13:05 is an absolute yank left (the path is horrendous) and then blames the putter for not being forgiving on off center hits. With a path like that, it’s going to go left no matter where on the face you hit it
@@jaywood9415 I’m not talking about path, I’m talking about how he said it isn’t forgiving on off center hits after this putt. He could have struck it dead center but with that path it still would have went left
Any putter held firmly with the face delivering a square strike will send the ball straight down the line into the hole . These putters are for light grip pendulum strokes only In reality most handicapper golfers are all over the place on their putting stroke . which makes the "Emperors clothes" putters even more of a joke. Like when Jordan Speith won everything holing miracle putts with a super stroke grip , all duffing putters went to superstroke grips , but if you get to hold Speiths putter , the grip is very solid rubber underneath the faux white cover , its easy to dupe people .
Just goes to show that a putter is a very personal choice as I totally disagree with Rick regarding the DF3. I love my DF3 and have so much confidence with it. I find the face very stable and does not twist as it does in Ricks assessment. However, during my LAB fitting, I found the heavier head a lot more stable than the standard head..maybe that's the difference? As always though Rick, love the videos, and thanks for reigniting my love of the game over the years.
As usual, Rick's ego gets in the way. He was best with the DF3 but clearly the counterbalance works for him. He should put a counterbalanced DF3 in the bag but he won't because he's more concerned with looking cool.
Am I the only one who thought the putting Matt was all over the place in this video? At least two putts went left and then right as they ran to the hole
Slightly strange to suggest that the LAB twists loads on off centre hits when it is designed to do the exact opposite. In your previous review you holed 12 in a row with the LAB but then gave up on it after playing 2 holes out on the course? Ive just got a LAB myself and i would argue that im holing some putts now that were not centre hits and definitely would have missed with my previous putter. It takes some getting used to, especially just letting the putter head do its thing instead of trying to manipulate the face, and distance control takes some bedding in but for me personally I'm hitting my intended start line way more often now.
After this and the Titelist fitting I'm convinced Rick is a headcase. How he cannot see that his putting surface is the issue and not the DF3 or any other putter is the issue has me stunned.
@@electricalstuff259 did you notice as the ball was rolling towards the hole? It just kept wobbling and changing direction. That putting surface is not very true.
I was thinking about one of the no torque putters, but then I won an HB2 from Cleveland. I really like it, and my putting is even sharper than it was. Probably the last putter I will ever own is already in my hands. Always great videos, and I liked the scramble with You Tubers, too.
I got fitted for a Lab Mezz max today. I had the same issue with the off center hits. Until the fitter changed the lie balance complete game changer I purposely hit it on the toe and it preformed really good 👍🏼 didn’t sink it but a no problem tap in
Imagine you are the engineer that poured his heart into this new putter tech and Rick grabs it and nearly shanks 10 puts in a row and therefore it sells significantly less than it otherwise would have if he made maybe 1 putt of the 10.
Peter Finch had it in the bag for all of two months and complained about pace control. Weirdly, he still leaves putts well long and short with his new putter, but I'm sure it's the equipment...
@@morten3465I play a LAB Mezz and I partially agree with his comment about off-center hits. You get so used to the perfect balance that the torque from an off-center hit is more noticeable. That doesn't mean the putt is worse though - all of these putters have very high MOI. Also he has the TPT shaft in it, which is extremely communicative. I play the Accra shaft, which has a smoother feel.
You tube influencers are driving a large part of the market across multiple sports. I work for a baseball bat company , and our business feels these reviews (good and bad) all time.
DF3 is probably one of the most stable putters on the market with little to none twisting. It’s the whole point. No putter is gonna make a massive pull go in 🤷🏼♂️.
I use an Odyssey StrokeLabs DoubleWide now, and love it. But I recently used a LAB Mezz.1 putter, and fell in love with it. I'm considering making a swap. I don't like the DF3 shape, but the Mezz does actually appeal to me.
Ok... so after watching this and your success with the 38", I got one. This putter is outstanding and rolls great (like in your review). Previously had a MM CB, and a SC SS Squareback 38, both of which were just ok for me. Took the Z1 out today to my home course and rolled 4 putts on each hole (played the back 9) and the difference was amazing (5, 10, 15, 20 foot range). Z1 38 is my new putter for all of 2025!!!
you can tell just by the way the ball is rolling the floor hes putting on is not level lol you can see at 5:50 the ball start left then go back right to fall in.
