that ANGLO means what? Britain or you mean the Britishers who emigrated to the new continent and became Americans... no idea whether they have any inherited traits still or have become totally new with no traces of the old imperialism...?
Pls> do not fault Pascal (one of the better analysts on Geopolitics). If U go against the mainstream narrative controlled by about 5 Families in the Anglosphere they will sanction U forever as in Orwell's Novel 1984, there is only 1 narrative and it is the "Ministry of Truth", and I leave that to ur imagination as which group/lobbyists/political apparatus controls the propaganda machine of the collective West n they do not like Pascal's interrogations.
It is WRONG to say that Japan lost WWII mostly to the US. In fact China was a serious factor in Japan's defeat. So serious that FDR proposed Chiang to occupy Japan together. Had he taken the offer you would have a totally different view today. The truth is, the US case on Taiwan is not justifiable on any stand. Be it jungle rule(favourite of the west), legal rule, or justice rule. By force there's no chance any country or group on this planet can prevent PRC from taking Taiwan. By international laws and diplomatic reality there's no one except a few US stooges on the Pacific islands recognise Taiwan. Even US and all its western satellite states officially recognise Taiwan being part of China. By justice, why is it Japan can still claim Taiwan being part of its empire after its immoral annexation, only 50 years of occupation, and loss of WWII? In the west there's so much brain washing that keeps the subjects in such pathetic mental state that on some political matters they automatically align with the masters even if it totally makes no sense at all.
Yes indeed. Hollywood’s Ww2 movies always leave out Soviet and Chinese sacrifices. Here(US), people consume history and current events for a lifetime and have wildly incorrect views on things, but imagine they are well informed. I know because I argue with them on Facebook
Jay, both Taiwan province and mainland China are happy with the status quo. The recent tension is instigated by an external super power who wants the island as an unsinkable aircraft carrier and as a launching pad for the attack on China.
seriously ???? What about West Germany and East Germany during the cold war... Which was a sovereign country ? Or the complete East Europe ? Russia invaded a country so every 10 years. On the contrary the Baltic Republics were practically begging to become NATO members and also have US and other NATO troops deployed. Also Poland is very eager to host NATO and US troops.
@Memovox COPENHAGEN, Dec 19 2023 (Reuters) - Denmark has reached a defence agreement with the United States that will allow U.S. soldiers and military equipment to be based on Danish soil, the country's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Tuesday. 👍
@@BerndSchnabl Sic transit gloria mundi. But it does not change the root cause to all the problems you have in Germany, so ditch your whataboutery and face the music.
To your western mindset, institutionalization is only a synonym for domination. Believe it or not the vast majority of humanitydon’t think in those terms. Where you perceive differences and disagreements people that don’ work on your axiological paradigm see opportunities to cooperate and harmonize in the interests of all. Once greed and wanton wasteful exploitation is not driving the effort the root cause of the problems facing the world today are ab initio absent from the equation. This is doable and ongoing. The irrational fear of the west and its people is really more about will “ they “ not do to us what we did to them all these centuries?! It’s irrational and unfounded but terrifying to contemplate. You got to deal with it
Absolutely agree. The model of conflict and competition does not work. BRICS shows us an alternative and China shows us how we might escape climate collapse. But... please just bear in mind that possibly 30% of UK population is entirely in agreement with you too?
Thanks. I think it is almost impossible to an European or western understand that not all the other humans love war . Goodness!! Open the mind to other possibilities, like cooperation.
Pascal tries hard to explain the Taiwan issue. But simply, china under the Qing dynasty was already ruling Taiwan. It was I believe part of the Fujien province and officials were sent from Beijing to run it. After the Japanese invaded China in 1894 and China sued for peace in 1895, the Treaty of Shimonoseki ceded the island of Taiwan to Japan. At the same time, the Ryukyu Islands, which recognised the suzerainty of China, were also annexed by Japan. During the Second World War, the Americans government supported the KMT efforts to fight the Japanese. This support continued throughout the civil war 1946-49, and thereafter when the KMT government retreated to the island of Taiwan. I first visited Taiwan in 1967 and the island streets were plastered with “反攻大陸” slogans and the government’s main aim was to retake the mainland. Japan ran Taiwan as a colony for 50 years, 1895-1945. The meetings in Cairo and Potsdam resulted in the agreement among the Allies that Taiwan would be returned to China after the war. Which it was. And the KMT government at the time took full control of the island. That’s different from the Ryukyus, which somehow came under the administration of the Americans, on behalf of the UN. In 1972, the Americans unilaterally gave the administration rights to Japan, BUT not the sovereignty. The constitution of the government on Taiwan still claims that it is the Republic of China, although in the late 1990’s, I think they scrapped off any claims to the mainland.
