Seriously, the rollercoaster of emotions Cap runs through in this video is enough to give you whiplash. I've not heard a grown man make these noises in such a long time... Great video as always, well done.
1:39 see this is what I like about this channel, he reads our comments ,pays attention to what we say and explains why he can’t do that, I like him because he doesn’t ignore us. ( I commented if he could give the anti-ship aircraft air to air missiles )
@@grimreapers you can't use Ticonderoga bc they don't have Tomahawks... come on man😐 lol they're mostly there for defense anyways. Plus* that's kinda like saying, cant use these ships bc NSM doesn't reach/come into play...
@@Anarchy_420 You obviously have trouble with comprehension, the man said he can't do something it is what is move along and just enjoy the video or not.
Good battle. Back in my USN days I went aboard a UK ship to help with an equipment repair. The offered me a beer. Therefore, I would NEVER condone a US vs. UK naval battle. Respect!
@@grimreapers Oooh, do you think the British & American ships & planes could be given skins with corresponding red or blue coats, with tri-point hats & Revolutionary War-era garb? Maybe CH could fashion them some powdered wigs?
@@FunnyQuailMan War? it's not a war. It's a policing action. If you do it from 1776 America loses hard. As is proven by American Armada being destroyed by a inferior force.
@@grimreapers Here's a standard Red VS Blue! Just so happens to be the Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet! Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's! Please Cap lol I've been making this request in one form or another for years now😅🙏
Because Mako is more capable of defeating missile defenses. HALO is what is going to replace LRASM irl and the specifications look very similar to Mako just bigger.
C - The UK group would fight as well as ever but alas, we will name the captured ships, Tea Party, Stamp Act, Sugar Tax, and Pine Tree Riot! and the colors are wrong way 'round, and if you got this far relax it's all in good fun like watching the Royal Marines try to play American football drunk!
This will be entertaining! Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet! Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!
It seems like the launch button got stuck for the US fleet for those spear 3s. Hell, they don't even fire that many at the Chinese hypersonics from what I've seen.
Great video Cap! Really entertaining stuff. My only suggestion is you should have posted this video next Thursday …. It’s a very special day here in the US 😁
That was the most hilarious video ever from GR - not b/c America won but b/c of Caps' brilliant narration. How about we just agree to stay friends? We do have 10 more carrier groups to send, as you mentioned.
I can actually envision you at ten years old sitting on your bed with the sheets pulled over your head and playing battle with your toys in your little tent world.
Why did you give up LRASM? As far as I have read Mako has not even been selected (yet) for full-scale production or use by the US. But LRASM is already operational and they are ramping up production. If you're trying to make an interesting scenario I would have the US equipped with a mix of Mako and LRASM.
I'm also curious when we will see the ship launched versions of the LRASMs. Also, maybe seeing the US fleet with the Zumwalt launching its hypersonics could be fun as well.
@@XrandomnessX Yeah I don't understand why the Navy is moving so slow with developing VLS launched LRASM. That seems like much better use of money than upgrading old Tomahawks. My personal opinion is that submarine launched LRASM is a complete war winning combination. I would also love to see them integrate the new hypersonic missile for Zumwalt into these simulations. Maybe we just don't have enough info about it yet.
Because this is set in 2027-2029, the LRASM will most certainly be in service but the HALO program should be coming to completion and Mako is probably very similar to HALO if quite a bit smaller. Giving everyone next-gen weapons but the US would be unfair.
@@mattseller148 Are you suggesting that LRASM is not a next-gen weapon? I reject the idea that all future weapons most be hypersonic. I think a group of stealthy, smart missiles with large warheads are just as if not more dangerous than a handful of hypersonic missiles.
To address the long range missile complaint you talked about in minute 2, you could start with two complete CBGs and model just the long range attacks in single player, then do the actual multiplayer battles with the resultant states of the groups.
The energy weapons and railguns the US are deep into testing at the moment are both BAE hardware, same with the cool cloaking tech both peeps are testing at the moment (the "invisible" tanks are really worth having a look at)
😂😂 One of the best battles yet, Cap!! One thing is for certain, DCS’s target deconfliction is absolutely horrifying! A U.S. or UK CSG would not blow its load that fast.
Yo Cap! Please!🙏 Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet! Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!👍
@@khriswildt5633 way back when, Russian Fleet beat U.S. Fleet bc they were able to get close enough to use their big guns, and they beat them twice! Lol now I kno a lot has changed since, which is why I've been askin for this request in one form or another for Years*! I just really want to see the rematch/matchup now and with the changes I've asked for essentially make it as balanced as possible! Should be an epic battle!✌
My proposal for the US is F-35s with AIM-260 for long range and AIM-120s for medium range in a 2/4 configuration for long range anti-aircraft capability and medium range for keeping the cost to a reasonable extent.
@@Dimitris_Datseris F-35's will smash MIG-29's and SU-33's all day no matter what! Which is why I've requested The Air-Air to be between F/A-18F's with AIM-260's VS MIG-29KR's with R-77M's to make it as balanced as possible! F-35C's have Mako's and SU-33's have Kinzhal's!✌
Hi Cap, I have a slight complaint which is that it is somewhat unrealistic to have 4 type 45s in the same place at once. Having 4 at sea at once is already pushing it, and we would likely need to spread them out to protect some of our other ships as well. For reference, currently the most we have ever had in one place was 3 for a photo shoot, and that was a decade ago.
Holy snappin' what a battle! The UK has really punched above it's weight in all of these carrier battlegroup fights so far, and to actually take out a US carrier (albiet at the cost of the entire task force minus 1 beat up destroyer) was DAMN impressive, especially as it was an almost literal strike from the grave. GREAT fun to both watch and listen to. Hope there's still more to come!
It is really cool to see these simulations constantly improve with each iteration. With every new video, they get better and better, and more realistic.
As a Brit, this hurt but was massively fun. Super good the US are allies! Britain have a really nice little future carrier group, especially that SPEAR 3. Can only imagine how good it'll be IF the UK retrofits the QE/PoW to have catapults
@@andrewbogard2411 I think the UK still has some ways to go but the Royal Navy may be fine for decades. But it must be mentioned the SPEAR 5 anti-ship is still a long term thing (2030), it'll likely be Tomahawk. Which may still work with the UK's strategy of SAM wasting and big meaty strike when they're out of SAMs ( 1 SQ of SPEAR 3s & Tomahawks, 1 SQ of Storm Shadow/Harpoons/NSM)
Hey Cap! Hope you are feeling well at the moment! Id love to see this battle take place with 2-3 escorts instead, sort of like out on normal patrol, then qll out war breaks out, reduced air wings ext. ❤
@grimreapers Simply a brilliant fight with commentary to match! I too voice an opinion 'not to leave gear off the table' even when the other side can't match it ... & even if it mitigates entertainment a bit. It's why the gods created fast-forwarding after all! 😛 Even if only the occasional battle now and again.
