After being halfway it comes up to me that the thing that is hard to see is that if you watch what’s going on in this world I am more convinced that the only thing is Love and Kindness to ALL people. To be in the head/ mind one can UNDERSTAND, but….. in the end you’ll have to come to your heart. In the heart there is no judgment. Of course we as a people need both, heart and mind and to me in the end the heart matters. Furthermore Gabor and Ilan knów what they are talking about and i give thanks to Zaya and Mauritio.🙏🌈💓
Thanks for a great and in lighting conversation as always. There was many links of reference of the topics Gabor and Ilan where talking about which have been shared in the chat during the conversation and I wonder if it's possible to share them here as well or in other way. Thank you 🙏
Believe it or not? I was introduced to this situation, by a friend from Cairo. He introduced me to a number of subjects! We over in North America hear nothing as a rule, except what is the Desired Government/News Naratives. He explained what the Relationship is like, with Israel, regarding Egypt Lands, etc. That got me Seeking articles from UN, about the Correction to Israel, with the Bombing, Killing, Land Seizures, Inhuman Treatment to Gaza. Then I dug into how Gaza Welcomed Israel and What they got from this, the Betrayal. Then I started watching videos around Zionism vs Israel. Etc. But! Few are Seeking. Overall, I believe completely, that the Leaders ARE Doing these Crimes. The Prople are Brainwashed TO Believe this Narrative.
Same argument/ concept can be applied to Israelis. Only 4% of Israelis are against the war so over 90% of Israelis are cheerleading this genocide so if they are just as guilty Nazi war criminals as their government !
I had the honor of attending a event years ago where I bought on of Pappe's many books and he autographed it for me, I have been a member of JVP for years and we studied and learned about Zionism and have opposed the Zionisn since then,
Vous êtes des hommes grands! Nés dans la peau juive, vous parlez du sort des Palestiniens! Votre amour et compassion sont sans bornes! En terminologie bouddhiste, vous êtes des Bodhisatvas! Long live Messieurs et Mesdames divins!
This talk is a part of a conversation series we published to support the release of our film. The full talk can be found in this set of videos: whereolivetreesweep.com/conversations/
The Jewish community in the us is BOTH more critical of Israel and more connected and united in much of same language of Palestinian solidarity, in our bodies. The us support for usrael is existential, not only a strategic power relationship.
Secular Jews identify as Jewish but they don’t practice all of the religious rituals associated with the religion. Another word for this would be non-observant Jews. I hope this helps you as I myself am not Jewish.
It's a contradiction of terms. "Secular" means not connected with religious or spiritual matters. A "Jew" is a follower of the Jewish religion. It's an oxymoron. Ilan Pappe obviously refers to people who imagine that Jewishness means a "race", but no such race exists.
When are the Israelis going to free the thousands of Palestinians held illegally in Israeli concentration camps inside Israel? Last count was 11,500 Palestinians held illegally in Israel!
You are my best friend love to meet you and all the active people like you ❤❤❤l was born in Palestinian 1945 l hope to meet with you one soon ❤❤❤ You keep up the great work thanks
I enjoyed this interview so so much. Listening to Ilan and Gabor keeps me sane in the middle of the madness we are witnessing every day in Gaza. Thank you for your amazing work ❤
I think Norman Finkelstein has spoken out for years against Zionism and was attacked by those supporting Zionism. I have his latest book The Holocaust Industry. I think Mate and Pappe would support his views.
In fact "two state solution" it is just no way. One state with Arab n Jews in Palestine ; living peacefully together. From the river to the sea. Thank you.
@@estheracosta6510 Other questions which could be asked: Did that which you know to be God give the land to anyone? Or were we all given to the land? If we should try to claim it as our own, over and above any other beings, may the land vomit us up?
God is not a real estate agent. The "chosen people" is man-made mythology; nothing else; as is the similarly absurd presumption that God "gave" any land to any specific people.