I'm sure this works well for a more straight-back straight-through swing for someone with a lot of back bend, but as someone who stands more upright when putting which gives more of an arc to the stroke, I NEED the feel & feedback of a putter that actively wants to open & close as the pendulum swings otherwise I have no sense of where the face is at any given point in the stroke. It's not a flawed concept but it's also not a silver bullet that can fix anyone's putting.
Yes counterbalanced is the key. I was remotely custom fit with LAB at 72°. Went ahead and custom ordered a counterbalanced, heavier head option at 36 inches. 17 in. LAB SS grip. Putter is lights out. Would love to try this counterbalanced version of the EVNROLL
Interestingly enough, I started this summer with the Evenroll X that you are trying out, and anything 10 feet and under was great. Where I was having trouble is with longer putts and distance control, but only on the X putter and not their more standard putter. Switched to the LAB putter, and the distance control was much better. Good friend of mine had the same issue with the Evenroll X and went to LAB with better results on longer putts, just like I did.
I still use a forged AG Spalding blade putter I got when I was 7years old, well over 50 years ago. How good a putter is all depends on "what type of head" has their hands on the grip.
I must say that’s some of the best pace control I’ve seen you have with a putter (the one with the counter balanced mid length shaft). Genuinely thing you should give it a go
I like the look of the counter balanced Evnroll. The look and the softness of the face of the L.A.B. has kept me from going all in on one. I’ve been using a Phantom X12 for a little over a year now. This new Evnroll might be worth a look.
@@digitalhillz he gets them for free. yeah hes biased because he only plays clubs that he likes the look of and LAB putters are hideous. he also played an evnroll putter for 5 years. everyone has favorites and thats why brands exist
The previous spoiler putter for me is the best performer so far holing every putt until Rick got complacent on the 9th ladder putt and for the money is the best value putter too.
Any chance the claw grip makes you lose control of the face on the off center strikes? You said the putter was rotating on that axis. If you had a more controlled grip would that control the face better?
Sam Hahn of L.A.B. makes a great point about the emulator-putters now flooding the industry, which is that a fixed hosel will limit the configurations since at most you could adjust the loft or lie angle by 2° max without then messing with the "no torque" feature.
Still rocking a beaten up, battle-tested Nike Method putter from the 2000's. Just replaced the grip last year. I have great days and not so great with it. But, in the end, since I know it performs/can perform very well, I keep it, eliminate variables, and practice a bit to find the feel again when "it" gets wayward. Very subtle changes in grip, aim, lie angle, ball position, body tilt, etc, really affect seemingly simple straight putts just as much as triple breaker roller coaster lag putts. Then fast vs slow greens and wet vs dry and windy conditions and grain and punched greens and pressure putting and on and on all affect your putting. These things you learn over time, especially when sticking with one putter. Because mine's a relatively heavy putter, I feel really confident putting from fringe or even rough or out of bunkers when situations warrant it. Lightweight putters won't be so good in those conditions and, therefore, you have effectively one fewer tool in your bag. Putting's much more than just flat perfect greens. And it's the one part of the game where everyone is equal (from a 4 year old to a Champions Tour player) and so, too, is every (legal/regulation) putter. It doesn't have to be rocket science or cost a thousand dollars. Find the tool that works for you and stick with it. You'll find that your stroke will benefit greatly over time from using the same club and your relationship with it will deepen and strengthen. Last point, from personal experience, though others may not "envy" you for keeping the old standby in the bag year after year and not giving in to fads and trends and marketing campaigns and peer pressure, you'll find that they do respect you for it. 👊
I love watching my golfing buddies faces as I drop putts from any distance on the greens with my cheap Carbrite BrassBalls £30 putter … While my mates miss 4 foot putts with their £300/£400 Scotty Cameron, LAB putters … A putter, no matter the cost, is only as good as the arms that swing it…
I’ve been waiting on the 38” Z1 to hit the stores. Tried it today and left with it. They actually had 2 in stock and the other sold while I was there as well. I’ve owned a Lab DF3 as well but sold it.
The original LAB putter is by far my favorite. I don’t understand the hate about looks. I think it’s great. Also I feel like I can’t miss within 5 feet. Just so easy to lineup.
I really like the Blue and the Red finishes tbh, each to their own I know, but would be happy to take it out your eyeline Rick 👀😂 Really enjoying the reviews, for someone that putts so well makes sense to keep seeing the putters 👍🏻
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from watching Rick Shiels videos is that there is ALWAYS personal bias included in his reviews. Mostly they are looks based but there are others. All HONEST reviews should be performance based with a high level of self awareness and accountability. As stated earlier the “face turned” @ 13:05 mark was clearly a shanked putt! 😂 I like you Rick but be honest!
