How many AI ISDs can an AI MC80 Star Cruiser survive? EaW Remake AI Space Battle
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Shows how badly this mod is "balanced" that an MC80 can take 2 ISDs, cant really take it seriously.
I belive the isd2 can take two of those idk for sure tho
Isds aren't the only underpowered and overpriced ships in this mod, I've made many changes to my mod files to rebalance the mod but it's a complete mess.
thank you for allowing fighters ect battles felt empty without them
Thare is no way for just one MC80 to beat even one ISD II.
ISD 2 are basicaly ISD on steroids, they are bigger,have much better armor, even more powerful and in bigger number guns.
Same with the Providence.
keep in mind 2 things: it's an AI vs AI battle and the fact that in the game/mods there is a certain level of balance between the factions, which makes some ships stronger or weaker than what you see in movies/series
BS and I will tell you why. The ISD 1 would actually be a better matchup against an MC80 because of the difference in armament: The ISD 2 only has 20 "heavy ion cannons" whereas, the ISD 1 has 60 ion cannons and 2 heavy ion cannon turrets.
Turbolasers are good against armor, and they can only get through shields if they overwhelm them with firepower. Ion cannons disable shields. So if you have a ship with some of the best and most advanced shields in the galaxy, they are going to body any ship that doesn't have good ion cannon armament.
Everything that the rebels do is effective against the weaknesses of the Empire.
bigger doesn't always mean better. and the Empire learned that the hard way throughout their war with the rebels. Everything big they have, the rebels countered it with something smaller. The Empire or at least whoever was incharge of the doctrine thinking space engagements would be brutal ship to ship combat, failed to see the importance of smaller, more rapid firing guns. One of the reasons why the rebels would 80% overrun Imperial vessels on almost every engagement. Death by a thousand cuts, as they say. ISD2's had the firepower of larger guns, but in turn sacrificing those of smaller armaments
@@_spooT Yes but in this case the rebels have to actually, you know, avoid confrontations like this. ISD IIs are exceptionally dangerous ships, with immense armor and firepower unmatched by anything except, say, Home One. The extra overlapping shields on the MC80s are nice and all but they aren't enough to deal with how utterly outmatched they are in basically everything but maneuverability.
Even Victory I ISDs should be avoided, because while an MC80 could absolutely destroy a VI ISD in a 1v1, it'll take massive damage in the process. The Empire has nigh infinite resources, the rebellion does not.
Ultimately the mod isn't very well balanced, and puts too much emphasis on capital spam, rather than making capitals what they are (Scary).
Wasnt it expitily stated in the movies that the mc 80( mon cal cruiser) cant fight one on one on with star destroyer
Head on without starfighters, but I’m guessing he still aloud starfighters and bombers
keep in mind 2 things: it's an AI vs AI battle and the fact that in the game/mods there is a certain level of balance between the factions, which makes some ships stronger or weaker than what you see in movies/series
Try it with Thrawn's Revenge
@@d-man9921That would go very, very differently, suffice to say. Liberty's are nowhere close to an ISD's league in TR, and rightfully so.
@@papapalps2415liberties and venators suck in thrawns revenge
The ISD-1 model is really not correct. The author of the ISD-2 model simply attached an antenna from ISD-1 and changed the turbolasers. The nozzles, decks, and tower are left over from ISD-2. Moreover, the model ISD-2 also has an error for some reason. For some reason, three turbolasers are installed on the flight control bridge as on the ISD-1. Yes, of course Chimeras existed in the Imperial Navy, but these ships have specific names in the game
A superb battle! The MC80 is a beast. It would be nice to see how the Home One could fare against the same.
I noticed by several battles now that the ISD2 has a bit of a longer range with it's massive turbolasers.
It makes no sense that the ISD opened up first, and for the entire duration, but the Mon cal cruisers shields held......just wont happen captain....
it is what it is, AI battles are not always logical
@@cinematicnpc and that in its own sense is total irony bc you would think a A.I. would be nothing but coldly logical.....guess it comes down to how the designers coded it or whatever to react in certain situations.