Well if you're going to do that then the British don't and won't have that many f-35s because they've got a split what they're getting between two carriers. And the Americans are still going to outnumber them in escorts
They already did UK vs France, and as much as it pains my half-French heart the UK got that one in the bag. Unless France has FCAS, they just cannot compete with the F-35B
However, keep your eyes on CurrentHill, because he's got some German assets cooking up... Admiral189 also has got some Pasta on the grill too... As far as Japan is concerned they are mostly the same as the US.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Yeah but they were quite scuffed I would like to see the new and improved systems used. Maybe even the new french destroyer the ronarch, i think its called?
@@EnglishScripter Still, I don't think it would be much different. I just looked up the specs for the Ronarc'h, and it isn't _that_ much different from a FREMM, although there could be any number of differences on the inside... A video that I would kind of want to see, though, is the UK and France together vs something else, like the entire Northern Fleet + MiG-31s and S-400s or something.
Camm-Mr will only ever go to sea in the Polish navy and not the RN unless it can still be quadpacked instead of dual packed. Camm-Er maybe as Land ceptor uses it and MBDA are now confident it can still be quadpacked in sylver and mk 41
@@lukeallison3713 The UK is co-developing the MR variant with the Polish, with the army requesting longer range air defense systems and public opinion massively supporting the implementation of GBAD it would make the most sense. It was also announced that they would be procuring the larger, longer ranged version of the SAAB Giraffe radar in recent years. Daul packing is perfectly acceptable for naval missiles. T-26 could carry 16 MR missiles in a single block of MK-41 cells and still have room to carry a potent 16 cruise/asroc type weapons (on top of the 48 standard CAMM). The T-31/2 could carry even more. It would be a really great home grown solution to increase wider area naval defense that's come under question recently as we had only been able to put a single AAW destroyer to sea in response to the Houthis attacks when many other nations were able to put multiple, smaller AAW vessels to sea.
Hey Cap, great video really enjoyed it. I was wondering if you could model the SEA RAM on the Arleigh Burke’s somewhat equivalent to HQ 10 from the Chinese
If UK had used Sea Ceptor instead of Aster to defend the MSTs, I think it would have been a draw overall as both sides would have had very good defences for what they are facing
if UK was actually competent in this they could have beaten US, F-35's should have flown higher, they should not have used all there asters on easy targets.
@@EnglishScripterYep, just finished the video and my god if we had played better we would have won! Spear 3 overwhelm strategy is the only time I can remember USA running out of missiles
Honestly, I think the UK has a chance of at least only losing one or two ships if they simply use Sea Ceptor over ASTER 30. They were a lot of Makos tho. Also kinda wish Cap gave the UK more CAP to take on the anti-shippers, and made the SPEAR 3 squadron of F35Bs beast mode (up to 12 SPEAR 3s each). They were never really detected apart from a couple, and still sapped all the US SAMs
I love these, great work! Also, have you ever considered doing a land battle series? Maybe put up tanks and infantry or other vehicles for both sides with fighter cover and attackers flying overhead? Might be interesting. I know you’ve done land battles but I think the idea would be a large scale attack much like these ones. Let me know what you think!
@@Mobius118problem is DCs is a flight simulator, and the closest you're ever going to come to that is what they're doing now with their Iraq Iran War series
@@Wyomingchief No problem with that, just as the naval simulations aren’t perfect in this because as you stated DCS is a flight simulator. But it’s a fun thing to watch
@@outrider425 did it lose though? One side lost 1/11th of its naval carrier strength compared to the other losing almost all of its naval carrier strength.
I assume the US carrying only 54 Aircraft falls under the "fun" category as the 64-72 (yes I know theoretically up to 90ish) that both the Nimitz and Ford classes can carry would just mean the US out lasts the Brits as they have double the fighters and anti-shippers? If I remember right isn't that more of how the 2025 US vs UK went which had more US aircraft.
American carrier groups actually only have 48 strike aircraft on board, with the rest being support aircraft so 54 is actually more than would be usually found.
@viaticchart3139 24 is peacetime for Atlantic operations. She's also limited to that by the currently inadequate size of Britains F-35B fleet. She can accommodate 36 fighters comfortably, along with all her helicopters. Space for 20 fighters in the hangar comfortably, space for 8 by her starboard rear, and an additional 8 by her bow and central elevator. Additional parks by and between her islands for her full complement of Merlins and Wildcats too. That leaves her entire port side unused, which could otherwise line up 16 odd fighters at the cost of vertical landing spaces. With 40 aircraft she'll still have her runway clear, and about 6 vertical landing spots for helos and jets too. Affording similar reserve space for a Nimitz, with her take off and landing spaces clear, she can and often does manage about 48-54 fighters plus her other aircraft types. Thats 4 squadrons of 12, plus a flight for CAP. That includes also, 4-6 large E2Ds, 2 large C2 Greyhounds for COD, 4-6 Growlers for EW, and 6-8 Seahawks.
I think the Meteor is benefiting from the AI not continuing to notch, they notch and then turn back around allowing the slow missile to reacquire or get the next one in the line. If it was human or they weren't in a perfect line it probably wouldn't do so well.
The Brits may have pulled a draw out of nowhere, but note that they dont have a carrier or its escorts anymore. The US still have another 10 carriers, and I’m pretty sure we’ve got a new one set to launch this year. Still, great fight they put up. Im glad they’re on our side.
Not sure it's over modelling of the AIM260, but the Meteor is way underpowered. It was about right but then you reduced its capability because people were saying it was "too good". Even using the Wikipedia article it says "over Mach 4" and "110nmi+" so why it'd modelled so that it struggled to hit Mach 4, I don't know.
Likely because it's been fired low down, when fired in optimal parameters (high and fast) it will absolutely hit those figures or get close to it from what I recall from past vids. I could be wrong on that, but I do know for sure that the altitude and speed of the launching jets is playing a major factor in the speed the Meteors can reach, considering their propulsion system
@@Mobius118 yeah, but the issue is the AIM260 doesn't have the same issues. I understand lower launch altitude will equal lower speed and range, but the Meteor is nerfed to hell when doing this, yet no other missiles are.
@@skatman3278no it's not, the aim 260 when fired down low has a much more powerful booster which gets it up to the altitude. Whereas the meteor doesn't have that strong boost phase but it does have a longer burn phase
AIM-260 also should have a better PK as its the 1st BVRAAM to employ a multi-mode terminal seeker. Either a dual or a tri-mode seeker with active/passive RF and infrared IIR.
Hey Cap. Do you have the Tacview recorded for this battle? I was genuinely hoping someone from GR may be able to do a quick rewind of this and see what drained all the US SAMs so well? During the UK vs. China video (I believe), it appears as if UK was missing a lot of offensive capability. And now in this video, UK was able to absolutely drain all of the US SAMs and I'm having trouble tracking what caused that. Not saying it's unlikely/impossible, just curious as to what the general strategy was (for example, like the previous UK video where they were firing too many (3) missiles per incoming threat). Thanks Cap! Good to be on the same team, and wouldn't want to fight either of those forces!
