Imagine C8 owners paying $120-140k for a $60k-80k Msrp. Cheap when they came out, then boom 🤯 TISM out of no where. The government says you must pay an dealer fee just because lol
I had to pay about 2k above msrp on a subaru back in 2021 but I also got a 4.5% interest rate on it and they hold their value very well and I put down about 8k. And it was the only one in my whole state in the color I wanted. As of now it's worth at least 10k more than I owe on it.
@@DavidWenger-tw4dz why would you say that so confidently though? Obviously, if he is complaining about $350 lug nuts, then $750 would not make any sense..?
A car that has been sitting on the lot for over a year is no longer new from a practical stand point. I'd rather buy a lightly used model that has been garaged and mantained than a lot rotted model.
Remember the days when those vehicles actually had a name (Leftovers) and they were offered at deep discounts just to get them off the lot. I bought several Leftovers over the years cause I always got deep discounts and I planned on keeping them long term but now it seems they tack on premiums the longer they sit there. I hope they lose their asses on em one day
Great channel you have. I bought the 2023 Purple Super Bee Widebody in Temple Texas (Mac Haik) about three weeks ago. MSRP was $70,480. I got it for 10% below MSRP at $63,432. A little bit higher than the $60k you mentioned. It's a blast to drive. I've already put over 1,000 miles on it. It is my daily drive.
You laugh at people extending the life of their car? My scat pack gets driven probably 5 times a month. I want it to last forever not have 200k miles on it after 5 years @AVV-cd2rk
Had mines for 3 years only put 14k miles on it I have it park in the garage don’t have the interest of driving it much due to thief an I just purchased a v6Camaro that’s my daily driver
You're better off buying a used Dodge Charger for less then $99,000. They're smoking the good stuff. And $117,000, no one's gonna buy that. It'll be on the lot forever.
@@daviduruski7848 I'm actually talking about because the dealerships are pricing their cars so high, they must be smoking good stuff, or they're crazy. One or the other. That's all I'm really saying. I think it's better to get a used Dodge Charger, hopefully with a good interest rate.
Love the "Markup at Dodge Dealerships" videos. It would be interesting for you to go to GM or Ford dealerships to see what kind of markups they're asking to see if they're as insane.
I actually made an offer on the Purple Super Bee Charger over 4 months ago. I offered 70K cash money. I was told no way they had more in it, wouldn't budget on the price, they told me that they had other buyers wanting it, funny it is still on the lot months later still for sale.
The plum crazy is more expensive and why tue demand they can sell it more than MSRP why arr you complaining even at 55 you dont have the money broke boy
Let it sit till the end of the year. They will be begging for a buyer. My local dealer is in the same boat. They have like 12 scat packs been sitting almost 1.5 years.
Dodges arent even worth their MSRP price which is why they're all depreciating so much and people are realizing that so idk how these dealers think some fool is going to walk in and give them $100k for a scat instead of getting a loaded M3 competition that is a better car in every way
Is there a bank on this planet that would finance a 100k scat pack that’s 2 model years old? That would be about the most predatory thing a lender could do. You’ll be paying that car off for a century and you’ll be underwater until the day you die, and then your kids will be underwater, all because you paid 3x what the car is worth in this market.
I don’t think so. Maybe 2 or 3 years ago but today lending has tightened up quite a bit. I’ve heard people mention for just a regular hellcat the bank was asking for $25,000 down and people just don’t have that kind of money
Just insane. Cars have been baking in the sun for over a year. Even at MSRP you are taking a chance on issues from lot rot and premature paint issues. You are much better off buying a gently used version for half the cost.
Not Towbin Dodge. They told me we sell below invoice and all the vehicles come with Mandatory add-ons. I was told that these cannot be removed as the come with them from Dodge. I said show me proof on the equipment list or on the Monroney label. Crickets. After a bit he said our prices is way below invoice and employee pricing. I walked away. So does not apply to Towbin Dodge.
Wow the price of the super bee is ridiculous. Honeybee, bumblebee, or super bee one hundred thousand dollars is insulting. At the end of the day when you pop that hood it’s a scat. Please don’t get me wrong I love scats. I have one myself, but I’m blown away that these dealerships with these lots that are standing room only are still asking these prices.? 🤦🏿♂️
Those were 2023s. There are no new 2023s. They deprecated the same as if you drove them. Especially since the 2024s are same thing. They are doing to to themselves
yes it's crazy the other day car edge called to ask for a 2022 Kia...an EV Kia which are unsellable and depreciate 50% day1 add to this it's already 2 years old they wanted at least MSRP
It's considered new if its never been registered/titled for up to 2 years of the build date. They will more than likely need to be marked down to sell, but dealerships aren't required to do so.
The purple charger just parked in the dirt made me laugh. They couldn’t as least clean it up & put it inside of their showroom? Nope, they’d rather have it sitting outside for 300+ days. What a shame….
I consider myself fortunate, '23 Shakedown edition for $57,000 (used with 600 miles) and '23 Hellcat (narrow body, F8 Green, ACC, NAV, Laguna leather, sunroof, etc., for less than $74,000; 13 miles when I drove it off the lot. $12,000 below MSRP. Great dealership in KY, Dan Cummins; ask for Murdoch and he'll hook you up. Almost traded the Shakedown on the Hellcat but love driving it so much I kept it. Keep calling out them out, hopefully you'll keep someone from taking the bait.
