Secularism is a Colonial, Orientalist, Western Project?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- Islamic fundamentalists often assert that secularism is a colonial, orientalist, Western project. They sometimes use post-colonial scholars to argue the case against secularism. In this video Dr. Taimur Rahman shows that these arguments are based on completely incorrect premises.
*English TH-cam: / taimurrahman1975
*Instagram: / taimur_laal
*Twitter: / taimur_laal
Excellent analysis dear sir. Keep inspiring us and keep teaching us. Mau God bless you
Very well crafted and informative lecture. I wish I had taken a course with you while I was at LUMS.
A superb discourse! Lively and interesting!❤
I only say , it’s mesmerising. You are a gem.
Hitting shot pe shot. Waah. Maza agaya
Excellent lecture. Thanks Dr. TR sir.🙏
Excellent Sir.
Jazakallah!
Love from swat 💚💚💖💖
Wah! Kya umda taqreer hai!
I must say, the discourse on this channel is most interesting. It gives me a lot to think about. The time and effort you put into your videos is much appreciated. So, thank you for making these videos.
That said, I do have a question.
I'm a little confused by your criticism of Post-Modernist/Post-Colonialists. On one hand, you criticize them for questioning Western hegemony in terms of epistemology and ontology. Yet, later, you criticize the West for dismissing or ignoring native traditions of scientific rationalism. Aren't the Post-Colonialists saying the same thing? Don't they also argue that "true decolonization involves rejecting the imposition of Western priorities and epistemologies, allowing former colonies to define their own agendas based on their historical, cultural, and material realities"?
Don't you hold the same position? I mean, I have never heard a Post-Colonialist make the argument that people in former colonies have to reject everything and anything that can be traced back to the West, like Secularism. I may have misunderstood your position so a bit of clarification on this point would be much appreciated. Thanks.
The argument that scientifically rationality is a cultural product specifically of the West is premised on the view that the East is non-rational. This binary is itself self-contradictory for the post colonialism.
Fantastic explanation.
Very nice analysis
Love you 💕 sir thank you 💕 great work ❤
While I respect your approach and share your distaste for postmodern academic writing styles, I would appreciate if you can critique these individual scholars properly. It's because this video, and your approach as a whole, felt quite inadequate to me when I set it against the work of the thinkers that you mentioned. They approach this question through so many angles and on so many levels that your critique feels insufficient and unfair. For instance, while your description of the rise of secularism as a class struggle is quite a great explanation, the philosophical aspects of secularism that someone like Naquib Al Attas or Wael Hallaq would bring forth is equally compelling. So while I may appreciate your analysis as widening my horizon regarding the phenomenon of secularism as a historical product, I can't help but keep it only on an equal and parallel epistemic footing as all the other thinkers that you have so briefly discussed in the video.
Sure. You should also follow my English Channel. More context there as well.
Great sir
Calling out secularism as western thing is not okay, and also if we look at historical context south asia always had its own version of secularism (where all religion can exist together) historians like Romila Thapar's analysis in ancient India, the existence of buddhism, jainism, brahminical religions and all of this suggest us larger idea of our own version of secularism even during medieval period we have Akbar and many other rulers who engage with This concept of secularism. I cant consider it as western cause south asia has its own. Even im agree with the Critique of dr. Tarik regarding Postcolonial discourses. Like studying in Delhi University Where we engage with These text and many academics gave you look Because you cant read Spivak, or partha Chatterjee this also reinforce the colonial idea of subjugation lol 💀
Lol . Now Akbar have become secular person . Like wow😅
@RahimTariq-nd4qk you are not getting the version of secularism which I discussed. Like Akbar's promoted hindu religion as well he gave equal respect to other religions as well. Here I dont get the ppl why we need to follow western ideas always, as Gandhi and Azad and many other pointed out south asia had past which was of tolerance and our secukarism is abt inclusion not separating state and religion. In South asia its utopia man !!
@@fagajaypalrambhai3937Akbar supported few Temples but destroyed in 1000s,
Akbar destroyed
Hindu Books,
Hindu society,
Hindu Ideologies,
Hindu Thoughts,
Hindu Thinkers,
Hindu Tradition evolved over 6000 years
Ramila Thapur is west inclined and against the Indigenous intellect, Indigenous thoughts ....