Yeah, the DCS issue where it's firing too many SAMs at each incoming ASM must be the issue. I know we discussed this already and I understand it's a DCS core issue that can't be fixed via mod at present, and I'm not blaming you etc. - merely pointing out what I'm able to observe. This isn't a US vs. UK issue either, as I know we've observed the same issue with the UK firing too many SAMs per incoming threat. It shouldn't take just 160 enemy ASMs to use up all 540 US CSG SAMs. If we used those numbers as an example, the whole Red Sea defense force would have gone through all of their VLS cells already hah. Actually, the Red Sea scenario, although different as it isn't ASM coming at the actual CSG itself in most cases, and rather mostly incoming munitions toward distant civilian tankers, it is one of the more useful encounters to study.
@@jamison884 Seems to have something to do with the percived threat of the spear3, usually more difficult targets are targeted by more missiles, but here each spear3 was getting 4 missiles shot at it despite being a relatively easy missile to intercept.
@@sandevee439the whole problem with the anti-air missiles, whether it be the sm-3 or sm-6 or the British ones, is all because of the DCS core model. There's really nothing you can do at this time. Again people forget that this is a flight simulator not a naval simulator and the naval assets are just a bonus
I think this can be equalised out, though. The British were also firing unnecessarily large amounts of their most advanced interceptors at even the Tomahawks, leaving very little left to intercept the Makos that were inbound. The US had 144 Tomahawks and 144 Makos available to fire. That's 288 AShM that the UK would theoretically have to deal with at a maximum. The UK on the other hand had 192 Aster 30s and 192 Sea Ceptors, so already this is more than enough to handle the number of AShMs that the US can theoretically fire, especially once you consider that there would not be a need to double up interceptors on something as primitive as a Tomahawk where a single Sea Ceptor would be sufficient.
@@Markus117d No, it’s 9.6 billion for the first one if you include research and dev costs. All US procurement numbers include research and development. Actual per unit build cost is often hard to find for US military purchases. The Gerald R Ford cost $11B. That number includes is build + research and dev. The HMS Queen E was $6B for dev and $3B for build.
The next day, a British recon flight will find another carrier in the area and report it as a second one, but in reality the American damage control will have gotten the Roosevelt back up and running. :)
While the French Navy Aviation force doesn’t use F-35’s and are limited to the Rafale: I would love to see what they can do against American, British, Russian and Chinese Navy’s. They do have formidable a formidable navy, and while they may fail- it would be fun to see. Italy can fit in here too. I would also love to see some smaller match ups of Danish, Dutch, German, Swedish, Finnish (all using joint air force with naval powers). Ie: maybe a Baltic and Northern Sea joint Op battle against Russia. This would remind me of the 4 day Taiwan battle you did. That was epic and would love to see more of it❤
You gotta do another full human battle like this again. I remember when you did one before and it was great but an updated one with all the new technology and mods would be sick
I have looked into this thoroughly and spoken to two US carrier operators and they all agree with 56 planes, the rest of the 90 are Helicopters/AEW/EW etc.
Cap, The majority of those 34 extra aircraft you don’t model would be EW aircraft, which are FA-18 growlers, and therefore still extremely capable in air to air/ anti ship roles. At most the carriers would have 3 AWACS for redundancy and 6 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare (remember every Arleigh Burke has its own anti submarine/CSAR helicopter on board) so that’s 25 extremely capable fighter aircraft your leaving off the table!
Was a great battle, I'm glad we're both on the same side! Would love to see these strategies put together having US and UK vs China and Russia. The UK Spear 3 & 5 combo would go lovely with the US Tomahawk & Mako combo! For this one it was a shame the AI crapped out and used up all the precious Asters on the Tomahawks and that the F35's didn't fire the Meteors as well as the AI fires them from the Typhoons. I think that would've made it a much closer battle overall. Probably still a USA win, but closer for sure. Cap, please look after yourself.
Arleigh Burke Class Flight III has 96 VLS cells, Ticonderoga Class has 122 VLS cells. Both can take any mix of: RIM-66M surface-to-air missile, RIM-156 surface-to-air missile, RIM-174A standard ERAM, RIM-161 anti-ballistic missile, RIM-162 ESSM, BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile, and RUM-139 vertical launch ASROC.
I think his reasoning for keeping the ticos out is kinda dumb if you replace a single Burke with a tico the outcome of this video would be different simply because of the extra vls cells
@@Iamabot4708exactly and to be honest there's no guarantee those ticonderoga's are going to be taken out of service. The Navy has been trying to do that for the past 8 years but Congress keeps telling them know and keep funding their overhaul. So I personally think will still have the Ticonderoga until at least 2030 and at that point they will probably decommission them once we have enough of the new frigates
The ffg-62 is not replacing the ticonderogas. The ship that will replace the ticonderogas is the DDG(X). The DDG(X) will also replace the Arleigh Burke flt.Is and flt.IIs
As an Australian, i would really like to sea the Hunter class (Australian type 26) and see how it compares in this type of scenario. like our hunter class can potentially hold a similar weapons load but American/Norwegian; a potential armament is: 76 missiles total (+torps, i was surprised the City class isnt equiped with torpedo launchers on ship) - 48 ESSM (using 12 MK-41) - 12 SM-2/SM-6? (tbf we could also just pack it with another 48 ESSM's) - 8 long range attack (tomahawk block? or even something similar to SPEAR5?) - 8 deck launched canister launched NSM (we could fit another 8 if we wanted to aswell, though tbf that depends on the available top weight as our radar is already considerabley more heavy) and i wonder what the Ceafar Radar (CEAMOUNT 2) panel array can do, compared to the ARTISAN 3d radar spinning array. another fantastic video as always
According to the Wiki the Ford class carries 3 CWIS, 2 RIM 116 launchers (42 missiles), 2 ESSM launchers (16 Missiles) and 4 MK 38 25mm gun systems. Also by 2027 will any of the F-18 Anti ship be F-35?
Regarding the Type 26, The first one has been more than laid out, It's currently being fitted out, ie having its systems installed ect, The second will be floated out of the construction shipyard and over to the fitting out yard in August, Just a couple of months away from now, The third is beginning construction currently...
Ironwinkle - I think he got promoted to Commodore in 2028? Great one, Cap. Hope GR Baby and Mrs GR are doing well. A little Rewenge for sinking all our fleet, I suppose.
