@@ChaseProductions18 Don Figueroa is an artist who worked for a lot of early IDW and Dreamwave comics. He got into some controversy around 2010 or so when Hasbro and IDW started stealing his designs without permission, most notable being the stealth bomber Megatron design. And so he kinda left the franchise for like over a decade or so. To this day, some of his designs are still taken without his consent.
The other day, I was chatting to a GI Joe fan who was also a casual transformer collector at my local shop. I asked him his opinion on the GI Joe cross-over, he said it's just terribly designed and doesn't rock any interest from him. I do feel like certain fans give official product too much benefit of the doubt, whenever something doesn't quite work, they would pull out the "you are not the target customer" card and claim there are certain crowd who is into it even thought they aren't part of that crowd.
Well, Hasbro wouldn't bother making them if they didn't sell to someone. Fans generally don't seem to recognise that these crossover toys had to maintain the same functionality as the old Joe toys, which naturally means compromises. Like why don't the arms and legs go inside? They need to maintain the driver or troop compartment. Why bother making them Joe figure scale if they can't be used with 3'3/4 inch figures? A popular thread a while back was comparing HISS Megatron negatively to Earth Wars Soundwave, who turned into the obscure DTC HISS from 2005. That video game design, naturally cheats (see how much trouble the WFC Fall of Cybertron designs are as toys) and places the legs where both the troop compartment and rotating turret would be.
@@ffnbbq Well, people generally don't seem to recognize that when two going into one doesn't quite work, it's still called bad design. You are the kind of guy I'm referring to, that it's not hard to just admit sth is a bad toy. If it really sells as you claimed, it wouldn't be on discount and people still don't want them even then. Here's the comment from the person I talked to: why not just buy a regular hiss tank and put a megatron right next to it?
I actually have the nuclear blast ver. It had some terrible qc. All the ratchets were super fragile and broke immediately. Hope yours doesn't have any problems.
Damn, that sucks. I didn't see many complaints about the QC for the NB version on the TFW2005 forums or Reddit, so I hope that it was just a bad batch and not a widespread issue.
This thing never ceases to remind of that old Xovergen Grand Patriot. I never owned one but the regular Prime deco and the green version looked awesome to me. Now, the TFC one certainly upstages it, but it’s a fun reminder to me. Great review by the way!
man for how influential tfc was back in the early days of third party they get almost no flowers now which is kinda sad because some of their stuff still holds up their devastator still looks good nowadays despite being over a decade old at this point the liokaiser they did is pretty sweet (at least the reissue with the joint fixes is) and i've heard great things about that piranacon set they deserve credit
Love to see a 3rd party without a crazy/convoluted transformation scheme. Missile truck reminds me of Cybertron Defense Red Alert. Used to have the original 2007 movie Starscream, but unfortunately ended up as garage sale fodder during my last purge. Kinda wish I hadn't as I still have the ROTF voyager, and Leader, and now the SS which is definitely an improvement, but the original was still a lot of fun despite inaccuracy.
You are correct that the missiles will no longer attach to his arms. Early models had four ladders that had a square outward peg, but have since been replaced with the four hydraulic stabilizers which contain no peg. However, you should be able to slide the larger missiles onto the upper outside of his shoulder pads. You will be able to angle elevation, and breadth from that location. And you can attach the smaller missiles onto the outside of the larger ones. (That's how I have mine displayed)
Was going to make this a reply to an an earlier post, or just edit the post itself, but I figured this deserved its own thing. That piece that you said is supposed to go on the back? It does, up on his upper back, over what would be his shoulder blades. But if you put it on, you won't be able to attach the giant X to his back. It's a left-over from the original Prime-colored version, it's where you attach Prime's missiles. And yes, the two missiles inside the giant one don't attach anywhere as they, too, are a hold-over from another design (the Jungle Camo version), so there's nothing you can do with them on this guy. They don't attach to that 'backpack piece' I mentioned before, either, as that was designed for the ones that came with the Prime-colored version. So you're just left with a backpack piece and two large missiles, that come apart to reveal four smaller missiles, all of which are completely useless in either mode (you can't use them in the truck mode, the base robot mode or the beefed-up version). You _can,_ however, attach two of the small missiles to the backpack piece, though they look weird (you have to attach them 'upside down', so the hollow area is facing up). So that's something, I suppose.
