Surgical strikes and beam overload share the same cool down so you can split cycle the two in order keep your buffed dps in the higher range and the slight dmg de buff from running them both is insignificant enough that on the Son'a intel battlecruiser its worth split cycling the 2, Optimal iso mags for the Son'a intel is 4, you'll need 3 borg doffs to bridge intel procs with the sci,tac and engineering, Obliviating phasers or anything that has decent shield/armor pen or high crit procs
Thank you for the break down and hope you get feeling better! I do really like the Vengeance, though I agree it is so anti Federation it does hurt to play.
10:04 One thing regarding Lt. Pilot seating: you can put AP Lambda 1 and Reinforcements Squadron 1 in there. The former negates all the accuracy penalty and adds confusion to CSV3, while the later will contribute to the H.Y.D.R.A. clicky, making it usable on ships that don't have hangar pets. I use both on my Kwejian Pilot Frigate (which is hilarious because the tiny little fighters it spawns in are half the size of the Kwejian itself) and it's very effective. As a side note: the Kwejian also works great with the Eagle's console too. In fact, the Kwejian works great with almost everything in the 13th Anniversary Bundle. It really is a fantastic ship and easily my best Mudd's ship to date. EDIT: Also the Eudolg has access to exclusive frigate pets, assuming you have the T5 Arabes, which have actual TempOps abilities, and are one of a tiny handful of pets that do (Krenim pets also do, not sure what else.) These abilities will build Entropy on targets which the Eudolg can then detonate. It makes using the Entropy mechanic much, much easier, as the Frigate's abilities are rank 1 and will not often destroy targets, allowing your own consumers to do so instead for better damage. Also allows you to slot things like Gravimetric Conversion and Causal Reversion for healing without feeling bad that you've got fewer Entropy builders.
Support. 100% agree on literally everything said about the Flying V. I was going to name mine Buckley's... because it tastes awful but it works. I just wish there was an option to not have the big stupid V OR.... Change it to ANY letter... It'd be a D. Not an ego thing... I promise it's just to look D-vine while D-stroying all who D-fy me. Totally... not ego.
now, i believe it's the second time i hear you say the vengeance is a starfleet vessel, so allow me to correct that: - the vengeance is NOT a starfleet vessel, it is a SECTION 31 vessel, designed by the kelvin timeline version of Khan, in conjuction with admiral Marcus, who was ALSO of section 31, his position as a starfleet admiral was his disguise, this information is given on the film, but since you expressed your dislike for this movie many times now it wouldn't be surprising to me that you missed the part in the movie where they reveal that (yes the movie isn't that good, but wether you like it or not is not the point here). - the vengeance is designed to be the section 31 version of a warship, and so it's design reflects that, having all the sharp lines and the black hull of a stealth ship as well as a cloak, but beign made to be a frontline ship and not really caring for beign hidden, instead having all it's weapons designed for multi-target battles, reinforced hull, an emphasys on low crew operation to acount for the lack of personel and battle casualties (beign the only federation ship that big actually shown to be flown by only 1 person) and the fastest warp drive the federation could offer at that time, so it could answer to threats that much faster. also great video and i hope u feel better soon! oh and you can stop saying the vengeace is a starfleet vessel that goes against everthing starfleet is because, it is not, a starfleet vessel.
@@kanaric if it is or isn't acording to starfleet's shenanigans isn't the point, the point is that it is not a starfleet vessel, so their philosophy does not apply to begin with.
I got a LTS when the game launched so I've just been dropping in periodically playing missions with my T6 Fleet Nebula along with an Attack Wing Promo Sovereign (Vizier?) and Galaxy variants so got the Maquis Raider by your advice to pick up stuff for my Vulcan Science Officer and it is shocking to me how much more damage I'm doing with a kitbashed jalopy than anything I've ever used. Insanity!
Not only does the Pythus have built in Beam overload it's console layout and station layout itself do allow for the highest damage output of any shuttlecraft as far as i can tell.
Dude I wish the ships in STO had way more weapon slots. I understand that it's more balanced right now but if they could add one more aft and fore slots that would be sick. Like for instance, if they released a Borg cube ship, it would have a maximum of 8 weapon slots which is silly.