Thanks for the video Cap! I've been wondering for so long as to why the USN wasn't focusing on ASM capability, and a big part of that is the Martime Strike Tomahawk. Even if it doesn't have the stealth or the speed of other new toys coming into service, it has the other mighty quality of quantity and range. If you watch during the video at the first Mako's hitting, what do you see in the center of the map? Another wave of MST's incoming. Then when you combine that with more Mako's, and most importantly, LRASM's with a likely real-world range between 500 and 750 NMs, it all comes together for the offensive side of USN capability. Plus, I know Rapid Dragon is more of a USAF capability, but the most important aspect of that entire program is turning every C-130 aircraft from all of the services into a potential combat plane rather than merely a transport or ISR asset. Can you imagine being on the Chinese side and having to monitor all of the C-130 and C-17 (and other transports) that the US runs on a daily basis, especially all of that traffic during a war, and taking into consideration that there's a potential for any one of them to unleash strike missiles at your assets? It turns up the enemy workload and risk so high.
@@Iamabot4708 Huh? I didn't comment on AI and I didn't say anything about losing. Which side even lost? Appears to be a draw to me. Both CSGs were destroyed. I commented on DCS mods finally getting to the point of showing the USN's real world doctrine of increasing offensive firepower (Mako/MST/LRASM) to actually take out an enemy CSG rather than purely defend with Aegis and rely on the carrier air wing to perform all offensive duties.
well the reason it's an AI problem is it goes down to the core programming of this simulator. People keep forgetting this is a flight simulator not a naval simulator. So basically all the naval assets are just a bonus
US also have their own version of Spear 3 with SDB II (Stormbreaker). So like the Brits, they can first drain the enemy's SAM then follow it up with MAKO or LRASM or Tomahawk. Heck even AARGM-ER can also be used for anti-ship role as it can home in on their radars. Then their is still the upcoming SiAW and older Harpoon and NSM. And MALD decoys too. So lots of options.
He’s so happy when they destroy one ship of our fleet while his fleet is at the bottom of the sea, but he’d be pissing his pants and spilling his tea when our 10 other carriers showed up
It seems as though Britain and America have had the most effective offence so far, what with the American MST/Mako combo and the British Spear 3/Spear 5. Not what I expected, and a very big departure for the NSMs of the previous series.
Cap lost his shit this episode and I'm all here for it!
He's coming apart at the seams.
1.5 speed made it even better.
This was like watching my nephew watching an Alabama football game.
ive never seen cap get so excited before it makes me happy to see and proud to be america and better that any other country
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Seriously, the rollercoaster of emotions Cap runs through in this video is enough to give you whiplash. I've not heard a grown man make these noises in such a long time... Great video as always, well done.
1:39 see this is what I like about this channel, he reads our comments ,pays attention to what we say and explains why he can’t do that, I like him because he doesn’t ignore us.
( I commented if he could give the anti-ship aircraft air to air missiles )
Roger thanks.
@@grimreapers you can't use Ticonderoga bc they don't have Tomahawks... come on man😐 lol they're mostly there for defense anyways. Plus* that's kinda like saying, cant use these ships bc NSM doesn't reach/come into play...
@@grimreapers you say it's not realistic to use lol I say it's more unrealistic to not use ;)
That goes for Slava and Kirov as well*
@@Anarchy_420 You obviously have trouble with comprehension, the man said he can't do something it is what is move along and just enjoy the video or not.
@@JJ-1-1 you obviously have trouble with being a jerk off. They can do it and are choosing not to! Lmao I'll make any request I like👌👍
Good battle. Back in my USN days I went aboard a UK ship to help with an equipment repair.
The offered me a beer.
Therefore, I would NEVER condone a US vs. UK naval battle. Respect!
Haha, come over for all the beers my friend! Bezzie mates forever!
I am only slightly annoyed you didnt make uk red team. Give us a little 1776 redcoats vs blue coat throwback!
By the time I realised, the mission was half built and didn;t have enough time to re-make.
@@grimreapers Oooh, do you think the British & American ships & planes could be given skins with corresponding red or blue coats, with tri-point hats & Revolutionary War-era garb? Maybe CH could fashion them some powdered wigs?
@@FunnyQuailMan War? it's not a war. It's a policing action. If you do it from 1776 America loses hard. As is proven by American Armada being destroyed by a inferior force.
@@FunnyQuailMan that would be freaking sick!
@@grimreapers Here's a standard Red VS Blue! Just so happens to be the Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet!
Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's! Please Cap lol I've been making this request in one form or another for years now😅🙏
Cap's unbiased commentary is commendable.
Great battle, fantastic video!
People who complain regarding realism.
A - ITS A GAME
B - GR VIDEOS NEED TO BE ENTERTAINING
can't have "realism" in a future setting anyway
I think some of the things that are being said are important why in the world would you replace lrasm by the US with mako.
Because Mako is more capable of defeating missile defenses. HALO is what is going to replace LRASM irl and the specifications look very similar to Mako just bigger.
C - The UK group would fight as well as ever but alas, we will name the captured ships, Tea Party, Stamp Act, Sugar Tax, and Pine Tree Riot! and the colors are wrong way 'round, and if you got this far relax it's all in good fun like watching the Royal Marines try to play American football drunk!
This will be entertaining! Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet!
Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!
Oh man, Cap was in rare form for this one! 11/10 would listen to Cap losing his mind again.
I love being a valued viewer.
Great great production there Cap!
It seems like the launch button got stuck for the US fleet for those spear 3s. Hell, they don't even fire that many at the Chinese hypersonics from what I've seen.
yeah, .25 kdr seems insane for slow small cheap missiles
Crikey that was full on. Can't belive the US carrier went down , looked for the longest time they would clean sweep the UK. Thanks for the battle Cap
Great video Cap! Really entertaining stuff. My only suggestion is you should have posted this video next Thursday …. It’s a very special day here in the US 😁
That was the most hilarious video ever from GR - not b/c America won but b/c of Caps' brilliant narration. How about we just agree to stay friends? We do have 10 more carrier groups to send, as you mentioned.
Great carrier battle and hilarious commentary.
I can actually envision you at ten years old sitting on your bed with the sheets pulled over your head and playing battle with your toys in your little tent world.
No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again! (c)
This would be a great scenario to add 1-2 humans on each side.
UK: It looks like we're in trouble, fallout boy.
Why did you give up LRASM? As far as I have read Mako has not even been selected (yet) for full-scale production or use by the US. But LRASM is already operational and they are ramping up production. If you're trying to make an interesting scenario I would have the US equipped with a mix of Mako and LRASM.
I'm also curious when we will see the ship launched versions of the LRASMs. Also, maybe seeing the US fleet with the Zumwalt launching its hypersonics could be fun as well.
@@XrandomnessX Yeah I don't understand why the Navy is moving so slow with developing VLS launched LRASM. That seems like much better use of money than upgrading old Tomahawks.
My personal opinion is that submarine launched LRASM is a complete war winning combination.
I would also love to see them integrate the new hypersonic missile for Zumwalt into these simulations. Maybe we just don't have enough info about it yet.
@blueskiestrevor5200 the Navy did mention the Zumwolt was being upgraded as of now to get hypersonic missiles if I recall
Because this is set in 2027-2029, the LRASM will most certainly be in service but the HALO program should be coming to completion and Mako is probably very similar to HALO if quite a bit smaller. Giving everyone next-gen weapons but the US would be unfair.
