Pros & Cons Of The SnS Grills Kettle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2021
- Seven months after purchasing my SnS Grills Kettle, I’ve formed some opinions based on my experience with this grill, and in this video I give you my Pros and Cons related to this cooker.
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"I wish Weber had done these things years ago." I can't tell you how many times I've said that. Great review, Ry.
Thanks 🙏
We are so happy you are enjoying your kettle, Ry. This was a huge project for our team and it's great to see people like yourself recognizing the results of that hard work.
I live in Turkey, we are stuck with overly priced webers here. Please find a distributor in Turkey.
Any hope for a 26?
any chance on a 26" version
I want a 26" version, compatible with all existing Weber accessories.
you should talk about warranty. In my opinion Weber has about the best customer service on the planet. I'm still getting warranty parts for my performer and it's 11 years old. They even sent me a new table top and lid when I was in a flood last year and my grill got wrecked. Incredible.
Agreed. I accidentally caused a grease fire in one of my Weber grills and when I asked Weber if I could buy a new ash catcher and ring they just sent me the parts as a courtesy. I was very grateful. Customer for life.
Apparently you have not interacted with SNS grill’s customer service
This is great Ry. I’ve been following you for many years and know what a fan you are of the Weber Kettle. So when you give this such high marks I know you really mean it. I will be selling a couple of my kettles and add this to my stable. Thanks for your candor and great review. Have an awesome weekend!
Great timing on this video for me. We just moved and I gave a friend my Weber to avoid moving it. I am looking to replace my kettle and this is on my short list along with Weber
Thanks for this review. I have been deciding on what grill to get and this helps tremendously ☺️
I'm in the market for a grill and I must say this is one of the most informative videos I've seen on "ANY" product in a while. Many thanks Brother Ry
Glad it was helpful!
Great review Ry! They have some great features, I did see someone comment on the ash bucket, much easier to work with! The smoke hole is one of my favorite features, as you mentioned, so easy to dial in! Cheers!
Very educational and informative. Thanks for the honest review.
Great vid, thank-you! I love the SnS and use it all the time. And I agree with all your Pro points. I agree it's a better kettle than any and all variations of the Weber. There is just way too much versatility offered with the SnS relative to other kettles which so greatly expands what a cook can do with a kettle. There are even more pro points IMO than what you mentioned and that's a good thing. But there is one minor design flaw which I'd like to point out, if I may. Since this is a pro / con video, I hope this is a good place to mention this. It's part #10 - the star shaped part with the five blades that is designed to sweep ash into the vents and into the ash can underneath. The curve of the blades is not quite the same as the curve of the bowl. The first half of the blade extending from the middle is perfect, but then the curve of the blade leaves the surface of the bowl just slightly, leaving a gap as the blade extends to the tip. If you look closely at the tip of the blade, you can see the gap between the tip and the bowl. If you have a Weber and check the same thing, the Weber blade is flush with the bowl all the way to the tip - it is perfect - even though it is significantly longer. The SnS is not. So why does this matter? I had noticed this before but didn't really think too much about it. I assumed the gap was so minor that it didn't matter. That was until I used my Thermoworks Billows with the SnS. I was doing a slow cook with the bottom vents closed completely and the Billows attached to the smoke hole. When the billows fan kicked on, smoke began pouring out of the ash basket underneath! And it wasn't a little bit, it was a huge and alarming amount of smoke "billowing" out of the ash basket underneath, as well as the top vent. So what does this mean? It means, whether or not your cooking with a Billows, when you close the bottom vents during a slow cook, they're really not completely closed off. It means air is coming into the kettle through those vents whether you like it or not. And it also means when you shut the SnS down, there will be a slight air leak keeping those coals lit a bit longer than necessary. I was able to fix mine with some HD foil. Five pieces, 6 inch square, folded twice. Insert the little pocket of the foil into the finger of the blade, sliding down three inches, and I think that effectively solves the problem because the foil is sort of "V" shaped and blocks the gap. The foil actually stays put even when you sweep the blades side to side repeatedly. Things like this happen with brand new products, and I think SnS will resolve this problem eventually. Would I buy an SnS again? You bet! It's still the best kettle on the market. Thanks again
Love your channel and videos. SNS has some really nice accessories and I have most of them. That said, my preference is still the Weber Kettle, tried and true. I have many Weber kettles from the 60's to present and they do stand the test of time when properly cared for. I really appreciate the history and colors of the past models as well as the color choices with current models. Nice review.
Nice review Ry! I would also add the ash catcher is really easy to remove and replace! Cheers!
Nice review and great features!