One thing worth noting is the xindi sistruus has one of the best experimental weapons in the game. Experimental Proton Charge. In a target rich environment it can out-damage all others. I don't think it's worth the lobi but maybe someone who's trying to maximize DPS could use it?
Quick question: I think the trait of the Husnock warship applies to Beam Overload as well from what I've read. Is the 25% Cat2 damage from that trait better than the 100% Cat1 damage from Preferential Targeting? Or are they about comparable to each other?
The Husnock's trait is a Cat2 buff, you can tell because it say "Bonus Damage" in the tooltip. In terms of the actual buff, it's about even to Preferential Targeting's 100% Cat1 buff. The Husnock's trait is good, but isn't used as often because it requires the use of Temporal abilities and/or Directed Energy Modulation. DEM requires a specific duty officer to be of much use, and even with it, it's kinda fallen out of the energy weapon meta. But if you're using a ship with Temporal seating, then yeah, it's good to use. I tend to like Preferential more because it gives me an excuse to throw a cannon on there and get some spread damage on the build, because BO is a very single target build.
@@Stu1701 That makes sense for sure. I'm running an Overload build on the Sagan, so I'm using the Temporal abilities for Unconventional Systems and do have the DOff for DEM. My thought was that I could take off Scatter Volley I (because I don't have cannons on my build) and put in Attack Pattern Beta I and use the Husnock's trait to still get the damage. Do you think that would be better in this instance?
Must have from phoenix box lol of anything to me a must have is bajorian interceptor for console and experimental weapon as for ground gear of those hand blades I like them as my malee weapon
Trouble with my keyraider is. It got basically declared in its ability. With the only reason I would want, this ship is for doing some of the cling on recruit items, but the debts have kind of made the console weaker.😅
Question with the trait Preferential Targeting. I am running Antiproton s on the Hydra with a Beam Overload setup. I am using the Baul Antiproton dual beam banks, in part because they jump to other targets and increase my AOE abilities. So adding cannons to this to get the most out of PT, should I go with beams and one heavy cannon or cannons with one dual beam bank? For a second question since I thinking about making an alt a carrier/pet build, what are some of the better carriers to go after for it? C-Store is the easiest to get obviously but if a Lobi or lock box ship is significantly better I can go after one of them with the next event campaign.
You could mix in one Dual Heavy Cannon. I do it all the time on Phaser BO builds to get the Terran Task Force Cannon on. Its a nice way of adding some spread damage to a BO build. This works best with something with Miracle Worker seating because of Mixed Armament Synergy, but you can get away with it an non-MW too. But just the one, any more and you may as well just got all the way with cannons and do CSV instead, and then there'd be no point for PT. Are you wanting a traditional Sci Carrier, or Flight Deck Carrier? For the former, the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier (C-store ship) is probably the best option, it has good seating and has the Wingmen Mechanic. For a flight deck carrier, the best one is probably the Miracle Worker Flight Deck Carrier, either the Constitution or D7 version (both are pretty much the same stats-wise, but the D7 has a much better trait), but those are Promo ships. A good C-store alternative would be the Cardassian Ghemor Intel Flight Deck Carrier.
Still not something I'd pick over an SRO or a Watcher. Boff cooldowns can already been lowered in several better ways, like an Aux2Bat build, Improved Photonic Officer, or the Boimler Effect.
I was thinking about grabbing the Vengeance just for the console, but it says it only works on Kelvin ships? I thought they did away with all of that crap.
I got a Science ship from the lobby stor but it moved like a pregnant safe so i wont back to my old temporal ship. Science is fun but the ships are always so slow moving and the turn rate is a drag.
You are not making it easier to pick a event ship. :p I want like 5 ships and can only pick one. Maquis Raider, NX Refit, Vengeance, Deimos, and Mirror Warship. >.
aren't you doing the event? i was going for a premium ship, but after some thought i decided to get the 1500 lobi to get some consoles and a ground weapon.
