. Congratulations on the work, your site is one of the best on the subject. I signed up because of the video explaining about "What's a Tanto? ". A game changer... Now this slide comparison, precisely the topic I'm researching. I currently carry a Warncliffe. I still haven't found any comparison with the other Blades profiles (Drop, dager, etc). Guide me, please (links) on self defense with blades. Thank you very much I am from Brazil
Small curved blades are preferred for skinning game. Janich's concept is to cut through major muscle groups as efficiently as possible to stop the attack. Persian knives held in reverse grip are great at penetrating, since the curve follows the arc of motion.
Oh man, the sultan is my favorite of the bunch for looks, so nice. Thanks for showing them, more evidence we need all the things in our lives. Happy Holiday season buddy.
Is there a difference between a trailing point and a Persian? Is a Persian just a more extreme trailing point? Guess I'll be carrying my Yojumbo today lol. Thanks Dave!
Interesting. The original Persian sword was designed to be deployed from horseback at speed. The blade shape prevents binding in the target. The Warncliffe shape provides much more power and initial damage but it can bind in the target.
Yes, also a vast difference in the way swords and knives perform as well as cuts with point versus cuts with edge, if that makes sense.... thanks for watching and your insights. 👍🗡️👍
Beautiful presentation. I myself prefer wharncliffes. I carry a Tuya lille ULF for SD. I like it a lot. I think folks need to differentiate between self defense and a knife fight. Your attacker isn't there for a dual. It will be right on top of you and you will not have the time or the space to deploy your favorite cold steel.
I personally carry a SOCP dagger in my front pocket daily. Large to medium size folder in my back pocket. And something like a Leek or Strelit on my left hip.
fascinating discussion. i've also heard janich's explanation for the wharncliffe (originally designed by Lord Wharncliffe as a whittler), then why do you think not only the persians but cavalry the world over had trailing point style curve? i always assumed it was better for hacking off heads and limbs because firstly, a longer overall sharpened edge, plus, by starting in the belly then gradually introducing the rest of the edge whilst on the move slowly cuts deeper, making it slicier even if snagged
Regarding the trailing point I feel it serves a better combat function in a sword length blade and doesn't fare too well in a knife size blade but that's just my take...
excellent comparison! Trailing points do have one advantage in "defense/aggressive use", in reverse grip the curved spine is good for hooking or capturing. The Wharnecliff is a much more versatile blade shape overall.
Good point which I failed to mention! Trailing points can function well in point down although most don't have an edge in in that position to cut with.... 👊🗡️👍
Great review. I think the Ronin is not available (or at least I could not find it), but a nice, budget fixed blade wharnie is the Damned Designs fixed blade Fenrir in 14c28n for 75$ available at White Mountain Knives (just ordered one). I hope you can review that knife as it seems like a good alternative to the Ronin.
I like the trailing point better for SNAP cuts and hooking thrust. I like the Southeast Asian parang tip for slashing with the tip and straight thrust. but they are all sharp, reliable and have good grips after that it's really up to the fighter not the knife.
Sure, we all know that box cutters are inexpensive, but the Wharnecliff is historically old, yet modified somewhat in the modern era. Other classic knives like the Bowie seem to garner more respect. A larger "box cutter" with good steel can serve many purposes. 👍🗡️👊
I don't think your cutting tests accurately represent how a defensive knife would be used. The paper test is particularly unfair, because with the straight blade, you are applying force against your hand holding the paper. However, with the curved blade, the force is against the flat sheet of paper with zero resistance. Cutting the 90 degree edge of the black foam is also a poor representation because human body does not have any right angles like that. I believe the real advantage of the box cutter blade style is its superior stabbing and tearing ability. So in a self defense one would stab and then tear with that style of knife. The curved knife would provide a better cut during fast slashes. Obviously these slashes will not be as damaging as the "stab and tear" action of the straight edge, however, unless you are already fighting in a clinch (wrestling/grappling), a fast slash is much easier to deliver than the stab and tear. So I think it depends on the individual style of fighting and/or the type of situations you believe you are most likely to encounter. One type of blade is not necessarily superior, as you are making it sound. Honestly, I think the best type of knife for self defense is a double edge dagger, that has a slight curve/taper towards the tip on each side. It will allow you to do both, stabbing and slashing very effectively. The big down side to the dagger is that you can't carry it in many jurisdictions.