Pascal is correct: Taiwan is a non-issue for China, but a biggie for the US. The only resource that Taiwan has is TSMC and China has incorporated TSMC semi plants in China vi a vis the US with Intel gone forever. I have visited the Chinese Museum in (Kai-shek) Taipei and it is a joke compared that museum outside of Guangzhou with those false calcite warriors positing as real warriors against invaders. Ditto Taiwan is the false warriors and they have been exposed, so China is not concerned as it has no military or really economic prowess. I saw folks from Taipei feeling as much at home in Guangzhou as in Taipei, n the Taiwanese enamored with Shanghai. Silly conversation here by Jay Martin who believes this is a global issue. Soooo sad he believes in BS.
@@garyddlewis3067 How: What is ur input except defending the hegemons who are now exposed as so-called emporers with no clothes. Cmon wimpy genius (LOL): Give us ur analysis of contra pasteurization before saying "nicht richtig" vs WRONG.
@ You clearly have no idea to claim Taiwan is a non issue for China but a biggie for the US. It is the number 1 issue for China and whilst a major issue for the US is clearly not their number 1 issue.
@@dol3980 China is clear about Taiwan as Russia was clear about Ukraine. It is China’s “reddest of red lines”. China will not allow Taiwanese separatism. Taiwan can see what has happened to Ukraine. Not withstanding a military backed coup in Taiwan to bypass the political system, there is no chance the Taiwanese will declare independence. The question is whether a coup can be more successfully carried out on Taiwan than was recently the case in South Korea.
BRICS have the New Development Bank, which is huge, and it can substitute some US controlled institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank. There is a lot going on there.
The extradition law had nothing to do with Mainland China but very much with a murder case in Taiwan committed by a man from Hong Kong who travelled to Taiwan with his girlfriend who ended up being murdered by her boyfriend. The Hong Kong guy fled back to Hong Kong and that's where the extradition law came about as there is no extradition agreement between HK and TW. The murderer is still a free man in HK due to the CIA incited black terror in 2019. Pascal needs to get the info facts right!
Taiwan and China will unite in time only if people work towards that. There is no incentive or the will to do so, that is the problem. Contrary, there are strong push to go the opposit way to unity.
Pascal it is also the way they look at south Europe, I live in Greece but I am Dutch, and not all the Dutch, but quite a big part I find snobs. Same with the upper class in the UK. Maybe other people in the UK as well, I only noticed it from the upper class there. They look down at the Greeks, Italians and Spanish, Romanians, Bulgarians etc.
@48:14: small correction. China sped up its Hong Kong integration thanks to encroachments by outside actors. To wit, certain NGOs were setting up shop. We now know that such orgs are not inherently stabilizing. So, mainland China accelerated the process.
US is adept at identifying exploitable fissure lines in other countries, grooming and financing opposition groups in the name of freedom and self determination. As karma would have it, that bird has come home to roost.
Although Pascal is erudite and rational n unbiased he uses history to justify conflicts like the Byzantium Empire with Christians vs. the Ottomans who were stopped in Vienna by the Poles. However in the new paradigm it is not ethnic groups competing but financial interests like the EU states like Germany, Britain n France (via NATO supported solely by the hegemons in the USA). These EU states have exhausted their natural resources like energy, agro depleted acreage, forests, iron ore, coal, lithium, etc. So the last forays for the natural resources play is to plunder Ukraine and decimate or fracture Russia for their resources via conduits like BlackRock, Vanguard, Goldman Sachs (17 trillion $) to expand their global asset allocation under the guise of wars for democracy as exemplified by the proxy war in Ukraine with no concerns for the Ukrainians but only the financial interest of the hegemons with no manpower losses only by those who are their proxies as exposed by Graham, Romney, Borrell, Macron, Gorka, and historically by Brzezinski, Kissinger, etc.
