For me that was the most interesting review for ages AND at last an English reviewer who bothers to test for muzzle energy down range. I’ve always had an FAC in the cabinet - currently a Wildcat but I did have an R10 blue printed and it was amazingly accurate 177. The .25 intrigues me and I had a springer (sub 12) some years ago but the choice of pellets was far too small for me to be sure I was getting the best out of the gun. I’ve been a fan of BSA guns since my first Airsporter in the 1960’s and I’m really tempted by an R10 sub 12 or FAC. In sub 12 the .25 carries a thump that flattens anything in the way of pests in a barn but without over penetration and the danger of damaging roofs etc. Great review Andy.
Andy - a really good review. Its all about horses for courses. No air rifle does everything - know what you want it to do then select the rifle that does what you need it to do. Love the channel and look forward to more of the like.
Good morning Andy, 🙏 really loved the show today . 😀 packed full of information 👌 . You carnt go wrong buying a BSA rifle .... You shot very well today . I have a r10 in my collection, and yes I love ❤ it . You're new signs are trick . Thank you Simon from York England 🇬🇧 ... shoot safe
Had a fantastic Mk2 R10 for 5 years (it did go back to the factory from new with a barrel issue but was pellet on pellet afterward) however replaced with an older Mk2 R10 150th anniversary edition with a beautiful stock in 2020. The Reg gave up after 2 mags so I sent back to BSA for a new reg which I was fine with given the gun was 9 years old. However once it returned it did not shoot as I expected (nowhere near my other R10) but given my previous experience didn’t believe BSA to be at fault and proceeded to troubleshoot and try 10+ popular pellets. I even took it to a shop who chono’d it and said it was fine however I chrono’d it at a separate place months later after more inconclusive testing and it had serious reg problems. By this point the new reg was out of warranty (lockdown delayed testing). It’s since been back to BSA twice and is still not correct, it’s a shame as I also want it to be the last gun in my collection. Worth noting I have also owned a Defiant and have a first edition CLX and BSA mk1 meteor in the collection still so it’s not easy for me to be frustrated with BSA.
Hi Andy, preaching to the converted, I have an R10TH and would never give it up. Open up the case, it always makes me smile as it is beautiful to look at let alone use. Interesting review for me concerning the accuracy of pelletsvslugsvweights which has convinced me that my .22 version is right for me and paper targets. Thanks for yet another interesting review. Stay safe.
USA owner here. Love my BSA R10th .22 FAC! 50-yard grouping with JSB jumbo Heavy Diablos is less than 1-inch. Slugs like JSB jumbo monsters don’t fly straight. Only problem with my R10, wish I had the walnut stock. I have black pepper laminate and the stock is a bit too glossy.
That is indeed eye candy, also have an R10 and its amazing and can easily produce a tight group of touching shots at 50m, the gun's accuracy far exceeds my ability.
I've never seen the benefit, overall, of a FAC air rifle here in the UK. A .22" lr rimfire is much, much cheaper, and if you don't need the, say, 100ftlb of a 40 grain round nose, try shorts. 30 ftlb with a 29 grain round nose. My Henry .22" underlever will hold 21 shorts, and the only issue for the hunter would be the inability to fit a moderator to it. Of course there's always a bolt action with threaded barrel for that. My experience with BSA air rifles in the sub 12ftlb category has been good, with my T-10 being a favourite, and my Tench regulated Ultra was a belter before, like a fool, I sold it. The older BSA's have served me well too, but alas my R-10 experience was one which I'd rather not like to experience again. I've been mulling over the idea of a .25" for a year or two, just because, well, it intrigues me, even in sub 12ftlb, with all the limitations it will have, such as the increased arc of trajectory and the lack of a good pellet choice. However, I won't be stretching to the price of an R-10.
@@andrewharris4940 @andrew harris if you're going to turn it down too much, what's the point for the small stuff around a farm, at least here in the UK. Might as well stick to a good sub 12ftlb. In and around barns and the like I would think over penetration would be something to consider too, so again a sub 12lbft. Stretching out into the fields, over, say 35 to 40 yards, yes, an FAC would come into it's own, but in doing so it brings the rimfire back into reasoning. Shorts being of benefit, should the usual long rifle be too much.
The grey stock is 🔥🔥🔥😍💯 The energy retention on the 33.95s is impressive and leaves me with a lot more confidence at distances out to 100 yards. I push them at 900 FPS in my LCS and they are very accurate as well. Gotta try the Grizzly rounds soon. Great information. Thank you.