Oh! 🫶🫶🫶🫶 *big breath out* Such an incredibly powerful, hopeful conversation, speaking fundamental truth to power! As I sit here weeping under the gravity of the current reality in Palestine, these discussions are the crucial spark that we all need to fan and spread as far and wide and BRIGHT as we can and NEVER let those flames die out 💔🙏💞🫶🥰 Thank you Zaya and Maurizio 🫶 Thank you Dr Gabor 🫶 Thank you Ilan 🫶 Thank you so much for all that you do and for inspiring that spark within all of us and arming our souls with the vital truth, in this urgent quest for peace and justice 💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞 Thank you from the very bottom of my heart 💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00 *🎬 Introducing the Guests and Their Work* - The video introduces Dr. Gabor Maté and Ilan Pappé, renowned experts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. - Pappé, an Israeli historian and political scientist, critiques Israel's 1948 establishment and its historical portrayal of the conflict. - The conversation delves into the ahistorical narrative surrounding the conflict and its impact on the understanding of both sides. 03:09 *🗺️ The Genesis of Zionism and its Ahistorical Narrative* - Pappé highlights the ahistorical perspective embedded within the Zionist narrative, justifying both the acquisition of Palestinian land and its displacement of the native population. - Tracing the origins of Zionism back to an Evangelical Christian project, he emphasizes the theological motivations behind the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. - He emphasizes the role of British and American imperialists in shaping the project and utilizing the "empty land" narrative, which he argues, contributed to the denial of Palestinian existence and the subsequent expulsion. 07:47 *🎧 Jewish Voices Against Zionism* - The conversation explores the existence of Jewish voices that opposed the Zionist project from its inception, advocating for a different approach to the conflict. - Pappé highlights the prophetic warnings by Anglo Jewish communities in the early 20th century, predicting the negative consequences of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. - He underscores the inherent contradiction between the Zionist narrative of a distinct Jewish nation and the anti-Semitic trope of Jews as an alien race. 13:59 *🏛️ The Nature of a "Jewish Nation"* - The discussion examines the concept of a Jewish nation, questioning its underlying principles and its relation to anti-Semitism. - Pappé highlights the similarity between the Zionist definition of a Jew and the anti-Semitic trope, highlighting the problematic reliance on religion for national identity. - He emphasizes the inconsistency of a "Jewish nation" where conversion to Judaism leads to automatic inclusion, raising questions about the foundation of such an identity. 16:44 *⚔️ The Consequences of Zionism for Jews and Palestinians* - The conversation explores the detrimental impact of Zionism not only on Palestinians but also on Jewish people. - Maté posits that Israel, seen as a safe haven for Jews, has ironically become one of the least safe places for them, highlighting the ironic consequences of their project. - He emphasizes the disastrous consequences of Zionism, predicting that future Jewish historians will view it as a tragedy within Jewish history. 18:03 *📉 The End of Zionism: Collapse and Implosion* - Pappé argues that the Zionist project, based on the forceful imposition of a European Jewish state, is nearing its end. - He points to the project's internal and external vulnerabilities, including economic unsustainability, social divisions, and the failure to achieve national cohesion. - He connects the collapse of the Zionist project to the broader disintegration of the nation-state model across the Eastern Mediterranean, highlighting the shared legacies of colonialism. 22:26 *😔 The Personal Burden of the Conflict and a Path to Hope* - The conversation turns towards the personal experiences of both speakers, reflecting on the emotional impact of the conflict. - Pappé discusses the shift from his upbringing as a typical Israeli to his realization of the true nature of the conflict, driven by his engagement with Palestinians and his investigation into historical truths. - Despite the severity of the situation, Pappé emphasizes a sense of hope for the future, highlighting the possibility of a more positive outcome despite the challenges. He encourages active engagement rather than passive observation in shaping the future. Made with HARPA AI
The Jews and the Non-Jews in Palestine are NOT two separate people as the Zionism say but ONE UNITED FAMILY. Both are the children of Abraham . So the Jews came to Palestine to visit or re-unite with their family.
The European Jews - the Askenazi, the majority of Israelis - have no ancestral connection with Palestin whatsoever. The Jews, Christians and Muslims of Palestine do share Semitic roots, but the invading Ashkenazis are predominantly Khazars; hybrids of Mongols and Turks, who were driven westard into Eastern Europe. They adopted Judaism as a state religion for political reasons; but they aren't genetically related to the biblical "Israelites" - depite their claims to the contrary.
There is alot of hope for Israel. Palestinians and Israeli citizens can work for a better country. Would the outcome have been different if radical Evangelical from America didn't intrude on Israel politics. If bB is arrested thats a new start. Tourist who visit the Holy Land want to see the historic stone architecture, history matters.