AI in games is limited by the boundaries drawn by the creators. It is not a learning machine that can develop its own directions, movements, strategies, etc. So yeah, it might seem weird to say that AI doesn't make logical decisions, but that's the reality of AI in games
Well no, that’s entirely possible, mon cal ships were designed to have the strongest shields in the galaxy, so they exchange damage for survivability…ISD’s would still win in a 1v1 but it would be tough
Aren’t ISD’s largely built/arranged for broadside manouvers and moncals more head to head?
Lul what?
Hay que recordar que las armas principales del ISD estan paralelas al eje longitudinal y no a las trincheras, con el diseño asi dispararian las 8 torretas y no las 2 que tienen el blanco libre
MC90 was bulid to battle against ISD II, MC80 and MC80B Manta could beat ISD II but only if thare whare at least two of them, and they have support from Y wings.
Next one should be ,How many ISD, MC90 can destroy.
This mod doesn't have MC90s if I remember correctly.
doesn't have
First battle
Sad the camera did not focus on the Star Cruiser exploding.
Okay so personally I believe due to various factors a fight between an ISD-1 and a MC-80 liberty type could go either way though the ISD is going to have the edge.
But TWO??? No way?
And not a chance if it’s ISD-II’s, people shit on the ISD-II for lack of point defense systems, but that don’t matter shit if your ship is blown out of the sky before it can even launch it’s fighters, and even if it does, Tie-Pilots are crazy skilled and there is sure as hell gonna be a lot more of them then there are of you.
It's just an NPC battle, it doesn't reflect anything accurate, but the capabilities of the game and the mods
@@cinematicnpc I’m not blaming you for anything, I just think the modders need to seriously reconsider how they balance the mod.
Why were there Lambda class shuttles...
because it exists among the fighters of the ISD (yes, I know it's a transport ship, but it's there and that's it)
Seems like someone messed up some stats
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@@cinematicnpcthe mod maker made the mc80 way to powerfull
indeed
MC80 use IMBA ENERGY every day)
Like 19
Star Wars movies and other sci fi movies and TV shows like Battlestar Galactica are giving a very wrong idea of how battles in space would be. A Tie fighter and an X-Wing are shown doing crazy maneuvers all around the big capital ships that are sitting right there barely moving. Those ideas are mostly based on real life battles on Earth where carriers and destroyers that are floating on water are moving slowly while jet fighters are flying in all directions very fast. None of that applies in space, because size is irrelevant in space. A Star Destroyer in space should be able to move around and maneuver just like a Tie Fighter. If this was real, those big ships would not be fighting like in this video. instead, they would be traveling very fast, and computers, most likely AIs would be doing most of the work as in a split second they would need to determine the speed and direction of the enemy ship as well as calculate all the possible speed and direction changes it would do once it is fired upon. You have to use relativity on all the calculations. assuming no new invention is capable of detecting faster than light, ships would have to use radars and visuals, all traveling at the speed of light to detect the position of the enemy ship, then fire. If using weapons like lasers, they are undetectable, so chances are you will hit the target as long it remains in the same trajectory. If using missiles, they must be smart missiles with an internal AI that can do calculations on the go to not just track the enemy but also predict the possible evasion maneuvers. Most likely, the ships will eventually pass close to each other but at incredible speeds. That is your chance to use different weapons like railguns loaded with high density bullets or even relativistic kinetic darts. They must be fired also by the AIs as they have milliseconds to do so.
Sounds complicated? It is. No human can do such things because most of the calculations, as I said, must be done in milliseconds and using relativity to predict thousands of possibilities, which will change every millisecond as well.
Most of these things are not really material for action movies as you would barely see action on the screen, it would be more action in the bridge of each ship, but not much space battle. Such battles could be done in just a few seconds if you are lucky to hit the enemy directly on weak points like the reactors and weapons containers which most likely will blow up the entire ship.
There is one series that explain in details how space battles would really be which is the Expeditionary Force books and audiobooks by Craig Alanson. The audiobooks are extremely good (narrated by R.C. Bray). The series has over a dozen books and is a mix of sci fi with action, love, suspense and comedy. if you are into sci fi, I suggest you look for the audiobooks, you will change your mentality about most space combat movies while laughing with the good jokes and the main two characters, which are a human (military) and the best of all, an a-hole AI.