Thank you for very interesting and informative review. With a posable lead ban creeping up on us, it would have been Interesting to see how .25 lead free pellet performed in the sub 12 FP R10
Hi Andy, Thankyou for another fantastic air rifle review. I wasn't expecting it, so a lovely surprise. I love your humour, especially when you talked about having four air rifles, having had issues with all of them, their manufacturers' name beginning with D! No disrespect to anyone, it was just a lighthearted giggle. The fact is, few things in life run smoothly. When goods are made/manufactured, there's always the possibility of issues. I've had them myself. If we are lucky and the manufacturer takes on their responsibility to put things right, I think thats fair enough, and we can't ask for much more, although not the best scenario. I have been wondering about applying for FAC licence Andy, and have made up my mind with your review. I think I will stay as I am, and put all my energy into being as good as I can be with my sub 12ftlb and knowing where my .177 pellet is going to be at different distances. I think for me personally at this stage of my shooting, I would rather try and be much more accurate with what I am currently using, rather than jump in the oceans and not know where I am. I found your review, Andy, very helpful and your humour priceless, lol. I, too, think the BSA's are gorgeous and love the fact they are British and steeped in history. The black pepper stock looks gorgeous, absolutely fantastic, no question. However, I just couldn't be parted from my walnut. It would have to be parted from the death grips of my corpse, lol! Very best wishes, Andy, take care!
Hi Andy I’ve watched a few vid’s now and have subscribed to the channel … my point being, is I watch, and before I no it’s finished … I have no knowledge about any of the airguns, but the narrative, enthusiasm & explanation, the time just fly’s by … thx & keep on making the videos …😃
I have been interested in how .25 would work in a FAC air rifle, so I found this video very interesting. A comparison of relative bullet (pellet) drop over distances would be interesting though.
Ive had numerous airguns over the years. Always loved my BSA products .... Had the R10 in pepper stock and Ultra SE. Both great fun, especially the Ultra. Never had issues with any gun though. Great review by the way.
You can get a decent New springer for around £150 if You look about , and there is an Hatsan springer which gets some excellent revues for around £100 or less if You shop around . Then there is always the second hand section in most Gun shops where bargains can be had if Your patient and selective .
BSA and Gamo make fantastic rifles and guns. Anything made in volume is going to have a few duds. Gamo and BSA know and acknowledge these problems and resolve them immediately.
Hi Andy, Thank you for another great review. There's obviously a lot to think about when considering FAC. Alot of people think more power is the be all end all. However, like you said Andy, out at those distances, you've got wind age and accuracy and not the fore gone conclusion some people may think.
I agree with you on having a bolt action Andy. Andy are BSA guns very reliable and dependable as you say buddy. Because I might be interested in buying one some day.
Great vidio aar.i have a bsa r10 regulated and like you I've had no problems in the ten that I've had always had bsa guns since I was a kid they just fantastic.
I love the bsa .25 cal and have been using them from the 80s when everyone said you can't hunt with a .25 at 12ftlbs how wrong those people where and I still here it today .25 no point get a .177 or .22 well I have those to but the .25 is my preferred cal and I regularly take rabbits at 40 yards with my ultra .25 with instant death.
A lot of people have "Opinions" about sub 12 .25 & most of them have never owned one. I started shooting air rifles in 1964 on my grandfathers pig farm. Had lots of ,22 & .177s since, never had a .25 so a couple of years back got a .25 P15. Got used to it ways & i love it. Do pesting out to 25 -30 yards & rabbits hit are DEAD!. Sub 12 .25 is very good.
I NEEED one. Tho personally i prefere the regular wooden brown stock. Just give it a tiny bit of a touch of wood oil to get the grain to pop a touch more, and i'd be more than happy with it.
A very insightful review for what I think are somewhat niche markets. BSA? Top quality at a reasonable price. I have two R10s - an old one updated with a HUMA regulator and a 160 Commemorative (smiley face).
Unfortunately it's seems everything quality has a price, but there is a price above quality where it is just bling not purpose, BSA/GAMO are the quality without being bling and its those that perform much better, and it's British. Lovely reveiw Andy.
Hi Andy. Really like your show. I also like the . bsa r10. Mine loves the .22 hades. I had mine tuned by the Ratworks when the regulator stopped working. It is like a laser beam now. I cannot believe how accurate it is. But my .177 bsa ultra shoots like a shotgun with the hades, very strange. Thanks again
The only thing I can say is that the fac was rather slow out of the box. You really want to be in the mid 800’s to get the best out of the pellet. Can it be adjusted?
Hi Andy, I recently got a R-TEN 177 walnut in sub 12, it's a great gun and paired with a hawk sidewinder shoots great out to 50 yards on the range. I would recommend it to anyone, However it is better with the single shot tray than the magazine that can deform pellets. Great review thanks 👍🥸
Great show, Andy! I feel sorry for you Brits needing a license for an air gun... I how you guys can get that sorted out someday soon. Ooooohhhhh! Minelli walnut....! Pretty! 😜🤤
HI ANDY. I SHOOT A LOT OF RATS ON PIG FARMS AND I SHOOT OUT TO 30YDS WITH MY .25 CAL WITH NO PROBLEM. I HAVE A NUMBER OF RIFLES IN .177CAL AND .22CAL BUT THE .25 CAL HITS RATS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER IT SPINS THEM AROUND AND THEY GO WITH A RIGHT POP WHEN HIT. THERE ARE SOME VIDS OUT THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE RATS HEAR THE 25 CAL COMING AND BECAUSE OF THE SLOWER SPEED OF THE PELLETS. AND THE RATS MOVE BEFORE IMPACT
hi good review but with the lead free coming you could see how they would like none lead pellets i have a gamo phox and i love it keep up the good work m8
Changing the subject slightly Andy, but have you done a review/test of an Ultra SE in .25 calibre please,I’ve just bought a second hand one and I would like to know more about it,thanks regards Phil
Im with you, have my 25 cal impact mk 3 spitting out 26,5 Hades @ 1050 fps which is 66 ft lbs and Im accurate at 100 yrds. Im shooting foxes, coyotes, beavers, raccoons, and deer with that type of power. Im not wasting that type of power on a sparrow, or robin.