So glad to hear someone else comment on the dismal state of political representatives, never before in my lifetime have I been aware of such a lack of aptitude and talent which is so very important for good governing.
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Thank God for Dr. Gabor Mate’ and llan Pappe’ and people like them. Please continue this very important cause. Thank you.
They are keeping me sane in this terrible situation.
100% truth.
Two of the great visionary and courageous voices of our time. Please share and spread their work and voices. The world needs to hear this.
Thanks for all your work...
Your guests are always excellent.
From Ireland 🇮🇪
Love to, and real sorrow for 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Wonderful convo. Thank you.
Free Palestine.
Free the world.
🙏🇵🇸❤️
Wow wow wow!!!!
So happy I found this glimmer of hope in the face of my desperate despair. Long live PALESTINE
Thank you very much for this thought provoking discussion 🇵🇸
An excellent conversation between two magnificent intellects!! Another viewer from Ireland that is deeply appreciative to obtain such insights!❤️❤️❤️😁
Thank you for the opportunity!!!
After being halfway it comes up to me that the thing that is hard to see is that if you watch what’s going on in this world I am more convinced that the only thing is Love and Kindness to ALL people. To be in the head/ mind one can UNDERSTAND, but….. in the end you’ll have to come to your heart. In the heart there is no judgment. Of course we as a people need both, heart and mind and to me in the end the heart matters. Furthermore Gabor and Ilan knów what they are talking about and i give thanks to Zaya and Mauritio.🙏🌈💓
Thanks gentlemen for the great work you do , this presentation was quite enlightening, please keep it up 🇵🇸
Thank you
Two of my favourite legends
As a Lebanese Muslim I want to tell you how much I love, respect and admire all of you for your conscience and bravery. ❤
Disclose-Divest 🇵🇸
Thank you so much! Great conversation
Thanks for a great and in lighting conversation as always. There was many links of reference of the topics Gabor and Ilan where talking about which have been shared in the chat during the conversation and I wonder if it's possible to share them here as well or in other way. Thank you 🙏
Interesting to hear from a Israeli person.
They are good people in all faiths , nice to hear their opinions.
Two Legends, thank you for putting this together and thank the good lord for people for peace through love.
Grazie
Prego!
I love both of them SO much. Thank you for existing ❤️
Believe it or not? I was introduced to this situation, by a friend from Cairo. He introduced me to a number of subjects! We over in North America hear nothing as a rule, except what is the Desired Government/News Naratives.
He explained what the Relationship is like, with Israel, regarding Egypt Lands, etc.
That got me Seeking articles from UN, about the Correction to Israel, with the Bombing, Killing, Land Seizures, Inhuman Treatment to Gaza. Then I dug into how Gaza Welcomed Israel and What they got from this, the Betrayal.
Then I started watching videos around Zionism vs Israel. Etc.
But! Few are Seeking.
Overall, I believe completely, that the Leaders ARE Doing these Crimes. The Prople are Brainwashed TO Believe this Narrative.
Same argument/ concept can be applied to Israelis. Only 4% of Israelis are against the war so over 90% of Israelis are cheerleading this genocide so if they are just as guilty Nazi war criminals as their government !
How is the occupier is the victim here
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I had the honor of attending a event years ago where I bought on of Pappe's many books and he autographed it for me, I have been a member of JVP for years and we studied and learned about Zionism and have opposed the Zionisn since then,
Wow. This dropped in my feed.
Can't get enough of you guys !!!!! Every single chapter is amazing !
I dare to recommend Mrs Nurit Peled - Elhanan as one of your guest ?
YUM!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!
Thank you
Vous êtes des hommes grands! Nés dans la peau juive, vous parlez du sort des Palestiniens! Votre amour et compassion sont sans bornes! En terminologie bouddhiste, vous êtes des Bodhisatvas! Long live Messieurs et Mesdames divins!
Peace
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Two beautiful souls ❤
Actually make that four beautiful souls ❤
This conversation was cut off abruptly, is there a link to the rest?
This talk is a part of a conversation series we published to support the release of our film. The full talk can be found in this set of videos: whereolivetreesweep.com/conversations/
Can you host a discussion between Norman Finkelstein and Ilan Pappe? They seem to have opposite viewpoints in many areas.
