There is an explanation of why the flat nose penetrated that steel plate better than the pointed nose bullet. The flat nose produces what engineers refer to as a "punching shear" on impact with the plate, where as the pointed nose crushes on impact absorbing some of the force before it can be transferred to the steel plate. In the ballistic material, the flat nose will penetrate straight line, also because of punching shear. When driving pipe piles we use a flat bottom to take advantage of this effect, allowing the pile to drive deeper with less energy and the flat bottom piles do not curve as much. And yes, some dumb ass in a gun store stopped me when I was buying 30-30 ammo, asking why I was hunting with such weak ammo.....I just looked at him, shook my head, and kept walking.
Tony Rome, that’s what I was thinking, but I didn’t know how to word it, thank you for the explanation I really appreciate it, from what I’ve seen the good old 30-30 drops more deer dead in its tracks then bigger more powerful guns like 308, 270.
@@Leverguns50 not sure about that. Being 308 & 30-30 can use the same exact bullets. I get the flat nose theory & i can agree. Most deer i shoot do drop with the 308 too. Not a lot of difference in the 2, just one has the potential to be faster bc it holds more powder & a little more pressure. But IMO mostly shot placement could be the difference in any round dropping large game & running a short distance, if you making good shots they not going far if any at all! I've been doing some thinking & testing with soft point flat nose & poly pointed expanding 150gr for .308. But so far looking like the blunt soft points may have the advantage. The shockwave you get (that you see in gel) i think has a lot to do with ammo type & making that deer go lights out! Good video bud I enjoyed it!👍
I agree with what you’re saying, my brother Hunts with a 308 but he said the pointed Bullet to use just don’t drop them like when he hunted with a 30-30, i’ve also hunted with people that hunted with the 7MM and other guns and their deer we had to track sometimes, however I’ve never used appointed Bullet other than the FTX on a deer yet, so I personally don’t have experience with the difference on deer. I think you’re on the right track, I take that back I have shot a some deer with you 300 Winchester short magnum and those were pointed bullets, I remember at least two of the deer dropped in their tracks one of them flopped around a little bit, The big 10 point got away I later found its bones, it was a longshot though, probably not long for a 300 mag but long for me
@@Leverguns50 My first buck and second deer i shot with a 7mm-08 remington model 7 using winchester silver casing black tip ammo, never in my life have i seen such little blood from a deer being shot by a PERFECT shot (Not to toot my own horn, my accuracy has dropped with the development of a flinch) that caused a deer to go no less than 20 yards.
I still say the only people complaining that 30-30 isnt enough to humanely hunt deer are the same ones that cant put a bullet in a 5 inch circle at 25 yards with a rifle.
The problem is nobody hunts anymore. 300 yard shots are now the order of the day. Hunting has become target shooting with live animals. These "New" super bullets that are pointed really don't make a difference out in the woods. The spire point nonsense started with gun writers. There have always been rifles that could shoot pointed bullets. I have a 99 Savage and my buddy has a 340 Savage. The problem is nobody made a pointed bullet that would expand at 30-30 velocities. The ultimate folly was "Putting one pointed bullet in the chamber". If you have to reinvent a cartridge, buy a different gun.
My brother shoots deer at approximately a mile away. The 30-30 round is so slow the deer has time to walk out of the way before the bullet gets there. Me and him both have switched to the 22-250.
My grandpa always said if a 22 can do it, a 30-30 can do it better so he never had a 22, only rifle he ever trusted was a model 94 and his dads old garand
30-30 is here to stay. I just plain works. And not just on deer. It's enough gun for just about anything. Just get close enough. It's called hunting. Not just sniping at 1000 yds.
Just got a pre-64 vintage Model 94 in .30-30 from my Uncle Mitch for my graduation. Been passed down the family since my Great-grandfather Brassard. Gotta clean up some rust and grease the lever but wood grain on the stock is almost flawless. Something like that is timeless.
It's easy to overlook 30/30 because it's so common, but it never fails to bring a smile to my face shooting water jugs, melons, etc... I've not even been tempted to let my Model 94 go. Took a deer with it less than 10 minutes into my first deer hunt with it 6-8 years ago. It's a keeper.
Definitely couldn't agree more. Never underestimate a 30-30. It'll drop a black bear, it'll drop a deer, it'll drop whatever you hit with in and then keep going. Out here in the northern appalachians where the forests are thicker than you can imagine im never disappointed with the penetration power.
Excellent video brother! You took the 300 blackout comment right out of my mouth. The 94/336 are both excellent rifles even today. The 30-30 still gets the job done, even well after 100 years.
I am in no way an expert on the 30-30 but I do know that a relative of mine has one and hunts with it and has never had any issue bringing home the bacon. He mostly hunted wild boar. Peace To All!
I've never heard of boar hunting with a 30-30 but I could definitely see it working out well. Boars are tough, 30-30 will knock them down when it hits them
My Dad always said if he could blow a hole completely through a deer, he didn't need a bigger rifle. He started with a .30-30 saddle ring 94. Progressed to .348 and .30-06, and Eventually came back to his .30-30 carbine again.
Being old is not a bad thing, it just means you probably know a lot more than the rest of us, and can probably do whatever we do better easier, because you know when to take the shortcut, lol
Yeah I didn’t expect it to go through neither, it really didn’t have the speed that I thought was required, so I’m thinking it was the shape of those bullets
Great video as always. Up in the north of Saskatchewan, my uncle and his 30-30 have accounted for 27 moose in his lifetime. I have no idea how many deer, but I do know that my dad witnessed my uncle shooting a moose at somewhere around 400 yards. Not much energy left in the bullet, but enough to clip the heart. The 30 30 is no slouch!