I was also rather surprised. Everyone of these wars that we are seeing now and in our lifetimes have been capitalist wars led by the capitalist, U.S.-ledwest. If you understand NATO as the army of capitalism, there is no mystery as to how these so-called local wars, and “civil wars“ get ignited, and for what purpose. There to shore up the declining profits under neoliberal capitalism. This is expressionally surprising, given the calibre, and the analysis of pretty much every one of his esteemed expert guests on the channel
@@stepmaster9988 U R 100% correct and Jay Martin has nothin but methane farts tp sustain his rhetoric. It is now economic hegemony and Ukraine is the premiere example but Pascal gets it slowly but forget Jay martin another joe rogan wanna bee. Thanx for being a Sigma.
This is an Eastern philosophy seeing wealth in the world via natural resources. The Glorious Revolution in England that set off the Enlightenment and later Liberal Democracy saw that the most value thing in a country is its people. This is why resource poor countries like Japan ,South Korea, and Poland being more prosperous than resource rich countries like Russia.
@ Japan, South Korea are not sovereign states but occupied by the US and therefore allowed to develop as part of the US’ anti-communist agenda (Singapore benefited from this also). Poland is also supported by the US because it has long been anti Russia. Russia has been economically suppressed by NATO and the Western European coloniser states which is what accounts for Russia’s financial challenges, which they have largely overcome since the blunders of economic sanctions during the war with Ukraine which NATO was desperate to have for at least a decade for the express purpose of weakening Russia
Excellent comment. We seem to have been hit by a wave of centralism, where people can (or should) hardly imagine developing and improving decentralised technical, economic and agricultural solutions for their local lives. For which, on the surface, prosperous times seem more suitable. But if you think about it further, necessity always gives birth to virtue, as the saying goes. Such decentralised thinking and action is less to be expected from a sluggish, less and less educated and innovative people than from one that is challenged and in demand. However, it is also frightening to see how little engineering, technical and innovative skill most of the people around one (including me) possess and how total their dependence on food, electricity and heating seems to be. We will see. People are also very impressive again.
Good discussion. But, please do relate some facts from WWII background. US and UK never wanted that USSR win the war. Only when the Nazis were defeated from near Moscow front only after then, they started to support USSR. This example clearly says: The so called "West" was never for peace. It survived by propogating wars. I think there is little or no factor of the Russian or Ukr language as the main cause of current war there. For every such analysis, we need to go back and analyze "Stories within History". The lenses are traditionally different. It is not a personal human factor, it is societal and political factor in which we were grown up and we were educated to learn other cultures in a different way. This is my Take and feedback to you.
To understand war, one needs to understand the human being, its social behaviour, and a certain percentage that is trying to overrule the other human beings. To study this subject one can just sit somewhere in a corner in a street in a city where many children live, and to observe what happens, during, let's say, a year. From experience I know how some types of children like to provoke, to humiliate, to fight, and if they cannot win, they are asking while crying, their parents to stop these "basterds" who started all this, while THEY provoked, teased, manipulated, humiliated and started. This is the micro world and not different from the macro world. This is Ukraine provoking Russia, this is NATO, provoking all other nations except those who joined NATO, and instead of crying and begging their mother to help, they beg the war industry to help. It works. Mature men, today, show that they never grew up and behave like little children. Unfortunately there is no law that stops them. They are the law. UN is just a façade, a theatre play.
Neutrality is the most difficult stance to adopt, it comes up against such xenophobic propaganda and such a well established belief - albeit erroneous, that our species has never known a war free era.
mischaracterization of the KMT position. they are not a unification party. their position is not different from the DPP, the tone is just slightly different. Other than that very good description of the situation. Funny thing to add: William Lai scolding the PRC for giving up territory to the russians. tbh the conflict is so managed that practically it(PRC+ROC) should be viewed as its own entity with its own interests that are actively pursued.
I would like to repudiate with the contempt it deserves that the assertion that China and Taiwan are 2 sovereign states, it is called the Republic of China
Intelligent, informative, great stuff. Thank you both! There may also be🎉 some physical war less merge of the Taiwan/Chinese possible due to the Ucrine war, because the true weakness of the US is exposed, and people trend towards safety and economic success rather than starvation?❤
the reunification of germany is not comparable to a possible end to the chienese civil war. and not becuase the situations are not similar, while different. but because in europe, that parties were allowed to deal with each other. while in china, america and europe keep meddling, and stoking the flmaes of separatism
What's the difference between the alleged NK troops in Russia, not in Ukraine, and Columbian & ISIS and US/ UK/ EU etc. mercenaries fighting for Ukraine in Kursk? Seems a petty argument to me.