@@lino222 I have it now got it for 700 lobi because I started playing consistent while also playing bf2042. I did get some ground weapons with lobi and they are amazing!!!plus I learned that going to advanced uniform give me cool looking armor. So now I really play the game everyday plus my ground team all look like they ate wearing cool looking armor just need to give them all better ground weapons.
@@K3nny24 i actually decided to get the D7 Miracle Worker, that was my first choice before considering getting the lobi. i would get the Dsc phaser rifle, bioneural console, the vengeance and the boimler effect...vengeance is cheaper getting it from exchange, and the rest i'll get it later.
He's going for that cartoon supervillian look... 🤣 Every time I see it he reminds me of this Bono Family Guy clip. th-cam.com/video/_7Np6L1JFTw/w-d-xo.html
I hope you feel better soon Stu. You are my key source for STO info.
The Vengeance is a beast but all ships in STO need more weapon and hangar-bay slots.
Apparently, the engine would have massive trouble, Re: hangar bays, at least.
Hope you feel better soon! Great to see a new video.
Not back to 100% yet, but definitely doing better than I was a couple days ago.
Great video for people newer to the game. I hope you’re feeling better soon.
Surgical strikes and beam overload share the same cool down so you can split cycle the two in order keep your buffed dps in the higher range and the slight dmg de buff from running them both is insignificant enough that on the Son'a intel battlecruiser its worth split cycling the 2,
Optimal iso mags for the Son'a intel is 4, you'll need 3 borg doffs to bridge intel procs with the sci,tac and engineering,
Obliviating phasers or anything that has decent shield/armor pen or high crit procs
Thank you for the break down and hope you get feeling better! I do really like the Vengeance, though I agree it is so anti Federation it does hurt to play.
10:04 One thing regarding Lt. Pilot seating: you can put AP Lambda 1 and Reinforcements Squadron 1 in there. The former negates all the accuracy penalty and adds confusion to CSV3, while the later will contribute to the H.Y.D.R.A. clicky, making it usable on ships that don't have hangar pets. I use both on my Kwejian Pilot Frigate (which is hilarious because the tiny little fighters it spawns in are half the size of the Kwejian itself) and it's very effective.
As a side note: the Kwejian also works great with the Eagle's console too. In fact, the Kwejian works great with almost everything in the 13th Anniversary Bundle. It really is a fantastic ship and easily my best Mudd's ship to date.
EDIT: Also the Eudolg has access to exclusive frigate pets, assuming you have the T5 Arabes, which have actual TempOps abilities, and are one of a tiny handful of pets that do (Krenim pets also do, not sure what else.) These abilities will build Entropy on targets which the Eudolg can then detonate. It makes using the Entropy mechanic much, much easier, as the Frigate's abilities are rank 1 and will not often destroy targets, allowing your own consumers to do so instead for better damage. Also allows you to slot things like Gravimetric Conversion and Causal Reversion for healing without feeling bad that you've got fewer Entropy builders.
Support.
100% agree on literally everything said about the Flying V. I was going to name mine Buckley's... because it tastes awful but it works. I just wish there was an option to not have the big stupid V OR.... Change it to ANY letter... It'd be a D. Not an ego thing... I promise it's just to look D-vine while D-stroying all who D-fy me. Totally... not ego.
Thanks again DW for the thorough look at 8.0! Ocean Skin for heli!
now, i believe it's the second time i hear you say the vengeance is a starfleet vessel, so allow me to correct that:
- the vengeance is NOT a starfleet vessel, it is a SECTION 31 vessel, designed by the kelvin timeline version of Khan, in conjuction with admiral Marcus, who was ALSO of section 31, his position as a starfleet admiral was his disguise, this information is given on the film, but since you expressed your dislike for this movie many times now it wouldn't be surprising to me that you missed the part in the movie where they reveal that (yes the movie isn't that good, but wether you like it or not is not the point here).
- the vengeance is designed to be the section 31 version of a warship, and so it's design reflects that, having all the sharp lines and the black hull of a stealth ship as well as a cloak, but beign made to be a frontline ship and not really caring for beign hidden, instead having all it's weapons designed for multi-target battles, reinforced hull, an emphasys on low crew operation to acount for the lack of personel and battle casualties (beign the only federation ship that big actually shown to be flown by only 1 person) and the fastest warp drive the federation could offer at that time, so it could answer to threats that much faster.
also great video and i hope u feel better soon!
oh and you can stop saying the vengeace is a starfleet vessel that goes against everthing starfleet is because, it is not, a starfleet vessel.