Love the 30-30. 30-30 for the win. I grew up in a small mining village in Idaho. Its up and down country that's heavily forested with conifers and underbrush. When I was a kid I remember my elderly neighbor took a massive bull elk at close range and he was hanging it whole in his garage. What did he take this large beast down with? You guessed it, a winchester 30-30. That old guy is dead and gone but what he did with that little 30-30 is still in my memory decades later.
@@Leverguns50 The old time 30-30 hunters preferred the 170 grain Remington Corelokt because of the sectional density. My friend shot a big 8 point buck at 25 yards in the neck. The bullet did not exit. It was a 150 grain load. He went back to the 170 grain Remington Corelokt so he can get those classic exits he always had on deer.
Thank you for a terrific video on the power and penetration of my favorite rifle cartridge of all time. I began using the Winchester 30-30 around 1963 and I continue using it for all North American big game animals up to 200 yards. Simply put, it hasn't failed me!
@@Leverguns50 thank you young man. Your videos have been a continued encouragement and incentive to me and my son. I still carry my Winchester model 94 chambered in 30-30, and I have a Marlin 336 chambered in the same caliber. Keep the great videos coming. You are appreciated!
would also like to get into reloading and casting my own 170 grain .30 cal slugs to shoot more economically...another thing that draws me to the .30-30..you don't need a magnum sized case filled with 50 grains of powder to take a deer!
At least with ammo that contains any amount of lead. ALl hunting. Bullets have to be lead free now I believe as it is 2020 and not just on the California Condor range.
Awesome Winchester Model 94 in 30-30 win !!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to shot my Marlin R.C model 336 JM stamped 30-30 win. Thanks for the knowledge about the 30-30 win round, Leverguns 50 !!!!!!!!!!!!
I keep an old Ted Williams (cheaper Winchester) behind the seat of my truck. All the time friends laugh and tell me how weak it is... I feel comfortable with my "long gun/truck gun"choice. Thank you sir for the video.
Great cartridge and rifle. Proofs in the freezer and hanging on my wall. I couldn’t tell in the vid. How did the cast bullet hold up? Did it stay together or come apart?
Ended up not video on it, hope to do another video with it tomorrow, sometimes I have a bad habit of not turning on the cameras at the worst possible time, so I’m going to chalk this one up to technical difficulties lol, your bullets hold up really good, thanks for teaching me how to do the powder coating, so far it seems pretty easy, how do you keep the bullets from sticking to the tray?
My buddy had his dad’s model ‘94, I had dad’s K98… both shot an abandoned boiler. thuddie-thuddie left a dimple, 8mm mauser (remington soft point) punched a clean hole and a grapefruit size dent on the other side of the boiler.
I watched this backwards and it looked like you were folding designer jeans at the gap, $100 for jeans with pre made holes. I think you can sell them back.
Yes I sure have noticed that, used to everyone called it under powered, but now with all these weak AR cartridges they can’t say that anymore because they’re hunting with 300 blackout such, it’s funny how they change their tune. But the 30-30 is still the same old awesome cartridge
@@Leverguns50 it really is quite the round. I don't hunt with mine, but I got a 336 from my grandfather years ago and its lots of fun to shoot. It took a while to get it set the way I want with the factory sights. I got some funny looks at the range adjusting the sights with a hammer and punch. Now that they're on pretty well, I'm thinking of adding a 1-4x20 or 2-7x32 style scope.
levers and 30-30's, a combo that will always work great for deer in the east where clear shots beyond 150 yds are uncommon and usually around 50-70 yds, quick handling and quick cycling with practice...they are just fine.
With proper reloading the 7.62 x 39 can I actually produce 1800 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle which is pretty impressive, but if you just go with factory loads Hornady lever 160 grain FTX has more energy at 100 yards out of the 30-30 then the average 7.62 x 39 has at the muzzle, but of course some good handloads could narrow that down a lot, I wish somebody would bring out a lever action in 7.62 x39 I thought about getting one in 223 but that just seems like too smaller caliber for most game animals, however the 7.62 x 39 would be perfect
2 year old video but this is fascinating that the 30-30 went through the armor plate. Here is what I find particularly interesting, in the middle ages there was a huge variety of arrow/bolt heads some used for flesh or cloth, some for piecing armor. The medieval armor piercing arrow heads tend to be very stout and stubby, I always found that odd, I figured very sharp pointed arrows would be more effective, then I watched testing done on period correct plate armor and chainmail. It turns out that very pointed arrow heads tend to break or bend the tips diverting its path, either deflecting the arrow or breaking the shaft. While the stout even flat headed tips bit into the metal more effectively transferring the energy of the projectile into the target causing penetration. I think we are seeing a really similar thing happen here. I would wager the higher velocity pointed bullets yaw on impact and disintegrate, but the flat nose 30-30 digs right into the plate much more efficiently transferring energy.
Daddy bought me a 336 marlin 30/30 when i was 14yrs old im 62 yrs old now and i still hunt with that same old rifle, it aint pretty but its no telling how many deer ive killed with that ole gun down here in the deep south, i put a scope on it probably 30yrs. Ago now still use remington core lokt 150gr ammo i run a rod and brush through the barrel 2 or 3 times a year and wipe it down with a oily rag ever once in a while and it still goes boom
The 30/30 is a great gun/cartridge. . I own 2 of them and will never sell them. The 30/30 gained a bad reputation from the gun manufacturers and advertisers/magazines and sponsored video reviews. They simply want you to buy newer more expensive guns. It is all about marketing.
Remember the Lee Marvin/Charles Bronson movie "Death Hunt"? The "Mad Trapper" Bronson fictionally portrayed was a real guy who was tracked by the Mounties and posse and he was deadly with his Savage 1899 .30-30. Also, in the Mojave Desert hunt for "Willie Boy" in 1909 everyone in the posse carried a Winchester 1894 as did Willie boy. He was also a deadly marksman with his stolen .30-30. And Frank Hamer used a 94 .30-30 early on as a Ranger, also a .25 Remington Model 8 and a Savage 1899, probably I think in .30-30. Except for pointy bullets, who could tell if they were shot with a .30-30 or an AK47.