@@anthonygillespie7233 right on! I’m pushing 90fpe with my .25 maverick. 43.5G nsa slugs. Also have a Vulcan 3 in .30 cal pushing 120fpe running 59grain Zans 978fps. Constantly shooting birds and squirrels past 200 yards and even got a yotie at 180 yards
At those levels just get a .22 RF - cheaper, lighter, no bottles and shot count to worry about and much less fuss all round. At 30/40 ftlb the air rifle wins hands down - much more versatile. There are a very few shots with my rimfire that I couldn’t have taken with my FAC but loads of shots I take with my FAC that I wouldn’t dream of taking with a Rimfire for safety reasons.
@@grahamedwards9920 That's the good part of shooting pcps. The shots you wouldn't take I can because I can adjust my power levels. Besides, its fun to just shoot without people being afraid because they hear gun fire, and also when hunting you don't scare off the intended prey. Just the fact that these guns can do what rim fire rifles can do is amazing.
Im sorry to say that my R10 mk2 has been not as i expected with the regulator sticking and orings needing replaced two or three times. Ive had bsa since 1970 and this is the first one ive had anything but the best.......must have been a bad day mine came out. When its working well ive never had a gun that will put shot after shot on the same point
Nice revue & comparison of the sub 12lb & the FAC version . Perhaps this is a silly question , but would the BSA .25 FAC be powerful enough to take a Fox at close (sub 25 yards) or would You need something up in the AGT level or even more . Thanks to all in the Team for the video , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
@@ianvincent4911 My reasoning is I have a small permission where I can take rabbits & tree rats with My sub 12lb air rifle , but there are several foxes that the owner says prey on his chickens and have killed at least a couple of cats from the nearby caravan site, naturally he'd like to get rid of them . Problem is it's very close to a caravan site and is only about 75 yards from side to side and naturally I'm concerned about ricochet from a rim fire , and a possible solution could be an FAC airgun .These foxes are brazen (semi urban) and I've seen them walk within 20 yards or so of Me , they glance casually at me and the land owner, then just stroll off seemingly without a care in the world looking for the next easy meal .
@@richarddixon7276 I don't disagree with your reasoning, the problem is the home office approved calibres/weapons per quarry table in the back of the firearms guidance. FEOs are sticklers for it, as they then cannot be brought to task for following it. In your case, maybe a silenced shotgun with buckshot might be an option. FEOs also love recommending 17hmr, due to the alleged ricochet reduction.
Bought r10 realtree supercarbine 177 brand new, took it to the range 2mags x10 pellets seal went, sent back to bsa 2 weeks later got it back reg went, back to bsa another 2 weeks got it back, mag release clip jammed un able to load back to bsa another 2weeks got it back and would not group to save its life back to the shop for money back best steer clear of the r10 not worth the money or rhe hassle that comes with them.
I have been enjoying you explanation on the right air rifle for the job, I learned to understand that too. I still wish my old Gamo Whisper Fusion was still usable, at 1300 Ft per second I couldn't find a scope that would last more than a 100 to 200 rounds. The combined recoil of a break over spring style would just ruin the scope! Including the BSA it came with and two additional Nikon target scopes I bought over time. Is there a scope able to stand up to the forces this pallet rifle exerts on them?
Informative , I love my 22 BSA scorpion 10 years old now and hit more with it than my new 177 reign , need to get used to it I suppose might try heavier 177 pellets ?
I know quite a few lads from a couple of the clubs I use have had trouble with there r10 with the power going up and down quite a lot and effecting the accuracy
It’s the regulator. Very well known problem I’m afraid. Glad to see Andy hasn’t had any issues but the regs are know as a ticking bomb that goes at some point. Replace the original with a Huma and it’s fixed. Real shame BSA won’t spend a few pounds more when building them as it would kill the issue dead.
Love your work Andy but guess you have top be built like "Arnie" to wield these bad boys at 371 "KILOGRAMS" for the sub12 and 389 "KILOGRAMS" for the FAC version............ Wow!
Hi Andy can you please clear something up for me im about to but a hw110 but a few people are saying that it still has power issues. Loseing air Is this issue been fixed thanks David love the show I watch every Friday keep it going your doing fab😅😊
Hiya bud another good video as always is there a reason why BSA don't do anything with the .20 calibre and have you done a video of your 177 R10 in fac I'd be interested to the range's and groupings with it
Sorry Andy. I love your reviews, but as an individual, I cannot agree with your comments regarding BSA quality and service. Of course, I may be the odd person, but my BSA has not been reliable and the service under warranty has not been what it should be.