Cheers
Idk just hyperspace away, easy
yes for sure, if there were in this case
Не совсем честно. Все же Имперский разрушитель, это еще авианесущий корабль. По идее ТИЕ истребители и бомбардировщики должны были вступить в бой с MC80, а не с Х вингами, которых быть не должно.
на самом деле это линейный крейсер, способный нести ограниченное количество меньших ЛА. Но в любом случае я уверен, что огромная империя с мощнейшими производственными возможностями и ресурсами строит специализированный для сражения с другими кораблями капитального класса, линейный крейсер, рассчитанный на тотальное превосходство над любым потенциальным противником, и эти корабли в принципе должны быть мощнее корабля, который построили на верфях черти-знает где из круизного лайнера и мусора. То, что крейсер мон-каламари вот так в одну харю разносит ИЗР это абсурд, противоречащий логике. В современной истории есть прецедент переоборудования гражданских кораблей в вооруженные военные корабли. Это очень плохо кончилось для них - ничего толком настоящим военным кораблям они противопоставить не смогли.
This is wrong. The MC80 isn’t even strong enough to take out an ISD-I.
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Is is impossible to make space battles SW vs 40k here? :(
it will be possible only when there will be a mod that contains ships from both universes
Ok people please do remember that both the ISD 1 and 2 have major design flaws that one on one every Mon Cal cruiser from 75 up could very easily exploit and win against. When there is more than one ISD 1 a MC-75 would be in trouble same goes for a 80. An ISD 2 one on one has a chance but again there are less flaws with Mon Cal designs than with Imperial ship of the line designs for that reason I will always take Republic ships over Imperial ships.
You talking about that T shaped Tower
Yes.?
In every cannon source mc80s and the 75s get trashed by isd firepower bar none, T shaped Bridge or not, rogue one shows this with just the opening volleys cracking the profundity open, mc80s cannot 1v1 brawl an isd.
@@NeocadeX I dont know where you are getting your sources.1: the MC75 already was barely holding on to its shield after tanking the damage from 2 ISD-Is ,when vaders ISD-I arrived all it had to do was fire a full volley at the already weakend mc75 and disable it.2: Mc80s have redundent sheilds in both canon and legends meaning in a 1v1 the mc80 would keep reacharing its backup shield capacitors while the main shield is absorbing damage,when the main shield is down the backup capacitors would be online while the main shield recharges and vice versa.MC80s served as battle carriers ,they could take out anything short of an ISD and could 1v1 and win against an ISD but the problem is the imperials always had a second and then a third and fourth ISD. In legends the rebels has 1750 mc80s according to the essential guide to warfare while the empire has 25,000 ISDS ,do the math and you'll understand why the rebels never waged open war against the empire.
You pay way to much attention to a mod for empire at war with trash balancing, both in canon and in legends sources MC8s could not go toe to toe with an isd much less 2, it wasnt until the MC80b that the standard Moncal ship design could have a balanced gun fight with an isd, even then they always relied on fighters and no moncal cruiser ever roamed on its own as you suggest, they always had backup in the form of cr90s and you numbers of cruiser is complete BS, its nowhere in the book, besides even if it was 1750, thats not a guarantee that its all MC80 liberty types or home ones, in could very well be a vast majority MC30-40s with a scattering of larger cruisers, as I said, you give way to much weight to this mod that vastly over generous to moncal shield tech, if the rebels saw and isd, they usually ran.@@Luthen_Rael
@@Luthen_Rael I defy you to actually post the sources for your numbers of MC line cruisers, I doubt you really got that from the EGTW book.
いやおかしいだろ、スター・デストロイヤーがモンカラマリクルーザーに正面から敗れるなんて。
モンカラマリのクルーザーのシールドがあんなに頑強なわけないでしょ。砲撃能力はスター・デストロイヤーが圧倒的上なのに。
スター・デストロイヤー二隻で集中砲火してもすぐに撃沈しないのもおかしい。
Fire, sound and Smoke in space?
is just a game, not reality