Ill never be able to afford one, but I absolutely adore lab putters. I have had the chance to use one several times and absolutely putt better with them than anything else I have ever tried. I hate that the evenroll is probably just as or more expensive. Guess I will just still with my old ping blade for now lol. Very cool putters though and definitely an interesting design. Also my entire world changed when I switched to a counter balanced putter
I have tried the counter balance #Evenroll putter & I've used a LAB putter during a round last week. I agree the Evenroll Putter feels more stable...8 want to try it in a 35" with a counter balance weight vs a 38" shaft.
Maybe hit some putts more on the toe and heel, you bring up an interesting point about off centre strikes. Fantastic video. I will wait for more zero torque putters to come out, I use an armlock
Having just bought a new putter (I change putters every 10-15 years!), I would not be in the market for a new one, but the blacked out counter-balanced putter looks very good - definitely a hint of a spider putter in the design
Describing Lab putters as admitting defeat is absolutely spot on! That is exactly what has kept me away from them lol I have definitely been looking at these new evnrolls though!
Hey Rick, as a golfer who has a problem with putters with offset, I feel like I will pull the putts! Also as a lefty, how hard is the lab df3 to aim at address?
From the perspective of a mechanical engineer, the LAB putters are the most science based putters ever made. I get that if you don't like the looks....you will have trouble using it because the human body introduces a lot of variables. But if the putter doesn't work for you, it's not the putters fault as this video suggests.
Would you say the newest Z1 is considerably better than the previous models? Surprised you didn’t mention in the video your review on it a few years back.
The Lab DF3 is so good, it’s the best golf purchase I’ve ever made. Rick’s comments are pretty strange about the off center hits, I purposely hit off center just to test this and it still goes straight. If you’re considering one, just try it out yourself, don’t form your opinion from just one TH-camr’s opinion.
The Allan essentially used the same toe up design as the Zero line. Nothing about the Allan or these Evnrolls are new. This is the same tech used by Axis 1, Odyssey’s toe up line several years back. I do however believe they’ve improved upon this philosophy with mallet designs making a bit more stable, but they’re not as stable as LABs tech. Golf Champ did a great video is Allan vs DF3 and they said that someone who is a more experienced may actually benefit from some of the attributes of the Allan based on the fact that you can manipulate it more since it’s not as stable.
Ya but do these apply to every putter stroke? Like aren’t lab putters fitted to each person? My point is toe hang putters fit my stroke the best and I putt best with them. What would “toe up” do for me?
Rick .. this does seem more like an add for evmroll.. I find the specific thing of the la potter is that even with a shaky stroke and hitting it on the edge that it still goes straight .. as long as you don't push or pull your stroke which is always going to mean it goes offline.
I had a Lab DF3, felt the same as Rick actually and my speed control was trash. Picked up a Ping Ansr D for less than half the cost of Lab and haven’t looked back.
Interesting demo Rick! I appreciate the innovation taking place in golf equipment recently especially what is happening with short game products. Making the game easier for all levels of players is a good thing. Kudos to Evenroll and Lab for the work they are doing to provide options to golfers.
Rick. You should test out the SF1 driver from Performance Golf. The commercials tout it as the anti-slice driver. Maybe Guy can hit it a few times since right is his miss 😂
My putter is about 20 years old and I’ve never found another putter that can match it, for me to change putters it would have to beat it and I can’t see that happening.
Good comparison. Please also compare the PXG Allan putter. And please explain the ER's extra long handle. It's almost long enough to use as a wrist lock; but that's not how you held the putter. You were using a common grip well down the handle. Seems almost like extra long handle for nothing.
The Allan is the same as the evenroll but nothing like the lab, evenroll and Allan are close to zero torque bit not completely and neither are faecbalanced like the lab. The long grip is the counter balance version, the grip is large because it’s weight counter balances with the head making its stability incredible bit you can grip it whether you like, they suggest just gripping it at the same length as your 34” or 35” putter
You speak highly of the new Z1 evnroll and review it against other evnroll and LAB putter but you never compare it to evnrolls already very good lab answer, the ER10. when you look at both the Z1 and ER 10 side by side there is very little difference between the 2. Especially if you add the left handed plumber neck V series adapter to the 10. just saying Rife has had the answer for awhile now, just hasnt pimped it as it is a older design.
