any smaller device anymore 😂 welcome in 2024 😉😂 and if she insist you have to tell her that the others are not compatible with your router 😉
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are you shure that mlo was enabled? because asus be98 still laging behind not enabling mlo
can share screen shoots to see how its looks when mlo enabled?
When is your TP Link land video coming out?
My next TP link land will be out next month. I have enough new deco products to make the updated version of it
I have an Orbi RBR50 and it has been a champion mesh system. I purchased it 8 years or so ago and I want to upgrade soon! I am really looking at the Orbi 970, my speed is 1 Gb with my ISP, and I know is probably not necessary to get the Orbi 970, but I think I will be upgrading my speed soon as well. All this is an investment, but in my opinion is well worth it.
Hi, I really love your videos and I am very curious if you’re also going to review the newly released Orbi 770 system. Price seems to be much more reasonable compared with the high-end Orbi 970. Would be very interesting if the performance decreases as much as the price or if you can’t really notice the difference.
Also i think i already know why phones are capped at 3Gbps.. its the wifi chip of devices.. not the router/mesh.. but the drvice being limted by their wifi chip
correct, the phone is the limiting factor at that point
I’m going to make my decision today. I have Spectrum and I’ll be plugging my mesh system into the back of their router like my current Orbi system is. I have 1 gig of download speed that I’m not getting with my current Orbi system. Which one of these 3 do you recommend? Money is not a problem. Thanks!!!
Please make a comparison with Unifi u7 Pro, i cant get higher than 2Gbe maybe you can test
With a WiFi 7 device it should be possibly on a local speed test assuming you have the necessary hardware and Ethernet cables that can handle those speeds.
If I get my hands on one, I can test but no plans as of now
@@landpet i have 8gig from isp also cat 8 ugreen cables but no luck with udm se
Problem I have with this setup is that you cannot hide your iot network. Also if you decide to activate your vpn. You can have troubles with any iot device. On the upcoming firmware update I expect them to fix this. For how much the units are going for. I’m not planning on buying another WiFi router for at least 15-20 years. If you have an apple home oh your in for a headache dealing with the 7e. I originally bought a trashcan of a 6e router for 500 so I could get the best connection between my bedroom and main unit. Gave it to my mom who had her technology suddenly stop connecting to an old tplink 6 fixed a lot of her problems..
I’m planning on purchasing this but wanted to know if I could use this overseas in Italy.
Do you know if this is dual voltage?
I don't think these are, I think they're 100-120V, it doesn't support 240V
@ thank you for your prompt response!
@@landpet I just wanted to let you know that I’m currently using the Orbi 960 overseas in Italy. The adapter states: “INPUT: 100-120V~- 50/60Hz 1.7A.”
However, I went ahead and used a “European Travel Plug Adapter” and didn’t have any issues. Now, I’ve had them for over a week and *THANK GOD* my internet is working great despite living inside an old house with concrete walls. 🙌
Big big problem as I found out with WiFi 6 orbis onwards....they've removed the 'topology' setting . There is NO way to force one satellite to connect to another rather than the router.
Tried some Orbis this past weekend thinking the backhaul would improve speeds. I could not get my orbi in the attic to connect to the satellite on the middle floor, it would connect directly to the router instead. Speeds were poor and there was nothing I could do about it.
My decos are back up and their app allows me to connect each node to one another or the router, it allows me to force devices to connect to a particular node. Disappointed with Netgear removing functionality rather than improving it.
Are you sure. I am suprised because orbi should have daisy chain topology. Did you speak to the support team?
@Usefulhacksfreeofcharge Yep, it's not their for WiFi 6 mesh Orbi's onwards. I had the orbis in AP mode at first thinking that was the problem, so then set them up in Router mode and nope, topology was missing. There's quite a bit online about it.
didn't realize that
I’m confused as to what you’re saying. You’re telling me Netgear messed up big-time and totally screwed up their future and that you’re onto them?
@@BrettL250 Eer no, what a weird reply. I'm saying that a very helpful feature which was present in their WiFi 5 systems, is not available in their WiFi 6 systems.
And that forcing a new node to connect to another node rather than the router itself, is a feature of almost all other mesh systems. Creating a chain through the house, can improve speeds especially if you have backhaul...and orbi not keeping their topology feature is a step backwards.
Would you recommend purchasing the Orbi RBK853 in 2024?