Hey Ry, you've gotta try Bald Buck rub sometime, it's dang good! Good review on the sns kettle. I bought my Weber kettle like a week before they came out and at the time I thought they were the best of the best
I've had mine for about the same amount of time, and only con I have is the clean out fins are a bit short IMO. I find myself having to remove the charcoal grate often to push ash that builds up above the fins down.
Other than that the rig has been solid. I already had a SnS basket and HIGHLY recommend folks to get one to go with it.
Great Video Ry...and I know Weber has had a very successful run since the 1950s, but why in the world havent they made these simple, yet very effective modifications is beyond me. I guess because people just keep buying them...
My guess is it's a combo of a few things. I doubt a master touch is the entry point for someone buying their first weber. They probably get the base model or the one right above it, which let's be honest, can do just about as well for smoking as the master touch for like half the price. Once someone buys the master touch, they probably already own another weber, and want to be consistent. I would imagine they design at least the two lower models on the most common use, likely grilling. So to keep the design "consistent" they focus on other areas. Also, those extra ports do create new failure points, and leakage points. So while leaks and failure might be small, over the scale of someone like weber, it could add up. The $165 weber can probably do about 90% or more as good of a job as this for about 60% of the price?
Great overview
You nailed the pros down exactly Ry! The only thing that I have noticed in addition to everything you mentioned, is if you use the supplied gasket material for the lid, there is absolutely no smoke leaks. It becomes a very tight kettle unlike any other. Temps are so easy to control and hold. Absolutely love mine as well. Great job on this Ry!
Yeah, I thought about putting the gasket on, but I opted against it simply because I didn't want to have something to get right. I mess up stick on gaskets EVERY TIME :)
Nice grill, thanks for the review. I love my Weber kettle and realized recently that I don’t need anything else so i’m selling my entry level pit boss pellet grill. Though I wouldn’t mind having another Weber or even one of these plus an offset smoker 😎
Great information Ry👍
Great video Ry. I am such a loyal Weber customer/fan would be tough for me to get the SNS kettle over Weber. Lots of great points though. That table would be so nice on my Weber kettle.
Very informative! I wish Weber would incorporate the thermometer over the top vent too. Would get a more realistic number.
Agree whole-heartedly with your pros. The big con for me is the ash sweep. I see another comment below about that it doesn't close the vents as well as Weber's does, but more disappointing to me is that it doesn't sweep the ash away nearly as well as Weber's sweep. I notice this in particular when I'm using the slow 'n sear with it. You get a ton of ash build up underneath it. It also has a much looser connection between the lever and sweep, I don't feel like I have as much control as I do on my Weber. Using the ash catch bucket though is much easier then on the Weber. I just wish the bucket was bigger.
That being said, the pros outweigh the cons for me and I'm very happy with mine.
Great video and I am glad you like yours. I really wanted to love one and was super excited to receive it. Unfortunately it did not live up to the hype, damaged parts out of the box made it so I couldn't even put the thing together and use it. SNS service was amazing but the grill just fell flat.
Interesting. Mine was a breeze to assemble.
I'm so happy to see a comparison of these two by someone I respect so much. I'll admit, I was mad at SNS for a long time because I felt like they "betrayed" the people that put them on the map. But this is the first comparison I've seen between the two, and now I can see how much thought was put into improving very specific qualities that we've all complained about in our beloved Weber kettles. Moving the lid thermometer closer to the grate was such a smart move in and of itself. Moving the top vent right next to it was genius!
Then they added a port for your temperature probe, which which is a great addition that solves a problem all Weber kettle owners end up fighting with eventually, to the point that some people are actually cutting slots into rim of their Weber Kettles for the wire. I've all but stopped using mine because of the hassle of fussing with the wires. I have 2 Weber Kettles, both in great shape, so I'm not looking for another grill. But I'm glad you make this video and broke the differences down so thoroughly. I'm actually putting together a video about how to buy your first grill, and this will be great information to include.
Kind of a late reply but if you were unaware you can buy the temp probe cover from SNS. I did and installed it on my Weber. Of course drilling two holes, one of them pretty big, into your Weber technically voids your warranty but I doubt any warranty issue I have would involve me sending the actual kettle in. It seems like most warranty issues are taken care of by Weber sending you the part that messed up. I'm also not looking for a new kettle but if I were I would lean toward the SNS. I have pointed several people who were shopping/researching in their direction.
I have an old beat up Weber 22" Kettle and I'm planning on replacing it with the 26" model fairly soon. I would definitely go with the SnS IF they come out with a 26" before I make the move. Otherwise I will probably modify the new Weber to have the ports in approximately the same locations. Come on SnS make that announcement.
