I thought this was a really thoughtful reconsideration-especially given the context.I haven't seen the show, but I did hear about some of the scary stuff that was going on set when it was publicized-I think it is really cool that these actors now have a podcast.
Yeah, I really appreciate that the women were like we're gonna claim it as our show and discuss what we love and explain all the ways in which it perpetuted sexism and made us feel uncomfortable in scenes (and all the gross sexual violation/harassment behind the scenes). It isn't as often we really get to see actors frankly talk about those dynamics and I love that so much went into pitting them against each other on screen as characters and off screen as colleagues that they now twenty years later get to reclaim that and stand together. And thank you, I didn't exactly know what I wanted to say when I turned on the camera but I knew I had a lot of thoughts tumbling around and I'm glad it turned out cohesive.
so well-said, Kier! I never watched this one but yikes, I think I'm not missing much. I think the way you talk about the insidious girl-hate is so thoughtful - when I read Bloomsbury Girls by Natalie Jenner I LOVED that there was no girl-on-girl hate at any point. There were women who got along better with some than others, but at no time was there an evil mean girl who had to be overcome. It made me realize how incredibly rare that absence is in media, and how different that is from real life as you point out
I really hope to read Bloomsbury Girls soon. It sounds incredible!! Insidious is such a great word for it as it is presented as so ever-present in media and books and perpeted that it seeps into our understanding even though reality shows that it is not how most girls/women interact. . .and it's even grosser than it's often written by men. And I know it happens by women as well but I know how much I wrote toxic scenes when I was young because those were the interactions I had seen modelled in fiction not because I'd seen them in real life. Thanks always for your comments
I watched the show when I was a teenager I was shocked to learn that the creator of the show was a total creep it made sense why Hillary left the show halfway in the show I have listened to the podcast
Yeah it definitely makes sense and I loved in the podcast when she thanks Moira Kelly for telling her it was okay to walk away. And knowing she didn't have to remain in a harmful situation but can later reclaim it
I thought this was a really thoughtful reconsideration-especially given the context.I haven't seen the show, but I did hear about some of the scary stuff that was going on set when it was publicized-I think it is really cool that these actors now have a podcast.
Yeah, I really appreciate that the women were like we're gonna claim it as our show and discuss what we love and explain all the ways in which it perpetuted sexism and made us feel uncomfortable in scenes (and all the gross sexual violation/harassment behind the scenes). It isn't as often we really get to see actors frankly talk about those dynamics and I love that so much went into pitting them against each other on screen as characters and off screen as colleagues that they now twenty years later get to reclaim that and stand together.
And thank you, I didn't exactly know what I wanted to say when I turned on the camera but I knew I had a lot of thoughts tumbling around and I'm glad it turned out cohesive.
so well-said, Kier! I never watched this one but yikes, I think I'm not missing much. I think the way you talk about the insidious girl-hate is so thoughtful - when I read Bloomsbury Girls by Natalie Jenner I LOVED that there was no girl-on-girl hate at any point. There were women who got along better with some than others, but at no time was there an evil mean girl who had to be overcome. It made me realize how incredibly rare that absence is in media, and how different that is from real life as you point out
I really hope to read Bloomsbury Girls soon. It sounds incredible!! Insidious is such a great word for it as it is presented as so ever-present in media and books and perpeted that it seeps into our understanding even though reality shows that it is not how most girls/women interact. . .and it's even grosser than it's often written by men. And I know it happens by women as well but I know how much I wrote toxic scenes when I was young because those were the interactions I had seen modelled in fiction not because I'd seen them in real life.
Thanks always for your comments
Very interesting video 😊 I never watched the show but I watched pll and looking back at it now I can see the problems.
Yeah, it's hard and interesting to look back at our favourite shows
Mark always loved putting Hillary character peyton through the ringer
Yep, soooo much!!
I watched the show when I was a teenager I was shocked to learn that the creator of the show was a total creep it made sense why Hillary left the show halfway in the show I have listened to the podcast
Yeah it definitely makes sense and I loved in the podcast when she thanks Moira Kelly for telling her it was okay to walk away. And knowing she didn't have to remain in a harmful situation but can later reclaim it
Yeah pretty little liars original show had major problems and so does the reboot
I almost watched the reboot for the nostalgia but I don't think I want to
@@KierTheScrivener smart choice because the showrunner for the reboot is also showrunner for riverdale