TBH I think the hosel doing the same thing as LAB almost makes it look like there’s more going on near the head than less. On visuals in that regard I prefer the straight shaft in a LAB compared the the crank hosel from this video
I have the DF3 and I do not feel any type os twisting in fact it is the most stable putter i have ever used, perhaps you are not letting it just do what it does
Can someone answer for me, I have asked on a few forums with no solid answer. What is the difference with a LAB or ENVRoll zero, from a normal centre shaft putter?
Lab is nothin fluke anything else, has zero torue(others say the same but are not) but loot only that is full face balanced which none of the other are. They are not comparable, lab is streets ahead and that is coming from someone who used a lab for months but went back to a jailbird 380
so just tried all four models bought the silver mallet. so i really liked the look of the midblade the best, and the black mallet the least and i owned and liked the original zero putter. the mallet seemed a bit more forgiving than midblade.
It’s weird a lot of your putts go straight down the laser line to the hole, but then they squiggle off to the left and right. I don’t think that’s the putter’s fault. I think it’s something with the green where it’s not perfectly flat if you’re aiming for the middle of the hole and straight down that green laser line.
Only one model is being made left handed, as opposed to LAB making all models lefty so really does not matter to me now, however I do appreciate the review.
Poor Ricks getting grilled on his putting stroke and putting matt... I would like to know how the ZeroZs2 feels vs the old ER2 model he was playing with and if its worth an upgrade in his opinion.
As much as I like Rick, if you've watched him long enough he always has had an Evnroll putter in the bag. I personally bought one because I trusted him so much. The LAB putter is made to not twist on off center strikes so for Rick to say it's twisting could it be his personal bias. I am actually disappointed in Rick for this one.
13:05 is an absolute yank left (the path is horrendous) and then blames the putter for not being forgiving on off center hits. With a path like that, it’s going to go left no matter where on the face you hit it
That’s Rick for ye!!!
yeah, he literally said he felt it was going to miss. lets see you putt 50 perfect path putts
@@jaywood9415but his point is he blamed the putter
@@jaywood9415 I’m not talking about path, I’m talking about how he said it isn’t forgiving on off center hits after this putt. He could have struck it dead center but with that path it still would have went left
Any putter held firmly with the face delivering a square strike will send the ball straight down the line into the hole .
These putters are for light grip pendulum strokes only
In reality most handicapper golfers are all over the place on their putting stroke .
which makes the "Emperors clothes" putters even more of a joke.
Like when Jordan Speith won everything holing miracle putts with a super stroke grip , all duffing putters went to superstroke grips , but if you get to hold Speiths putter , the grip is very solid rubber underneath the faux white cover , its easy to dupe people .
Just goes to show that a putter is a very personal choice as I totally disagree with Rick regarding the DF3.
I love my DF3 and have so much confidence with it. I find the face very stable and does not twist as it does in Ricks assessment. However, during my LAB fitting, I found the heavier head a lot more stable than the standard head..maybe that's the difference?
As always though Rick, love the videos, and thanks for reigniting my love of the game over the years.
As usual, Rick's ego gets in the way. He was best with the DF3 but clearly the counterbalance works for him. He should put a counterbalanced DF3 in the bag but he won't because he's more concerned with looking cool.
I think all of you gents are forgetting he’s saying that in reference to feel. We all know feel vs. real is distorted.
@@canyonaro tries to look cool defs BUT the purest mentality (boomer esk) thought process doesn't help at all
I got a df2 last summer and it's worth every penny. It's so good that I've learned to love the look of it. Like an ugly child
My DF3 doesnt twist. Its improved my putting im now a single hcper. Thanks LAB
Am I the only one who thought the putting Matt was all over the place in this video? At least two putts went left and then right as they ran to the hole
Due to Rick pulling and pushing putts, his stroke isn't consistent
Is straight for 90% of putt though
@@ID0nat3YT but if he wants a real test then the floor needs to be straight 100% of the time. Cant test straight putts on a floor thats not level
@@Fizzyford agree, the putting floor needs calibrating
Yeah the down the line camera shows it moving all over the place. Definitely an average floor.
Slightly strange to suggest that the LAB twists loads on off centre hits when it is designed to do the exact opposite. In your previous review you holed 12 in a row with the LAB but then gave up on it after playing 2 holes out on the course? Ive just got a LAB myself and i would argue that im holing some putts now that were not centre hits and definitely would have missed with my previous putter. It takes some getting used to, especially just letting the putter head do its thing instead of trying to manipulate the face, and distance control takes some bedding in but for me personally I'm hitting my intended start line way more often now.