Dealers are gonna be buried in EVs, just cause they build them doesn’t mean people will buy them. And imagine trying to sell a Hemi owner on upgrading to a new EV model…
This dealership will NEVER sell those vehicles at those prices. They are beyond absurd. Any dealership that is sitting on a new vehicle for 365 days on the lot and they still have it marked up above sticker is not living in reality. The only logical conclusion one could draw is they don't care if sell it. Which means to me that this particular dealership is probably one in a chain of dealerships that the principle owns-and they a very profitable somewhere else. Because if you have cars that have been sitting on the lot for 450 days and 368 days respectively and your still asking above sticker-it just doesn't make sense.
It is funny they say you have to pay more for a V8 car because it is the last ones THEY are making when Ford is going ahead with the V8 for the foreseeable future.
Yes I like these types of videos. But also like the ones covering the manufacturer and people who need help. Thanks for all the efforts of going to dealerships!
You said Mellenials can’t drive stick but I was born in 87 and I’ve been driving manual since I was 10 on a kubota tractor. I’ve owned more manuals than autos but I also hate that that generation supposedly started in the mid 80’s. I don’t claim it. I swear it’s 90’s and up, I grew up and live more old school. There’s like a generational line right there, arguably the first couple of years of the 90’s is when it truly started
If you can't get 100k miles out of you aren't doing maintenance properly and bearing the shít out of it. I have a 96 ram that's been in the family since new, 236000 miles and counting. Only issues I ever had was idiot shops screwing things up. They can't even do an alignment correctly these days
There’s already a lot of the Dodges that are 4-5 years old that have 200k+ miles on them and still run like new so I’m afraid your comment won’t hold water
There is something that people may not realize that is at stake here. This guy is one of the few who is showing the failures of moral and ethics around dealerships in the US. This whole idea of just letting them put markups on top of MSRP or charge a thousand dollars for a set of mats and nitrogen filled tires. Then, you maybe think it is ok. But it is not ok for the majority of Americans who want to buy cars at a fair price. When I say that, it is the MSRP price. This is because it is the expected fair price set by the industry, which includes profit for the manufacturer AND dealership. If you believe that dealerships have the right to charge wherever they want. Then you should understand that the same rights and freedom that a dealership has, the consumers have to step into a dealership and show what is being practiced. Just letting the dealership add markup and make it a "hidden" practice, it is just unethical and immoral. And if people get mad be dealerships are practicing markups on top of MSRP. It is because the consumer doesn't want that. Let the freedom work on both ways. Be the consumer, showing the practices in the same way as a dealership can charge markups on top of MSRP cars.
If anyone buys a vehicle sitting on a lot for a year or more get it checked out. Check out some videos of what happens to today's fuels after it's been sitting for 6 months or longer. Older gasoline up to the 90's used to turn to varnish. Today's fuels turn to a type of hard crystally gunk that will destroy a fuel system.
We should also suspect the oil and filter as being bad after a year, and change both immediately. That's an add-on that a dealership should put on the stickers of these unwanted cars.
Deduct the lot rot from sitting for so long and it should be below msrp. Sad that some of this dealers still live in fantasy land. Especially since dodge/ chrysler are on the verge of collapse.
You asked what we think of the Super Bee Charger. (Overall I like the car and color) 1) DIslike 4 door cars ( how many people would love to have a 1969 Superbee in 4 door version vs 2 door?, lol, I think people like the current one because they had no other options and were just happy to get the hemi engine regardless of what car it was in. Sure there could be some people out there who really prefer 4 door performance cars). 2) Color nice 3) Stubby looking side stripes are not appealing. 4) Superbee Badge is cool 5) Dislike all black on the rims 5) Prices are ridiculous (base models now selling in the 25k range on lots, for 75 k more, you get an engine, some badges and some drag radials?) The sales volume of these would have been much higher had they made more and not price gouged. 2 6) Not a fan of the current charger bodystyle. Much prefer classic SuperBees of late 60s.
After watching the whole video, it should be illegal and capped on what dealers can charge. It should be a crime. Even without the markups, those prices are OUT of control. I am from TN though and things are a bit cheaper...but not by much.
@@Lagann0problem is there are alot of people with more money than brains that don't care and that hurts the entire market for all the rest of us. It isn't just effecting the people paying too much.
@midnight347 I'm 6'5", I stand next to them at cars and coffee every other weekend... I'm sure a 6'5" person might fit, but it definitely wouldn't be comfortable
Wait six months because for the next two quarters, Stellantis sales are likely to be close to ZERO. Why buy a Stellantis product when a good probability exists that the warranty won't exist in a year or two. Revenues close to ZERO are a BIG problem. Most likely a CJDR dealer can't drop their prices because they would have to realize a loss. WAIT until either the floorplan companies repo dealers' cars or if you have a dealers license buy them at the auction. Sooner or later, CJDR dealers are going to be terminating in mass their franchises. The units are likely to be sold off as is with a HUGE discount.
Great stuff Brad, if these sales people are going to spew this BS and you teach them a thing or two, it's on the job training. You are so much nicer to them then I am
So true, the front line is just a mirror image of the management there. Sooooo how you filmed it is how it goes when you don't want to get screwed. Let em cry
Sad to see how American car companies wrecked themselves. I always thought they should've had a low price 4-Cylinder Charger and Challenger going for $19999. Would've been the hottest thing..
I absolutely love the superbee! My dream spec too. Wish they would stop smoking rocks and come back to reality on the prices. That superbee is a 60,000$ car max.
Chrysler products, Stellantis? Good luck. If you live in a warm climate, maybe it won't start rusting as fast. There's a reason why Consumer Reports rates most of their products as good to avoid with the problems they have. Who has the money to pay even 50,000 for a car? The manufacturers' greed is finally catching up with them.