Currently, I’m using the Nest WiFi Router + 1 Point + 1 Router. I’m in Italy inside of a concrete house.
Keep in mind, Orbi power supplies sold in the US are limited to 100-120Volts. I don't know what the voltage is there. That is a good router though.
@ I appreciate your quick response and help! 🙏
For the single 10GbE ports - run the ONT into a 10GbE switch (i have an unmanaged 8 port nicgiga switch) and then connect the 10GbE WAN port of the orbi into the switch. Then connect other wired devices off the 10GbE switch such as additional mesh points across a 10GbE backhaul or of course a 10GbE capable device Ethernet port. Basic networking…
Thanks for the review but it would’ve been easier in my opinion if you capped your ISP to 1gb for all routers that way I wouldn’t have to remember faster isn’t necessarily faster because of the faster supported speeds on each of the routers. I really wanted to know which WiFi is faster over all. I guess the local tests do that but would’ve been a more standard or like to like test.
No problem! I actually upgraded my internet speed tests to show the differences at higher speeds and I do the local tests as well. If you’re at gig speeds, you have a lot of choices for a good mesh.
The new 770 came out. Do you know how is that rank compare with the 960? If most of the device support wifi 6e and fiber internet is up to 2GB.
Hi, I have IQ Fiber 5 Gig Up and Down speeds service. Connected the 970 router to it. The 970 speed test within the Orbi App is close to the 5 gig up and down. However, when standing in front of the 970 router and using a Iphone 15 Pro Max and also testing the Samsung Galaxy S23+ which both have 6E, I don't get more than 1.5 to 1.6 or so up and down speeds. Is there something to do in the Orbi 970 router settings to get more speeds or am I limited by the devices which are only 6E? Thanks for your help.
You are limited by those devices, you need a wifi 7 device like the galaxy s24 ultra or oneplus 12 to get faster speeds. 970 also provides fast wireless backhill speeds
Did you happen to test any of your 2.4 ghz devices against all 3 routers? I would be interested to see if older devices experience improved range with the more powerful radio in the 970 series.
I don't test devices outside of just checking if they work. I just check my ring cameras and smart light switches to see if there are any issues but no issues happened with any of these. I can't say if the 970 is better for something like that or not, it might be but 2.4GHz typically has pretty good range with slow speed so I don't see them having a huge difference between all three.
I live in a house. About 1400 sq ft. But it’s made of concrete. Issue I have is distribution. I pay for 1gb internet.
Which one of these would you recommend?
Orbi 970 (2 pack), concrete is not exactly signal friendly since Orbi 970 can go beyond gigabit for wireless backhaul, you may get your full speeds with this.
Any chance of you testing the new Orbi 770? Is there alot of compromise and performance loss with the “lower” price. Lower for Orbi prices lol
Yes, I have the Orbi 770. I'm aiming for next week.
Thanks Looking forward to it
Waiting for your ASUS BE 98 pro vid hehehe😊
Coming soon!
@landpet if I have
Wifi 7 has amazing wireless backhaul speeds but if you have a really good wifi 6 or 6e system with solid wireless backhaul speeds, then it wouldn't be much different for those speeds. Bottom line is it depends which router or mesh it's being compared against.
@@landpet Thank you! I went with Orbi 970 Series for my 1 gig fiber. Your videos were super helpful.
@@Spuranik81 Nice!
What do you think of the new orbi 770? Worth it over the 960 at the $999.99 price point?
I'm still testing the 770, they each have their advantages. 770 is capped to 2.5Gbps speeds just as a heads up but supports wifi 7.
@@landpet I placed an order for the 770 a couple nights ago. Only have gigabit internet so 2.5gbps will be plenty for any future upgrades that I may need or actually use. Thank you for the response!
Would getting an 860 with 4 satellites be better than a 970 with 2 satellites?
I have a very LONG church building and just trying to figure out which is the best solution for us
The satellites will start to lose speed after a while. Will you be doing wired or wireless backhaul?
For wired, I would definitely go with 860. For wireless, the 970 offers even better speeds. It’s a tough choice, placement and size of the place also make a difference. If it’s a large open space, one alone will cover a fairly large area.
It’s hard to say without knowing more about the building but as a general statement the 860s will have more overall coverage since there are more of them.
@@landpet Thanks for that info. Amazon was having a sale for the 860 with 4 satellites. I bought an extra one just in case. The church was built in 1905, there is thick brick, a new underfloor heating system, water based) and plaster everywhere. The length of the building is around 200 ft long over two floors.