@@mattseller148 Are you suggesting that LRASM is not a next-gen weapon? I reject the idea that all future weapons most be hypersonic. I think a group of stealthy, smart missiles with large warheads are just as if not more dangerous than a handful of hypersonic missiles.
Cap's commentary is the absolute cherry on the top for these vids. :) TY Cap!
Carrier Group Battles.... YAY - Go team UK!!!
Love this series.
36:36 “tttttthhhhhhhpppppp!” Cap, 2024
lol my baby makes that noise.
To address the long range missile complaint you talked about in minute 2, you could start with two complete CBGs and model just the long range attacks in single player, then do the actual multiplayer battles with the resultant states of the groups.
Great narration today. The energy and excitement of the Upper Class Twit of the Year competition.
Fun fact the US Navy is fairly close to equipping it's ships with high energy lasers. It has one on ship for testing right now.
So is the UK, interesting times
Same with UK.
The energy weapons and railguns the US are deep into testing at the moment are both BAE hardware, same with the cool cloaking tech both peeps are testing at the moment (the "invisible" tanks are really worth having a look at)
@@PurpsUK2 I would, but they are.... invisible :P
@@PurpsUK2 If you're talking about the Adaptiv camouflage it was an experiment from decades ago and went nowhere....
😂😂 One of the best battles yet, Cap!!
One thing is for certain, DCS’s target deconfliction is absolutely horrifying! A U.S. or UK CSG would not blow its load that fast.
This is the most entertaining video yet! Love your emotional comments.
Yo Cap! Please!🙏 Long awaited 3rd rematch! U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet!
Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!👍
The Russian fleet cannot be their fleet if we had our arms tied behind our back lol
@@khriswildt5633 way back when, Russian Fleet beat U.S. Fleet bc they were able to get close enough to use their big guns, and they beat them twice! Lol now I kno a lot has changed since, which is why I've been askin for this request in one form or another for Years*! I just really want to see the rematch/matchup now and with the changes I've asked for essentially make it as balanced as possible! Should be an epic battle!✌
My proposal for the US is F-35s with AIM-260 for long range and AIM-120s for medium range in a 2/4 configuration for long range anti-aircraft capability and medium range for keeping the cost to a reasonable extent.
@@Dimitris_Datseris F-35's will smash MIG-29's and SU-33's all day no matter what! Which is why I've requested The Air-Air to be between F/A-18F's with AIM-260's VS MIG-29KR's with R-77M's to make it as balanced as possible! F-35C's have Mako's and SU-33's have Kinzhal's!✌
@Anarchy_420 I'm starting to get bored with American carrier group versus Russian carrier group. The Russian Navy is rather pathetic these days. 😢
31:57 "Shoot, yes! We're firing at America!! At eh pppppp..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was so excited. The he saw the Aegis wall coming in.
Hi Cap, I have a slight complaint which is that it is somewhat unrealistic to have 4 type 45s in the same place at once.
Having 4 at sea at once is already pushing it, and we would likely need to spread them out to protect some of our other ships as well.
For reference, currently the most we have ever had in one place was 3 for a photo shoot, and that was a decade ago.
I love it when CAP loses it like that. He should commentate a football game
This was, by far, the most nail-biting scenario in a very long time!
Well created, Cap!
Ps-where’s Sock?
Holy snappin' what a battle! The UK has really punched above it's weight in all of these carrier battlegroup fights so far, and to actually take out a US carrier (albiet at the cost of the entire task force minus 1 beat up destroyer) was DAMN impressive, especially as it was an almost literal strike from the grave. GREAT fun to both watch and listen to. Hope there's still more to come!
Actually they lost that entire fleet because there was still at least one more if not two more flights of makos coming in.
@@Wyomingchief True. A total wipe then. Still an impressive and expensive scrappy fight against the world's most powerful navy.
@@exidy-yt Supercarrier shouldent have died, US wasted all their best SAMs on crappy 500 knot missiles, but still very impressive for britan.
@@STURYANPHUAYEWLIANGWould also argue that the UK wasted most of their Asters on Tomahawks
It is really cool to see these simulations constantly improve with each iteration. With every new video, they get better and better, and more realistic.
As a Brit, this hurt but was massively fun. Super good the US are allies!
Britain have a really nice little future carrier group, especially that SPEAR 3. Can only imagine how good it'll be IF the UK retrofits the QE/PoW to have catapults
I thought it went quite well, we sunk the most powerful nation on earths carrier...
@EnglishScripter you all put up a darn good show especially with the several layered defense that we (the us) have built in our destroyers
@@andrewbogard2411 Yeah shows how powerful our new weapons are, also if the AI was not on the US side, we could have done better.
@@EnglishScripter oh yeah, but we lost an entire carrier group. In fairness, China and Russia haven't come close historically in these big GR battles
@@andrewbogard2411 I think the UK still has some ways to go but the Royal Navy may be fine for decades. But it must be mentioned the SPEAR 5 anti-ship is still a long term thing (2030), it'll likely be Tomahawk. Which may still work with the UK's strategy of SAM wasting and big meaty strike when they're out of SAMs ( 1 SQ of SPEAR 3s & Tomahawks, 1 SQ of Storm Shadow/Harpoons/NSM)
Hey Cap! Hope you are feeling well at the moment! Id love to see this battle take place with 2-3 escorts instead, sort of like out on normal patrol, then qll out war breaks out, reduced air wings ext. ❤
After this I'm thinking of doing a realistic verions with more realistic setups and distances etc.
@grimreapers Simply a brilliant fight with commentary to match! I too voice an opinion 'not to leave gear off the table' even when the other side can't match it ... & even if it mitigates entertainment a bit. It's why the gods created fast-forwarding after all! 😛 Even if only the occasional battle now and again.
Well if you're going to do that then the British don't and won't have that many f-35s because they've got a split what they're getting between two carriers. And the Americans are still going to outnumber them in escorts
Britain vs France?
Would also be nice to see some stuff from the Japanese or the germans?
They already did UK vs France, and as much as it pains my half-French heart the UK got that one in the bag. Unless France has FCAS, they just cannot compete with the F-35B
However, keep your eyes on CurrentHill, because he's got some German assets cooking up...
Admiral189 also has got some Pasta on the grill too...
As far as Japan is concerned they are mostly the same as the US.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Yeah but they were quite scuffed I would like to see the new and improved systems used. Maybe even the new french destroyer the ronarch, i think its called?
@@EnglishScripter Still, I don't think it would be much different.
I just looked up the specs for the Ronarc'h, and it isn't _that_ much different from a FREMM, although there could be any number of differences on the inside...
A video that I would kind of want to see, though, is the UK and France together vs something else, like the entire Northern Fleet + MiG-31s and S-400s or something.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx The northern fleet is mostly submarines though, and older destroyers.