Just out of interest I use a Brocock Atomic at .22 I have searched all your vids and wonder why you have never tested it? Or any other Brocock gun PS I live in Canada.
The problem is… you should know that the Vulcan 3 was built around SLUGS. I saw your review and got a bit disappointed because you were using pellets… not even scratched the guns potentials.
Enjoyed the video, but I disagree that a sub 12 .25 is only good out to 20 metres. You should have taken it out to 25 and 30 metres and seen what it did. With the right zero you'd probably only be holding over .5 of a mildot.
Nice to own...but imo if you want hard hitting ho 22lr out to 80 yds....close vermin go sub12 in 22....for all round use ho 177 w bis mags.....rabbit problem? Most areas they are in decline 25 cal imo is a waste of time....I spent hundreds buggering about wi the cal.....stick to 22 if you must ho fac.
Slugs have a flared skirt and are hollow at the bottom , slugs usually have parallel side's and are solid, so are often much heavier though sometimes have an hollow point on the front to aid expansion .
Andy I've been looking at getting a R10 myself (to join my lovely HW100KS) and I love it in the Walnut sporter stock, however I can only find RH only ones, while yours appears to be a ambi stock? I shoot left handed so need ambi
I have the older r10 rather than the r10th. It's lovely. But find it a bit pellet pickie . It seemed to like longer pellets . Like h+n sniper magnums, which i cant get any more. But with regular jsb type diablo pellets every now and again it gets a stoppage. Dont suppose any one has any recommendations for alternative pellets?.
The .25 is a fine caliber for an airgun but, despite your admirable enthusiasm it is not suitable for sub 12 ft.lbs, but for very very close range, sub 15 yards, hunting or pest control. The muzzle velocity is less than that of a CO2 powered pistol and there is every chance of quick reacting pests moving while the pellet is in flight with undesirable consequences. Personally I consider a sub 12 ft.lbs .22 caliber ' mariginal ' for efficient hunting, so a .25 is a no no.
@@AAROnair hi, no I don’t.i am interested in a .25 semi auto with a little bit more stopping power pcp rifle.something that is legally under 17 joules but could be tuned for a little more..
@@paulbray9976 If you are in the U.K. this would be illegal without a license and could leave you with a potential 5 year prison sentence. Semi Automatic rifles are also illegal in the U.K. If you are not in the U.K., then buy a rifle at the power level your country will allow..
@@paulbray9976 By the way, you may want to think twice about putting comments like this on a public platform that everyone (including the police) has access to.
The only logic in the madness to me is the bore size, a 6mm barrel end is closer to the real 9mm than a air guns 4.5 so a 6mm BB gun looks more realistic. That’s my guess. But for now I’m happy with the law it mean I can own my glock 17 dual ammo and my hds68 without belonging to a club that wants to shoot each other lol. I only promote Tin cans, fruit and targets I never shoot living things.
Ooops.. sorry about the weight mix up, it was a very busy day guys…….there should be a decimal point in there 😏👍
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No worries 👍
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I thought it might be tricky to shoulder at 54.4 stone!!!!
I was thinking, with that kind of weight, that's not a rifle but a cannon ;-)
With all the plastic coming out these days, these were a breath of fresh air. What stunners!
For me that was the most interesting review for ages AND at last an English reviewer who bothers to test for muzzle energy down range. I’ve always had an FAC in the cabinet - currently a Wildcat but I did have an R10 blue printed and it was amazingly accurate 177.
The .25 intrigues me and I had a springer (sub 12) some years ago but the choice of pellets was far too small for me to be sure I was getting the best out of the gun. I’ve been a fan of BSA guns since my first Airsporter in the 1960’s and I’m really tempted by an R10 sub 12 or FAC. In sub 12 the .25 carries a thump that flattens anything in the way of pests in a barn but without over penetration and the danger of damaging roofs etc.
Great review Andy.
Congratulations Andy on your new Laminate stock. It was great seeing the inner kid come out on this episode.
Andy - a really good review. Its all about horses for courses. No air rifle does everything - know what you want it to do then select the rifle that does what you need it to do. Love the channel and look forward to more of the like.
Good morning Andy, 🙏 really loved the show today . 😀 packed full of information 👌 . You carnt go wrong buying a BSA rifle .... You shot very well today . I have a r10 in my collection, and yes I love ❤ it . You're new signs are trick . Thank you Simon from York England 🇬🇧 ... shoot safe
Had a fantastic Mk2 R10 for 5 years (it did go back to the factory from new with a barrel issue but was pellet on pellet afterward) however replaced with an older Mk2 R10 150th anniversary edition with a beautiful stock in 2020. The Reg gave up after 2 mags so I sent back to BSA for a new reg which I was fine with given the gun was 9 years old. However once it returned it did not shoot as I expected (nowhere near my other R10) but given my previous experience didn’t believe BSA to be at fault and proceeded to troubleshoot and try 10+ popular pellets. I even took it to a shop who chono’d it and said it was fine however I chrono’d it at a separate place months later after more inconclusive testing and it had serious reg problems. By this point the new reg was out of warranty (lockdown delayed testing). It’s since been back to BSA twice and is still not correct, it’s a shame as I also want it to be the last gun in my collection.