I agree but there are 2 more pros and cons. The bowl. In the weber kettle the cooking grate sits a bit higher in relation to the kettle. Pro of the cons is when cooking a whole turkey or large roast there is more room at the bottom of kettle for those cooks. Con is using the elevated cooking grate to throw something at the top level leaves you with less room. Is it a deal breaker? Not at all. It just i wouldn't do really thick roasts etc like a second brisket up on the top level but racks of ribs or etc there is still plenty of room.
The other pro and con is the added thermal tape ring included in the sns system. I haven't bought a weber system in over 5 to 7 years but my sns grill over the winter was very economical to run on coal. The burn rate was much longer and more steady using that thermal tape around the kettle lid when installed. It makes the lid sit a tighter seal as well. I don't remember my weber having that option?
Great video Ry, thank you for addressing all the positive points about the SNS, I am replacing an older Weber original kettle. Does the Malory grate fit on the SnS also?
It fits on mine 👍
We all love our Weber kettles & end up making modifications like adding a probe port hole ( or notching the kettle). adding a hole if we plan on adding Fan Control.
Weber should have added a Temp probe port. On Weber Summit Kamado, they did add a factory hole for temp control fan. its got a removable plug to add a fan like the ThermoWorks Billows.
Great review. I just picked one of these up along with the slow n sear. Any advice on what to cook on it first? Still learning! Thanks
I always like ribs as a first cook :)
I just ordered the 18"travel kettle with the slow and sear charcoal basket for $180.
There's another issue...the fingers of the bottom vent cover or "star", are lifted at both ends and are hollow. No matter how much you close off the vent holes, air is still allowed to flow through the lifted ends of the fingers. Weber's design doesn't allow this to happen.
im with you on the 26" size
0:57 I didn’t like the look of the handle connecting to the bowl. Is there a paint issue? To be fair I have issues with my red kettle.
The only downside I can see (I'm looking for my first grill, so take what I say with a grain of salt) is the master touch seems to have a heavier duty nicer grate, and the Master touch comes with the extra warming grate. But the things this has such as the grate level thermometer and 4 legs seems to make this grill way better.
i never give up my weber kettle. being guy who has been cooking on a kettle for over 45 years. way back before there was temp gauges on the lids. which by the way are never very accurate after a few months any ways. i very seldom have to adjust my vents. the 4 legs are nice thou.
I have an old school weber kettle and I want an upgrade. I am torn because I really want the performer premium because I like the cart system and it has the ne P vent for better dialing of the air flow, but I would have to drill to add a probe port and thats a con. The SnS is ready to go, but it needs a better table, at least for me. Ugh I am in a pickle.
RY thank you for the video. I own one the original 22" Weber grill. After many years in the OK weather, it still workd great. I have the slow and sear, but I've been looking for a SS raise half rack like the SNS. Do you know where I can purchase onr? BTW, which SNS package did you buy?
Not sure where to get that. I purchased the base package.
Thanks for the video, Ry. I'm in the market for my first piece of equipment. It's a bit overwhelming trying to figure it all out. I was originally leaning towards a PBC, but that seems like it's not quite as versatile as this kettle.
What would the benefit of a UDS be vs this kettle? Being able to cook at quantity? The "set it and forget it" nature of it?
Also, have you done any "getting started" videos for newbies? I poked around and didn't see anything. Or maybe I got too distracted watching all the other tasty looking stuff you made.
Thanks again!
(Anyone not named Ry is also welcome to chime in with their thoughts!)
I don't think I have any true getting started videos, but Rus over at Smoky Ribs just put out a series on that exact subject: th-cam.com/channels/0UPLkKVX3qyiQ8MqQgYw8Q.html And a UDS will definitely give you more capacity :)
Great review Ry... I don't have a SNS GRILL but; can the SNS GRILL GRATE fit a standard WEBER 22" KETTLE GRILL? I wld think that wld make a grate accessory if u hav the slow & sear vs having a slow & dear & using the original grate that comes with the grill with the smaller openings ( hinged grate ).. Also is there a folding side table that can fit a 22" weber kettle??
The SnS Easy Spin stainless grate fits perfectly in a Weber. I’ve used one for a good while now and not only is it a flawless design, it’s quality stainless steel. A company called BBQ Dragon makes a highly reviewed folding side shelf for the 22” kettles.
I wonder what the build quality is like over time. I have had my weber kettle for 20 years. It stays out side in the winter and summer. The only think I have needed to replace was the bottom vent assembly for $ 28.00. The paint, the metal, and everything is almost like when it was new. I'm thinking that that the SnS folding tray and perhaps other parts may rust when left outside all those years, Your thoughts?