CHINA IS NOT A THREAT! WHY the hell Jay would you have that war hawk on? Propaganda, good, won't watch your show. WHO HAS OVER 800 MILITARY BASES AROUND THE WORLD JAY
I appreciate that Jay Martin actually challenged Pascal Lottaz instead of a silo. That said I have several disagreements on Mr. Lottaz's opinions. I did not realize that this podcast is so old. My first disagreement is multipolarity. The post WWII order was bipolar. Unless two is multipolar, who are the other poles? There are two candidates. There is China and there is Russia with Putin playing Justinian trying to conquer Rome again. It really is a question of one or two. Putin lost when Ukraine did not capitulate in the first week. Mr Lottaz's second problem is he does not understand the American model. Traditional empires have spheres influence. The classical term is "Solar Power". The closer you are to the sun, the greater its pull. One could be on periphery of an empire and have considerable autonomy or break out on your own. Alexanders Greek empire broke up. So did the Mongol empire. the solar empire draws in subjects for its own interest. The United States is different in that it rarely subjugates. It makes offer of a mutually beneficial security arrangement. Countries do this because they gain massive wealth and freedom with the understanding they are part of agreement. South Korea with no natural resources and a fraction of the population is only slightly smaller than Russia. In a generation Poland will exceed Russia in GDP despite also being a country of little natural resources. Argue whether it is a golden chain or mutually beneficial, the American model is compelling. Mr. Lottaz resides in one of the American miracles. When you have a choice between being a pure client subservient to an empire be it Russia or China, its a pretty compelling case. The case where it goes against is when elite makes a deal with the devil. But that is how the European countries built their empires. They made offers to a set of elites to acquiesce. That is why I find the irony of Mr. Lottaz's issues in Georgia so ironic. He is an anti colonial, yet has no issues with Putin playing the same tricks. A few other nits. NATO is a security agreement. BRIC's as an economic construct. If you are going to compare BRIC's to anything, the more suitable organization is the EU. BRIC's will fail because the memebers have nothing in common. They have different agendas. The EU exists because the members do have something in common even if it is just geoprahic similarity.
I disagree; NATO is a military instrument of the US government to control and expand the US's political, military and economic dominance. Nothing to do with defence, democracy or freedom. The EU countries are simply naive and stupid puppets of the US.
The US rarely subjugates? 80 percent of the wars fought since end of ww2 were US instigated. One third of the worlds population is under US sanctions. Wars fought since 9-11 in so called war on te**or resulted in up to 54 million displaced people and 4 million dead. You have a fairy tale, Hollywood-esque perception of the US. Countries that enter financial agreements with the IMF and world bank lose their financial sovereignty, which simply means their sovereignty. Putin isn’t engaged in a war of conquest, hes confronting a hostile military alliance that has surrounded his country and overthrown the government of Ukraine, initiating a civil war.
Hello Pascal! I have been trying to find a fault with you in the 5-6 months that I have been watching your videos, but I haven’t found any. However, I am a happily married straight man and cannot propose a romantic relationship :) Just joking. Keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Pascal deftly avoids the elephant: Anglo-American imperialism. This is the root of almost all the conflicts we are now witnessing.
that ANGLO means what? Britain or you mean the Britishers who emigrated to the new continent and became Americans... no idea whether they have any inherited traits still or have become totally new with no traces of the old imperialism...?
Nope, wrong, Russian imperialism
@@vijjreddy Yep, neither the US, UK or Europe has any interest in imperialism. Russia now is, look at Ukraine. Everything still going to plan
Pls> do not fault Pascal (one of the better analysts on Geopolitics). If U go against the mainstream narrative controlled by about 5 Families in the Anglosphere they will sanction U forever as in Orwell's Novel 1984, there is only 1 narrative and it is the "Ministry of Truth", and I leave that to ur imagination as which group/lobbyists/political apparatus controls the propaganda machine of the collective West n they do not like Pascal's interrogations.
@ haha. I suppose Russia established Israel, overthrew Allende, has 800 bases around the world, spends 10 times more than China on it military.
It is WRONG to say that Japan lost WWII mostly to the US. In fact China was a serious factor in Japan's defeat. So serious that FDR proposed Chiang to occupy Japan together. Had he taken the offer you would have a totally different view today.
The truth is, the US case on Taiwan is not justifiable on any stand. Be it jungle rule(favourite of the west), legal rule, or justice rule. By force there's no chance any country or group on this planet can prevent PRC from taking Taiwan. By international laws and diplomatic reality there's no one except a few US stooges on the Pacific islands recognise Taiwan. Even US and all its western satellite states officially recognise Taiwan being part of China. By justice, why is it Japan can still claim Taiwan being part of its empire after its immoral annexation, only 50 years of occupation, and loss of WWII?