30-30 is wonderful. I enjoy your work, and watch all your videos if I can. My 30-30 was built in 1952 and still works like a charm, but I'm hung up on my Marlin 45-70s. I love'em. QUESTION: How can I get the concession to sell you denims? If I can do that, I'll make a fortune! All the best and keep it up with the videos.
I shot my 1976 Marlin 336C in 30-30 every weekend shooting water jugs and the like, always puts on a great show. Very under estimated round and that must be rumor by people that don't own them because if you own a rifle that shoots 30-30 there is no way you can assess that as a weak round. Utterly ridiculous.
Yep I know there has, A 22 Long rifle probably killed more livestock than anything else, well I don’t know about that my grandpa said he always use the 22 shorts
Leverguns 50 no the 3030 ther isn’t no one back in the day and to this day that don’t hunt with a 3030 Winchester it was in every household back in the day behind everyone’s door or in the closet wen you didn’t have to lock them away
Leverguns 50 why would you hunt a deer with a 22 you want to take em down first shot you want to put them out of ther miserie it’s not fair to the animal if you don’t do it with a 22;and he gets away it’s a total waste and it ends up dying far away from we’re you short I seen that the other day a dam shame the wolves ended up with it I’m a guy that don’t like to see anything suffer if you can’t put it down in one shot leave it be
@ Jeff everything you say is right...from close enough range though ,15-25 yards, a whitetail can be cleanly killed with a well placed .22LR solidpoint shot base of the skull, hard on the spinal column...they go down quick
I missed this video somehow. Folks mean mouth and laugh at the 30WCF, calling it a "Thuddy Thuddy" and such. It is one of the all time greatest, all around cartridges. I think it's funny when I hear about it not being good enough to hunt _____ with. It has taken everything in North America just fine. From grouse to grizzly, it has done it. African dangerous game, I would want something more, but it would probably do the job on most of those too with good shot placement.
You said it!! Shot placement!! Four years ago I killed a six point white tail with a Rossi.357 with a four inch barrel. Useing pmc hollow point 38 special open sights I wasn’t even deer hunting at the time was out shooting jack Rabbits. Six point buck just appeared out of no were. I whistle and it stopped and looked around. I took careful aim one shot. It was over.
@ You bet! I heard of a grizzly bear that was killed with a 22 LR. It stood up in front of them, a lucky panic shot went into the eye, then the brain. A 22 is not a bear gun, but it worked.
My favorite rifle is a 1984 built in 1917, 26 inch round barrel with a full length magazine tube and crescent butt stock. A original marble tang peep sights. It's the only lever action I own that will shoot moa with carefully loaded ammo. I'll probably be buried with it (hahaha) My other Winchesters are about 2 moa.
Ol 30-30’s and 22lr have killed more whitetail deer than anything else. I would about bet money on that 😂 also for the guys sayin that the 30-30 is underpowered is also shooting a 300 mag probably 😂
I agree, but makes me wonder since the 22 short been out longer what has it done, grandpa said when he was young it was more popular than the long rifle, because it was cheaper
@@Leverguns50 if it was cheaper today, it would be more popular than it is. They shoot great from my Henry rifle. They are a fair bit more expensive than 22lr. I just like the greater capacity in the Henry's tube magazine.
I started my centrefire hunting with the humble Winchester 94 in 30-30. I used it for pest culling of Goats, Feral Cats, Foxes, Rabbits without any issues. I personally would recommend it to anyone wanting to hunt pigs, goats, deer etc. The keyboard idiots talking crap about the gun are most likely gamers or the type that like to sit at the range with their tactical rifle with a million gadgets hanging off it and being amazed at how they can shoot a 6 inch group at 100 metres with their scoped cannons. I know we have all seen these people, I ignore them and do my things and enjoy.
Using the wet cotton as a ballistic medium is pretty smart. Saw a You Tube moose hunt using a .30-30 using Buffalo Bore ammo. Took the moose down with one shot at over 100 yards. Are you still in touch with North 61?
Hey brother! Had to come back to this video and check out the .30-30 performance again. Did you ever do the investigation on flat-nose bullets and the penetration power of this load, why it was performing greater than the other calibers on that plate? Were these handloads you'd made? I think you mentioned a 140gr bullet.
it is crazy how gun writers and forum posts had convinced me over the years that the .30-30 is a completely weak, inaccurate, and anemic round, surely to wound a deer...but I've been watching vids of older hunters talking about the .30-30 and can't stop praising it as the perfect round for woodland deer hunting...they even went so far as to say that the .30-06 is much to overkill for deer...I'll definitely be looking to purchase an authentic model 94 in .30-30
I've taken well over 50 deer with a 30-30, and I would say the majority of them dropped in their tracks. If the shot placement is decent not perfect just decent it does a really good job, in fact I would say that does a better job than even more powerful guns do that are using pointed bullets, that Flatnose bullet just makes it more effective in my opinion.
A bit off topic, but Hornaday has quietly discontinued their .348 bullets. They are still available at a couple distributors, but they are getting scarce. Get 'em while you can!
I really appreciate the heads up, I looked couple days ago and I saw that they didn’t have it on their website anymore,, but it’s not really a problem for me because I can resize down 358 diameter bullets,
A video idea,if you have any burrs inside the rifle take 600 sandpaper and slick it up or if you don’t it still will be educational for new lever action individuals good day to you
People will always have their opinions. I’ve had folks talk about me and my so called outdated, antique Lever-actions lol. 30-30 and 35rem are still badass calibers!