People forget that MSRP stands for “Suggested” manufacturer’s retail price. The “suggested” price in this case is absurd based on all events related to Dodge’s fall from grace since the pandemic. The MSRP should be downgraded 10-15% and THEN we start with 10-20% markdowns.
your "why doesn't the "last model" matter for tradeins" hit me in the gut that's my case I have a limited edition 150 cars in the country of a car not made anymore and they offer me laughable trade-in money on the other hand they want MSRP and more for a new car when their lot is full of them, I almost signed due to fomo but dealer delayed until he found the perfect buyer and make max profit and now I wisened up
10:22 They park a "$100,000" car on the dirt, not a truck, but this car. That makes me want to race over there to buy it, and they had to drive over a curb to get it into the planter.
You treated that salesman perfect. I have NO problem with asking the right questions. If they want to be in that line of work. They should expect serious questions. Just my thoughts, Ron
My belief is these dealerships are sticking to markups because they are hoping to get the floorplan repossessed. They have no choice but to go this route. It’s smarter than selling at a loss. They know they won’t sell at auction and Stellantis will end up having to buy the cars back from the bank otherwise they risk none of there cars ever getting financed in the future.
If a dealer has a new car in stock for 1yr , the dealer has to write a check to the bank to pay the car off (floor plan). The bank owns the new cars. In some state when the dealer has to pay the car off it is considered used ........
You should watch a Demonolgy video. He seems to be the only TH-cam channel that gets to enjoy his ride. Whereas other channels are making the same tired video( not even mentioning TK’s garage) you and TK should ride around together and get it figured out. You will not change corporate greed. We all know about it. That’s what happens when people’s god is money. Enjoy the car because tomorrow. . . Who knows your condition?
The various dealers I've visited all have worthless additions that raise the price thousands of dollars. Silly add-ons include "security" systems, "paint protection film," and plastic "floor mats" that have a price tag like the plush carpeting in some much nicer cars. Why, if they want to do add-ons, won't these dealers add an upgraded exhaust system, paint striping or wrap, tinted glass to replace the regular windows, exterior LED lighting, winter tires and installation services, rear seat entertainment systems, refrigerators, tables, upgraded rear seats with recliner, or maybe a ski or bicycle rack? Why is it only silly stuff like a $995 software application for a Smartphone? Surely they could try to sell us things that we might actually want to buy, and mark up the prices as usual. Whenever I see one of those add-on stickers at a dealership, I walk away from that car!
You just have to stay like 4-8yrs behind the market.. you buy nice low mileage used older man cars that are trade ins or private sales.. Got my first 2016 HC for $47k bucks, then got a redeye WB for $61k.. There is no reason to buy a brand new one, granted you must be careful in who you buy from, and must not do it in a city, it needs to be the suburbs.. But there is no reason to have ever bought a Dodge Hellcat for $100k and much more.. They aren't that nice.. They are fun, but you get used to the power quickly and it just feels like regular traffic in less than 6months..
I sold in 2015 when the Hellcats came out. The desk manager is beside himself on those decisions as well and it was crazy there was 15,000 deposits just to even discuss the sale of the car. GMs were the issue as well. It's a gross amount of greed disguised as "fair market prices".
If you’re buying a car, you only need to speak to the salesman. That’s his job, not the general manager. Having a salesman say that he needs to see his manager, is sign one they are dishonest. Speaking of what car you drive to a dealer, I had ordered my new Challenger, and then wrecked my van. So I was without wheels and rented a car. Driving into a used car dealer in a brand new car got the salesman excited. Told it was a rental, I wrecked my van. He wasn’t as happy but gave me a great deal. I didn’t tell him that I had a new car on order.
I work at a CDJR dealership in North Florida and we have all sorts of 5.7 Chargers for under 40k sticker, I think around 38k and under maybe 35k in some cases that just don't move whatsoever from our lot
I see your point of view but I also see your “being light” with the help essentially…as being passive aggressive. I dunno maybe I was raised differently where we go right at a problem to the boss. It’s the Chicago in me that doesn’t attack the sales guy but I agree with your opinion of it as well as them being the first line. I also wanna cross the first line and crush the problem at its source.
My favorite color is the Plum Crazy Purple, and that Super bee looks sweet. Those markups are insane especially what they are worth now being they are 23's. They will never get financing at those prices and all the cash buyers have already bought or the inventory wouldn't be lot rot that long. Hellcats have been made since 2015 so mass produced never made again will be a great investment is just Ludacris. Another great video, keep them coming!
Man, I thought these prices for scats and hellcats would drop by now but guess not. The dodge dealer in the Monrovia area are still charging a high mark up for there chargers and challengers. Last year back in October, the dealer was charging a mark up of $15k on a 2023 dodge charger GT. Basically paying RT/ scatpack price for a V6 charger.
I enjoy your content. I also love the plum crazy Super Bee. It reminds me of the Charger my dad had as a kid growing up. I do think the dealer markups are insane. I also would think twice about a car that has been sitting for a year or more. I would imagine the likelihood for issues is higher with seals, etc. All that aside, we may feel the dealer pricing is insane but they can price vehicles as they like. It seems maybe they’re playing the long game and expect these cars to hold if not increase in value over time. The used market is flooded with hellcats and there are some awesome deals if you’re good with a used car. Thank you for the video
So glad I'm retired and bought a used 2009 Jeep Liberty back in 2010 and a used 2007 BMW Z4 with less than 24,000 miles back in 2013. The Jeep tows my Airstream and my 3 dogs just perfectly and I've now got a fun Z4 for my Oregon back winding roads! Who needs one of these ripoffs and I have nothing to prove driving a $100,000 tire burner.