In the west there's so much brain washing that keeps the subjects in such pathetic mental state that on some political matters they automatically align with the masters even if it totally makes no sense at all.
Yes indeed. Hollywood’s Ww2 movies always leave out Soviet and Chinese sacrifices. Here(US), people consume history and current events for a lifetime and have wildly incorrect views on things, but imagine they are well informed. I know because I argue with them on Facebook
Jay, both Taiwan province and mainland China are happy with the status quo. The recent tension is instigated by an external super power who wants the island as an unsinkable aircraft carrier and as a launching pad for the attack on China.
One of your very best, Pascal. And that's saying quite a lot given your usual gems, which have taught me so much these past several years.
You can either have sovereignty, or you can have US military presence in your country. You can't have both.
seriously ???? What about West Germany and East Germany during the cold war... Which was a sovereign country ? Or the complete East Europe ? Russia invaded a country so every 10 years. On the contrary the Baltic Republics were practically begging to become NATO members and also have US and other NATO troops deployed. Also Poland is very eager to host NATO and US troops.
@@BerndSchnabl I wouldn't post it if I wasn't serious about it. You have been occupied since WW2. Mojn fra Danmark.
@Memovox COPENHAGEN, Dec 19 2023 (Reuters) - Denmark has reached a defence agreement with the United States that will allow U.S. soldiers and military equipment to be based on Danish soil, the country's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Tuesday. 👍
@@BerndSchnabl Sic transit gloria mundi. But it does not change the root cause to all the problems you have in Germany, so ditch your whataboutery and face the music.
@@Memovox si vis pacem para bellum 😉
1:04:23 Pascal hits the nail right on the head with the way he explained the attitudes of westerners to the rest of the world.
To your western mindset, institutionalization is only a synonym for domination. Believe it or not the vast majority of humanitydon’t think in those terms. Where you perceive differences and disagreements people that don’ work on your axiological paradigm see opportunities to cooperate and harmonize in the interests of all. Once greed and wanton wasteful exploitation is not driving the effort the root cause of the problems facing the world today are ab initio absent from the equation. This is doable and ongoing. The irrational fear of the west and its people is really more about will “ they “ not do to us what we did to them all these centuries?! It’s irrational and unfounded but terrifying to contemplate. You got to deal with it
Absolutely agree. The model of conflict and competition does not work. BRICS shows us an alternative and China shows us how we might escape climate collapse. But... please just bear in mind that possibly 30% of UK population is entirely in agreement with you too?
Thanks. I think it is almost impossible to an European or western understand that not all the other humans love war . Goodness!! Open the mind to other possibilities, like cooperation.
And of course do not attack Ukraine, another thought.
IMF and World Bank are punitive.
Pascal tries hard to explain the Taiwan issue. But simply, china under the Qing dynasty was already ruling Taiwan. It was I believe part of the Fujien province and officials were sent from Beijing to run it. After the Japanese invaded China in 1894 and China sued for peace in 1895, the Treaty of Shimonoseki ceded the island of Taiwan to Japan. At the same time, the Ryukyu Islands, which recognised the suzerainty of China, were also annexed by Japan.
During the Second World War, the Americans government supported the KMT efforts to fight the Japanese. This support continued throughout the civil war 1946-49, and thereafter when the KMT government retreated to the island of Taiwan.
I first visited Taiwan in 1967 and the island streets were plastered with “反攻大陸” slogans and the government’s main aim was to retake the mainland.
Japan ran Taiwan as a colony for 50 years, 1895-1945. The meetings in Cairo and Potsdam resulted in the agreement among the Allies that Taiwan would be returned to China after the war. Which it was. And the KMT government at the time took full control of the island.
That’s different from the Ryukyus, which somehow came under the administration of the Americans, on behalf of the UN. In 1972, the Americans unilaterally gave the administration rights to Japan, BUT not the sovereignty.
The constitution of the government on Taiwan still claims that it is the Republic of China, although in the late 1990’s, I think they scrapped off any claims to the mainland.
Excellent to watch again. Thanks.