It’s about a 77 model, I got that barrel from gun parts associates and put it on there probably 20+ years ago, probably got about 50 deer with that gun
There is an explanation of why the flat nose penetrated that steel plate better than the pointed nose bullet. The flat nose produces what engineers refer to as a "punching shear" on impact with the plate, where as the pointed nose crushes on impact absorbing some of the force before it can be transferred to the steel plate. In the ballistic material, the flat nose will penetrate straight line, also because of punching shear. When driving pipe piles we use a flat bottom to take advantage of this effect, allowing the pile to drive deeper with less energy and the flat bottom piles do not curve as much. And yes, some dumb ass in a gun store stopped me when I was buying 30-30 ammo, asking why I was hunting with such weak ammo.....I just looked at him, shook my head, and kept walking.
Tony Rome, that’s what I was thinking, but I didn’t know how to word it, thank you for the explanation I really appreciate it, from what I’ve seen the good old 30-30 drops more deer dead in its tracks then bigger more powerful guns like 308, 270.
@@Leverguns50 not sure about that. Being 308 & 30-30 can use the same exact bullets. I get the flat nose theory & i can agree. Most deer i shoot do drop with the 308 too. Not a lot of difference in the 2, just one has the potential to be faster bc it holds more powder & a little more pressure. But IMO mostly shot placement could be the difference in any round dropping large game & running a short distance, if you making good shots they not going far if any at all! I've been doing some thinking & testing with soft point flat nose & poly pointed expanding 150gr for .308. But so far looking like the blunt soft points may have the advantage. The shockwave you get (that you see in gel) i think has a lot to do with ammo type & making that deer go lights out!
Good video bud I enjoyed it!👍
I agree with what you’re saying, my brother Hunts with a 308 but he said the pointed Bullet to use just don’t drop them like when he hunted with a 30-30, i’ve also hunted with people that hunted with the 7MM and other guns and their deer we had to track sometimes, however I’ve never used appointed Bullet other than the FTX on a deer yet, so I personally don’t have experience with the difference on deer. I think you’re on the right track, I take that back I have shot a some deer with you 300 Winchester short magnum and those were pointed bullets, I remember at least two of the deer dropped in their tracks one of them flopped around a little bit, The big 10 point got away I later found its bones, it was a longshot though, probably not long for a 300 mag but long for me
Simple physics , but none of these coffee drinkin walking cell phones get it , and they never will.
@@Leverguns50 My first buck and second deer i shot with a 7mm-08 remington model 7 using winchester silver casing black tip ammo, never in my life have i seen such little blood from a deer being shot by a PERFECT shot (Not to toot my own horn, my accuracy has dropped with the development of a flinch) that caused a deer to go no less than 20 yards.
I still say the only people complaining that 30-30 isnt enough to humanely hunt deer are the same ones that cant put a bullet in a 5 inch circle at 25 yards with a rifle.
5 inches at 25 yards, would be an extremely poor shot, with anything, lol
Leverguns 50 exactly
The problem is nobody hunts anymore. 300 yard shots are now the order of the day. Hunting has become target shooting with live animals. These "New" super bullets that are pointed really don't make a difference out in the woods. The spire point nonsense started with gun writers. There have always been rifles that could shoot pointed bullets. I have a 99 Savage and my buddy has a 340 Savage. The problem is nobody made a pointed bullet that would expand at 30-30 velocities. The ultimate folly was "Putting one pointed bullet in the chamber". If you have to reinvent a cartridge, buy a different gun.
My brother shoots deer at approximately a mile away. The 30-30 round is so slow the deer has time to walk out of the way before the bullet gets there. Me and him both have switched to the 22-250.
@@dalerobinson7900 uh huh
The 22 and 30-30 are the two most under estimated rounds
I know that’s right, thanks for watching
Agreed
Also the 410 shotgun
@@williambeglen4771 000 and 00 buck and slug oh yeah.
My grandpa always said if a 22 can do it, a 30-30 can do it better so he never had a 22, only rifle he ever trusted was a model 94 and his dads old garand
The Winchester 94 30/30 & The Winchester 92 44 Magnum are my two favorite Rifles and Calibers
Other rifles come and go but the 30-30 strays and stays. Easy to carry, easy to maintain. Can't ask for anything better.
Thank you
30-30 is here to stay. I just plain works. And not just on deer. It's enough gun for just about anything. Just get close enough. It's called hunting. Not just sniping at 1000 yds.
Just got a pre-64 vintage Model 94 in .30-30 from my Uncle Mitch for my graduation. Been passed down the family since my Great-grandfather Brassard. Gotta clean up some rust and grease the lever but wood grain on the stock is almost flawless. Something like that is timeless.
It’s really good to have something that’s passed down in the family that can still be used as intended, and pass down some more
It's easy to overlook 30/30 because it's so common, but it never fails to bring a smile to my face shooting water jugs, melons, etc... I've not even been tempted to let my Model 94 go. Took a deer with it less than 10 minutes into my first deer hunt with it 6-8 years ago. It's a keeper.
don't ever let that thing go.
@@jiveturkey9993 Couldn't if i wanted to. It's one of my guns that more than one of our five boys want. I need four more Model 94's.
Seems like it’s never a good idea to get rid of a good lever action
@@Leverguns50 Heck no buy more leverguns
John Wallace that’s right👍
Definitely couldn't agree more. Never underestimate a 30-30. It'll drop a black bear, it'll drop a deer, it'll drop whatever you hit with in and then keep going. Out here in the northern appalachians where the forests are thicker than you can imagine im never disappointed with the penetration power.
Appreciate appreciate your comment, thanks for watching
Buffalo Bore makes a 190gr Hawk bullet load for it, that moves this cartridge into large game effectivity.