Lmao, when you showed that hornet at the dealership I work at, we have only sold 1, and it's that exact color, and the person bought it because they think it will save the bee's 😂... for me the superbee isn't all that and definitely don't like that color
I bought my house 20 years ago for $117,000. These cars cost more than what I paid for my house and sadly they are depreciate liability. What even more sad is that some fool will pay that kind of money just to look cool.
1st, you can live vicariously through me, I *am* 6'5" (after a trip to the chiropractor 😊)... But you'll appreciate this. I bought my '23, TorRed Scat Pack-plus w/ Shake-down and dynamics package, H.K. stereo w/subs and the whole nine... *With a manual,* not because I expect it to go up in value and blah blah... But, because that's what *I wanted.* It's about wanting to *drive the car* and not "have it drive me..." Because it's *fun.* I was fortunate enough to find it used with *2k mi.* on it, in great shape and got it for just over *hard invoice.* 😊 I bought it because when I'm done with it (read dead), it'll be my kid's, if he's good... If my wife gets into trouble after I'm gone (she saves 8x more than I do 😊) she can sell it and my old Road Runner and whatever else is rolling around here and she'll have a chunk of change so, she won't starve. 😊 I used to sell cars and work as a certified tech for decades and it was "the cobblers children" around me place so this year, my wife and I both got new cars (my first since '87!) But, I've had all the cool cars over the years, just not new. It was time before I got too old to drive it. 😆
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Oh my God just leave these sales people alone
Triggered? Hate seeing the public getting informed and exposing greed? Help is available. 😂
Leave Michael Jackson alone! Leave him aloneee! 😂
That’s what I see when I see comments like this.
You must be one of these dealership markup guys where’s your dealership expose yourself
@@redhunnid5142or one of the salesmen that’s worried OCMotivator is gonna walk up on his sales lot next week, lol 😂
Jerry, Do you work at a Dodge Dealership?
The dealers destroyed dodge every bit as much as Stellantis.
@@randalluthe4792 so true
A vehicle that's been in a dealership for that long should be less than MSRP not the other way around!!!!😑
Bingo!!!
If you come with cash and they will buck ! 😂 dont believe the the hype
@@leekthatsfyedealers don’t like cash anymore.
@@leekthatsfye totally not true
@@striprockracing848 more truth in that than you think
117k for a dodge🤦♂️ Thats Porsche 911 Carrera money!
Hellcat for more than a demon wtf
It will smoke your carrera at the drag strip euro fanboi
You mean demon money. A base 911 isn't a great value at all nor is it well equipped
Facts!
Yes just buy the Porsche!!
Anyone who pays msrp or above for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep (FIAT) is out of their mind.
Imagine C8 owners paying $120-140k for a $60k-80k Msrp. Cheap when they came out, then boom 🤯 TISM out of no where. The government says you must pay an dealer fee just because lol
I had to pay about 2k above msrp on a subaru back in 2021 but I also got a 4.5% interest rate on it and they hold their value very well and I put down about 8k. And it was the only one in my whole state in the color I wanted. As of now it's worth at least 10k more than I owe on it.
@@chriswilson1968 bro you still trying to pay off that subi ?? 🥲
In today’s time, you can get a nice Benz for the same price of a dodge,jeep,fiat. And German engineering, in my opinion, is way better than American.
@chriswilson1968 dealer always wins.
😂😅😮 please keep exposing these bozos!!! Let's not forget about those $350 lug nuts😅
For all 20 with 4 locking or just a single one? That’s Ferrari pricing
Who are you kidding? You would pay 750 for lug nuts if Dodge says so!
Honestly I would want lug nuts that are easier to take off not harder
@@DavidWenger-tw4dz why would you say that so confidently though? Obviously, if he is complaining about $350 lug nuts, then $750 would not make any sense..?
A car that has been sitting on the lot for over a year is no longer new from a practical stand point. I'd rather buy a lightly used model that has been garaged and mantained than a lot rotted model.
Remember the days when those vehicles actually had a name (Leftovers) and they were offered at deep discounts just to get them off the lot. I bought several Leftovers over the years cause I always got deep discounts and I planned on keeping them long term but now it seems they tack on premiums the longer they sit there. I hope they lose their asses on em one day
It’s new by law unless it sits two years
Lot rotted lmao
Yep when it comes down to it at the tag office
@GemCity_Exotics That's why he said "from a practical standpoint".
Doctors bury their mistakes. Lawyers visit them in prison. Car dealers park them on the car lot.
Lol dealers hate this lol. I love this lol.
They will only change their behavior once several go bankrupt
Great channel you have. I bought the 2023 Purple Super Bee Widebody in Temple Texas (Mac Haik) about three weeks ago. MSRP was $70,480. I got it for 10% below MSRP at $63,432. A little bit higher than the $60k you mentioned. It's a blast to drive. I've already put over 1,000 miles on it. It is my daily drive.
You laugh at people extending the life of their car? My scat pack gets driven probably 5 times a month. I want it to last forever not have 200k miles on it after 5 years @AVV-cd2rk
@@BigJoe2.0 5 times a month... you clearly are not a car guy
@@BigJoe2.0gay
@@Craiggg12345 not at all. I'll have my modded scat last a long time. Nice and healthy 👍
Had mines for 3 years only put 14k miles on it I have it park in the garage don’t have the interest of driving it much due to thief an I just purchased a v6Camaro that’s my daily driver
Only dummies pay for 25000 in dealer markup
Clout chasers with more money than brains aka dummies you are correct lol
Good advice from Fred Sanford. 😄
Careful the host of this channel probably did too🤣🤣
You'll notice that it's still sitting there.
$25K is enough to buy an economy car. Insane.
You're better off buying a used Dodge Charger for less then $99,000. They're smoking the good stuff. And $117,000, no one's gonna buy that. It'll be on the lot forever.