Thanks for your comments, and I'll agree that paper is by far not inaccurate test and using other materials might vary the results. As we know the point is not about cutting paper or cardboard! Still, I know that both a curved blade and a Wharnecliff style are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of blade profile. My opinions come from over 40 years of using all styles of knives to cut various materials and fortunately not too many encounters where I needed to test them against living flesh but certainly a few against pork roasts, etc.... 😁🗡️👊
. Congratulations on the work, your site is one of the best on the subject. I signed up because of the video explaining about "What's a Tanto? ". A game changer... Now this slide comparison, precisely the topic I'm researching. I currently carry a Warncliffe. I still haven't found any comparison with the other Blades profiles (Drop, dager, etc). Guide me, please (links) on self defense with blades. Thank you very much I am from Brazil
Thanks so very much for visiting and enjoying! 👍🔥🗡️
Small curved blades are preferred for skinning game. Janich's concept is to cut through major muscle groups as efficiently as possible to stop the attack.
Persian knives held in reverse grip are great at penetrating, since the curve follows the arc of motion.
Agreed in good point!
I totally agree you saved me a lot of typing thanks.
Thank you for the video. I have always like the sheepsfoot/wharncliff style blades and have a couple of them.
Oh man, the sultan is my favorite of the bunch for looks, so nice.
Thanks for showing them, more evidence we need all the things in our lives.
Happy Holiday season buddy.
Thanks man! 👍🗡️👊
Great video. You gave a straight and to the point lesson on these knives.
Many thanks for watching! 👊🗡️👍
Great comparisons and demos. I love em both for looks and practical applications.
Excellent demonstration!
Glad it was helpful!
I have been researching just this subject. I am waiting on a Ka-bar Wharcliffe folder to do some more research.
Great video!!! I am been waiting for this comparison.
You're making me want to carry my Yojimbo 2. However I'm having a hard time putting down this Byond EDC/Pinkerton Nighthorse. 👍
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A slight trailing point is great for some jobs but tend to be much more fragile
Thank you very much! This was exactly the explanation I was looking for.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm a sucker for trailing points. Those curves on those Persian-like blades. I just love it.
Same here! Eye candy! 👊🗡️👍
You know your stuff brother quality content 👍
I appreciate that! 🗡️👍🗡️
Is there a difference between a trailing point and a Persian? Is a Persian just a more extreme trailing point? Guess I'll be carrying my Yojumbo today lol. Thanks Dave!
My take is that the Persian is a type of trailing point and that trailing point is the broader category... 🗡️🔥👊
Interesting. The original Persian sword was designed to be deployed from horseback at speed. The blade shape prevents binding in the target. The Warncliffe shape provides much more power and initial damage but it can bind in the target.
Yes, also a vast difference in the way swords and knives perform as well as cuts with point versus cuts with edge, if that makes sense.... thanks for watching and your insights. 👍🗡️👍
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Beautiful presentation. I myself prefer wharncliffes. I carry a Tuya lille ULF for SD. I like it a lot.
I think folks need to differentiate between self defense and a knife fight. Your attacker isn't there for a dual. It will be right on top of you and you will not have the time or the space to deploy your favorite cold steel.
Precisely! Last ditch defense vs. movie duel 👍🗡️👊
I love fix blades but really what are we walking around with all day.
I personally carry a SOCP dagger in my front pocket daily. Large to medium size folder in my back pocket. And something like a Leek or Strelit on my left hip.
Brilliant video sir..🌿
Love from Pakistan.
Thanks for watching! 👍🗡️👍
Now that's a beautiful thumbnail!
Glad you like! 👊🗡️👍
fascinating discussion. i've also heard janich's explanation for the wharncliffe (originally designed by Lord Wharncliffe as a whittler), then why do you think not only the persians but cavalry the world over had trailing point style curve? i always assumed it was better for hacking off heads and limbs because firstly, a longer overall sharpened edge, plus, by starting in the belly then gradually introducing the rest of the edge whilst on the move slowly cuts deeper, making it slicier even if snagged
Regarding the trailing point I feel it serves a better combat function in a sword length blade and doesn't fare too well in a knife size blade but that's just my take...