Excellent video brother! You took the 300 blackout comment right out of my mouth. The 94/336 are both excellent rifles even today. The 30-30 still gets the job done, even well after 100 years.
Thank you so much
A 7.62X39 sp's out of a Ruger American is my go to in NC.......Pretty close fps......be well.
I am in no way an expert on the 30-30 but I do know that a relative of mine has one and hunts with it and has never had any issue bringing home the bacon. He mostly hunted wild boar.
Peace To All!
Thanks for watching brother
I've never heard of boar hunting with a 30-30 but I could definitely see it working out well. Boars are tough, 30-30 will knock them down when it hits them
Wow!
Nice holes from 30 30!
🙋♂️🇫🇮
Thank you
My Dad always said if he could blow a hole completely through a deer, he didn't need a bigger rifle. He started with a .30-30 saddle ring 94. Progressed to .348 and .30-06, and Eventually came back to his .30-30 carbine again.
I grew up with the 30/30 model 94 .
This was the go to hunting rifle and cartridge .
Still to this day is my go to geter done gun !
It is a very useful cartridge gun combo
Holy crap. I had no idea the 30-30 would go through that plate. Wow! Awesome video, LG 👍👍👍👍
Well as you can tell I didn’t think it would either, lol, thanks for watching brother
Damn 30-30 is no joke!!! This was my first rifle too when hunting..
Thank you
I like the 30-30, but I'm an old man
Being old is not a bad thing, it just means you probably know a lot more than the rest of us, and can probably do whatever we do better easier, because you know when to take the shortcut, lol
You’re not alone I’m young
Hey man, wear that grey hair and those wrinkles with pride! It means you are a survivor! Yeah, I'm that old, too.....
Me too.
I’m 14😂
I was not expecting that 30-30 to go through that steel and so far into them jeans mighty impressed
Yeah I didn’t expect it to go through neither, it really didn’t have the speed that I thought was required, so I’m thinking it was the shape of those bullets
@@Leverguns50 yeah thats what im thnking too
Probably my favorite rifle cartridge. More power than intermediate rounds without the buck of a belted Magnum in a handy, fast shooting rifle.
Great video as always. Up in the north of Saskatchewan, my uncle and his 30-30 have accounted for 27 moose in his lifetime. I have no idea how many deer, but I do know that my dad witnessed my uncle shooting a moose at somewhere around 400 yards. Not much energy left in the bullet, but enough to clip the heart. The 30 30 is no slouch!
I can only imagine, i’d love to get one moose, that’s a super cool story thanks for sharing
I have a Marlin 336, made in 1986 according to the serial number lookup, that I got at a gun show a couple years ago. It's a gem.
Those are some awesome gun specially the older ones without the safety
@@Leverguns50 marlin started the crossbolt safety in 83 or 84
Love the 30-30. 30-30 for the win.
I grew up in a small mining village in Idaho. Its up and down country that's heavily forested with conifers and underbrush. When I was a kid I remember my elderly neighbor took a massive bull elk at close range and he was hanging it whole in his garage. What did he take this large beast down with? You guessed it, a winchester 30-30. That old guy is dead and gone but what he did with that little 30-30 is still in my memory decades later.
The little old 30-30 still an awesome cartridge, Love the story, thank you for sharing it
@@Leverguns50 The old time 30-30 hunters preferred the 170 grain Remington Corelokt because of the sectional density. My friend shot a big 8 point buck at 25 yards in the neck. The bullet did not exit. It was a 150 grain load. He went back to the 170 grain Remington Corelokt so he can get those classic exits he always had on deer.
just got a mar 336. LOVE IT. very capable round, the 30-30 is. Its accurate, too. Good range wpn, for plinking and sport shooting.
Thank you for a terrific video on the power and penetration of my favorite rifle cartridge of all time. I began using the Winchester 30-30 around 1963 and I continue using it for all North American big game animals up to 200 yards. Simply put, it hasn't failed me!
I’m glad you enjoyed it
@@Leverguns50 thank you young man. Your videos have been a continued encouragement and incentive to me and my son. I still carry my Winchester model 94 chambered in 30-30, and I have a Marlin 336 chambered in the same caliber. Keep the great videos coming. You are appreciated!
Thank you so much for the encouragement, i’ll do my best to keep bringing good videos and even try to improve them
170 grainers killed a lot of deer, in American History.
Christ bless!
Them 3030 bullets got plenty of fire on them. I consider the 3030 to be one of the all-time best rounds. GREAT video!
Thank you so much I appreciate that, 30-30 has really outdone itself
Great comparison on a wide variety of bullets. I like the 30-30. I have 2 model 94s. They kill !
would also like to get into reloading and casting my own 170 grain .30 cal slugs to shoot more economically...another thing that draws me to the .30-30..you don't need a magnum sized case filled with 50 grains of powder to take a deer!
The 170 grain cast bullets work just fine on deer
I’d say anyone who says .30-30 has no power has never fired a 170 grain bullet 2200 fps from a 5.5 pound carbine with no recoil pad.
I’m watching this again, my first high powered rifle was a 30/30 fine guns especially yours 👍
Thank you
@@Leverguns50 took my 30/30 out this weekend and still got it.
It’s illegal to hunt britches in California, sadly.
Yeah I can’t go to California, but everything is illegal in California, that’s not wrong and immoral lol
@@Leverguns50 well said haha.
At least with ammo that contains any amount of lead. ALl hunting. Bullets have to be lead free now I believe as it is 2020 and not just on the California Condor range.
@@Leverguns50 except for the reefer. Reefer is legal in Cali.
@@greggkemp5985 ,
Ha ha. They want to keep you feeling happy as they take everything away.
it must be very popular, it's almost impossible to find 3030 ammo anymore
Because everybody’s buying it up as quick as it it’s the shelves
They 30-30 screams deer hunting! Thanks for sharing brother!