The Jewish community in the us is BOTH more critical of Israel and more connected and united in much of same language of Palestinian solidarity, in our bodies.
The us support for usrael is existential, not only a strategic power relationship.
Hmmm...good title.
Many people woke up when Aaron Bushnell sacrificed himself on video to Free Palestine
Read The Racket, 2nd Edition by Matt Kennard
Can someone explain yo me what Ilan Pappe means by "secular Jews" ?
Secular Jews identify as Jewish but they don’t practice all of the religious rituals associated with the religion. Another word for this would be non-observant Jews. I hope this helps you as I myself am not Jewish.
It's a contradiction of terms. "Secular" means not connected with religious or spiritual matters. A "Jew" is a follower of the Jewish religion. It's an oxymoron.
Ilan Pappe obviously refers to people who imagine that Jewishness means a "race", but no such race exists.
Please interview Richard Forer
Well... as life goes... We'll interview him in a couple of weeks!!!! Check our site as we'll announce it very, very soon! 🙏
16000 children so far
Encourage the youth to view Ryan Dawson film How Israel Stole the Atomic Bomb
Free the hostages on both sides!!!
End the oppressive occupation
When are the Israelis going to free the thousands of Palestinians held illegally in Israeli concentration camps inside Israel? Last count was 11,500 Palestinians held illegally in Israel!
@@ileanahernandez1709
Zionists don't seem to understand reason. Only force.
That is why the resistance will never stop.
deep thanks for bringing Gabor and Ilan together. This is the force of justice and compassion we all need.
Thank you for so interesting and actual conversation! 🙏🇵🇸
Thank you for this discussion my good friends
You are my best friend love to meet you and all the active people like you ❤❤❤l was born in Palestinian 1945 l hope to meet with you one soon ❤❤❤ You keep up the great work thanks
Love you Both ❤❤❤ m j
What beautiful twins, Zaya and Maurizio!... Twin glasses, hair, beautiful tanned skin, amazing smiles
Grazie! ❤
Than you Dr. MAte & Ilan Pappe for you for your enlightment in this important historic lessons.
beautiful conversation ! thanks Dr Gabor Mate and Illan Poppe, and of course thank you SAND for the amazing work you're doing !❤
I enjoyed this interview so so much. Listening to Ilan and Gabor keeps me sane in the middle of the madness we are witnessing every day in Gaza. Thank you for your amazing work ❤
I think Norman Finkelstein has spoken out for years against Zionism and was attacked by those supporting Zionism. I have his latest book The Holocaust Industry. I think Mate and Pappe would support his views.
In fact "two state solution" it is just no way. One state with Arab n Jews in Palestine ; living peacefully together. From the river to the sea. Thank you.
Two great people. Humanitarians, historians, philosophers of great stature.
Thank you 🙏🏻❤️🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🍉🍉🍉
Interesting 🙏
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My question is, did God gave any other People on this Planet a land ?❤E
@@estheracosta6510 Other questions which could be asked: Did that which you know to be God give the land to anyone? Or were we all given to the land? If we should try to claim it as our own, over and above any other beings, may the land vomit us up?
God is not a real estate agent. The "chosen people" is man-made mythology; nothing else; as is the similarly absurd presumption that God "gave" any land to any specific people.
Would love more in depth conversations between Ilan and Gabor
Oh! 🫶🫶🫶🫶 *big breath out* Such an incredibly powerful, hopeful conversation, speaking fundamental truth to power!
As I sit here weeping under the gravity of the current reality in Palestine, these discussions are the crucial spark that we all need to fan and spread as far and wide and BRIGHT as we can and NEVER let those flames die out
💔🙏💞🫶🥰
Thank you Zaya and Maurizio 🫶
Thank you Dr Gabor 🫶
Thank you Ilan 🫶
Thank you so much for all that you do and for inspiring that spark within all of us and arming our souls with the vital truth, in this urgent quest for peace and justice
💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞
Thank you from the very bottom of my heart
💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:00 *🎬 Introducing the Guests and Their Work*
- The video introduces Dr. Gabor Maté and Ilan Pappé, renowned experts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
- Pappé, an Israeli historian and political scientist, critiques Israel's 1948 establishment and its historical portrayal of the conflict.