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Pascal is correct: Taiwan is a non-issue for China, but a biggie for the US. The only resource that Taiwan has is TSMC and China has incorporated TSMC semi plants in China vi a vis the US with Intel gone forever. I have visited the Chinese Museum in (Kai-shek) Taipei and it is a joke compared that museum outside of Guangzhou with those false calcite warriors positing as real warriors against invaders. Ditto Taiwan is the false warriors and they have been exposed, so China is not concerned as it has no military or really economic prowess. I saw folks from Taipei feeling as much at home in Guangzhou as in Taipei, n the Taiwanese enamored with Shanghai. Silly conversation here by Jay Martin who believes this is a global issue. Soooo sad he believes in BS.
Wrong.
@@garyddlewis3067 How: What is ur input except defending the hegemons who are now exposed as so-called emporers with no clothes. Cmon wimpy genius (LOL): Give us ur analysis of contra pasteurization before saying "nicht richtig" vs WRONG.
@ You clearly have no idea to claim Taiwan is a non issue for China but a biggie for the US. It is the number 1 issue for China and whilst a major issue for the US is clearly not their number 1 issue.
Maybe it's a buggy for the US because they want (another) war?
@@dol3980 China is clear about Taiwan as Russia was clear about Ukraine. It is China’s “reddest of red lines”. China will not allow Taiwanese separatism. Taiwan can see what has happened to Ukraine. Not withstanding a military backed coup in Taiwan to bypass the political system, there is no chance the Taiwanese will declare independence. The question is whether a coup can be more successfully carried out on Taiwan than was recently the case in South Korea.
Great show! Thanks!
Thank you Pascal, it's always a pleasure to listen to your interpretation.
@@Pecteu Really !!!!
😢Excellent Conversation ❤
BRICS have the New Development Bank, which is huge, and it can substitute some US controlled institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank. There is a lot going on there.
Nope, wrong.
The extradition law had nothing to do with Mainland China but very much with a murder case in Taiwan committed by a man from Hong Kong who travelled to Taiwan with his girlfriend who ended up being murdered by her boyfriend. The Hong Kong guy fled back to Hong Kong and that's where the extradition law came about as there is no extradition agreement between HK and TW. The murderer is still a free man in HK due to the CIA incited black terror in 2019. Pascal needs to get the info facts right!
I wonder if Pascal is aware of this and why he omitted this fact.
@@Capt.Canuck I suspect that he got the wrong info and hope he will correct it in a future programme.
Fantastic! Thank you.
Taiwan and China will unite in time only if people work towards that. There is no incentive or the will to do so, that is the problem. Contrary, there are strong push to go the opposit way to unity.
Pascal it is also the way they look at south Europe, I live in Greece but I am Dutch, and not all the Dutch, but quite a big part I find snobs. Same with the upper class in the UK. Maybe other people in the UK as well, I only noticed it from the upper class there.
They look down at the Greeks, Italians and Spanish, Romanians, Bulgarians etc.
fully agree
@48:14: small correction. China sped up its Hong Kong integration thanks to encroachments by outside actors. To wit, certain NGOs were setting up shop. We now know that such orgs are not inherently stabilizing. So, mainland China accelerated the process.
US is adept at identifying exploitable fissure lines in other countries, grooming and financing opposition groups in the name of freedom and self determination. As karma would have it, that bird has come home to roost.
Thanks both.
"Humanity: The World Before Religion, War, And Inequality" By Barry Brown 2017.
Really enjoyed this conversation! Hope Pascal will come back.
Natural resources and money =greed
Although Pascal is erudite and rational n unbiased he uses history to justify conflicts like the Byzantium Empire with Christians vs. the Ottomans who were stopped in Vienna by the Poles. However in the new paradigm it is not ethnic groups competing but financial interests like the EU states like Germany, Britain n France (via NATO supported solely by the hegemons in the USA). These EU states have exhausted their natural resources like energy, agro depleted acreage, forests, iron ore, coal, lithium, etc. So the last forays for the natural resources play is to plunder Ukraine and decimate or fracture Russia for their resources via conduits like BlackRock, Vanguard, Goldman Sachs (17 trillion $) to expand their global asset allocation under the guise of wars for democracy as exemplified by the proxy war in Ukraine with no concerns for the Ukrainians but only the financial interest of the hegemons with no manpower losses only by those who are their proxies as exposed by Graham, Romney, Borrell, Macron, Gorka, and historically by Brzezinski, Kissinger, etc.
I was also rather surprised. Everyone of these wars that we are seeing now and in our lifetimes have been capitalist wars led by the capitalist, U.S.-ledwest. If you understand NATO as the army of capitalism, there is no mystery as to how these so-called local wars, and “civil wars“ get ignited, and for what purpose. There to shore up the declining profits under neoliberal capitalism.