For some reason the first thing that comes to mind when seeing this figure is that it should be a G.I. Joe crossover Onslaught and the central part of an insane looking Bruticus.
If you want a bit more range of movement with the alternate head with the mask on, shift the neck up and back using that double hinge onto the window piece. That way he can look down a bit.
The GI Joe transformers suffer way too much from not integrating the vehicle into the robot. They need to ditch the forced G1 blocky-ness and do it this way.
They do it that way in part to maintain the functionality of the original Joe vehicle. If they designed them like regular Transformers, then they wouldn't bother making them figure scale.
Too bad they couldn't've done the 'H.I.S.S. Megatron' thing and make his robot mode resemble Optimus Prime in the coloration, while having the vehicle mode look like the G.I.JOE model, but I can kinda see why they didn't. Basically the entire robot mode is visible in the vehicle, so they couldn't have different schemes going. It would've been nice, though. **EDIT** Forgot to add that yes, they _do_ have an 'Optimus Prime' colored one, but it doesn't come with this big-ass missile. That, and it just looks weird having the entire thing be 'Optimus colored'. Like it isn't part of that universe. I dunno, I might grab either this one or the regular camo one and do some painting. Frankly, I'm still hoping for an official crossover version.
This figure kind of reminds me of MP10 for some reason. The base robot, not the super mode. I think the aesthetics and the simplicity of the transformation is what does it for me. There's a Megatron that's also pretty cool. All the super armor parts can changed around to create all kinds of different alt modes. It's parts forming, but you can do so much with it and it's fun.
I have the green missile carrier one and the Scourge looking one with the wings. I didn't really *need* to watch your video for a figure good enough to make me buy it twice, but I did anyways cuz you're funny and I wanted to hear your take on it anyways!
Hey man just so you know I've had this figure for years and the instructions don't tell you but if you combine the two leg components end-to-end to form the wall there's actually two notches just underneath the wheels it allows you to take the center section of the vehicle mode with the Hydraulics up and attach it to the legs forming a base platform. The instructions just have them sitting together but they actually do connect. Also if you want to get the missiles on the arms you were just connects the smaller missiles to the outside of the larger missiles then take the two shoulder triangle pieces and combine them into their missile silo formation and attach the large missiles to either side then lastly you can attach the whole assembly onto his arm just like the tank and give him a Megatron double arm Cannon . Also of course if you forgo the the jetpack you can put the remaining piece from the vehicle mode onto his backpack and attach the missiles to it giving him shoulder missiles . The coolest thing you can do though is use all of the parts that come with the figure if you angle the jetpack attachment Peaks back so that you can attach the hydraulic piece as a backpack you can then put the jetpack on on top of it an angle the top two sections of the jetpack inwords kind of over the shoulders to give him the fully armored up look. I'm actually really surprised you didn't cover any of the base configuration Play features
I'm not a huge fan of how little the rocket does. I would've expected it to house a bunch of weapons or something, but just a rocket? Kind of a let down
so many amazing decos of this awesome figure, personally i'm hoping they release a sentinel prime colours version of the nemesis one they recently did, that version would be the ultimate for me.
12:54 So, you find a breach, probe it, the sphere comes through, 600 feet above London, BAM! It leaves a hole in the fabric of reality. And that hole, you think: "Should we leave it alone, should we back off, should we play it safe?" NAH, you think: "Let's make it BIGGER!"
I've seen this design so many times. It's one of the three figures that have made me really consider buying transformers again. I really can't be a LEGO fan and buy other stuff.
This toy is proof that partsforming isn't an issue if it's done properly and all of the detachable parts have a purpose in multiple forms. Unlike Lego or Kree-O, these detachable parts aren't useless.