Than
Dodge has been terrible for almost 10 years.
Good used charger?what a joke,people that own these cars drive them like maniacs, crazy to buy one used
@@daviduruski7848 I'm actually talking about because the dealerships are pricing their cars so high, they must be smoking good stuff, or they're crazy. One or the other. That's all I'm really saying. I think it's better to get a used Dodge Charger, hopefully with a good interest rate.
@@garrettsmith2654 stelantis products are junk
Love the "Markup at Dodge Dealerships" videos. It would be interesting for you to go to GM or Ford dealerships to see what kind of markups they're asking to see if they're as insane.
Good idea! 👍
I actually made an offer on the Purple Super Bee Charger over 4 months ago. I offered 70K cash money. I was told no way they had more in it, wouldn't budget on the price, they told me that they had other buyers wanting it, funny it is still on the lot months later still for sale.
There will come a day when the dealership wishes they accepted your $70K.
Call or better yet ... pay them a visit and chat some more.
You'll never have a more enjoyable day. Especially if they remember your face.
Call and ask how those buyers are doin 😂
WTF are they smoking over there.. Wow .. 50k 55k not 99k
The plum crazy is more expensive and why tue demand they can sell it more than MSRP why arr you complaining even at 55 you dont have the money broke boy
I’m highly triggered!!!
Stellantis and the dealerships need to wake up.
Not only you are calling out shady dealerships, I also enjoy your videos too! You are rocking it!
Let it sit till the end of the year. They will be begging for a buyer. My local dealer is in the same boat. They have like 12 scat packs been sitting almost 1.5 years.
My dealership has a new Challenger Hellcat for $77,995. MSRP $84,330. We also don’t add all those extra add ons either!
Nah 60k is the most anyone would pay for that buddy boy
@@steve_7186 ok buddy boy.
@@steve_7186 ok buddy boy.
Ok buddy boy.
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Dodges arent even worth their MSRP price which is why they're all depreciating so much and people are realizing that so idk how these dealers think some fool is going to walk in and give them $100k for a scat instead of getting a loaded M3 competition that is a better car in every way
Ida b getting' a BlackWing manual befo droppin a 100K plus on a Dodge
I kinda feel bad for some of the guys who paid so much more than MSRP, they’re going to get completely destroyed if they ever decide to sell
You could by a new C8 vette for the money they are asking.
I thought Stellantis was supposed to cut prices to half of MSRP I Knew dealers weren't going 4 that.
@@RobertSmith-le8wp - it don't pain me no how them rich pukes are get what they get
Is there a bank on this planet that would finance a 100k scat pack that’s 2 model years old? That would be about the most predatory thing a lender could do. You’ll be paying that car off for a century and you’ll be underwater until the day you die, and then your kids will be underwater, all because you paid 3x what the car is worth in this market.
I don’t think so. Maybe 2 or 3 years ago but today lending has tightened up quite a bit. I’ve heard people mention for just a regular hellcat the bank was asking for $25,000 down and people just don’t have that kind of money
They won't finance the dealer mark up. They might finance the MSRP.
@@doom4067 I’ve heard that banks/lenders are only doing 80% MSRP on 2 MY old cars, like the chargers and challengers.
@@RobertSmith-le8wpsome banks, financial institutions & creditors are offering 10 yr loans thru dealerships.
100k for a SCAT is just stupidity. It’s nothing special
lol they used to be like 46 k
@@chrisrstt I remember during 2022 scats were selling for like 70k
The paint is going to start fading big time on these cars just sitting not moving
yes becuase we all know that the wind blowing on it saves the paint
Just insane. Cars have been baking in the sun for over a year. Even at MSRP you are taking a chance on issues from lot rot and premature paint issues. You are much better off buying a gently used version for half the cost.
Six digits for cars sitting for over a year, oxidized paint, water spots, flat spots in the tires, lol!
Had a roommate that was an Audi factory rep to dealers - cars that sit get weird problems... Like warped rotors .... Not cheap on a few audis
Dude, they're smoking all the bath salts. 100k for a Dodge ??? They are so out of their minds.
Some them dealers need to go out of business the way they treated their customers all those ridiculous mark ups
All that crap here in Vegas is well BELOW sticker.
Same in the ATL metro. What I've seen is averaging 5-6K below.
Not Towbin Dodge. They told me we sell below invoice and all the vehicles come with Mandatory add-ons. I was told that these cannot be removed as the come with them from Dodge. I said show me proof on the equipment list or on the Monroney label. Crickets. After a bit he said our prices is way below invoice and employee pricing. I walked away. So does not apply to Towbin Dodge.
@@joebrown9106just looked at their website. they got a 2018 hellcat charger listed/advertised for $40k. has to be a scam
Wow the price of the super bee is ridiculous. Honeybee, bumblebee, or super bee one hundred thousand dollars is insulting. At the end of the day when you pop that hood it’s a scat. Please don’t get me wrong I love scats. I have one myself, but I’m blown away that these dealerships with these lots that are standing room only are still asking these prices.? 🤦🏿♂️
Those were 2023s. There are no new 2023s. They deprecated the same as if you drove them. Especially since the 2024s are same thing. They are doing to to themselves
yes it's crazy the other day car edge called to ask for a 2022 Kia...an EV Kia which are unsellable and depreciate 50% day1 add to this it's already 2 years old they wanted at least MSRP
It's considered new if its never been registered/titled for up to 2 years of the build date.
They will more than likely need to be marked down to sell, but dealerships aren't required to do so.
The purple charger just parked in the dirt made me laugh. They couldn’t as least clean it up & put it inside of their showroom? Nope, they’d rather have it sitting outside for 300+ days. What a shame….