I just got a notice from Amazon that the SNS basket just went up in price by $10 bringing it up to $109.99.....if I'm not mistaken
That is true.. I went direct to the sns site and ordered one for $99 with free shipping and as a freebie they include 2 different rubs and a coal tong.. BOOM!
Honestly the price is the deal breaker. At 279 you could buy a Weber premium for 165 and only miss out on the probe hole and smoke hole. And still have money for a Weber 18" kettle or a couple briskets.
For 279 weber has the performer which has a better table/cart design in my opinion.
O and the lid holder. The same design Weber has just a slight better angle, still over 60 more than Webers equivalent model.
I think the few changes they made are great but to ask this much for it is crazy.
Any thoughts on the Kamado Joe Kettle Joe? Looks like a fairly comparable and interesting competitor to the SNS and Weber kettles. Love the channel and your expertise! Keep up the great work!
Thanks! Don’t really have any experience with the Kettle Joe. Looks interesting 😊
Im battling which to get
@@mrfaulk13 I’ve had my Kettle Joe now for a little under a year and I’m really enjoying it. There have been some major sales that I’ve seen on them lately and they are definitely worth the sale price. Have had to do a few mods to help it not leak, but overall it’s been a good purchase. Good hybrid between kettle and ceramic…a little of both worlds in this cooker.
Hey, Ry, enjoy your videos. Does the Weber rotisserie fit the SnS kettle? Thanks
Not sure. I haven’t tried that yet.
How are the metal parts holding up? Any rust on the ceramic coated parts or other metal parts? Overall durability rating?
How has the ceramic coating held up? I'm very disappointed with my Weber kettle grill. My parents have a 1988 ish model that has real heft and no rust. My Weber kettle that I bought in 2021 had the lid replaced after 6 months due to the coating failing. The bowl has large sections now where the coating has fallen off and is rusting.
Ry. Do you find the shorter clean out fins leaves too much ash in the kettle or does it clean out pretty much the same as other kettle grills ?
It cleans out pretty much like the Weber. I don't notice much difference.
Do you put the slow & sear on the same side as the smoke hole? Btw you sold me on this. They are backordered & I ordered one
I have it opposite. Otherwise ash can fall through it.
My major Con that will prevent me from buying the SNS grill is that they made the SNS for the Weber kettle, but when they decided to make their own grill my other Weber kettle accessories are not compatible with it.
new sub came from Smoky Ribs, Like what I see, Good video. 👍😎
Your gonna love the videos Loaderman!
Excellent review. My biggest complaint about the Weber is the fact that they locate the top vent and the lid thermometer over the coals. Haven't they ever heard of offset cooking?
I’d get a Weber performer with fold down table for the same price. No one needs probe holes anymore if you’re using a MEATER or two. You can always drill a hole for a fan later if you choose to. Also, the Weber performer is higher which is great for taller people like me. Weber all the way. I love my performer. I got it off Facebook for $100. Steal!
Touch'e !!! I agree 💯
After owning this grill for two years, there's a catch with all the modifications with this SNS grill. While I think the modifications are a step above a weber, the weber quality is far superior. Sometimes the SNS grill can feel flimsy, and it doesn't balance as well as a weber kettle.
If I'm using the SNS for a low and slow cook, am I putting it right on the smoke hole or across from it? Or does it matter?
Personally I put it across from the smoke hole so ash doesn’t drop through it.
@@CookingWithRy thanks for what you do!
Will the lid of the SnS fit the 22inch Weber kettle?
I haven’t tried swapping them so not sure.
The only con I can see and it may not bother some people is the paint or porcelain coating on it. Doesn't look like the same quality as a weber kettle. Other than that I would buy one.
I was wondering that too. In the first part of the vid when he shows us the probe port. It looks as if the finish is comming off around where the handle attached. If you see this Ry let us know. Thanks again for another great video.
There is that blemish there, and it pretty much matches what I've seen on my other kettles in different spots where some imperfection in the paint shows, particularly around connection points. On both my Webers there are similar spots where the leg holders are attached to the kettle body. I wish they all were perfect, but on almost all my cookers if I look carefully I can find some small cosmetic deficiency.
Ahh gotcha. Same with my webber.
My particular sns ash assembly keeps falling off. Drives me nuts. It's held on by metal tabs that keep popping out. Smh.
What is your opinion of the ash catcher and cleaning system between SNS and Weber?
They both do basically the same thing. No real difference in effectiveness between them even with more blades in the SnS.
I just remember when the sns kettle first came out Babyback Maniac mentioned the ash catcher was loose and not as good as the weber.