Worth noting I have also owned a Defiant and have a first edition CLX and BSA mk1 meteor in the collection still so it’s not easy for me to be frustrated with BSA.
Hi Andy, preaching to the converted, I have an R10TH and would never give it up. Open up the case, it always makes me smile as it is beautiful to look at let alone use. Interesting review for me concerning the accuracy of pelletsvslugsvweights which has convinced me that my .22 version is right for me and paper targets. Thanks for yet another interesting review. Stay safe.
USA owner here. Love my BSA R10th .22 FAC! 50-yard grouping with JSB jumbo Heavy Diablos is less than 1-inch. Slugs like JSB jumbo monsters don’t fly straight.
Only problem with my R10, wish I had the walnut stock. I have black pepper laminate and the stock is a bit too glossy.
That is indeed eye candy, also have an R10 and its amazing and can easily produce a tight group of touching shots at 50m, the gun's accuracy far exceeds my ability.
Absolutely beautiful looking rifle, especially the stock. The best I've ever seen. Very reliable workmanship.
You haven't seen the HW100 kt laminate stock then.
Great icing on the cake in anticipation for my R10s arrival in 2 days, thanks to you and your review on it.!
I've never seen the benefit, overall, of a FAC air rifle here in the UK. A .22" lr rimfire is much, much cheaper, and if you don't need the, say, 100ftlb of a 40 grain round nose, try shorts. 30 ftlb with a 29 grain round nose. My Henry .22" underlever will hold 21 shorts, and the only issue for the hunter would be the inability to fit a moderator to it. Of course there's always a bolt action with threaded barrel for that. My experience with BSA air rifles in the sub 12ftlb category has been good, with my T-10 being a favourite, and my Tench regulated Ultra was a belter before, like a fool, I sold it. The older BSA's have served me well too, but alas my R-10 experience was one which I'd rather not like to experience again. I've been mulling over the idea of a .25" for a year or two, just because, well, it intrigues me, even in sub 12ftlb, with all the limitations it will have, such as the increased arc of trajectory and the lack of a good pellet choice. However, I won't be stretching to the price of an R-10.
30 ft lbs out of 22 short 29 grain?
@@andrewharris4940 @andrew harris if you're going to turn it down too much, what's the point for the small stuff around a farm, at least here in the UK. Might as well stick to a good sub 12ftlb. In and around barns and the like I would think over penetration would be something to consider too, so again a sub 12lbft. Stretching out into the fields, over, say 35 to 40 yards, yes, an FAC would come into it's own, but in doing so it brings the rimfire back into reasoning. Shorts being of benefit, should the usual long rifle be too much.
Great episode, I love BSA. Unfortunately no supplies bringing them into Canada anymore ☹️
The grey stock is 🔥🔥🔥😍💯 The energy retention on the 33.95s is impressive and leaves me with a lot more confidence at distances out to 100 yards. I push them at 900 FPS in my LCS and they are very accurate as well. Gotta try the Grizzly rounds soon. Great information. Thank you.
Gadzooks a nearly 400 kg gun. Must be that black pepper. Heard it's heavy stuff.. awesome looking rifles though and splendid video as always
The more I watch you review BSA air rifles, the more jealous I get that I don't have one! Great review Andy, you definitely enjoyed this one!
Thank you for very interesting and informative review. With a posable lead ban creeping up on us, it would have been Interesting to see how .25 lead free pellet performed in the sub 12 FP R10
Hi Andy,
Thankyou for another fantastic air rifle review. I wasn't expecting it, so a lovely surprise.
I love your humour, especially when you talked about having four air rifles, having had issues with all of them, their manufacturers' name beginning with D!
No disrespect to anyone, it was just a lighthearted giggle.
The fact is, few things in life run smoothly. When goods are made/manufactured, there's always the possibility of issues. I've had them myself. If we are lucky and the manufacturer takes on their responsibility to put things right, I think thats fair enough, and we can't ask for much more, although not the best scenario.
I have been wondering about applying for FAC licence Andy, and have made up my mind with your review.
I think I will stay as I am, and put all my energy into being as good as I can be with my sub 12ftlb and knowing where my .177 pellet is going to be at different distances. I think for me personally at this stage of my shooting, I would rather try and be much more accurate with what I am currently using, rather than jump in the oceans and not know where I am.
I found your review, Andy, very helpful and your humour priceless, lol. I, too, think the BSA's are gorgeous and love the fact they are British and steeped in history. The black pepper stock looks gorgeous, absolutely fantastic, no question. However, I just couldn't be parted from my walnut. It would have to be parted from the death grips of my corpse, lol!
Very best wishes, Andy, take care!
Hi Andy I’ve watched a few vid’s now and have subscribed to the channel … my point being, is I watch, and before I no it’s finished … I have no knowledge about any of the airguns, but the narrative, enthusiasm & explanation, the time just fly’s by … thx & keep on making the videos …😃
I have been interested in how .25 would work in a FAC air rifle, so I found this video very interesting. A comparison of relative bullet (pellet) drop over distances would be interesting though.
That black pepper stock is gorgeous!