*points at thesign saying "Official GI Joe Transformers toys are designed to retain the Joe figure-scale functionality of the original Joe vehicles (or at least as much as they can), which leads to compromises. That Earth Wars HISS Megatron design people pointed to last year would have never worked with this requirement."*
Just broke down and ordered the guy. Dammit, man, my wallet is going to kill me for this. xD Oh well, I needed something to fill the 'G.I.Joe Crossover' spot for Optimus Prime, and he _is_ really kickass. So money well spent. He should get here between half-a-month and two months from now. Which'll be roughly the time my other two tf's from TFSource ship out (Titan class Tidalwave and Commander class Magmatron), so July/August is looking to be a good month! **EDIT** Just got my Arctic Camo Rolling Thunder Optimus Prime (S.T.COMMANDER STC-01P ICE WOLF) today!!!! And *_man_* is this thing fucking awesome. I haven't transformed it yet, just got it out of the foam and got the pieces added to it in order for the missile to attach. I'm leaving it like that for a bit to display it, but I'll be transforming it shortly.
Hey toy guy great review...mine is coming in soon , could you find out whether tfsafari would get the megatron in this style again its sold out currently.
This video convinced me to get this so I’m buying it tomorrow but I’m kinda nervous since it’s gonna be my first third party fig I’ll purchased I’m gonna be pissed if it’s plagued with qc issues but ooouggh it looks so good
The Sun Wukong deco of this mold is an AMAZING Sentinel Prime
Yeah! I got that one as well
Could make a great Nemesis Prime too. Just do a head swap.
@dubuyajay9964 the set does come with 2 head, one is the sun wukong one, the other is an optimus head, could use that alt head as a Sentinel stand in.
They have a Nemesis. Stc-01T Dark Savior, and he's amazing@dubuyajay9964
The last time I was this early, Don still owned this design.
Oof
The fact Dons design STILL gets stolen by third party in ducking 2024 is atrocious
What’s don
@@ChaseProductions18
Don Figueroa is an artist who worked for a lot of early IDW and Dreamwave comics. He got into some controversy around 2010 or so when Hasbro and IDW started stealing his designs without permission, most notable being the stealth bomber Megatron design. And so he kinda left the franchise for like over a decade or so.
To this day, some of his designs are still taken without his consent.
Who is don?
"I like how it fits together and stays together. "
Immediately flops. 1:35
i was about to comment this 😂
11:30 the tip does something cool
@@iainward1314THE TIP?!?!!!🤨🤨🤨
Btw, I have this guy and he is SOLID
The part where he flops is the abb crouch
Lol.
Tbf, this thing is supposed to have quite a bit of die cast metal, especially in the legs.
This is single handedly the most coolest figure I have ever seen, and it shall now be my new transformer goal to obtain it
The other day, I was chatting to a GI Joe fan who was also a casual transformer collector at my local shop. I asked him his opinion on the GI Joe cross-over, he said it's just terribly designed and doesn't rock any interest from him. I do feel like certain fans give official product too much benefit of the doubt, whenever something doesn't quite work, they would pull out the "you are not the target customer" card and claim there are certain crowd who is into it even thought they aren't part of that crowd.
How can he call it terribly designed when the film isn't even made yet?
@@novustalks7525They're referring to the TF/Joe crossover toys.
@@ffnbbq Oh
Well, Hasbro wouldn't bother making them if they didn't sell to someone. Fans generally don't seem to recognise that these crossover toys had to maintain the same functionality as the old Joe toys, which naturally means compromises. Like why don't the arms and legs go inside? They need to maintain the driver or troop compartment. Why bother making them Joe figure scale if they can't be used with 3'3/4 inch figures?
A popular thread a while back was comparing HISS Megatron negatively to Earth Wars Soundwave, who turned into the obscure DTC HISS from 2005. That video game design, naturally cheats (see how much trouble the WFC Fall of Cybertron designs are as toys) and places the legs where both the troop compartment and rotating turret would be.
@@ffnbbq Well, people generally don't seem to recognize that when two going into one doesn't quite work, it's still called bad design. You are the kind of guy I'm referring to, that it's not hard to just admit sth is a bad toy. If it really sells as you claimed, it wouldn't be on discount and people still don't want them even then. Here's the comment from the person I talked to: why not just buy a regular hiss tank and put a megatron right next to it?
We need a Nemesis Prime version of this with an alternate headsculpt!
there is one already and its called STC-01T
That would be sick!
There already is one and I have it. It turns into a completely different type of truck and has the full armor up with wings that Nova Prime has
@@Cwronaga216how is it called?