Thank you
LG 50 Love my 94 and been amazed at what it goes through! Good stuff.
I was pretty surprised myself, I have a shot at that plate with bigger more powerful guns that didn’t go through
Awesome Winchester Model 94 in 30-30 win !!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to shot my Marlin R.C model 336 JM stamped 30-30 win. Thanks for the knowledge about the 30-30 win round, Leverguns 50 !!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re welcome, thanks for coming by and sharing
Merry Christmas, Leverguns 50! Fun video!!! I definitely like the 30-30!
It’s a really good cartridge and it comes in a really nice package
There is a reason a lot of back country lawmen at one time or another went with a Winchester or Marlin in .30-30 over the years,
I keep an old Ted Williams (cheaper Winchester) behind the seat of my truck.
All the time friends laugh and tell me how weak it is...
I feel comfortable with my "long gun/truck gun"choice.
Thank you sir for the video.
You’re welcome I’m glad you liked it, I have plenty more where that come from, have a blessed day
I love my 3030 .but my 8mm did a hell of a job too ID like to see ppu 170 gr vrs 150 corelok some day
Great cartridge and rifle. Proofs in the freezer and hanging on my wall. I couldn’t tell in the vid. How did the cast bullet hold up? Did it stay together or come apart?
Ended up not video on it, hope to do another video with it tomorrow, sometimes I have a bad habit of not turning on the cameras at the worst possible time, so I’m going to chalk this one up to technical difficulties lol, your bullets hold up really good, thanks for teaching me how to do the powder coating, so far it seems pretty easy, how do you keep the bullets from sticking to the tray?
Leverguns 50 I’ll do a vid Monday on how i powder coat👍🏻
I always enjoy your videos. Thanks!
Glad to hear that
My buddy had his dad’s model ‘94, I had dad’s K98… both shot an abandoned boiler. thuddie-thuddie left a dimple, 8mm mauser (remington soft point) punched a clean hole and a grapefruit size dent on the other side of the boiler.
Love my '94 Winchester with a model '64 lever for my big paws! Good video
I think the 64 would be awesome
I watched this backwards and it looked like you were folding designer jeans at the gap, $100 for jeans with pre made holes. I think you can sell them back.
I wish I could find somebody to buy some, that way I can keep my ballistic medium relatively hole free lol
30-30 is my #1 deer rifle
its all about what bullet and what load you master up.
Got my first deer with a flintlock muzzleloader
Ever notice how the newer cartridges like 350 Legend and 300 Blackout are compared to the 30-30? The 30-30 is a standard for a reason.
Yes I sure have noticed that, used to everyone called it under powered, but now with all these weak AR cartridges they can’t say that anymore because they’re hunting with 300 blackout such, it’s funny how they change their tune. But the 30-30 is still the same old awesome cartridge
@@Leverguns50 it really is quite the round. I don't hunt with mine, but I got a 336 from my grandfather years ago and its lots of fun to shoot. It took a while to get it set the way I want with the factory sights. I got some funny looks at the range adjusting the sights with a hammer and punch. Now that they're on pretty well, I'm thinking of adding a 1-4x20 or 2-7x32 style scope.
levers and 30-30's, a combo that will always work great for deer in the east where clear shots beyond 150 yds are uncommon and usually around 50-70 yds, quick handling and quick cycling with practice...they are just fine.
Yeah that’s the only kind of forest I used it in, only one time did I ever get a opportunity to shoot out to 164 yards, Still did it’s job just fine
164 yards with a 30-30 is getting out there ...they are starting to drop like a grape off a table at that point...
Love my 336xlr, plenty of power for most game within 150 yards.
Great video, hooray for the '94 in 30-30, still my rifle of choice.
Thank you
I always thought it was a kick ass round, plenty of punch for a person that actually hunts and gets close
Thank you
As usual, a very interesting video essay!
Thank you
in Canada many moose and every thing else had been taken with the 3030 because i v done it
That’s awesome I’d love to hear some of your stories, i’ve never hunted moose, but I think it would be awesome
love the 30wcf mine is a Buffalo Bill Commemorative with a 26 inch octagon barrel. I also have a sears 30-30
I always wanted one of them, how do you basically why I made this one
@@Leverguns50 got this one at a gunshow last year for a steal $400 it looks new.
I just bought another 94 in 30-30. A 24k gold plated Centennial 66, saddle ring carbine, with an octagon barrel.
That’s awesome
So pumped I just bought my first model 94 can’t wait to go shooting
They are a whole Lotta fun to shoot, hopefully you'll find a good source for ammo
Not going well so far can’t even find a box
@@michaelfournier3948 me either.
One amazing gun and the bullets really strong too it enjoy watch this video keep them coming liked 106 thanks for sharing with us
Thank you so much
Heck ya video from levergun50 and on 3030 . Been sorta keeping my eye out for a good 3030. Use to be everywhere. Not so much these days
Everyone’s why I see one at the pawnshop
You are right its more powerful than I thought
With proper reloading the 7.62 x 39 can I actually produce 1800 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle which is pretty impressive, but if you just go with factory loads Hornady lever 160 grain FTX has more energy at 100 yards out of the 30-30 then the average 7.62 x 39 has at the muzzle, but of course some good handloads could narrow that down a lot, I wish somebody would bring out a lever action in 7.62 x39 I thought about getting one in 223 but that just seems like too smaller caliber for most game animals, however the 7.62 x 39 would be perfect
I just got a marlin 336w 30-30 I can't wait to compare it to my 44mag and 45-70 leverguns! Another tool for the toolbox
I’m sure you’re gonna like it
2 year old video but this is fascinating that the 30-30 went through the armor plate. Here is what I find particularly interesting, in the middle ages there was a huge variety of arrow/bolt heads some used for flesh or cloth, some for piecing armor. The medieval armor piercing arrow heads tend to be very stout and stubby, I always found that odd, I figured very sharp pointed arrows would be more effective, then I watched testing done on period correct plate armor and chainmail. It turns out that very pointed arrow heads tend to break or bend the tips diverting its path, either deflecting the arrow or breaking the shaft. While the stout even flat headed tips bit into the metal more effectively transferring the energy of the projectile into the target causing penetration. I think we are seeing a really similar thing happen here. I would wager the higher velocity pointed bullets yaw on impact and disintegrate, but the flat nose 30-30 digs right into the plate much more efficiently transferring energy.