That super bee plum crazy with drag tirrs would smoke your focus rs fanboi
@@poker_18rs92 yeah there parking em in places like that long term to make em easier to steal. At least then they get insurance pay out on em.
@@greggiroux9432 ur prob right plus they dont care if the undercoat rusts .. not their car
I consider myself fortunate, '23 Shakedown edition for $57,000 (used with 600 miles) and '23 Hellcat (narrow body, F8 Green, ACC, NAV, Laguna leather, sunroof, etc., for less than $74,000; 13 miles when I drove it off the lot. $12,000 below MSRP. Great dealership in KY, Dan Cummins; ask for Murdoch and he'll hook you up. Almost traded the Shakedown on the Hellcat but love driving it so much I kept it. Keep calling out them out, hopefully you'll keep someone from taking the bait.
I like your dealership visit videos. I like how your calling these guys out. They need to be.
You can get a supercar for how much they want these mark up cars
Dealers are gonna be buried in EVs, just cause they build them doesn’t mean people will buy them. And imagine trying to sell a Hemi owner on upgrading to a new EV model…
This dealership will NEVER sell those vehicles at those prices. They are beyond absurd. Any dealership that is sitting on a new vehicle for 365 days on the lot and they still have it marked up above sticker is not living in reality. The only logical conclusion one could draw is they don't care if sell it. Which means to me that this particular dealership is probably one in a chain of dealerships that the principle owns-and they a very profitable somewhere else. Because if you have cars that have been sitting on the lot for 450 days and 368 days respectively and your still asking above sticker-it just doesn't make sense.
It is funny they say you have to pay more for a V8 car because it is the last ones THEY are making when Ford is going ahead with the V8 for the foreseeable future.
Yes I like these types of videos. But also like the ones covering the manufacturer and people who need help.
Thanks for all the efforts of going to dealerships!
These people are not your friends. Assume it's a hostile encounter. Don't act nasty toward them. Proceed with caution.
You said Mellenials can’t drive stick but I was born in 87 and I’ve been driving manual since I was 10 on a kubota tractor. I’ve owned more manuals than autos but I also hate that that generation supposedly started in the mid 80’s. I don’t claim it. I swear it’s 90’s and up, I grew up and live more old school. There’s like a generational line right there, arguably the first couple of years of the 90’s is when it truly started
After all is said and done. It’s a dodge. You’ll be lucky to get 100k miles out of it. They should be 50k
If you can't get 100k miles out of you aren't doing maintenance properly and bearing the shít out of it. I have a 96 ram that's been in the family since new, 236000 miles and counting. Only issues I ever had was idiot shops screwing things up. They can't even do an alignment correctly these days
There’s already a lot of the Dodges that are 4-5 years old that have 200k+ miles on them and still run like new so I’m afraid your comment won’t hold water
@@ManiacalManiac exactly people treat their cars like rentals and expect it to last preventative maintenance is key 🔑 for any performance vehicle
@@1982MCI my point is there’s not a dodge on the market worth 100k. and they are definitely not known for their quality of manufacturing.
My challenger almost has 200k miles on it
Rot lot should be the biggest concern here.
There is something that people may not realize that is at stake here. This guy is one of the few who is showing the failures of moral and ethics around dealerships in the US.
This whole idea of just letting them put markups on top of MSRP or charge a thousand dollars for a set of mats and nitrogen filled tires. Then, you maybe think it is ok. But it is not ok for the majority of Americans who want to buy cars at a fair price. When I say that, it is the MSRP price. This is because it is the expected fair price set by the industry, which includes profit for the manufacturer AND dealership.
If you believe that dealerships have the right to charge wherever they want. Then you should understand that the same rights and freedom that a dealership has, the consumers have to step into a dealership and show what is being practiced.
Just letting the dealership add markup and make it a "hidden" practice, it is just unethical and immoral.
And if people get mad be dealerships are practicing markups on top of MSRP. It is because the consumer doesn't want that.
Let the freedom work on both ways. Be the consumer, showing the practices in the same way as a dealership can charge markups on top of MSRP cars.
I love the Superbee, but it stickers are too much especially in white.. And if you got caught in the rain with that rubber your in trouble..
If anyone buys a vehicle sitting on a lot for a year or more get it checked out. Check out some videos of what happens to today's fuels after it's been sitting for 6 months or longer. Older gasoline up to the 90's used to turn to varnish. Today's fuels turn to a type of hard crystally gunk that will destroy a fuel system.
We should also suspect the oil and filter as being bad after a year, and change both immediately. That's an add-on that a dealership should put on the stickers of these unwanted cars.
Deduct the lot rot from sitting for so long and it should be below msrp. Sad that some of this dealers still live in fantasy land. Especially since dodge/ chrysler are on the verge of collapse.
Your doing him a favor by giving him some experience on how to interact with different people. Good stuff!
You asked what we think of the Super Bee Charger. (Overall I like the car and color)
1) DIslike 4 door cars ( how many people would love to have a 1969 Superbee in 4 door version vs 2 door?, lol, I think people like the current one because they had no other options and were just happy to get the hemi engine regardless of what car it was in. Sure there could be some people out there who really prefer 4 door performance cars).
2) Color nice
3) Stubby looking side stripes are not appealing.
4) Superbee Badge is cool 5) Dislike all black on the rims
5) Prices are ridiculous (base models now selling in the 25k range on lots, for 75 k more, you get an engine, some badges and some drag radials?) The sales volume of these would have been much higher had they made more and not price gouged. 2
6) Not a fan of the current charger bodystyle. Much prefer classic SuperBees of late 60s.
LOL, the digital license plate company just lost their contract with CA - they're giving you a paperweight.