@@MasonPines-ep1ws TFC toys Dark savior
I actually have the nuclear blast ver. It had some terrible qc. All the ratchets were super fragile and broke immediately. Hope yours doesn't have any problems.
Damn, that sucks.
I didn't see many complaints about the QC for the NB version on the TFW2005 forums or Reddit, so I hope that it was just a bad batch and not a widespread issue.
This thing never ceases to remind of that old Xovergen Grand Patriot. I never owned one but the regular Prime deco and the green version looked awesome to me. Now, the TFC one certainly upstages it, but it’s a fun reminder to me. Great review by the way!
2:12 we know you love your what she said jokes but DAMN 💀
I kinda love this. I love the whole powerup armor gimmick. It's very reminiscent of Fire Convoy.
man for how influential tfc was back in the early days of third party they get almost no flowers now
which is kinda sad because some of their stuff still holds up
their devastator still looks good nowadays despite being over a decade old at this point
the liokaiser they did is pretty sweet (at least the reissue with the joint fixes is)
and i've heard great things about that piranacon set they deserve credit
This is my favorite transformer you’ve ever reviewed
With the gas mask head, wings on his back, and the white color scheme he looks like an earth mode Nova Prime
I was thinking the same
There a retool that’s just Nova as his Nemesis Prime persona
The ST01C Commander (Black Nova-ish Prime) deco is incredible.
I manly want this just for the Alt-Mode
This guy should get a doublecrosser retool
Or is it doubledealer? Idk
Double dealer@@Sideswiper1983-on6po
Doubledealer
Thanks
Love to see a 3rd party without a crazy/convoluted transformation scheme. Missile truck reminds me of Cybertron Defense Red Alert. Used to have the original 2007 movie Starscream, but unfortunately ended up as garage sale fodder during my last purge. Kinda wish I hadn't as I still have the ROTF voyager, and Leader, and now the SS which is definitely an improvement, but the original was still a lot of fun despite inaccuracy.
I can see this being retooled into a Nova Prime.
Funny story, it is going to be lol
@@ThatToyGuy oh really? neat!
@@ThatToyGuyI might have to get that
@@ThatToyGuy Where did you hear this, sir??
You are correct that the missiles will no longer attach to his arms. Early models had four ladders that had a square outward peg, but have since been replaced with the four hydraulic stabilizers which contain no peg.
However, you should be able to slide the larger missiles onto the upper outside of his shoulder pads. You will be able to angle elevation, and breadth from that location. And you can attach the smaller missiles onto the outside of the larger ones. (That's how I have mine displayed)
The Rocket can also be mounted on Is four harm if you don't want It on the sholders
Was going to make this a reply to an an earlier post, or just edit the post itself, but I figured this deserved its own thing. That piece that you said is supposed to go on the back? It does, up on his upper back, over what would be his shoulder blades. But if you put it on, you won't be able to attach the giant X to his back. It's a left-over from the original Prime-colored version, it's where you attach Prime's missiles. And yes, the two missiles inside the giant one don't attach anywhere as they, too, are a hold-over from another design (the Jungle Camo version), so there's nothing you can do with them on this guy. They don't attach to that 'backpack piece' I mentioned before, either, as that was designed for the ones that came with the Prime-colored version.
So you're just left with a backpack piece and two large missiles, that come apart to reveal four smaller missiles, all of which are completely useless in either mode (you can't use them in the truck mode, the base robot mode or the beefed-up version). You _can,_ however, attach two of the small missiles to the backpack piece, though they look weird (you have to attach them 'upside down', so the hollow area is facing up). So that's something, I suppose.
What’s the little light blue truck they used for size comparison
For some reason the first thing that comes to mind when seeing this figure is that it should be a G.I. Joe crossover Onslaught and the central part of an insane looking Bruticus.
oh man i’ve been so tempted to get this mold
"I need my brick separator" 😂. I'm a Lego and transformers fan among many others.
Probably my favorite toy I own, so many display options all in one solid figure set. Now I just need the Tyrant figure from TFC.
If you want a bit more range of movement with the alternate head with the mask on, shift the neck up and back using that double hinge onto the window piece. That way he can look down a bit.