Ive had numerous airguns over the years. Always loved my BSA products .... Had the R10 in pepper stock and Ultra SE. Both great fun, especially the Ultra. Never had issues with any gun though. Great review by the way.
Wish I could get back into shooting, it’s been nearly 20 years since I last picked up a rifle for target shooting
You can get a decent New springer for around £150 if You look about , and there is an Hatsan springer which gets some excellent revues for around £100 or less if You shop around . Then there is always the second hand section in most Gun shops where bargains can be had if Your patient and selective .
Zans slugs are really good and dood price. I use them in my hw 100 and my mate uses them in his fx impact. And another in his fx mav. So accurate
BSA and Gamo make fantastic rifles and guns. Anything made in volume is going to have a few duds. Gamo and BSA know and acknowledge these problems and resolve them immediately.
Hi Andy,
Thank you for another great review. There's obviously a lot to think about when considering FAC.
Alot of people think more power is the be all end all. However, like you said Andy, out at those distances, you've got wind age and accuracy and not the fore gone conclusion some people may think.
I agree with you on having a bolt action Andy. Andy are BSA guns very reliable and dependable as you say buddy. Because I might be interested in buying one some day.
Always a great channel to watch and thanks 👍🏻
Great video as always, I would try some zan slugs in 177, they expand so so well
Great vidio aar.i have a bsa r10 regulated and like you I've had no problems in the ten that I've had always had bsa guns since I was a kid they just fantastic.
Fabulous video and so enlightening,you are so appreciated for all your wonderful work for our sport👍
That grey laminate stock is gorgeous. Maybe have to start saving up.
I love the bsa .25 cal and have been using them from the 80s when everyone said you can't hunt with a .25 at 12ftlbs how wrong those people where and I still here it today .25 no point get a .177 or .22 well I have those to but the .25 is my preferred cal and I regularly take rabbits at 40 yards with my ultra .25 with instant death.
A lot of people have "Opinions" about sub 12 .25 & most of them have never owned one. I started shooting air rifles in 1964 on my grandfathers pig farm. Had lots of ,22 & .177s since, never had a .25 so a couple of years back got a .25 P15. Got used to it ways & i love it. Do pesting out to 25 -30 yards & rabbits hit are DEAD!. Sub 12 .25 is very good.
Im tempted ... and a little lighter pellet would give it a bit flatter trajectory , without compromising too much " thump " .. Mmmm
love my R10 in midnight blue
Ah what’s up doc ! 🐇 looks like a winner love BSA . Thanks Andy !
I NEEED one. Tho personally i prefere the regular wooden brown stock. Just give it a tiny bit of a touch of wood oil to get the grain to pop a touch more, and i'd be more than happy with it.
I want one after that review. I love that black pepper stock. 😍
Great Review ! Thank you !
Good stuff Andy, very informative.
there's nothing like a long smooth bolt action 😍
A very insightful review for what I think are somewhat niche markets. BSA? Top quality at a reasonable price. I have two R10s - an old one updated with a HUMA regulator and a 160 Commemorative (smiley face).
Unfortunately it's seems everything quality has a price, but there is a price above quality where it is just bling not purpose, BSA/GAMO are the quality without being bling and its those that perform much better, and it's British.
Lovely reveiw Andy.
Hi Andy. Really like your show. I also like the . bsa r10. Mine loves the .22 hades. I had mine tuned by the Ratworks when the regulator stopped working. It is like a laser beam now. I cannot believe how accurate it is. But my .177 bsa ultra shoots like a shotgun with the hades, very strange. Thanks again
BSA is my favorite brand........🎯👍
Thanks Andy great review. I am in love with the stock, now to beg the wife haha. Keep up the Awesome Review Details are amazing
Nice one Andy, keep them coming.
Brilliant shooting Andy ;-)
super looking rifles love your hobby
The only thing I can say is that the fac was rather slow out of the box. You really want to be in the mid 800’s to get the best out of the pellet. Can it be adjusted?
Hi Andy, I recently got a R-TEN 177 walnut in sub 12, it's a great gun and paired with a hawk sidewinder shoots great out to 50 yards on the range. I would recommend it to anyone, However it is better with the single shot tray than the magazine that can deform pellets.
Great review thanks 👍🥸
Great show, Andy! I feel sorry for you Brits needing a license for an air gun... I how you guys can get that sorted out someday soon. Ooooohhhhh! Minelli walnut....! Pretty! 😜🤤
I have the r10th in 22 12ft/b and it loves the hades grouping is pellet on pellet at 20mtrs really fancy the fac one now 👍
it will be interesting to see how the lead ban will affect 25 in the sub 1lb
HI ANDY. I SHOOT A LOT OF RATS ON PIG FARMS AND I SHOOT OUT TO 30YDS WITH MY .25 CAL WITH NO PROBLEM. I HAVE A NUMBER OF RIFLES IN .177CAL AND .22CAL BUT THE .25 CAL HITS RATS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER IT SPINS THEM AROUND AND THEY GO WITH A RIGHT POP WHEN HIT. THERE ARE SOME VIDS OUT THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE RATS HEAR THE 25 CAL COMING AND BECAUSE OF THE SLOWER SPEED OF THE PELLETS. AND THE RATS MOVE BEFORE IMPACT
My theoben rapid .25 fac is a sweet rifle.