After watching the whole video, it should be illegal and capped on what dealers can charge. It should be a crime. Even without the markups, those prices are OUT of control. I am from TN though and things are a bit cheaper...but not by much.
It should be legal. If someone is dumb enough to pay for it, let them.
@@Lagann0problem is there are alot of people with more money than brains that don't care and that hurts the entire market for all the rest of us. It isn't just effecting the people paying too much.
You don't want to be 6'5" trust me. You'd never be able to drive that beautiful lambo if you were lol
I gaurantee a 6 foot 5 guy could easily fit in a newer lambo
@midnight347 I'm 6'5", I stand next to them at cars and coffee every other weekend... I'm sure a 6'5" person might fit, but it definitely wouldn't be comfortable
I'm 6'4" and fit into one of my other cars - a 2003 Corolla.. Do you think that I stand a chance? Haha
Wait six months because for the next two quarters, Stellantis sales are likely to be close to ZERO. Why buy a Stellantis product when a good probability exists that the warranty won't exist in a year or two.
Revenues close to ZERO are a BIG problem. Most likely a CJDR dealer can't drop their prices because they would have to realize a loss.
WAIT until either the floorplan companies repo dealers' cars or if you have a dealers license buy them at the auction.
Sooner or later, CJDR dealers are going to be terminating in mass their franchises. The units are likely to be sold off as is with a HUGE discount.
Great stuff Brad, if these sales people are going to spew this BS and you teach them a thing or two, it's on the job training. You are so much nicer to them then I am
So true, the front line is just a mirror image of the management there. Sooooo how you filmed it is how it goes when you don't want to get screwed. Let em cry
They are a horrible dealership. Bought a truck there years ago. Worst experience. Service deparment is even worse.
Bro glad that i found your channel 😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽!! I helped my friend a lot and he got a Scat Pack for a great price
Sad to see how American car companies wrecked themselves. I always thought they should've had a low price 4-Cylinder Charger and Challenger going for $19999. Would've been the hottest thing..
Their sales manager needs to be fired forthwith. In fact, the whole management team needs to be shuffled to have so many cars sitting for a year
I absolutely love the superbee! My dream spec too. Wish they would stop smoking rocks and come back to reality on the prices. That superbee is a 60,000$ car max.
Hey can you do a dealer visit and compare different markups and tell us how to talk dealers off them. Keep up the great work 👍🏽
Chrysler products, Stellantis? Good luck. If you live in a warm climate, maybe it won't start rusting as fast. There's a reason why Consumer Reports rates most of their products as good to avoid with the problems they have. Who has the money to pay even 50,000 for a car? The manufacturers' greed is finally catching up with them.
People forget that MSRP stands for “Suggested” manufacturer’s retail price. The “suggested” price in this case is absurd based on all events related to Dodge’s fall from grace since the pandemic. The MSRP should be downgraded 10-15% and THEN we start with 10-20% markdowns.
your "why doesn't the "last model" matter for tradeins" hit me in the gut that's my case I have a limited edition 150 cars in the country of a car not made anymore and they offer me laughable trade-in money on the other hand they want MSRP and more for a new car when their lot is full of them, I almost signed due to fomo but dealer delayed until he found the perfect buyer and make max profit and now I wisened up
Why harass the workers as if they set the prices?
10:22 They park a "$100,000" car on the dirt, not a truck, but this car. That makes me want to race over there to buy it, and they had to drive over a curb to get it into the planter.
They don’t want to make money that’s why! I sold my hellcat , moving to a different platform. These cars are not worth the markup etc.
12:20😂😂 they’re tripping!
You treated that salesman perfect. I have NO problem with asking the right questions. If they want to be in that line of work. They should expect serious questions. Just my thoughts, Ron
sitting for a year? cylnder walls are bone dry. gas in the tank? oxidation in the oil? HA! bird shit etched into the clearcoat.
Hey, if they can hold the cars at those super high prices, more power to them. The market will figure it out sooner or later.
Rolls Goals at 10:15
My belief is these dealerships are sticking to markups because they are hoping to get the floorplan repossessed. They have no choice but to go this route. It’s smarter than selling at a loss. They know they won’t sell at auction and Stellantis will end up having to buy the cars back from the bank otherwise they risk none of there cars ever getting financed in the future.
Love watching this kind of videos
If a dealer has a new car in stock for 1yr , the dealer has to write a check to the bank to pay the car off (floor plan). The bank owns the new cars. In some state when the dealer has to pay the car off it is considered used ........
What we need to get to the bottom of is, who is buying any new cars right now. Because whoever it is is screwing up the whole market!
If the Banks will stop approving loans for such high markups and start loaning for MSRP only, minus down payment, we would see improvement.
You should watch a Demonolgy video. He seems to be the only TH-cam channel that gets to enjoy his ride. Whereas other channels are making the same tired video( not even mentioning TK’s garage) you and TK should ride around together and get it figured out. You will not change corporate greed. We all know about it. That’s what happens when people’s god is money. Enjoy the car because tomorrow. . . Who knows your condition?
The various dealers I've visited all have worthless additions that raise the price thousands of dollars. Silly add-ons include "security" systems, "paint protection film," and plastic "floor mats" that have a price tag like the plush carpeting in some much nicer cars. Why, if they want to do add-ons, won't these dealers add an upgraded exhaust system, paint striping or wrap, tinted glass to replace the regular windows, exterior LED lighting, winter tires and installation services, rear seat entertainment systems, refrigerators, tables, upgraded rear seats with recliner, or maybe a ski or bicycle rack? Why is it only silly stuff like a $995 software application for a Smartphone? Surely they could try to sell us things that we might actually want to buy, and mark up the prices as usual. Whenever I see one of those add-on stickers at a dealership, I walk away from that car!