One of the most enjoyable videos in a long time - loved it
Perhaps when this is revisited in the future we will see CAMM-ER and perhaps even CAMM-MR too.
Camm-Mr will only ever go to sea in the Polish navy and not the RN unless it can still be quadpacked instead of dual packed. Camm-Er maybe as Land ceptor uses it and MBDA are now confident it can still be quadpacked in sylver and mk 41
@@lukeallison3713 The UK is co-developing the MR variant with the Polish, with the army requesting longer range air defense systems and public opinion massively supporting the implementation of GBAD it would make the most sense. It was also announced that they would be procuring the larger, longer ranged version of the SAAB Giraffe radar in recent years.
Daul packing is perfectly acceptable for naval missiles. T-26 could carry 16 MR missiles in a single block of MK-41 cells and still have room to carry a potent 16 cruise/asroc type weapons (on top of the 48 standard CAMM). The T-31/2 could carry even more. It would be a really great home grown solution to increase wider area naval defense that's come under question recently as we had only been able to put a single AAW destroyer to sea in response to the Houthis attacks when many other nations were able to put multiple, smaller AAW vessels to sea.
The most exciting video i have seen. great job cap..
America: Stay down your done!
Britain: i didnt hear no fkin bell!
Yeah except cap cut the video before that last British ship was destroyed. There was still another flight of makos coming
From all of these I've seen, what a come back!!!
I would love to see the US with a mix of mako and LRASM, maybe half the super hornets have mako and the other half LRASM
One of the most entertaining to date. To borrow your parlance: Riveting!
What do they need to stop Spear 3? Lasers. Would they not have them by then?
Also SEARAM that neither the carrier nor the destroyers had which would add a few close range missiles to defend the closer shots
@@viaticchart3139 C-RAM, not SEARAM
Imagine someone making a compilation of all grim reapers‘ weird noises
Hey Cap, great video really enjoyed it. I was wondering if you could model the SEA RAM on the Arleigh Burke’s somewhat equivalent to HQ 10 from the Chinese
It should also be on the carrier plus a few ESSM for its own self defence
If UK had used Sea Ceptor instead of Aster to defend the MSTs, I think it would have been a draw overall as both sides would have had very good defences for what they are facing
if UK was actually competent in this they could have beaten US, F-35's should have flown higher, they should not have used all there asters on easy targets.
Whenever I see the Abbreviation MST I just think of Mystical Space Typhoon from my good ol' young'un Yugioh days before responsibilities, good times.
@@EnglishScripterYep, just finished the video and my god if we had played better we would have won!
Spear 3 overwhelm strategy is the only time I can remember USA running out of missiles
@@ARandomCustodian Grade A reference
Honestly, I think the UK has a chance of at least only losing one or two ships if they simply use Sea Ceptor over ASTER 30. They were a lot of Makos tho.
Also kinda wish Cap gave the UK more CAP to take on the anti-shippers, and made the SPEAR 3 squadron of F35Bs beast mode (up to 12 SPEAR 3s each). They were never really detected apart from a couple, and still sapped all the US SAMs
Brilliant example of a pyrrhic victory! Well done!
Had me in stitches!
Yes, I had to look up how pyrrhic was spelled.
Freakin' Awesome Entertainment
I love these, great work! Also, have you ever considered doing a land battle series? Maybe put up tanks and infantry or other vehicles for both sides with fighter cover and attackers flying overhead? Might be interesting.
I know you’ve done land battles but I think the idea would be a large scale attack much like these ones. Let me know what you think!
No pressure, just curious
@@Mobius118problem is DCs is a flight simulator, and the closest you're ever going to come to that is what they're doing now with their Iraq Iran War series
@@Wyomingchief No problem with that, just as the naval simulations aren’t perfect in this because as you stated DCS is a flight simulator. But it’s a fun thing to watch
Damn. US lost a carrier. Damn we are only down to just a measly 10 nuclear carriers.
still lost to an inferior Force tho moral damage would be higher than the actual losses
@@outrider425 did it lose though? One side lost 1/11th of its naval carrier strength compared to the other losing almost all of its naval carrier strength.
@@outrider425they clearly win bozo they have 11 carriers
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8:18 Cap is British? I thought he was Australian.
Lol Cap is so into this! I've never heard him so invested.
I assume the US carrying only 54 Aircraft falls under the "fun" category as the 64-72 (yes I know theoretically up to 90ish) that both the Nimitz and Ford classes can carry would just mean the US out lasts the Brits as they have double the fighters and anti-shippers? If I remember right isn't that more of how the 2025 US vs UK went which had more US aircraft.
Well the problem is you're not including the ew aircraft the Greyhounds and tanker playing so that's actually about right
American carrier groups actually only have 48 strike aircraft on board, with the rest being support aircraft so 54 is actually more than would be usually found.
@@tryannosaur and theLiz would have a war time wing of only 24 F-35B. the 36 is at surge which would then bring the Ford up to 60-72 combat aircraft
@viaticchart3139 24 is peacetime for Atlantic operations. She's also limited to that by the currently inadequate size of Britains F-35B fleet. She can accommodate 36 fighters comfortably, along with all her helicopters.
Space for 20 fighters in the hangar comfortably, space for 8 by her starboard rear, and an additional 8 by her bow and central elevator. Additional parks by and between her islands for her full complement of Merlins and Wildcats too. That leaves her entire port side unused, which could otherwise line up 16 odd fighters at the cost of vertical landing spaces. With 40 aircraft she'll still have her runway clear, and about 6 vertical landing spots for helos and jets too.
Affording similar reserve space for a Nimitz, with her take off and landing spaces clear, she can and often does manage about 48-54 fighters plus her other aircraft types. Thats 4 squadrons of 12, plus a flight for CAP. That includes also, 4-6 large E2Ds, 2 large C2 Greyhounds for COD, 4-6 Growlers for EW, and 6-8 Seahawks.
I think the Meteor is benefiting from the AI not continuing to notch, they notch and then turn back around allowing the slow missile to reacquire or get the next one in the line. If it was human or they weren't in a perfect line it probably wouldn't do so well.
The Brits may have pulled a draw out of nowhere, but note that they dont have a carrier or its escorts anymore. The US still have another 10 carriers, and I’m pretty sure we’ve got a new one set to launch this year.
Still, great fight they put up. Im glad they’re on our side.
Big question I have: Is there a reason both CWIS and SERAM self defense units never fire on the carriers, like the US Nimitz?
Next you gotta do Russia v Chyna.
Yup
Brilliant episode!
Be cheeky and try a rematch but USMC+RN vs USN?
Not sure it's over modelling of the AIM260, but the Meteor is way underpowered. It was about right but then you reduced its capability because people were saying it was "too good". Even using the Wikipedia article it says "over Mach 4" and "110nmi+" so why it'd modelled so that it struggled to hit Mach 4, I don't know.