I think the funniest idea is that he has this GIANT missile, but still throws hands
The missile is a deterrent and a last resort option. 😂
Hope you'll check out the Nemesis Prime version it has a completely different alternate mode and the armor up look is amazing with Nova Prime's wings
The GI Joe transformers suffer way too much from not integrating the vehicle into the robot. They need to ditch the forced G1 blocky-ness and do it this way.
They do it that way in part to maintain the functionality of the original Joe vehicle. If they designed them like regular Transformers, then they wouldn't bother making them figure scale.
@@ffnbbq functionality wouldn’t be lost, the problem is purely on the robot side of things, restricting the designs to being G1 is the issue.
@@octobotimusYeah, it's a stupid restriction.
I love ball joint knuckles, makes hand posing so much more realistic and awesome
Finally, you got this gem ❤
I had the original Rolling Thunder when I was a kid. I think it was the biggest land vehicle in my collection.
COLD CONVOY!
Too bad they couldn't've done the 'H.I.S.S. Megatron' thing and make his robot mode resemble Optimus Prime in the coloration, while having the vehicle mode look like the G.I.JOE model, but I can kinda see why they didn't. Basically the entire robot mode is visible in the vehicle, so they couldn't have different schemes going. It would've been nice, though.
**EDIT** Forgot to add that yes, they _do_ have an 'Optimus Prime' colored one, but it doesn't come with this big-ass missile. That, and it just looks weird having the entire thing be 'Optimus colored'. Like it isn't part of that universe. I dunno, I might grab either this one or the regular camo one and do some painting. Frankly, I'm still hoping for an official crossover version.
tfC toys is a legend in 3rd party figures..My favorite is still the Devastator "hercules" with and without upgrade kit
I totally want this! Very cool prime.
This figure kind of reminds me of MP10 for some reason. The base robot, not the super mode. I think the aesthetics and the simplicity of the transformation is what does it for me.
There's a Megatron that's also pretty cool. All the super armor parts can changed around to create all kinds of different alt modes. It's parts forming, but you can do so much with it and it's fun.
Honestly in this snow cammo, he makes me think of if Ultra Magnus were in Mad Max, the combining and everything fits so well
you want mad max look to the desert version
Seen these around and yeah, they look incredibly nice
Just wait until they make a USS Flagg Prime.
2:30 I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Roller.
Though to be fair I could be wrong.
Someone check please.
Looked at Don's concept art. It is Roller.
I have the green missile carrier one and the Scourge looking one with the wings. I didn't really *need* to watch your video for a figure good enough to make me buy it twice, but I did anyways cuz you're funny and I wanted to hear your take on it anyways!
The truck design kinda looks like devcon's vehicle from DOTM
Hey man just so you know I've had this figure for years and the instructions don't tell you but if you combine the two leg components end-to-end to form the wall there's actually two notches just underneath the wheels it allows you to take the center section of the vehicle mode with the Hydraulics up and attach it to the legs forming a base platform. The instructions just have them sitting together but they actually do connect. Also if you want to get the missiles on the arms you were just connects the smaller missiles to the outside of the larger missiles then take the two shoulder triangle pieces and combine them into their missile silo formation and attach the large missiles to either side then lastly you can attach the whole assembly onto his arm just like the tank and give him a Megatron double arm Cannon . Also of course if you forgo the the jetpack you can put the remaining piece from the vehicle mode onto his backpack and attach the missiles to it giving him shoulder missiles . The coolest thing you can do though is use all of the parts that come with the figure if you angle the jetpack attachment Peaks back so that you can attach the hydraulic piece as a backpack you can then put the jetpack on on top of it an angle the top two sections of the jetpack inwords kind of over the shoulders to give him the fully armored up look. I'm actually really surprised you didn't cover any of the base configuration Play features
I'm not a huge fan of how little the rocket does. I would've expected it to house a bunch of weapons or something, but just a rocket? Kind of a let down
so many amazing decos of this awesome figure, personally i'm hoping they release a sentinel prime colours version of the nemesis one they recently did, that version would be the ultimate for me.
11:05 his nuts and bolts dropped.
I actually really like when you show random stuff you ordered
Congrats on two starscreams
my fav robot in entire transformers franchise
11:57 Yo dawg I heard you like rockets.