@@kanaric if it is or isn't acording to starfleet's shenanigans isn't the point, the point is that it is not a starfleet vessel, so their philosophy does not apply to begin with.
Yeah the whole point was that it was built in secret and would have been considered illegal so it actually is anti starfleet.
I got a LTS when the game launched so I've just been dropping in periodically playing missions with my T6 Fleet Nebula along with an Attack Wing Promo Sovereign (Vizier?) and Galaxy variants so got the Maquis Raider by your advice to pick up stuff for my Vulcan Science Officer and it is shocking to me how much more damage I'm doing with a kitbashed jalopy than anything I've ever used. Insanity!
Im not surprised you have the opinion you do on the vengeance.
Not only does the Pythus have built in Beam overload it's console layout and station layout itself do allow for the highest damage output of any shuttlecraft as far as i can tell.
Get better soon my bro from a loyal fleet member Qu'Pla
Get well soon man, thanks for the video
Ok I agree that into darkness definitely isn't a great trek movie, but calling it the worst when Inurrection exists is just wrong
i stand by my statement
Everyone knows TMP is the worst.
i'm sorry, but Star Trek beyond was written by a 6 year old !
@@Armand79th TMP is under appreciated by people with short attention spans. It's the anti JJ movie.
Great video Stu, I just got the Iktomi with e.c. last week for my Tetryon build.
Dude I wish the ships in STO had way more weapon slots. I understand that it's more balanced right now but if they could add one more aft and fore slots that would be sick. Like for instance, if they released a Borg cube ship, it would have a maximum of 8 weapon slots which is silly.
Apparently, the engine would have SERIOUS problems with more than 8 weapons or more than 2 hangar bays on a ship.
One thing worth noting is the xindi sistruus has one of the best experimental weapons in the game.
Experimental Proton Charge.
In a target rich environment it can out-damage all others.
I don't think it's worth the lobi but maybe someone who's trying to maximize DPS could use it?
Thanks, looking forward to the next one.
Is there any story mission equipment you would consider to be must have/nice to have?
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How dare you say the Vengeance is "butt ugly"....HOW DARE YOU SIR. :D
Quick question: I think the trait of the Husnock warship applies to Beam Overload as well from what I've read. Is the 25% Cat2 damage from that trait better than the 100% Cat1 damage from Preferential Targeting? Or are they about comparable to each other?
The Husnock's trait is a Cat2 buff, you can tell because it say "Bonus Damage" in the tooltip. In terms of the actual buff, it's about even to Preferential Targeting's 100% Cat1 buff. The Husnock's trait is good, but isn't used as often because it requires the use of Temporal abilities and/or Directed Energy Modulation. DEM requires a specific duty officer to be of much use, and even with it, it's kinda fallen out of the energy weapon meta. But if you're using a ship with Temporal seating, then yeah, it's good to use.
I tend to like Preferential more because it gives me an excuse to throw a cannon on there and get some spread damage on the build, because BO is a very single target build.
@@Stu1701 That makes sense for sure. I'm running an Overload build on the Sagan, so I'm using the Temporal abilities for Unconventional Systems and do have the DOff for DEM. My thought was that I could take off Scatter Volley I (because I don't have cannons on my build) and put in Attack Pattern Beta I and use the Husnock's trait to still get the damage. Do you think that would be better in this instance?
yeah, that would be a good trade-off. The Husnock's trait should do about as well as Preferential, and AP Beta will definitely improve things further.
Must have from phoenix box lol of anything to me a must have is bajorian interceptor for console and experimental weapon as for ground gear of those hand blades I like them as my malee weapon
Trouble with my keyraider is. It got basically declared in its ability. With the only reason I would want, this ship is for doing some of the cling on recruit items, but the debts have kind of made the console weaker.😅
Mostly looking forward to the space equipment video tbh but thanks for making these. Wish they'd add more ships to lobbi and Phoenix stores.