Agreed it’s a bizarre and completely opposite reaction to what his LAB review was 🥴
After this and the Titelist fitting I'm convinced Rick is a headcase. How he cannot see that his putting surface is the issue and not the DF3 or any other putter is the issue has me stunned.
@@maamold What's up with his surface?
@@electricalstuff259 did you notice as the ball was rolling towards the hole? It just kept wobbling and changing direction. That putting surface is not very true.
@maamold oh as a long time fan, no doubt he is. Not sure if he has any siblings, he has single child vibes.
I was thinking about one of the no torque putters, but then I won an HB2 from Cleveland. I really like it, and my putting is even sharper than it was.
Probably the last putter I will ever own is already in my hands.
Always great videos, and I liked the scramble with You Tubers, too.
I got fitted for a Lab Mezz max today. I had the same issue with the off center hits. Until the fitter changed the lie balance complete game changer I purposely hit it on the toe and it preformed really good 👍🏼 didn’t sink it but a no problem tap in
How did he change the balance? Did he give you counter balance?
Imagine you are the engineer that poured his heart into this new putter tech and Rick grabs it and nearly shanks 10 puts in a row and therefore it sells significantly less than it otherwise would have if he made maybe 1 putt of the 10.
Peter Finch had it in the bag for all of two months and complained about pace control. Weirdly, he still leaves putts well long and short with his new putter, but I'm sure it's the equipment...
@@morten3465I play a LAB Mezz and I partially agree with his comment about off-center hits. You get so used to the perfect balance that the torque from an off-center hit is more noticeable. That doesn't mean the putt is worse though - all of these putters have very high MOI.
Also he has the TPT shaft in it, which is extremely communicative. I play the Accra shaft, which has a smoother feel.
Evnroll will be just fine lol
Can’t really take this seriously as a full Rick Shiels review, because he did not comment once on the
“preeemium headcover,
reeealy naice!”
You tube influencers are driving a large part of the market across multiple sports. I work for a baseball bat company , and our business feels these reviews (good and bad) all time.
DF3 is probably one of the most stable putters on the market with little to none twisting. It’s the whole point. No putter is gonna make a massive pull go in 🤷🏼♂️.
I use an Odyssey StrokeLabs DoubleWide now, and love it. But I recently used a LAB Mezz.1 putter, and fell in love with it. I'm considering making a swap. I don't like the DF3 shape, but the Mezz does actually appeal to me.
From distance that putting Mat just doesn’t look like it runs true with misses both ways 🤔
Ok... so after watching this and your success with the 38", I got one. This putter is outstanding and rolls great (like in your review).
Previously had a MM CB, and a SC SS Squareback 38, both of which were just ok for me.
Took the Z1 out today to my home course and rolled 4 putts on each hole (played the back 9) and the difference was amazing (5, 10, 15, 20 foot range). Z1 38 is my new putter for all of 2025!!!
you can tell just by the way the ball is rolling the floor hes putting on is not level lol you can see at 5:50 the ball start left then go back right to fall in.
Literally points with his arm asking for break?? like what is happening lol
I'm sure this works well for a more straight-back straight-through swing for someone with a lot of back bend, but as someone who stands more upright when putting which gives more of an arc to the stroke, I NEED the feel & feedback of a putter that actively wants to open & close as the pendulum swings otherwise I have no sense of where the face is at any given point in the stroke. It's not a flawed concept but it's also not a silver bullet that can fix anyone's putting.
I have the evnroll zero and love it. Save a few putts every round the feeling of the face is amazing
Yes counterbalanced is the key. I was remotely custom fit with LAB at 72°. Went ahead and custom ordered a counterbalanced, heavier head option at 36 inches. 17 in. LAB SS grip. Putter is lights out. Would love to try this counterbalanced version of the EVNROLL
Interestingly enough, I started this summer with the Evenroll X that you are trying out, and anything 10 feet and under was great. Where I was having trouble is with longer putts and distance control, but only on the X putter and not their more standard putter. Switched to the LAB putter, and the distance control was much better. Good friend of mine had the same issue with the Evenroll X and went to LAB with better results on longer putts, just like I did.
I still use a forged AG Spalding blade putter I got when I was 7years old, well over 50 years ago. How good a putter is all depends on "what type of head" has their hands on the grip.