I have the Main Router in the middle of the upper floor. I'll have one satellite wired to one end of the user floor. The rest will be placed throughout the building. One main reason I need coverage everywhere is I need video doorbells on both ends. There are two entrances and sometimes deliveries only go to one door etc. Im hoping to get the rest covered wireless. in total the 86 with 5 satellites was 1500 dollars. I would love the 970 but with just 3 satellites would run about 2800 dollars. just not in the budget
If you have an email I can send over my floor plan (im UK based). Ill take any help I can get
a fast wireless system would be useful not just for folks who have more than a 1gig connection. you might want fast wifi if you have a nas and want to connect to it wirelessly via mobile, television, pc at the fastest possible speeds when you're in your home...the 3gbps you were showing. of course, the nas would need a 2.5 or 10gbe connection to achieve that speed, but the use case is there. these mesh and all-in-one router/wifi devices have one thing going for them that companies like Ubiquiti don't on their consumer AP's, fast physical connections of 10gbe so you don't get bottlenecked wirelessly.
I have a question maybe you or your followers may be able to answer. I correctly have 1GB Comcast internet and use 3 MoCa adapters, one for each floor to get close to ethernets speeds in the house because I purchase a prebuilt house with no ethernet connections pre configured. I have access to Fios but the only place I have a connection is in the kitchen. If I get WiFi 7 with a 3 satellite solution for each floor can I get 1GB connection across the satellites on just WiFi. Help would be greatly appreciated.
What does backhaul mean?
It's the type of connection the Orbi Satellite uses to connect to the Orbi Router.
Wired Backhaul = Satellite is connected via ethernet to Router
Wireless Backhaul = Satellite is connected via wifi to Router
Thank you for answering some of my questions with this video.
Like, i dont need a wifi 7 device to take advantage of the wifi 7 mesh/router but it would be better to have one for MLO. It also shows some decent speed for back comoatibility.
My scenario is, i want to buy a tplink wifi 7 mesh to test out and make content upon but i only have wifi 6 capable phone and wifi 6e capable laptop but 6.0Ghz is not yet available in my country xD
No problem. Yeah MLO is great but the 6GHz definitely speeds things up so whenever it's available in your country would be great
@@landpet our country has no plans at the moment. There are only a few telecoms here and either they dont care for the moment or find it expensive to upgrade.
@@4givenoxygenbarez i see
Are you planning a review of the new Orbi 770?
Yes
I think WiFi 7 is fine for gigabit connections, I bought the BE65 (63) in the US, and it's perfect for gigabit.
For sure
In my region Gb-Speed is still not available because of the lack of Fiber. So my 6 year old Orbi RBK50 System is still more then enough. The problem I have with these Netgear devices is, Netgear does not offer Firmware and Security Updates for years now. So after sales service is nothing they care about. I think this is a strategy to force customers to a very expensive hardware upgrade. And that annoys me.
I can see that being annoying
5gb now, dam, what service do you have?? Currently have the RBKE962 setup, love it!!
I have Frontier Fiber.
The RBKE is amazing for up to 2.5Gbps speeds.
It blows my mind that a Wi-Fi kit with a router plus two satellites (Orbi 970) is currently $2,252 on Amazon, and it's hard for me to believe that it's worth that much money.
It’s expensive but it’s a great mesh. Just depends if you need something this powerful.
New to this stuff, when you say backhaul port do you mean connecting the satellite to the router via physical cable is backhaul? Do they have to be connected physically?
Wired backhaul = satellite ethernet connected to router
Wireless backhaul = satellite is wirelessly connected to router
Here's a video where I show all the different connections and concepts: th-cam.com/video/QVKRQDokkhE/w-d-xo.html
It's with another mesh system but the concept is similar
As I see, ORBI 860 lacks of 160MHz channel width, so it totally sucks in the speedtest and working on the same speed, as WiFi5. If it will have 4x4 at 160MHz, then he would have the same speed as 960.
more huge-i than anything!
They’re big
No way would my wife let me have those football sized devices
Well you have tell her that nowadays there are not any smaller device anymore 😂 welcome in 2024 😉😂 and if she insist you have to tell her that the others are not compatible with your router 😉
lol
Well, I guess then a deer mount in the house is way out of the question. You might have to trade her in bro.