- The conversation delves into the ahistorical narrative surrounding the conflict and its impact on the understanding of both sides.
03:09 *🗺️ The Genesis of Zionism and its Ahistorical Narrative*
- Pappé highlights the ahistorical perspective embedded within the Zionist narrative, justifying both the acquisition of Palestinian land and its displacement of the native population.
- Tracing the origins of Zionism back to an Evangelical Christian project, he emphasizes the theological motivations behind the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine.
- He emphasizes the role of British and American imperialists in shaping the project and utilizing the "empty land" narrative, which he argues, contributed to the denial of Palestinian existence and the subsequent expulsion.
07:47 *🎧 Jewish Voices Against Zionism*
- The conversation explores the existence of Jewish voices that opposed the Zionist project from its inception, advocating for a different approach to the conflict.
- Pappé highlights the prophetic warnings by Anglo Jewish communities in the early 20th century, predicting the negative consequences of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine.
- He underscores the inherent contradiction between the Zionist narrative of a distinct Jewish nation and the anti-Semitic trope of Jews as an alien race.
13:59 *🏛️ The Nature of a "Jewish Nation"*
- The discussion examines the concept of a Jewish nation, questioning its underlying principles and its relation to anti-Semitism.
- Pappé highlights the similarity between the Zionist definition of a Jew and the anti-Semitic trope, highlighting the problematic reliance on religion for national identity.
- He emphasizes the inconsistency of a "Jewish nation" where conversion to Judaism leads to automatic inclusion, raising questions about the foundation of such an identity.
16:44 *⚔️ The Consequences of Zionism for Jews and Palestinians*
- The conversation explores the detrimental impact of Zionism not only on Palestinians but also on Jewish people.
- Maté posits that Israel, seen as a safe haven for Jews, has ironically become one of the least safe places for them, highlighting the ironic consequences of their project.
- He emphasizes the disastrous consequences of Zionism, predicting that future Jewish historians will view it as a tragedy within Jewish history.
18:03 *📉 The End of Zionism: Collapse and Implosion*
- Pappé argues that the Zionist project, based on the forceful imposition of a European Jewish state, is nearing its end.
- He points to the project's internal and external vulnerabilities, including economic unsustainability, social divisions, and the failure to achieve national cohesion.
- He connects the collapse of the Zionist project to the broader disintegration of the nation-state model across the Eastern Mediterranean, highlighting the shared legacies of colonialism.
22:26 *😔 The Personal Burden of the Conflict and a Path to Hope*
- The conversation turns towards the personal experiences of both speakers, reflecting on the emotional impact of the conflict.
- Pappé discusses the shift from his upbringing as a typical Israeli to his realization of the true nature of the conflict, driven by his engagement with Palestinians and his investigation into historical truths.
- Despite the severity of the situation, Pappé emphasizes a sense of hope for the future, highlighting the possibility of a more positive outcome despite the challenges. He encourages active engagement rather than passive observation in shaping the future.
Made with HARPA AI
The Jews and the Non-Jews in Palestine are NOT two separate people as the Zionism say but ONE UNITED FAMILY. Both are the children of Abraham . So the Jews came to Palestine to visit or re-unite with their family.
The European Jews - the Askenazi, the majority of Israelis - have no ancestral connection with Palestin whatsoever. The Jews, Christians and Muslims of Palestine do share Semitic roots, but the invading Ashkenazis are predominantly Khazars; hybrids of Mongols and Turks, who were driven westard into Eastern Europe.
They adopted Judaism as a state religion for political reasons; but they aren't genetically related to the biblical "Israelites" - depite their claims to the contrary.
There is alot of hope for Israel. Palestinians and Israeli citizens can work for a better country. Would the outcome have been different if radical Evangelical from America didn't intrude on Israel politics. If bB is arrested thats a new start. Tourist who visit the Holy Land want to see the historic stone architecture, history matters.
Where is the rest, please?
The whole video is part of this program: whereolivetreesweep.com/conversations/
ShakeUp XR
So glad to hear someone else comment on the dismal state of political representatives, never before in my lifetime have I been aware of such a lack of aptitude and talent which is so very important for good governing.
Israel’s tactical are identical to that of Hitler’s days
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