12:54 So, you find a breach, probe it, the sphere comes through, 600 feet above London, BAM! It leaves a hole in the fabric of reality. And that hole, you think: "Should we leave it alone, should we back off, should we play it safe?" NAH, you think: "Let's make it BIGGER!"
I’ve been looking at this figure on bbts but waited for this review
This figure looks great might get him and also solid video
This guy looks awesome. the shoulders in the combined mode look like energon prime
I've seen this design so many times. It's one of the three figures that have made me really consider buying transformers again. I really can't be a LEGO fan and buy other stuff.
This toy is proof that partsforming isn't an issue if it's done properly and all of the detachable parts have a purpose in multiple forms.
Unlike Lego or Kree-O, these detachable parts aren't useless.
Gonna trust this review with my life and just buy it ASAP 😃
This is beautiful!!!
*points at thesign saying "Official GI Joe Transformers toys are designed to retain the Joe figure-scale functionality of the original Joe vehicles (or at least as much as they can), which leads to compromises.
That Earth Wars HISS Megatron design people pointed to last year would have never worked with this requirement."*
I still need to pick this figure up one of these days.
The amount of repaints this figure has is a rabbit hole like what is prime doing looking like monkey king
They should totally retool this into a Studio Series Devcon.
Just broke down and ordered the guy. Dammit, man, my wallet is going to kill me for this. xD Oh well, I needed something to fill the 'G.I.Joe Crossover' spot for Optimus Prime, and he _is_ really kickass. So money well spent. He should get here between half-a-month and two months from now. Which'll be roughly the time my other two tf's from TFSource ship out (Titan class Tidalwave and Commander class Magmatron), so July/August is looking to be a good month!
**EDIT**
Just got my Arctic Camo Rolling Thunder Optimus Prime (S.T.COMMANDER STC-01P ICE WOLF) today!!!! And *_man_* is this thing fucking awesome. I haven't transformed it yet, just got it out of the foam and got the pieces added to it in order for the missile to attach. I'm leaving it like that for a bit to display it, but I'll be transforming it shortly.
He looks like nova prime
I hope they do a ultimate optimus prime deco the combined mode was made for with those wings!
Should’ve been Cybertron Red Alert but damn that’s sick
These TFC figures are also 1/60th scale meaning they are compatible with Diaclone pilots.
There's an all black version of this that I really want.
They made another version of my most wanted 3P figure?
I'm sold... when I have the money for it 😅
Hi squidward
I've wanted one of these guys for sooo long 😂
not even subscribed and i got recommended it 1 min after upload. neat
That figure, whether in camouflage or the classic Optimus colors, is still a good figure.
The armor up makes me want a ultra magnus version
This design.. Peak Ultra Magnus bod. No need to change the body even! Perfect CHUG Magnus.
How did you get that starscream for so cheap?
Hey toy guy great review...mine is coming in soon , could you find out whether tfsafari would get the megatron in this style again its sold out currently.
Ya got any doritos
I have to dorito bots
- that toy guy
I've gotta subscribe
I want one of those pink starscreams so bad but cant find one for a reasonable price
This Is AWESOME!!!.
whats that blue truck you have it next too in the comparison?
I want to pick this up hopefully he is cheap good review 😄 Better than prime Vs prime
What's wrong with that guy?
now i am gundam
This video convinced me to get this so I’m buying it tomorrow but I’m kinda nervous since it’s gonna be my first third party fig I’ll purchased I’m gonna be pissed if it’s plagued with qc issues but ooouggh it looks so good
12:02 OH MY GOD THERE'S A ROCKET INSIDE THE ROCKET
What happened to the combiner?
That would be interesting, a transformers fallout crossover
I need it...
If Ultra Magnus would be introduced in the next Steven Caple Jr. TF Movie like this as a full blown army commander, I would be FLABBERGASTED.
Damn that looks sick
I dig it, but it needs to be big enough to fit gi joe figures.
it would be cool if someone repainted this into an ultra magnus
im planning on buying this but i dont know wich color to buy so can you tell me wich color you suggest?
I wish TFC would release their Hun-Grr
I swear I saw a military vehicle like that somewhere.
"The tip does something cool" thats what she said
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear
Sick 🔥🔥🔥
If you can, check their Megs please, Im not sure If I should get it or not