@@OGBladeReviews agreed, except for skinning. which is what trailing point in knives is made for, no?
excellent comparison! Trailing points do have one advantage in "defense/aggressive use", in reverse grip the curved spine is good for hooking or capturing. The Wharnecliff is a much more versatile blade shape overall.
Good point which I failed to mention! Trailing points can function well in point down although most don't have an edge in in that position to cut with.... 👊🗡️👍
then consider the karambit, shaped after nature and a talon/claw.
Yes have many karambits and pikal talon knives, but that's not what this vid was about.... 🗡️👍
Great review. I think the Ronin is not available (or at least I could not find it), but a nice, budget fixed blade wharnie is the Damned Designs fixed blade Fenrir in 14c28n for 75$ available at White Mountain Knives (just ordered one). I hope you can review that knife as it seems like a good alternative to the Ronin.
Great minds think alike! Just got my Fenrir fixed blade in today! Should have the review up within the week. 😁🗡️👍
@@OGBladeReviews Really looking forward to that review!
What's the name of that knife under the Spyderco looks like it's the only one of the three that isn't Spyderco?
I believe I mentioned it in the vid, but if not it's the WE Roxi 4, no longer in production...
I like the trailing point better for SNAP cuts and hooking thrust. I like the Southeast Asian parang tip for slashing with the tip and straight thrust. but they are all sharp, reliable and have good grips after that it's really up to the fighter not the knife.
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And by that I mean Michael janich could defeat me with his favorite butter knife!😧
I love them both.
What are your thoughts when comparing wharncliffe with western tanto?
Same blade with the edge on different sides... That's all! 😁🗡️👍
Why be choosey, I'll take them ALL, I already have the Yojumbo and a KUBEY Persian fixed blade which BOTH are amazing.
What is your favorite edc defensive fixed Wharncliffe blade?
Could be the new Damned Designs fixed blade Fenrir coming in soon. I'll be posting my thoughts on it soon....
@@OGBladeReviews that sounds awesome!
Get the best of both with the Petrified Fish 939
That's a great design, for sure! 👊🗡️👍
The thing about blades like that the Warren Cliff they remind me of box cutters in this case over priced by leading knife manufacturers
Sure, we all know that box cutters are inexpensive, but the Wharnecliff is historically old, yet modified somewhat in the modern era. Other classic knives like the Bowie seem to garner more respect. A larger "box cutter" with good steel can serve many purposes. 👍🗡️👊
I don't think your cutting tests accurately represent how a defensive knife would be used. The paper test is particularly unfair, because with the straight blade, you are applying force against your hand holding the paper. However, with the curved blade, the force is against the flat sheet of paper with zero resistance. Cutting the 90 degree edge of the black foam is also a poor representation because human body does not have any right angles like that. I believe the real advantage of the box cutter blade style is its superior stabbing and tearing ability. So in a self defense one would stab and then tear with that style of knife. The curved knife would provide a better cut during fast slashes. Obviously these slashes will not be as damaging as the "stab and tear" action of the straight edge, however, unless you are already fighting in a clinch (wrestling/grappling), a fast slash is much easier to deliver than the stab and tear. So I think it depends on the individual style of fighting and/or the type of situations you believe you are most likely to encounter. One type of blade is not necessarily superior, as you are making it sound. Honestly, I think the best type of knife for self defense is a double edge dagger, that has a slight curve/taper towards the tip on each side. It will allow you to do both, stabbing and slashing very effectively. The big down side to the dagger is that you can't carry it in many jurisdictions.
Thanks for your comments, and I'll agree that paper is by far not inaccurate test and using other materials might vary the results. As we know the point is not about cutting paper or cardboard! Still, I know that both a curved blade and a Wharnecliff style are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of blade profile. My opinions come from over 40 years of using all styles of knives to cut various materials and fortunately not too many encounters where I needed to test them against living flesh but certainly a few against pork roasts, etc.... 😁🗡️👊
The wharncliff is probably more useful but the trailing point looks so cool
Great observation! 😁🗡️👍
I'd feel safer with my Ryu.
That one's great, too! 👍🗡️👊