This is expressionally surprising, given the calibre, and the analysis of pretty much every one of his esteemed expert guests on the channel
@@stepmaster9988 U R 100% correct and Jay Martin has nothin but methane farts tp sustain his rhetoric. It is now economic hegemony and Ukraine is the premiere example but Pascal gets it slowly but forget Jay martin another joe rogan wanna bee. Thanx for being a Sigma.
This is an Eastern philosophy seeing wealth in the world via natural resources. The Glorious Revolution in England that set off the Enlightenment and later Liberal Democracy saw that the most value thing in a country is its people. This is why resource poor countries like Japan ,South Korea, and Poland being more prosperous than resource rich countries like Russia.
@ Japan, South Korea are not sovereign states but occupied by the US and therefore allowed to develop as part of the US’ anti-communist agenda (Singapore benefited from this also). Poland is also supported by the US because it has long been anti Russia.
Russia has been economically suppressed by NATO and the Western European coloniser states which is what accounts for Russia’s financial challenges, which they have largely overcome since the blunders of economic sanctions during the war with Ukraine which NATO was desperate to have for at least a decade for the express purpose of weakening Russia
Excellent comment.
We seem to have been hit by a wave of centralism, where people can (or should) hardly imagine developing and improving decentralised technical, economic and agricultural solutions for their local lives. For which, on the surface, prosperous times seem more suitable. But if you think about it further, necessity always gives birth to virtue, as the saying goes. Such decentralised thinking and action is less to be expected from a sluggish, less and less educated and innovative people than from one that is challenged and in demand. However, it is also frightening to see how little engineering, technical and innovative skill most of the people around one (including me) possess and how total their dependence on food, electricity and heating seems to be. We will see. People are also very impressive again.
Good discussion. But, please do relate some facts from WWII background. US and UK never wanted that USSR win the war. Only when the Nazis were defeated from near Moscow front only after then, they started to support USSR. This example clearly says: The so called "West" was never for peace. It survived by propogating wars. I think there is little or no factor of the Russian or Ukr language as the main cause of current war there. For every such analysis, we need to go back and analyze "Stories within History". The lenses are traditionally different. It is not a personal human factor, it is societal and political factor in which we were grown up and we were educated to learn other cultures in a different way. This is my Take and feedback to you.
To understand war, one needs to understand the human being, its social behaviour, and a certain percentage that is trying to overrule the other human beings. To study this subject one can just sit somewhere in a corner in a street in a city where many children live, and to observe what happens, during, let's say, a year. From experience I know how some types of children like to provoke, to humiliate, to fight, and if they cannot win, they are asking while crying, their parents to stop these "basterds" who started all this, while THEY provoked, teased, manipulated, humiliated and started. This is the micro world and not different from the macro world. This is Ukraine provoking Russia, this is NATO, provoking all other nations except those who joined NATO, and instead of crying and begging their mother to help, they beg the war industry to help. It works. Mature men, today, show that they never grew up and behave like little children. Unfortunately there is no law that stops them. They are the law. UN is just a façade, a theatre play.
More nonsense.
There is definitely something immature and childish in neocon understanding of the world. They ressamble toddlers in the sandbox
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Perfect description!! 😢
@@ikorsic I completely agree with you. Disgraceful the way Russia attacks other countries.
@@ikorsic I completely agree with you. Countries should not send missiles into the peaceful cities of their neighbours now should they .
We tried with West for 30 years it was only giving a hope nothing else, is time to change our direction life is too short to wait for so long.
Pascal Lottaz forgot to add the middle east on the tittle of this subject
Thank you for a very informative discussion.
Really!!!!
It has been amazing, fun filled 500 years, maybe lets try something else, as this is not working for majority of humanity.
Great idea!
The peace of Westphalia gave peace, more or less, in Europe. A peace of Multipolar order could work in the same way?
Mr.Pascal is a plesure to listen to ; he's the definition of a sane ractional and sensible human in a crazy clown world
Neutrality is the most difficult stance to adopt, it comes up against such xenophobic propaganda and such a well established belief - albeit erroneous, that our species has never known a war free era.
the local component = CIA = USA😂😂😂
mischaracterization of the KMT position. they are not a unification party. their position is not different from the DPP, the tone is just slightly different. Other than that very good description of the situation. Funny thing to add: William Lai scolding the PRC for giving up territory to the russians. tbh the conflict is so managed that practically it(PRC+ROC) should be viewed as its own entity with its own interests that are actively pursued.