She works, propagate and talk on the behest of her masters in West
@@fagajaypalrambhai3937 brother . dont give me that half baked information about akbar if you dont know him
Unfolding the fact.
Thanks
Sir,Pakistani intellectuals are the most confused intellectuals across the globe.
Each day, they come up with new
models,hypotheses,and theories which makes the Pakistani situation more and more confusing.
I think you are confusing bloggers with intellectuals. Pakistanis don't come up with anything new as a matter of faith :) and there are certainly no intellectuals in Pakistan.
A very very comprehensive study based on facts and truth.What analysed about the behaviour of West in the third world is true.They always countered the progressive ideas/revolutions which they found against their interests based on exploitation of resources.Containment and disintegration of USSR and now targeting China all around can be quoted as example.No doubt Secularism was the need of the capitalistic West against local feudals and clergy but not introduced/ encouraged by them in 3rd world.Even today,our capitalists/elite classes of subcontinent join hand to hand with the West but reluctant to opt secularism even having multi religious,sectarian and minorities societies.
Hahahahaha meri resume yaha usa me jb reject hoti hai to asy he email ati hai your experience doesn’t allign with our company
Sir jo videos mention ki apne iss video may woh tag kar dein
Yes please I'm also very interested
بہت خوب لیکچر
sir please answer what is your view on lacanian psycoanaylsis and philosphy ? is it worth according to you?
I am no professor, but I recommend you to read Dawkins' essay _Postmodernism Disrobed_ . It just 3-4 pages.
It talks about Lacan.
All Muslim governments were secular in medieval period
they never applied Islamic law?
❤️❣️❤️
Great lecture. Very well explained. @@taimur_laal please make a video on intellectual and academic geneology of postmodernism.
There is a blog by the name of "History for atheists". On the blog there is an essay "religious wars and violence"
The author argues that secularism was not a solution of the endless religious wars. Please give it a read and review.
Hmm which video the title of that video and also share the link 🖇️ of that video . kindly
Of course it is. When there was no secularism word at that time parsi got refugee in hindu kingdom due to fear of Muslims, jews got refugee in hindu kingdom due to fear of Christianity ,yezdi got refugee, and all sects were living peacefully Under hindu rulers.
Family and Followers of Hussain from Arab got refuge in sindh in 680-708
Various civilisations at various points in history have been open or closed to external influence. Some would argue that at the moment, India is open to all sans Muslims.
sir plz make videos on libertarianism and national socialism
👍👍👍
Sir ap ny so called intellect from dummy museum Qaiser Ahmed Raja ko mention nahii Kiya 😂
Haan lekin us ke kitchen chalane ke liye material provide kar diya🤣
Sir ke lectures se kisi ka bala ho ya na ho.eik bande lottery lagi hui hai
Academic writing alag cheeze hay aur lecture daina alag cheeze hay
बहुत प्रभावशील आपसे सहमत
Pajeets for no reason
Asi batein...qaisar Ahmad or uska followers ka oper sa guzr rehe hon ga
Qaisar jaise logo ka Kam azal se yahi k logo k dimagh band rakhny Hain or Pakistan jaise mulko me iska incentive bhara hota hai or ye Kam b had se zyada easy hai.
Us admi ki smugness, uska angrezi k alfaz k pronunciation me obvious Koshish uska sarcastic Andaz, inka maqsad e yahi hai k usky follower sochy baghair us k qaseeday gungunaty rahain k WA g Raja g tusi Cha gye o, twada te jawab e koi ni, Desi liberal nu bo changa zaleel krdy o tusi. Halan charlatans ki bataon me akar nuksan apna krwa rahy Hain.
Lol it's not only about pseudo followers even you know Dr Lal is lying here. In the book of George holoyake . The principles of secularism. He argued that under secularism we will try our best to promote scientism. Which means secularism is a way to gradually cancel out religion from peoples mind. That's why almost all of Europe have becoming atheist in this century 🤡
Well guess than who runs from debate how many times qar calls out for debate or discussion but somehow every time these secular libelar avoid it 🤔
@@AnjumSaquib-mh6ky of course we avoid it. We live in a country where religious extremists have taken thousands of lives.