Question with the trait Preferential Targeting. I am running Antiproton s on the Hydra with a Beam Overload setup. I am using the Baul Antiproton dual beam banks, in part because they jump to other targets and increase my AOE abilities. So adding cannons to this to get the most out of PT, should I go with beams and one heavy cannon or cannons with one dual beam bank?
For a second question since I thinking about making an alt a carrier/pet build, what are some of the better carriers to go after for it? C-Store is the easiest to get obviously but if a Lobi or lock box ship is significantly better I can go after one of them with the next event campaign.
You could mix in one Dual Heavy Cannon. I do it all the time on Phaser BO builds to get the Terran Task Force Cannon on. Its a nice way of adding some spread damage to a BO build. This works best with something with Miracle Worker seating because of Mixed Armament Synergy, but you can get away with it an non-MW too. But just the one, any more and you may as well just got all the way with cannons and do CSV instead, and then there'd be no point for PT.
Are you wanting a traditional Sci Carrier, or Flight Deck Carrier? For the former, the Jem'Hadar Vanguard Carrier (C-store ship) is probably the best option, it has good seating and has the Wingmen Mechanic. For a flight deck carrier, the best one is probably the Miracle Worker Flight Deck Carrier, either the Constitution or D7 version (both are pretty much the same stats-wise, but the D7 has a much better trait), but those are Promo ships. A good C-store alternative would be the Cardassian Ghemor Intel Flight Deck Carrier.
I am planning to get the paradox and temporal destroyer only for the consoles. I really want them for my temporal main ship.
xindi officer has a nice cool down on tac powers impatient star ship officer
Still not something I'd pick over an SRO or a Watcher. Boff cooldowns can already been lowered in several better ways, like an Aux2Bat build, Improved Photonic Officer, or the Boimler Effect.
Hope you get to feeling better! Also, you have the wrong description on this video.
I was thinking about grabbing the Vengeance just for the console, but it says it only works on Kelvin ships? I thought they did away with all of that crap.
Must be an outdated tooltip. The Vengeance's console, Broadside Emitters, can be equipped on any ship.
@@Stu1701 Awesome! Thanks!
I got a Science ship from the lobby stor but it moved like a pregnant safe so i wont back to my old temporal ship. Science is fun but the ships are always so slow moving and the turn rate is a drag.
You are not making it easier to pick a event ship. :p I want like 5 ships and can only pick one. Maquis Raider, NX Refit, Vengeance, Deimos, and Mirror Warship. >.
Have you ever parsed the broadside emitter array???? Its poop.
waiting on a lobi sale, I have 2000 lobi. Getting 2 ships an gear.
do you have receipts for that lobi? irs will be visiting...soon!
I didnt get the „must have“ - ones!!😂
Next Lobi sale I want the husnock
The Vengeance class is the only ship I want lol and I have only 54 lobi
aren't you doing the event? i was going for a premium ship, but after some thought i decided to get the 1500 lobi to get some consoles and a ground weapon.
@@lino222 I have it now got it for 700 lobi because I started playing consistent while also playing bf2042. I did get some ground weapons with lobi and they are amazing!!!plus I learned that going to advanced uniform give me cool looking armor. So now I really play the game everyday plus my ground team all look like they ate wearing cool looking armor just need to give them all better ground weapons.
@@lino222 what consoles and weapons are you looking at?
@@K3nny24 i actually decided to get the D7 Miracle Worker, that was my first choice before considering getting the lobi.
i would get the Dsc phaser rifle, bioneural console, the vengeance and the boimler effect...vengeance is cheaper getting it from exchange, and the rest i'll get it later.
Where is th lobi store
Vengeance!
They changed all the Lobi ships…. It’s august… wth
He's going for that cartoon supervillian look...
🤣
Every time I see it he reminds me of this Bono Family Guy clip.
th-cam.com/video/_7Np6L1JFTw/w-d-xo.html
Covid, not covid, what's the difference???
Ask all the dead people. You don't know anyone that died? Hard to believe.
Great it's not covid
But whatever it IS Maybe you should get some antibiotics or something.
Take care of yourself sir!