@@CookingWithRy agreed again. But I do like the handle on the sns better then squeezing the weber system.
very nice video Ry! (as always)
can you elaborate on your smoking set-up please?
as in relation to where the SnS charcoal basket goes to the position of the lower 'smoke hole', and also the lid vent position too.
currently I've got a WKG and the Weber charcoal baskets.
would like to purchase the full SNS grill this season.
Thanks!
You can arrange the placement of the SnS over the Smoke Hole, but I usually offset it by a few inches :)
What's the overall quality of this vs a Weber?
To me it seems the same or better. The assembly and instructions especially were top notch.
Will the Aura Kettle Zone work in the SNS Kettle Grill?
I haven't actually tried it. I would suspect it would, but can't be sure until I give that a go.
@@CookingWithRy please find out for cause i have the aura kettle zone and im thinking about buying the sns kettle grill
Does it have a high temp gasket on the lid?
It comes with a gasket but I didn’t bother. I personally don’t find a little smoke or heat leakage to be an issue. It’s so minimal.
@@CookingWithRy ok thank you sir.
Have you tried the old smokey?
No.
@@CookingWithRy I have one, I think they are a great camping grill/smoker.
To bad they don’t make a 26” guess I will have to buy a weber🤷♂️
what the sns accessory youre talking about?
The Slow n Sear. Since the company is now SnS Grills, versus Adrenaline Barbecue Company that was their old name, just saying Slow n Sear might confuse people new to BBQ.
@@CookingWithRy you talk about a slow n sear accessory though that you can put into the kettle, what is that accessory? see video at about 2:42 or so.
i wish they would come out with a 26"
Yes. The super heavy model 👍
Amen!!! I bought the sns. Glad I bought it. It beats the Webber by far. Love it.
Yet it doesn’t appear you could mount the Venom to it. That’s a big con.
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After years owning a weber kettle I replaced it with an sns grill, couldn't be happier, sorry weber but I won't be going back
1:02 Con #2 - Look at the weld and paint at the handle and the paint at the probe port.
The probe port is just smoke/heat discoloration. I have that on every cooker where high heat can escape. As for the blemishes, I have similar marks on one of my Webers around the leg brace attachment points. I generally don't hold those against the maker unless they are numerous on the unit. It would be nice if it wasn't there, but it's not a deal breaker to me.
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I don’t understand the 4 legs and side table comments everyone makes about the SnS grill. Sounds like a basic Weber Performer to me.
Sad thing is weber still refuses to do those things. Because of their name n they know people still gonna buy them
I have another con for this: Assembly is a PAIN! although you only need to assemble it once.
To me the pros dont make a big diff. I definitely stick with Weber due to warranty and customer service. Is there some from SNS? Besides the model is a copycat of Weber.
With those features it's no copycat. I love Weber (I own 2), but they've missed the boat bigtime by not listening to customers over the years. They could have made this kettle if they'd listened, and the fact that many of these mods can be made by adding aftermarket items (the shelf, the probe port, etc...) is a shame.
I almost gave you a thumbs down since those two seem lonely. :) It does look like a really cool grill and while I like Webers, it’s disappointing that they don’t support innovation for even small changes as well as to be honest, their vast community. Ah well, until that day I will bark at the moon. Have a great weekend Ry!
LOL. :)
Why's does it have visible rust / rust bubbles showing after only 7 months in a warm time? Also the hole for thermometers shouldnt be rusting in 7 months.
My 5 year old wsm with a silicon thermometer hole that spends every day out side in MN only has rust on the coal grate as expected.
Not hating on the sns. 4 legs and a side table is something weber should have done 30years ago. Also a silicon thermometer hole is such low hanging fruit, I can't believe weber corporate incompetence is so thick they haven't added one to their higher models.
Imagine you have a Weber kettle that's getting long in the tooth and you have an SnS thingie. You watch this video and say, "Darn, I'm getting a new kettle." Now imagine that you had to buy the new kettle with the SnS thingie. You'd have two thingies and would be out the extra money. Your con would really be a con for that guy.
Don't they point out on the website that the base model is for those with a slow n' seer? Yes they do! There are no cons.
The SnS accessory itself seems like a gimmick. You can easily just bank your coals on one side and then lay down a cheap roasting pan and fill it with water on the other side. There’s no need to spend $100.
Yeah, it really works better than that. I've done what you say, and it really doesn't work anywhere near like the SnS.
Webber has a hearing problem; they don't listen to customers. They think they've got a perfect design from 30 years ago, so they never change. Customer issues on quality from 40 years ago are still here.
I bet most early adopters already have the original sns
I was thinking the same thing :)
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