I know people that build the new Chargers in Windsor.
They say they can't keep the line running. Constant shutdowns.
You just have to stay like 4-8yrs behind the market.. you buy nice low mileage used older man cars that are trade ins or private sales.. Got my first 2016 HC for $47k bucks, then got a redeye WB for $61k.. There is no reason to buy a brand new one, granted you must be careful in who you buy from, and must not do it in a city, it needs to be the suburbs.. But there is no reason to have ever bought a Dodge Hellcat for $100k and much more.. They aren't that nice.. They are fun, but you get used to the power quickly and it just feels like regular traffic in less than 6months..
You the best OC!
Your videos are awesome. Thanks. I have never bought from a dealership. It's such a a game looking for suckers.
It's not about dodge it's about the fact that dealerships still ask for arms and legs for a vehicle
I sold in 2015 when the Hellcats came out. The desk manager is beside himself on those decisions as well and it was crazy there was 15,000 deposits just to even discuss the sale of the car. GMs were the issue as well. It's a gross amount of greed disguised as "fair market prices".
If you’re buying a car, you only need to speak to the salesman. That’s his job, not the general manager. Having a salesman say that he needs to see his manager, is sign one they are dishonest.
Speaking of what car you drive to a dealer, I had ordered my new Challenger, and then wrecked my van. So I was without wheels and rented a car. Driving into a used car dealer in a brand new car got the salesman excited. Told it was a rental, I wrecked my van. He wasn’t as happy but gave me a great deal. I didn’t tell him that I had a new car on order.
I work at a CDJR dealership in North Florida and we have all sorts of 5.7 Chargers for under 40k sticker, I think around 38k and under maybe 35k in some cases that just don't move whatsoever from our lot
I see your point of view but I also see your “being light” with the help essentially…as being passive aggressive. I dunno maybe I was raised differently where we go right at a problem to the boss. It’s the Chicago in me that doesn’t attack the sales guy but I agree with your opinion of it as well as them being the first line. I also wanna cross the first line and crush the problem at its source.
That's the least motivated sales team I've ever seen. Just sitting there while a guy is on the lot..... no wonder the markups
You would have fun with the dodge dealers over here in Virginia. They still have over 100k markups on the demons.they are clueless.
My favorite color is the Plum Crazy Purple, and that Super bee looks sweet. Those markups are insane especially what they are worth now being they are 23's. They will never get financing at those prices and all the cash buyers have already bought or the inventory wouldn't be lot rot that long. Hellcats have been made since 2015 so mass produced never made again will be a great investment is just Ludacris. Another great video, keep them coming!
Man, I thought these prices for scats and hellcats would drop by now but guess not. The dodge dealer in the Monrovia area are still charging a high mark up for there chargers and challengers. Last year back in October, the dealer was charging a mark up of $15k on a 2023 dodge charger GT. Basically paying RT/ scatpack price for a V6 charger.
I enjoy your content. I also love the plum crazy Super Bee. It reminds me of the Charger my dad had as a kid growing up.
I do think the dealer markups are insane. I also would think twice about a car that has been sitting for a year or more. I would imagine the likelihood for issues is higher with seals, etc.
All that aside, we may feel the dealer pricing is insane but they can price vehicles as they like. It seems maybe they’re playing the long game and expect these cars to hold if not increase in value over time.
The used market is flooded with hellcats and there are some awesome deals if you’re good with a used car.
Thank you for the video
So glad I'm retired and bought a used 2009 Jeep Liberty back in 2010 and a used 2007 BMW Z4 with less than 24,000 miles back in 2013. The Jeep tows my Airstream and my 3 dogs just perfectly and I've now got a fun Z4 for my Oregon back winding roads! Who needs one of these ripoffs and I have nothing to prove driving a $100,000 tire burner.
They have lost their everlasting minds 😂😂😂 I’m in Georgia and you can get these same cars for msrp.
Escaping from car sales is very difficult and hard to parlay even into other commission sales positions. I've been there, and it is tough.
Lmao, when you showed that hornet at the dealership I work at, we have only sold 1, and it's that exact color, and the person bought it because they think it will save the bee's 😂... for me the superbee isn't all that and definitely don't like that color
I bought my house 20 years ago for $117,000. These cars cost more than what I paid for my house and sadly they are depreciate liability. What even more sad is that some fool will pay that kind of money just to look cool.
1st, you can live vicariously through me, I *am* 6'5" (after a trip to the chiropractor 😊)...
But you'll appreciate this.
I bought my '23, TorRed Scat Pack-plus w/ Shake-down and dynamics package, H.K. stereo w/subs and the whole nine... *With a manual,* not because I expect it to go up in value and blah blah... But, because that's what *I wanted.*
It's about wanting to *drive the car* and not "have it drive me..." Because it's *fun.* I was fortunate enough to find it used with *2k mi.* on it, in great shape and got it for just over *hard invoice.* 😊
I bought it because when I'm done with it (read dead), it'll be my kid's, if he's good... If my wife gets into trouble after I'm gone (she saves 8x more than I do 😊) she can sell it and my old Road Runner and whatever else is rolling around here and she'll have a chunk of change so, she won't starve. 😊
I used to sell cars and work as a certified tech for decades and it was "the cobblers children" around me place so this year, my wife and I both got new cars (my first since '87!) But, I've had all the cool cars over the years, just not new. It was time before I got too old to drive it. 😆
You should be a limit on markup they would make a lot more sales if they weren't greedy
I thought you were completely reasonable honestly. Then again, I don't like when people make shit up. So I think you were very generous.