BSA guns are awesome.......
hi good review but with the lead free coming you could see how they would like none lead pellets i have a gamo phox and i love it keep up the good work m8
Lovely guns
Another Great Review Cheers Andy👍👍
Hi Andy did you send me a message to text you ??
From what heard before, them Grizzlys mostly do not somehow suit most airguns. But all of these pellets were well good enough.
Changing the subject slightly Andy, but have you done a review/test of an Ultra SE in .25 calibre please,I’ve just bought a second hand one and I would like to know more about it,thanks regards Phil
Where is the FAC version for sale ? Can it be purchased from the US , and shipped there ?
The market is just changing, personally don’t see any point buying a .25 that doesn’t have atleast 65-70fpe
Im with you, have my 25 cal impact mk 3 spitting out 26,5 Hades @ 1050 fps which is 66 ft lbs and Im accurate at 100 yrds. Im shooting foxes, coyotes, beavers, raccoons, and deer with that type of power. Im not wasting that type of power on a sparrow, or robin.
@@anthonygillespie7233 right on! I’m pushing 90fpe with my .25 maverick. 43.5G nsa slugs. Also have a Vulcan 3 in .30 cal pushing 120fpe running 59grain Zans 978fps. Constantly shooting birds and squirrels past 200 yards and even got a yotie at 180 yards
@@Oregon-airguns Pretty good power, what your barrel length, and have you added any other upgrades to your guns ?
At those levels just get a .22 RF - cheaper, lighter, no bottles and shot count to worry about and much less fuss all round. At 30/40 ftlb the air rifle wins hands down - much more versatile. There are a very few shots with my rimfire that I couldn’t have taken with my FAC but loads of shots I take with my FAC that I wouldn’t dream of taking with a Rimfire for safety reasons.
@@grahamedwards9920 That's the good part of shooting pcps. The shots you wouldn't take I can because I can adjust my power levels. Besides, its fun to just shoot without people being afraid because they hear gun fire, and also when hunting you don't scare off the intended prey. Just the fact that these guns can do what rim fire rifles can do is amazing.
Im sorry to say that my R10 mk2 has been not as i expected with the regulator sticking and orings needing replaced two or three times. Ive had bsa since 1970 and this is the first one ive had anything but the best.......must have been a bad day mine came out. When its working well ive never had a gun that will put shot after shot on the same point
Nice revue & comparison of the sub 12lb & the FAC version . Perhaps this is a silly question , but would the BSA .25 FAC be powerful enough to take a Fox at close (sub 25 yards) or would You need something up in the AGT level or even more . Thanks to all in the Team for the video , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
If in the UK, I doubt your FEO would allow you to have Fox on a FAC air rifle slot. 22LR is only acceptable at short distance.
@@ianvincent4911 My reasoning is I have a small permission where I can take rabbits & tree rats with My sub 12lb air rifle , but there are several foxes that the owner says prey on his chickens and have killed at least a couple of cats from the nearby caravan site, naturally he'd like to get rid of them . Problem is it's very close to a caravan site and is only about 75 yards from side to side and naturally I'm concerned about ricochet from a rim fire , and a possible solution could be an FAC airgun .These foxes are brazen (semi urban) and I've seen them walk within 20 yards or so of Me , they glance casually at me and the land owner, then just stroll off seemingly without a care in the world looking for the next easy meal .
@@richarddixon7276 I don't disagree with your reasoning, the problem is the home office approved calibres/weapons per quarry table in the back of the firearms guidance. FEOs are sticklers for it, as they then cannot be brought to task for following it. In your case, maybe a silenced shotgun with buckshot might be an option. FEOs also love recommending 17hmr, due to the alleged ricochet reduction.
Andy could you please review a hw100 or other gun's in. 20
Dang those look nice!
Bought r10 realtree supercarbine 177 brand new, took it to the range 2mags x10 pellets seal went, sent back to bsa 2 weeks later got it back reg went, back to bsa another 2 weeks got it back, mag release clip jammed un able to load back to bsa another 2weeks got it back and would not group to save its life back to the shop for money back best steer clear of the r10 not worth the money or rhe hassle that comes with them.
fac .22 great for knocking squirrels off the branch
I have been enjoying you explanation on the right air rifle for the job, I learned to understand that too. I still wish my old Gamo Whisper Fusion was still usable, at 1300 Ft per second I couldn't find a scope that would last more than a 100 to 200 rounds. The combined recoil of a break over spring style would just ruin the scope! Including the BSA it came with and two additional Nikon target scopes I bought over time. Is there a scope able to stand up to the forces this pallet rifle exerts on them?
Informative , I love my 22 BSA scorpion 10 years old now and hit more with it than my new 177 reign , need to get used to it I suppose might try heavier 177 pellets ?
I know quite a few lads from a couple of the clubs I use have had trouble with there r10 with the power going up and down quite a lot and effecting the accuracy
It’s the regulator. Very well known problem I’m afraid. Glad to see Andy hasn’t had any issues but the regs are know as a ticking bomb that goes at some point. Replace the original with a Huma and it’s fixed.