Awesome! Do your buddies who spend top dollar every couple of years on a new putter ever ask to try yours?
Love my df3. Very stable. Straight back and straight through..and i think it looks amazing 🤩
I must say that’s some of the best pace control I’ve seen you have with a putter (the one with the counter balanced mid length shaft). Genuinely thing you should give it a go
I like the look of the counter balanced Evnroll. The look and the softness of the face of the L.A.B. has kept me from going all in on one. I’ve been using a Phantom X12 for a little over a year now. This new Evnroll might be worth a look.
First and only putter I've owned is a Odyssey White Hot. Love the feel off the face.
The comments about the LAB are embarrassing given how you said the opposite when you reviewed it 🙄
Hes being paid by a new daddy for this one. Everything this guy does is for money, not about helping golfers.
So if you don’t like Ricks Content don’t watch
@@johnappleby1480oh boy, we've got a content creator simp in the house...
@ aww bless
@@digitalhillz he gets them for free. yeah hes biased because he only plays clubs that he likes the look of and LAB putters are hideous. he also played an evnroll putter for 5 years. everyone has favorites and thats why brands exist
Looks like a nice new line of putters, but it would take something groundbreaking for me to change from my spider
The previous spoiler putter for me is the best performer so far holing every putt until Rick got complacent on the 9th ladder putt and for the money is the best value putter too.
Any chance the claw grip makes you lose control of the face on the off center strikes? You said the putter was rotating on that axis. If you had a more controlled grip would that control the face better?
The thing I like about the LAB putter is the forward shaft lean. Just feels like like you in the right position at set up.
Sam Hahn of L.A.B. makes a great point about the emulator-putters now flooding the industry, which is that a fixed hosel will limit the configurations since at most you could adjust the loft or lie angle by 2° max without then messing with the "no torque" feature.
Still rocking a beaten up, battle-tested Nike Method putter from the 2000's. Just replaced the grip last year. I have great days and not so great with it. But, in the end, since I know it performs/can perform very well, I keep it, eliminate variables, and practice a bit to find the feel again when "it" gets wayward. Very subtle changes in grip, aim, lie angle, ball position, body tilt, etc, really affect seemingly simple straight putts just as much as triple breaker roller coaster lag putts. Then fast vs slow greens and wet vs dry and windy conditions and grain and punched greens and pressure putting and on and on all affect your putting. These things you learn over time, especially when sticking with one putter. Because mine's a relatively heavy putter, I feel really confident putting from fringe or even rough or out of bunkers when situations warrant it. Lightweight putters won't be so good in those conditions and, therefore, you have effectively one fewer tool in your bag. Putting's much more than just flat perfect greens. And it's the one part of the game where everyone is equal (from a 4 year old to a Champions Tour player) and so, too, is every (legal/regulation) putter. It doesn't have to be rocket science or cost a thousand dollars. Find the tool that works for you and stick with it. You'll find that your stroke will benefit greatly over time from using the same club and your relationship with it will deepen and strengthen. Last point, from personal experience, though others may not "envy" you for keeping the old standby in the bag year after year and not giving in to fads and trends and marketing campaigns and peer pressure, you'll find that they do respect you for it. 👊
I love watching my golfing buddies faces as I drop putts from any distance on the greens with my cheap Carbrite BrassBalls £30 putter … While my mates miss 4 foot putts with their £300/£400 Scotty Cameron, LAB putters … A putter, no matter the cost, is only as good as the arms that swing it…
I’ve been waiting on the 38” Z1 to hit the stores. Tried it today and left with it. They actually had 2 in stock and the other sold while I was there as well. I’ve owned a Lab DF3 as well but sold it.
Rick and formally txg now Club Champion came out with the same video comparing similar products 55min apart. What are the odds of that?
Paid for the review and it was probably sent to them a while ago and the embargo was lifted
How does the Evnroll do in the revealer.
The original LAB putter is by far my favorite. I don’t understand the hate about looks. I think it’s great. Also I feel like I can’t miss within 5 feet. Just so easy to lineup.
Nice video Rick, you made some good points, thanks
I really like the Blue and the Red finishes tbh, each to their own I know, but would be happy to take it out your eyeline Rick 👀😂 Really enjoying the reviews, for someone that putts so well makes sense to keep seeing the putters 👍🏻
Love my Lab Putter !!!
