S2E16.2: Joe Kennedy's Stroke... Lobotomy Karma?

The Kennedys Episode 16 Aftershow Part 2
"For a group of people who don't want to face bad things, it was hard. Harder than death... because with death, they always went on..."
On December 19, 1961, JFK's father, Joe Sr., suffered a stroke. This is the story of that fateful day. There are many similarities between his condition after the trauma of his stroke, and the condition his daughter was left in after Joe himself had her lobotomized exactly two decades before, in 1941. Today, in The Kennedy Family Meeting Episode, we will discuss all of it.
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[@MaryBarry-ks6hn]

What she did not see,did not exist! Wow! Enjoying your reading, pleasant voice and chitchat. Thank you.🌹

[@dummy-pants]

I don't usually believe in karma or anything spiritual like that, but it's so crazy that Joe ended up basically just like rosemary. Even to the point of rose abandoning him with the niece, it's like the same exact situation it's insane

[@bloodandbusiness]

It’s pretty nuts

[@MsBackstager]

Rose was escaping from reality.

[@TheAnchor26]

Joe had humiliated her with his other women for 40 years and she took it. She could rationalize going to the Cape but subconsciously it was her way of paying him back for the humiliation.

[@bloodandbusiness]

Definitely could have been

[@MaryBarry-ks6hn]

Absolutely ,subconsciously,she was paying him back. She did so without actually understanding,that the years of her enduring hurt and pain.,now he would know how pain and abandonment feels. I would bet,she never allowed herself to acknowledge it either!

[@tsonja7175]

I like how you all bring up thoughts that I am thinking.

[@bloodandbusiness]

why does that make me SO happy haha

[@MsBackstager]

Couldn't the family have gotten Joe, Sr. another caregiver besides Ann and Rose?

[@katiemarie4035]

Rose lived to be 104. She died in early 1995. Iirc, she was not well and not told of Jackie’s death died 1994. I think among her last regular public appearances were around the time of Caroline’s wedding in 1986.

[@bloodandbusiness]

What a life. ♥️

[@cathywithac]

I am trying to decide if Rose failed her religion or if her religion failed her. Her inability to participate in life and her family is the failure. She hobbled herself, her children and grandchildren.

[@bloodandbusiness]

Definitely. I don’t think most Catholic women put that much pressure on themselves.