Real shame BSA won’t spend a few pounds more when building them as it would kill the issue dead.
Love your work Andy but guess you have top be built like "Arnie" to wield these bad boys at 371 "KILOGRAMS" for the sub12 and 389 "KILOGRAMS" for the FAC version............ Wow!
Perfect air rifles for the weight lifters amongst us then.
Hi Andy can you please clear something up for me im about to but a hw110 but a few people are saying that it still has power issues. Loseing air
Is this issue been fixed thanks David love the show I watch every Friday keep it going your doing fab😅😊
It's simple buy weirauch .. spring, gas ram, or pcp and put f&t specials in it! Simple as that 👌
Hiya bud another good video as always is there a reason why BSA don't do anything with the .20 calibre and have you done a video of your 177 R10 in fac I'd be interested to the range's and groupings with it
Hi Andy🤙
When you think BSA, you think proper gun. 👍
Sorry Andy. I love your reviews, but as an individual, I cannot agree with your comments regarding BSA quality and service. Of course, I may be the odd person, but my BSA has not been reliable and the service under warranty has not been what it should be.
Most accurate model and cal of BSA to date?
would this be safe to say that outside the EU this has a lot more power or are they like beeman?
Just out of interest I use a Brocock Atomic at .22 I have searched all your vids and wonder why you have never tested it? Or any other Brocock gun PS I live in Canada.
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The problem is… you should know that the Vulcan 3 was built around SLUGS. I saw your review and got a bit disappointed because you were using pellets… not even scratched the guns potentials.
Andy BSA R10 TH or Weihrauch HW100 TH laminate
Enjoyed the video, but I disagree that a sub 12 .25 is only good out to 20 metres. You should have taken it out to 25 and 30 metres and seen what it did. With the right zero you'd probably only be holding over .5 of a mildot.
Nice to own...but imo if you want hard hitting ho 22lr out to 80 yds....close vermin go sub12 in 22....for all round use ho 177 w bis mags.....rabbit problem? Most areas they are in decline
25 cal imo is a waste of time....I spent hundreds buggering about wi the cal.....stick to 22 if you must ho fac.
389KG? What energy drink do you dronk?
Love your channel anyway.
371KG?
What's the difference between a slug and a pellet ?
Slugs have a flared skirt and are hollow at the bottom , slugs usually have parallel side's and are solid, so are often much heavier though sometimes have an hollow point on the front to aid expansion .
Surely pellets
@@andrewthomson7462 ?
PELLETS have a flared skirt...... SLUGS etc
@@andrewthomson7462 Thank You, My Typo ! Doh !
I hate this channel. I watch it every week &, every week I want a new rifle 😂 Just stop it please, it's just too much temptation.
Andy I've been looking at getting a R10 myself (to join my lovely HW100KS) and I love it in the Walnut sporter stock, however I can only find RH only ones, while yours appears to be a ambi stock? I shoot left handed so need ambi
The R10 th (thumb hole) is an ambi stock.
@@Nic-td3fm yeah I know but his older R10 also had a ambi stock
12ft is to low a power 18ft is enough to make it serviceable ...
I have the older r10 rather than the r10th. It's lovely. But find it a bit pellet pickie . It seemed to like longer pellets . Like h+n sniper magnums, which i cant get any more. But with regular jsb type diablo pellets every now and again it gets a stoppage. Dont suppose any one has any recommendations for alternative pellets?.
Mike I have an r10se and it likes AA Diablo field 5.52 at 16 grains. Very accurate with those pellets
@@ian436 cheers . I'll give them a go
The .25 is a fine caliber for an airgun but, despite your admirable enthusiasm it is not suitable for sub 12 ft.lbs, but for very very close range, sub 15 yards, hunting or pest control. The muzzle velocity is less than that of a CO2 powered pistol and there is every chance of quick reacting pests moving while the pellet is in flight with undesirable consequences. Personally I consider a sub 12 ft.lbs .22 caliber ' mariginal ' for efficient hunting, so a .25 is a no no.
Looking good! That stock is sexy
Can the sub 12 be tweaked for more power.
have you got an FAC?
@@AAROnair hi, no I don’t.i am interested in a .25 semi auto with a little bit more stopping power pcp rifle.something that is legally under 17 joules but could be tuned for a little more..
@@paulbray9976 If you are in the U.K. this would be illegal without a license and could leave you with a potential 5 year prison sentence. Semi Automatic rifles are also illegal in the U.K. If you are not in the U.K., then buy a rifle at the power level your country will allow..
@@paulbray9976 By the way, you may want to think twice about putting comments like this on a public platform that everyone (including the police) has access to.
The only logic in the madness to me is the bore size, a 6mm barrel end is closer to the real 9mm than a air guns 4.5 so a 6mm BB gun looks more realistic. That’s my guess. But for now I’m happy with the law it mean I can own my glock 17 dual ammo and my hds68 without belonging to a club that wants to shoot each other lol. I only promote Tin cans, fruit and targets I never shoot living things.