Likely because it's been fired low down, when fired in optimal parameters (high and fast) it will absolutely hit those figures or get close to it from what I recall from past vids. I could be wrong on that, but I do know for sure that the altitude and speed of the launching jets is playing a major factor in the speed the Meteors can reach, considering their propulsion system
@@Mobius118 yeah, but the issue is the AIM260 doesn't have the same issues. I understand lower launch altitude will equal lower speed and range, but the Meteor is nerfed to hell when doing this, yet no other missiles are.
@@skatman3278no it's not, the aim 260 when fired down low has a much more powerful booster which gets it up to the altitude. Whereas the meteor doesn't have that strong boost phase but it does have a longer burn phase
It doesn't have the same issues because they're different missiles designed to work differently😂
AIM-260 also should have a better PK as its the 1st BVRAAM to employ a multi-mode terminal seeker. Either a dual or a tri-mode seeker with active/passive RF and infrared IIR.
Hey Cap. Do you have the Tacview recorded for this battle? I was genuinely hoping someone from GR may be able to do a quick rewind of this and see what drained all the US SAMs so well? During the UK vs. China video (I believe), it appears as if UK was missing a lot of offensive capability. And now in this video, UK was able to absolutely drain all of the US SAMs and I'm having trouble tracking what caused that. Not saying it's unlikely/impossible, just curious as to what the general strategy was (for example, like the previous UK video where they were firing too many (3) missiles per incoming threat).
Thanks Cap! Good to be on the same team, and wouldn't want to fight either of those forces!
Yeah, the DCS issue where it's firing too many SAMs at each incoming ASM must be the issue. I know we discussed this already and I understand it's a DCS core issue that can't be fixed via mod at present, and I'm not blaming you etc. - merely pointing out what I'm able to observe. This isn't a US vs. UK issue either, as I know we've observed the same issue with the UK firing too many SAMs per incoming threat.
It shouldn't take just 160 enemy ASMs to use up all 540 US CSG SAMs. If we used those numbers as an example, the whole Red Sea defense force would have gone through all of their VLS cells already hah. Actually, the Red Sea scenario, although different as it isn't ASM coming at the actual CSG itself in most cases, and rather mostly incoming munitions toward distant civilian tankers, it is one of the more useful encounters to study.
@@jamison884 Seems to have something to do with the percived threat of the spear3, usually more difficult targets are targeted by more missiles, but here each spear3 was getting 4 missiles shot at it despite being a relatively easy missile to intercept.
@@sandevee439 Yes, good observation, thank you. I believe I counted around 40 SM-2 missiles going towards the SPEAR3 launch from just two F-35B's.
@@sandevee439the whole problem with the anti-air missiles, whether it be the sm-3 or sm-6 or the British ones, is all because of the DCS core model. There's really nothing you can do at this time. Again people forget that this is a flight simulator not a naval simulator and the naval assets are just a bonus
I think this can be equalised out, though. The British were also firing unnecessarily large amounts of their most advanced interceptors at even the Tomahawks, leaving very little left to intercept the Makos that were inbound.
The US had 144 Tomahawks and 144 Makos available to fire. That's 288 AShM that the UK would theoretically have to deal with at a maximum. The UK on the other hand had 192 Aster 30s and 192 Sea Ceptors, so already this is more than enough to handle the number of AShMs that the US can theoretically fire, especially once you consider that there would not be a need to double up interceptors on something as primitive as a Tomahawk where a single Sea Ceptor would be sufficient.
Cap is worse than a crazy football fan lol
Cap melting down was worth it for this blue on blue escapade. Lucky for both sides we are allies... for now anyway.
Wait..an entire British fleet only costs 16 billion? Is that right?
Well both fleets are missing their SSNs. These costs are approximate.
Yeah you spent like 13 billion per carrier, we spent like 3 billion, and yours are not 4x better,
@@EnglishScripter The HMS Queen Elizabeth cost $9.6 billion US.
@@tbe0116 $5.5bn or $11bn for both..
@@Markus117d No, it’s 9.6 billion for the first one if you include research and dev costs. All US procurement numbers include research and development. Actual per unit build cost is often hard to find for US military purchases. The Gerald R Ford cost $11B. That number includes is build + research and dev. The HMS Queen E was $6B for dev and $3B for build.
Go America!! If we don't dominate, I'll cry myself to sleep. Thanks for your work sir.
The next day, a British recon flight will find another carrier in the area and report it as a second one, but in reality the American damage control will have gotten the Roosevelt back up and running. :)
When the remake is just as good as the original:
While the French Navy Aviation force doesn’t use F-35’s and are limited to the Rafale: I would love to see what they can do against American, British, Russian and Chinese Navy’s. They do have formidable a formidable navy, and while they may fail- it would be fun to see. Italy can fit in here too.
I would also love to see some smaller match ups of Danish, Dutch, German, Swedish, Finnish (all using joint air force with naval powers). Ie: maybe a Baltic and Northern Sea joint Op battle against Russia. This would remind me of the 4 day Taiwan battle you did. That was epic and would love to see more of it❤
even if the ticonderoga was still in service, they wouldn't use something that unreliable to guard a carrier anymore. They'd be reserve ships.
very entertaining, hats off to you Cap!
War of 1812 part two
USS Whitehouse got burned down and neither side really won
@@anvil5356 And so HMS York!
This would be way worse in real life
You could almost create this commentary by grabbing the most excited snippets from other GR vids.
Also, I sense that Cap may be sliiiightly partisan 😂
...all of this over some tea?
Tea is important.
@@grimreapers and for some reason Soccer is as well.. who knew?
It wasn't so much the tea but the fact that they were taxing us for something we don't even particularly like unless it's cold and sweet
Thanks Cap, that was fun! See you in the next one.
pretty much the whole deployable british navy to take on 1 single carrier strike group and it still lost.
Welcome to UK....
Tbf u spend Almost 11 times the amount on ur military, so it makes sense it’s 11 times the size.
@@freddiejohames8332it's just funny sitting from an Americans position.
You gotta do another full human battle like this again. I remember when you did one before and it was great but an updated one with all the new technology and mods would be sick
In real life the US hits a command code and all the British F35B Jets shut down. Always have your own capability.
You underestimate how sneaky we Brits can be.
@@Belisarius1967 I am British.....there is classic British ingenuity, and then there is just being dumb.
You do a great job, don’t worry about our complaints too much.
You're also missing around 20+ fighters on the US carrier. A US carrier has over 90 aircraft onboard.
I have looked into this thoroughly and spoken to two US carrier operators and they all agree with 56 planes, the rest of the 90 are Helicopters/AEW/EW etc.
@@grimreapers then the queen liz should at maximum (not normal ops) have 36 F-35
@@viaticchart3139 But 56 is max planes. UK has max 40 planes, and 32 helis.