I agree I think you hit on the point
That was awesome. I did a video with 30-30, 35 Remington, and 5.56 on 3/8" mild steel. The 5.56 fmj was the only one that went through.
Try to really 150 grain Core lock with the lead cut off and see how that does
@@Leverguns50 I was using 170 200, and 55. I'll try 150GR.
@@Leverguns50 I just did the test. th-cam.com/video/f6-GOSN2LrM/w-d-xo.html
Daddy bought me a 336 marlin 30/30 when i was 14yrs old im 62 yrs old now and i still hunt with that same old rifle, it aint pretty but its no telling how many deer ive killed with that ole gun down here in the deep south, i put a scope on it probably 30yrs. Ago now still use remington core lokt 150gr ammo i run a rod and brush through the barrel 2 or 3 times a year and wipe it down with a oily rag ever once in a while and it still goes boom
That’s good gun is a real keepsake
30-30 is the only gun I use hunting deer. It's fairly wooded where I live not much need for a long distance gun.
Sounds like the best gun for the job
The 30/30 is a great gun/cartridge. . I own 2 of them and will never sell them.
The 30/30 gained a bad reputation from the gun manufacturers and advertisers/magazines and sponsored video reviews.
They simply want you to buy newer more expensive guns. It is all about marketing.
Remember the Lee Marvin/Charles Bronson movie "Death Hunt"? The "Mad Trapper" Bronson fictionally portrayed was a real guy who was tracked by the Mounties and posse and he was deadly with his Savage 1899 .30-30. Also, in the Mojave Desert hunt for "Willie Boy" in 1909 everyone in the posse carried a Winchester 1894 as did Willie boy. He was also a deadly marksman with his stolen .30-30. And Frank Hamer used a 94 .30-30 early on as a Ranger, also a .25 Remington Model 8 and a Savage 1899, probably I think in .30-30. Except for pointy bullets, who could tell if they were shot with a .30-30 or an AK47.
Death Hunt movie was inspired by famous trapper, Claude Dallas.
I'd like to see 170 grain Swift A Frame bullets. It's the only bonded bullet I know of for the 30-30.
I think they would work really good
.32 Win. Special is the real under appreciated round
The 30-30 works great in a single shot also. I worked up some 220 grain subsonic loads. It is much better than the 300 Blackout.
I think so too
Got a 30 wcf. Made 1907 octagon barrel.great rifle.
That’s super awesome
LVG 50 great video !!!! every thing you make is MORE POWERFUL than i think PERIOD ;-) hahaha
Thank you 👍🥇
30-30 is wonderful. I enjoy your work, and watch all your videos if I can. My 30-30 was built in 1952 and still works like a charm, but I'm hung up on my Marlin 45-70s. I love'em. QUESTION: How can I get the concession to sell you denims? If I can do that, I'll make a fortune! All the best and keep it up with the videos.
It certainly would be nice to be able to sell them, thanks for watching
I've killed my biggest bucks with the 30 30 it just flat works , 200 yds and under where most big game is shot ! It doesn't get much better than that
cool catch stack... suggest
putting a fresher shirt every 3-7 holey ones
to show the damage more clearly
That’s a very good suggestion
Would love to see this with the 170 gr.
As soon as I get the 170 green will do a brush test too
I shot my 1976 Marlin 336C in 30-30 every weekend shooting water jugs and the like, always puts on a great show. Very under estimated round and that must be rumor by people that don't own them because if you own a rifle that shoots 30-30 there is no way you can assess that as a weak round. Utterly ridiculous.
Them old cowboys never complained about the 30-30, and they were smarter then most people today.
Love my 30-30
They are some really sweet shooters
Brother there’s been a lot of deer killed with a 22 long rifle nothing wrong with the 30-30
Yep I know there has, A 22 Long rifle probably killed more livestock than anything else, well I don’t know about that my grandpa said he always use the 22 shorts
Leverguns 50 no the 3030 ther isn’t no one back in the day and to this day that don’t hunt with a 3030 Winchester it was in every household back in the day behind everyone’s door or in the closet wen you didn’t have to lock them away
Randle Richardson 8million of these guns sold and they still make and sell out of Japan miroku no one comes near that I doubt
Leverguns 50 why would you hunt a deer with a 22 you want to take em down first shot you want to put them out of ther miserie it’s not fair to the animal if you don’t do it with a 22;and he gets away it’s a total waste and it ends up dying far away from we’re you short I seen that the other day a dam shame the wolves ended up with it I’m a guy that don’t like to see anything suffer if you can’t put it down in one shot leave it be
@ Jeff everything you say is right...from close enough range though ,15-25 yards, a whitetail can be cleanly killed with a well placed .22LR solidpoint shot base of the skull, hard on the spinal column...they go down quick
I missed this video somehow. Folks mean mouth and laugh at the 30WCF, calling it a "Thuddy Thuddy" and such. It is one of the all time greatest, all around cartridges. I think it's funny when I hear about it not being good enough to hunt _____ with. It has taken everything in North America just fine. From grouse to grizzly, it has done it. African dangerous game, I would want something more, but it would probably do the job on most of those too with good shot placement.