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from watching Rick Shiels videos is that there is ALWAYS personal bias included in his reviews. Mostly they are looks based but there are others. All HONEST reviews should be performance based with a high level of self awareness and accountability. As stated earlier the “face turned” @ 13:05 mark was clearly a shanked putt! 😂 I like you Rick but be honest!
Rick will you be reviewing the new PXG Allen, Thier new offering to the zero talk putters?
I can give you a review. Cheap feeling and not balanced
Ill never be able to afford one, but I absolutely adore lab putters. I have had the chance to use one several times and absolutely putt better with them than anything else I have ever tried. I hate that the evenroll is probably just as or more expensive. Guess I will just still with my old ping blade for now lol. Very cool putters though and definitely an interesting design. Also my entire world changed when I switched to a counter balanced putter
I have tried the counter balance #Evenroll putter & I've used a LAB putter during a round last week. I agree the Evenroll Putter feels more stable...8 want to try it in a 35" with a counter balance weight vs a 38" shaft.
12:35:..."i feel like i have admitted defeat..." best quote of 2024.
Only Rick would say a putter face is twisting because of the technology used to keep it from doing that lol
its because he is trying to counter twist it like with a normal putter, he doesn't understand the technology.
Maybe hit some putts more on the toe and heel, you bring up an interesting point about off centre strikes. Fantastic video. I will wait for more zero torque putters to come out, I use an armlock
I have the LAB Mezz armlock. Highly recommend.
Having just bought a new putter (I change putters every 10-15 years!), I would not be in the market for a new one, but the blacked out counter-balanced putter looks very good - definitely a hint of a spider putter in the design
Clever idea changing the hosel in that way
Describing Lab putters as admitting defeat is absolutely spot on! That is exactly what has kept me away from them lol I have definitely been looking at these new evnrolls though!
The EvnRoll grooves are actually making the ball return to center
How would you compare the feel and sound of these new Erolls to the older ones like the ER2?
Every time I watch one of your videos I want to spend money LOL. That blue one is fire
DF3 review, Ricks words.....ever single put felt brilliant.........😮
I was thinking of getting a PXG Allan putter. Same concept IMO.
@Rick would you bag the Z2s in a counter balance. It sounded like you enjoyed the other models more.
Hey Rick, as a golfer who has a problem with putters with offset, I feel like I will pull the putts! Also as a lefty, how hard is the lab df3 to aim at address?
From the perspective of a mechanical engineer, the LAB putters are the most science based putters ever made. I get that if you don't like the looks....you will have trouble using it because the human body introduces a lot of variables. But if the putter doesn't work for you, it's not the putters fault as this video suggests.
Would you say the newest Z1 is considerably better than the previous models? Surprised you didn’t mention in the video your review on it a few years back.
Will be looking forward to the comparison with Odyssey new Square 2 Square line up.
Not gonna lie that blue beastie looks spectacular to me
Rewatched this - hoping for a comparison of the newly released Odyssey Jailbird Square to Square!!!
Yes, brands specialised in putters only. Like it very much
The Lab DF3 is so good, it’s the best golf purchase I’ve ever made. Rick’s comments are pretty strange about the off center hits, I purposely hit off center just to test this and it still goes straight. If you’re considering one, just try it out yourself, don’t form your opinion from just one TH-camr’s opinion.
This is interesting, I have often thought a Lab/ evenroll colllab would be amazing. The gear effect of the evenroll with the tech of the Lab.
Rick should compare the DF3 in CB model as well vs the Z1 CB
Patiently waiting for the PXG Allan putter review
Would the arm lock in the lab perform better?
Would love to see a video where you try your Bradley putter and discuss it.
Ultimately what matters is how comfortable you feel and how confident with the putter in your hand.
Have you reviewed the Pxg Allan putter yet Rick? Meant not to rotate ‘at all’
The Allan essentially used the same toe up design as the Zero line. Nothing about the Allan or these Evnrolls are new. This is the same tech used by Axis 1, Odyssey’s toe up line several years back. I do however believe they’ve improved upon this philosophy with mallet designs making a bit more stable, but they’re not as stable as LABs tech. Golf Champ did a great video is Allan vs DF3 and they said that someone who is a more experienced may actually benefit from some of the attributes of the Allan based on the fact that you can manipulate it more since it’s not as stable.
Ya but do these apply to every putter stroke? Like aren’t lab putters fitted to each person?
My point is toe hang putters fit my stroke the best and I putt best with them. What would “toe up” do for me?