Ww3 is coming
Who cares.
I would like to repudiate with the contempt it deserves that the assertion that China and Taiwan are 2 sovereign states, it is called the Republic of China
That was painful, I got what you were saying Pascal???
WHY DOESNT JAY TALK ABOUT THE GENOCIDE GOING ON? TRIBE MEMBER OR BENEFACTOR
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Intelligent, informative, great stuff. Thank you both! There may also be🎉 some physical war less merge of the Taiwan/Chinese possible due to the Ucrine war, because the true weakness of the US is exposed, and people trend towards safety and economic success rather than starvation?❤
Really, bizarre.
the reunification of germany is not comparable to a possible end to the chienese civil war. and not becuase the situations are not similar, while different. but because in europe, that parties were allowed to deal with each other. while in china, america and europe keep meddling, and stoking the flmaes of separatism
THE US NEEDS TO KEEP THEIR NOSES OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES. JAY SEEMS LIKE HE IS AN IMPERIALIST!
What's the difference between the alleged NK troops in Russia, not in Ukraine, and Columbian & ISIS and US/ UK/ EU etc. mercenaries fighting for Ukraine in Kursk? Seems a petty argument to me.
CHINA IS NOT A THREAT! WHY the hell Jay would you have that war hawk on? Propaganda, good, won't watch your show. WHO HAS OVER 800 MILITARY BASES AROUND THE WORLD JAY
I appreciate that Jay Martin actually challenged Pascal Lottaz instead of a silo. That said I have several disagreements on Mr. Lottaz's opinions. I did not realize that this podcast is so old.
My first disagreement is multipolarity. The post WWII order was bipolar. Unless two is multipolar, who are the other poles? There are two candidates. There is China and there is Russia with Putin playing Justinian trying to conquer Rome again. It really is a question of one or two. Putin lost when Ukraine did not capitulate in the first week.
Mr Lottaz's second problem is he does not understand the American model. Traditional empires have spheres influence. The classical term is "Solar Power". The closer you are to the sun, the greater its pull. One could be on periphery of an empire and have considerable autonomy or break out on your own. Alexanders Greek empire broke up. So did the Mongol empire. the solar empire draws in subjects for its own interest.
The United States is different in that it rarely subjugates. It makes offer of a mutually beneficial security arrangement. Countries do this because they gain massive wealth and freedom with the understanding they are part of agreement. South Korea with no natural resources and a fraction of the population is only slightly smaller than Russia. In a generation Poland will exceed Russia in GDP despite also being a country of little natural resources. Argue whether it is a golden chain or mutually beneficial, the American model is compelling. Mr. Lottaz resides in one of the American miracles. When you have a choice between being a pure client subservient to an empire be it Russia or China, its a pretty compelling case. The case where it goes against is when elite makes a deal with the devil. But that is how the European countries built their empires. They made offers to a set of elites to acquiesce. That is why I find the irony of Mr. Lottaz's issues in Georgia so ironic. He is an anti colonial, yet has no issues with Putin playing the same tricks.
A few other nits. NATO is a security agreement. BRIC's as an economic construct. If you are going to compare BRIC's to anything, the more suitable organization is the EU. BRIC's will fail because the memebers have nothing in common. They have different agendas. The EU exists because the members do have something in common even if it is just geoprahic similarity.
I disagree; NATO is a military instrument of the US government to control and expand the US's political, military and economic dominance. Nothing to do with defence, democracy or freedom. The EU countries are simply naive and stupid puppets of the US.
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The US rarely subjugates? 80 percent of the wars fought since end of ww2 were US instigated. One third of the worlds population is under US sanctions. Wars fought since 9-11 in so called war on te**or resulted in up to 54 million displaced people and 4 million dead. You have a fairy tale, Hollywood-esque perception of the US. Countries that enter financial agreements with the IMF and world bank lose their financial sovereignty, which simply means their sovereignty. Putin isn’t engaged in a war of conquest, hes confronting a hostile military alliance that has surrounded his country and overthrown the government of Ukraine, initiating a civil war.
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Well put, in my opinion.
Hello Pascal! I have been trying to find a fault with you in the 5-6 months that I have been watching your videos, but I haven’t found any. However, I am a happily married straight man and cannot propose a romantic relationship :) Just joking. Keep up the great work.
Have you been watching the videos with your eyes closed and the sound off.