❤
I would like you to read a seminal book ‘India, civilisation, constitutionality, coloniality by Sai Deepak.
Proud secular and libral ❤
Only Islamism
Its hindu majority thats why all 72 firqa r living peacefully with each others otherwise shia sunni barelvi ahamdiya ismaili all they r fighting in other countries.
Really? What an uneducated comment
سر تیمور اپ ماشاءاللہ بہت پڑھے لکھے ہیں ہم اپ کی عزت کرتے ہیں خلافت عثمانیہ ٹوٹنے کے بعد مسلمانوں کازوال شروع ہوا اب "فاتحہ کا کلچر مفتوح کا دین بن جاتا ہے" ساحل عدیم
Nepal, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Mali and such are also secular states - yet they have a lower GDP than Pakistan and on many other metrics have lower performance. What is the point of promoting secularism in Pakistan - when over 90 percent of the population identify itself as Muslim - I mean seriously what is the AGENDA BEHIND SECULAR PROMOTION?
Would it be OK if all the western countries become Christian theocratic states?
Just read the history of Chritianity and you will understand why secularism is needed?
Back when European States were not secular and nearly everybody in Europe was Christian, Europeans fought among themselves on the grounds of Christian sectarian differences. Catholics and Protestants fought major bloody wars between themselves over decades if not centuries. Do you now see what the issue is when the State is not secular even if everybody within the State is a member of the same religion?
One reason "Peace ✌️"
While face-palming - this guy's agenda is to spread secularism in Pakistan-PAKISTAN!!!
@@mhas9110 You did not read what I and steve wrote
Sir problem ye hai k ap liberalism, Social log hen wo itna logo ko katal Q kr dete hen. Q k results to yni show krta hen. Mein or mere jaisa log to har wakat kisi b bahana sa katal kia ja skta. Pora Africa,asia k katal sa agr ap jaisi elite har jaga scientific taraqi ko enjoy to kr rhe hen lekin mein kya kro. Ya bas chup kro. Progressive, equality etc sona mein to acha lagta hai😢.
@@kidzuna-p4j that’s not because of secularism. That’s because of capitalism. Yet you embrace capitalism and reject secularism. It should be the other way around.
@Taimur_Laal Sir, this isn't looks like good Taliban and Bad Taliban. Because who cares who killed him both looks the same to me. They have the same justifications. For a person like me, a man in a suit who killed my millions of fellows. Why because they are extremists or fundamentalists. He calls himself liberal, secular person ( like the Taliban). Whether it is collateral damage from state or a labaik ya Rasoolullah from Islamic fundamentalists. I am the common man who got killed. Not like you, Sir( sorry to say) not the secular in the suit.
@ the common man will stay on oppression unless he learns to make such distinctions. Because they Weill incorrectly identify the real issue.
@@Taimur_Laal Matlab k asi naa e smjya. Thanks Sir.
@ I’ll make a video to explain.
❤ secular ❤
Sir, What's your take on some Marxists denying the big bang Theory?
@@ZAAN_MUSIC seems that there are many scientists who also are beginning to question it.
@Taimur_Laal
Marxists seem to question it from the beginning without any strong scientific basis.
Whereas scientists not simply reject bigbang for ideological (historical materialistic) reasons but they have other scientific grounds for "questioning" bigbang as the only event to explain the beginning of time and space.
@@Taimur_Laal "beginning to question it"? what is that suppose to mean?. Scientific theories are mathematical models. How do you question a mathematical model? Either you present experimental evidence that contradicts the model, in which case you try to improve the model to explain the anomalies, or you come up with a better model which has more capabilities of predicting and explaining the observed phenomenon. Questioning a scientific theory on the basis of some philosophical view point (e.g. Dialectical materialism) is simply a sign of ignorance which I am sure a lot of marxists are guilty of and you should state so openly.
@@omarkhan3256Very well said.
@ The three major theories of the origin of the universe are the Big Bang theory, the Steady State theory, and the Eternal Inflation theory. All have their mathematical models.
When you're gonna debate qaiser Ahmed raja or just to scared to face him 🤓
❤ secular ❤