Rick .. this does seem more like an add for evmroll.. I find the specific thing of the la potter is that even with a shaky stroke and hitting it on the edge that it still goes straight .. as long as you don't push or pull your stroke which is always going to mean it goes offline.
There is a counterbalanced DF3 available. Would be great if you could try to compare it with the counterbalanced Evnroll Zero for completeness.
I had a Lab DF3, felt the same as Rick actually and my speed control was trash. Picked up a Ping Ansr D for less than half the cost of Lab and haven’t looked back.
Are you not supposed to forward press with a center graphity putter?
Interesting demo Rick! I appreciate the innovation taking place in golf equipment recently especially what is happening with short game products. Making the game easier for all levels of players is a good thing. Kudos to Evenroll and Lab for the work they are doing to provide options to golfers.
I love Rick's videos, but he definitely has his biases and they show glaringly.
I have an Evenroll putter also and it's the same model as yours
Hi Rick - would you review Runner Putters?
Were the Odyssey backstryke models not the same principle?
Rick. You should test out the SF1 driver from Performance Golf. The commercials tout it as the anti-slice driver. Maybe Guy can hit it a few times since right is his miss 😂
My putter is about 20 years old and I’ve never found another putter that can match it, for me to change putters it would have to beat it and I can’t see that happening.
You should do a putter shaft review… very curious on that part of the putter
Throw it in the revealer!
Good comparison. Please also compare the PXG Allan putter. And please explain the ER's extra long handle. It's almost long enough to use as a wrist lock; but that's not how you held the putter. You were using a common grip well down the handle. Seems almost like extra long handle for nothing.
The Allan is the same as the evenroll but nothing like the lab, evenroll and Allan are close to zero torque bit not completely and neither are faecbalanced like the lab. The long grip is the counter balance version, the grip is large because it’s weight counter balances with the head making its stability incredible bit you can grip it whether you like, they suggest just gripping it at the same length as your 34” or 35” putter
You speak highly of the new Z1 evnroll and review it against other evnroll and LAB putter but you never compare it to evnrolls already very good lab answer, the ER10. when you look at both the Z1 and ER 10 side by side there is very little difference between the 2. Especially if you add the left handed plumber neck V series adapter to the 10. just saying Rife has had the answer for awhile now, just hasnt pimped it as it is a older design.
TBH I think the hosel doing the same thing as LAB almost makes it look like there’s more going on near the head than less. On visuals in that regard I prefer the straight shaft in a LAB compared the the crank hosel from this video
The Slotline from back in the day had onset like this putter does.
I have the DF3 and I do not feel any type os twisting in fact it is the most stable putter i have ever used, perhaps you are not letting it just do what it does
Can someone answer for me, I have asked on a few forums with no solid answer. What is the difference with a LAB or ENVRoll zero, from a normal centre shaft putter?
Lab is nothin fluke anything else, has zero torue(others say the same but are not) but loot only that is full face balanced which none of the other are. They are not comparable, lab is streets ahead and that is coming from someone who used a lab for months but went back to a jailbird 380
so just tried all four models bought the silver mallet. so i really liked the look of the midblade the best, and the black mallet the least and i owned and liked the original zero putter. the mallet seemed a bit more forgiving than midblade.
I think you need sort out that putting surface. Putts that start on line are missing right, and putts that are slightly pulled are going in.
Do a video on the PXG Allen putter it’s trying to compete with the labs has well!!
Put it in the bag!
It’s weird a lot of your putts go straight down the laser line to the hole, but then they squiggle off to the left and right. I don’t think that’s the putter’s fault. I think it’s something with the green where it’s not perfectly flat if you’re aiming for the middle of the hole and straight down that green laser line.
I would love to see the New Vice Center Shaft Putter !?
Rick, I’d stayed with the spoiler putter!!!
You didn’t miss 3 in a row did you
Only one model is being made left handed, as opposed to LAB making all models lefty so really does not matter to me now, however I do appreciate the review.
Poor Ricks getting grilled on his putting stroke and putting matt... I would like to know how the ZeroZs2 feels vs the old ER2 model he was playing with and if its worth an upgrade in his opinion.
Zero is the best so far
that putting surface is anything but level
pace control over line all day every day. We should be doing these tests at that distance based on proximity to the hole, not just makes.
As much as I like Rick, if you've watched him long enough he always has had an Evnroll putter in the bag. I personally bought one because I trusted him so much. The LAB putter is made to not twist on off center strikes so for Rick to say it's twisting could it be his personal bias. I am actually disappointed in Rick for this one.