Thank you
You said it!! Shot placement!! Four years ago I killed a six point white tail with a Rossi.357 with a four inch barrel. Useing pmc hollow point 38 special open sights I wasn’t even deer hunting at the time was out shooting jack Rabbits. Six point buck just appeared out of no were. I whistle and it stopped and looked around. I took careful aim one shot. It was over.
@ You bet! I heard of a grizzly bear that was killed with a 22 LR. It stood up in front of them, a lucky panic shot went into the eye, then the brain. A 22 is not a bear gun, but it worked.
I didn't realize 3030 had so much power...
I think it kind of surprised us all
My favorite rifle is a 1984 built in 1917, 26 inch round barrel with a full length magazine tube and crescent butt stock.
A original marble tang peep sights.
It's the only lever action I own that will shoot moa with carefully loaded ammo.
I'll probably be buried with it (hahaha)
My other Winchesters are about 2 moa.
Imagine getting hit with a 30-30 that would be a bad day
Yea it would be
Excellent! By the way what is the barrel length on that Winchester? Somehow I missed that. Very versatile caliber...great comparison of bullets! 👍
It’s a 26 inch barrel
OK, which bullet was the 142 flat point that went through the armor? I couldn't figure it out. Was that a cast bullet?
It was 150 grain Remington salt nose with a nose cut off loaded to near maximum loading data for 140 grain bullet
Ol 30-30’s and 22lr have killed more whitetail deer than anything else. I would about bet money on that 😂 also for the guys sayin that the 30-30 is underpowered is also shooting a 300 mag probably 😂
I agree, but makes me wonder since the 22 short been out longer what has it done, grandpa said when he was young it was more popular than the long rifle, because it was cheaper
@@Leverguns50 if it was cheaper today, it would be more popular than it is. They shoot great from my Henry rifle. They are a fair bit more expensive than 22lr. I just like the greater capacity in the Henry's tube magazine.
I’m impressed
Thank you
Impressive I love my 30-30 but I’m a little worried all those shots and the deer in the background didn’t fall over. 😂
Thank you, That Deer is pretty brave isn’t it
Leverguns 50 hahahahaha tough bugger is holding its ground 😂👍. Thanks for the video keep up your good work 🍻
I started my centrefire hunting with the humble Winchester 94 in 30-30. I used it for pest culling of Goats, Feral Cats, Foxes, Rabbits without any issues. I personally would recommend it to anyone wanting to hunt pigs, goats, deer etc. The keyboard idiots talking crap about the gun are most likely gamers or the type that like to sit at the range with their tactical rifle with a million gadgets hanging off it and being amazed at how they can shoot a 6 inch group at 100 metres with their scoped cannons. I know we have all seen these people, I ignore them and do my things and enjoy.
I agree, i’m glad you put it to good use
Using the wet cotton as a ballistic medium is pretty smart. Saw a You Tube moose hunt using a .30-30 using Buffalo Bore ammo. Took the moose down with one shot at over 100 yards. Are you still in touch with North 61?
Yes, He has a lot of good videos, And some really interesting calibers
Hey brother! Had to come back to this video and check out the .30-30 performance again. Did you ever do the investigation on flat-nose bullets and the penetration power of this load, why it was performing greater than the other calibers on that plate? Were these handloads you'd made? I think you mentioned a 140gr bullet.
I haven’t really done that. I need to get back on that.
Very very cool, Impressive as hell 👍👍🇦🇺..
Thank you
I like my old 336 think I’ll just keep’er.
Those 336s are awesome
Upgrade and buy a 99 Savage. You can buy a .303 Savage too(Almost a 30-30)
I must be a little sleepy but I have been through a couple of times and I can't find what that 140 (or is it 142) grain bullet is.
Don't forget about 32 spl. Another very good hunting round 😊
I have a Lotta videos on it
it is crazy how gun writers and forum posts had convinced me over the years that the .30-30 is a completely weak, inaccurate, and anemic round, surely to wound a deer...but I've been watching vids of older hunters talking about the .30-30 and can't stop praising it as the perfect round for woodland deer hunting...they even went so far as to say that the .30-06 is much to overkill for deer...I'll definitely be looking to purchase an authentic model 94 in .30-30
I've taken well over 50 deer with a 30-30, and I would say the majority of them dropped in their tracks. If the shot placement is decent not perfect just decent it does a really good job, in fact I would say that does a better job than even more powerful guns do that are using pointed bullets, that Flatnose bullet just makes it more effective in my opinion.
A bit off topic, but Hornaday has quietly discontinued their .348 bullets. They are still available at a couple distributors, but they are getting scarce. Get 'em while you can!
I really appreciate the heads up, I looked couple days ago and I saw that they didn’t have it on their website anymore,, but it’s not really a problem for me because I can resize down 358 diameter bullets,
@@Leverguns50, I'm going to look into getting one of those dies. That 180gr Speer should be perfect for whitetails in the KY brush. Thanks!
A video idea,if you have any burrs inside the rifle take 600 sandpaper and slick it up or if you don’t it still will be educational for new lever action individuals good day to you
Thank you 😊
People will always have their opinions. I’ve had folks talk about me and my so called outdated, antique Lever-actions lol. 30-30 and 35rem are still badass calibers!
That’s OK everybody’s entitled to their opinion
@@Leverguns50 that’s the GODs honest truth!
Great info for sure! 👍👍👍😃✌️
Thank you so much
Well yeah. Like an AK/7.62X39 with a heavier bullet and similar velocity.
Awesome Winchester bro.👍how old is that gun now ?
It’s about a 77 model, I got that barrel from gun parts associates and put it on there probably 20+ years ago, probably got about 50 deer with that gun