Cap, The majority of those 34 extra aircraft you don’t model would be EW aircraft, which are FA-18 growlers, and therefore still extremely capable in air to air/ anti ship roles. At most the carriers would have 3 AWACS for redundancy and 6 helicopters for anti-submarine warfare (remember every Arleigh Burke has its own anti submarine/CSAR helicopter on board) so that’s 25 extremely capable fighter aircraft your leaving off the table!
Yeah, but it also costs like double the cost of a Queen Elizabeth, so Britain should get 2.
Was a great battle, I'm glad we're both on the same side! Would love to see these strategies put together having US and UK vs China and Russia. The UK Spear 3 & 5 combo would go lovely with the US Tomahawk & Mako combo! For this one it was a shame the AI crapped out and used up all the precious Asters on the Tomahawks and that the F35's didn't fire the Meteors as well as the AI fires them from the Typhoons. I think that would've made it a much closer battle overall. Probably still a USA win, but closer for sure. Cap, please look after yourself.
USA & UK Vs Russia & China 2027?
Got to do China vs Russia first then will do that one.
Best one by far
Great commentary.
Absolutely amazing battle. Thanks for the video. Im sure if we were red, it would be the opposite. Yk. But oh well. At least we are allies irl.
Good game cap much respect to you for putting the aircraft carrier and fleet battles
Arleigh Burke Class Flight III has 96 VLS cells, Ticonderoga Class has 122 VLS cells. Both can take any mix of: RIM-66M surface-to-air missile, RIM-156 surface-to-air missile, RIM-174A standard ERAM, RIM-161 anti-ballistic missile, RIM-162 ESSM, BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile, and RUM-139 vertical launch ASROC.
I think his reasoning for keeping the ticos out is kinda dumb if you replace a single Burke with a tico the outcome of this video would be different simply because of the extra vls cells
@@Iamabot4708exactly and to be honest there's no guarantee those ticonderoga's are going to be taken out of service. The Navy has been trying to do that for the past 8 years but Congress keeps telling them know and keep funding their overhaul. So I personally think will still have the Ticonderoga until at least 2030 and at that point they will probably decommission them once we have enough of the new frigates
The ffg-62 is not replacing the ticonderogas. The ship that will replace the ticonderogas is the DDG(X). The DDG(X) will also replace the Arleigh Burke flt.Is and flt.IIs
Excellent commentary by Cap!
Your work ethic is nuts cap, hope your voice gets better
Question for everyone, would Peregrines be a better anti-stealth load-out than aim-260’s?
As an Australian, i would really like to sea the Hunter class (Australian type 26) and see how it compares in this type of scenario.
like our hunter class can potentially hold a similar weapons load but American/Norwegian;
a potential armament is: 76 missiles total
(+torps, i was surprised the City class isnt equiped with torpedo launchers on ship)
- 48 ESSM (using 12 MK-41)
- 12 SM-2/SM-6? (tbf we could also just pack it with another 48 ESSM's)
- 8 long range attack (tomahawk block? or even something similar to SPEAR5?)
- 8 deck launched canister launched NSM (we could fit another 8 if we wanted to aswell, though tbf that depends on the available top weight as our radar is already considerabley more heavy)
and i wonder what the Ceafar Radar (CEAMOUNT 2) panel array can do, compared to the ARTISAN 3d radar spinning array.
another fantastic video as always
According to the Wiki the Ford class carries 3 CWIS, 2 RIM 116 launchers (42 missiles), 2 ESSM launchers (16 Missiles) and 4 MK 38 25mm gun systems. Also by 2027 will any of the F-18 Anti ship be F-35?
Regarding the Type 26, The first one has been more than laid out, It's currently being fitted out, ie having its systems installed ect, The second will be floated out of the construction shipyard and over to the fitting out yard in August, Just a couple of months away from now, The third is beginning construction currently...
Ironwinkle - I think he got promoted to Commodore in 2028? Great one, Cap. Hope GR Baby and Mrs GR are doing well. A little Rewenge for sinking all our fleet, I suppose.
... and c'mon Cap. One of the first things they told us in boot camp was "If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'.".
A rollercoaster ride of emotions, vocal contortions and fortunes!
Cap, you and your enthusiasm make these videos my friend. Hope you get well soon!
Thanks for the video Cap! I've been wondering for so long as to why the USN wasn't focusing on ASM capability, and a big part of that is the Martime Strike Tomahawk. Even if it doesn't have the stealth or the speed of other new toys coming into service, it has the other mighty quality of quantity and range. If you watch during the video at the first Mako's hitting, what do you see in the center of the map? Another wave of MST's incoming. Then when you combine that with more Mako's, and most importantly, LRASM's with a likely real-world range between 500 and 750 NMs, it all comes together for the offensive side of USN capability.
Plus, I know Rapid Dragon is more of a USAF capability, but the most important aspect of that entire program is turning every C-130 aircraft from all of the services into a potential combat plane rather than merely a transport or ISR asset. Can you imagine being on the Chinese side and having to monitor all of the C-130 and C-17 (and other transports) that the US runs on a daily basis, especially all of that traffic during a war, and taking into consideration that there's a potential for any one of them to unleash strike missiles at your assets? It turns up the enemy workload and risk so high.
Love this comment. That's the only reason we lost is because the AI isn't that smart
@@Iamabot4708 Huh? I didn't comment on AI and I didn't say anything about losing. Which side even lost? Appears to be a draw to me. Both CSGs were destroyed.
I commented on DCS mods finally getting to the point of showing the USN's real world doctrine of increasing offensive firepower (Mako/MST/LRASM) to actually take out an enemy CSG rather than purely defend with Aegis and rely on the carrier air wing to perform all offensive duties.
well the reason it's an AI problem is it goes down to the core programming of this simulator. People keep forgetting this is a flight simulator not a naval simulator. So basically all the naval assets are just a bonus
US also have their own version of Spear 3 with SDB II (Stormbreaker). So like the Brits, they can first drain the enemy's SAM then follow it up with MAKO or LRASM or Tomahawk. Heck even AARGM-ER can also be used for anti-ship role as it can home in on their radars. Then their is still the upcoming SiAW and older Harpoon and NSM. And MALD decoys too. So lots of options.
He’s so happy when they destroy one ship of our fleet while his fleet is at the bottom of the sea, but he’d be pissing his pants and spilling his tea when our 10 other carriers showed up
It seems as though Britain and America have had the most effective offence so far, what with the American MST/Mako combo and the British Spear 3/Spear 5. Not what I expected, and a very big departure for the NSMs of the previous series.
The thing that surprised me is the effectiveness of the relatively cheap and low tech SPEAR 3 paired with F-35.
@@grimreapers You should use Spear 3 EW, it can jam and acts as decoys, the spears 3 would then get too close for them to all be shot down.
@@grimreapers Yeah, it's really effective at draining SAMs and clearing a path for the Spear 5s.
Is it only the newest versions of the Meteor and AMRAAM that have 120 mi (200 km) and 90 mi (150 km) ranges respectively?
Brilliant well done Cap
Excellent job. Sorry about your lost.