Excellent. I faced this exact scenario with my 2011 550i X-Drive. I had the secondary warranty and the customer care package like you and the car was awesome. Exactly as you say. I'd do this motor and car any day as long as I have these two warranties on it. But I never had any other issues with the car on the body, electrical, or interior. And I bought mine at 70k miles. AND - I found out mine had a small accident so I was definitely having a good experience. Looking forward to more of your stuff.
Why not just read the technical trainings that are posted for free and just fix it yourself rather than giving the stealership $15,000 for some bogus warranty and overpriced “repairs”? Unfortunately, keeping an engine such as the N63 happy isn’t as simple as bringing it to the dealership for “recommended” maintenance. If your car has 70k+ you should be changing all your fluids by now including trans, transfer case, both differentials if you have xdrive, as well as your oil. Oil should be done between 5-6k miles of you plan on keeping the car past 100k miles. All of the fluid changes are EXTREMELY easy. They were all easier to do on my m550i than on my Mustang GT. If you don’t like to get your hands dirty then at least read the manuals and forget BMW’s overpriced service plan or warranties. Find a local Euro shop and have them do the maintenance. They are just as qualified and take more pride in their work.
@@newfinishautospa Oh, for sure. I only paid $3k for a good warranty just FYI. Once business here is launched and profitable, maybe I'll get one and fix my own issues. I like the challenge. Keep filming. Excellent work.
They didn’t fix your oil consumption issue unless the entire PCV system was updated to the n63tu2 style which includes an extra fresh air breather line connecting the valve covers.
Enjoyed this vid; very informative...I have a ‘17 540i and ‘15 750i(love to drive) and no major problems at this time. Ill look up the Allstate warranty
You can go in to your BMW dealer and ask the Finance Department or Warranty Department to give you a quote. Btw: you have an N63TU in your 7-Series too. Not an unmitigated disaster but still warrants some wariness..... and love.
@@clevelandaeromotive I was talking to someone at Allstate about an extended warranty on my ‘15 550i, and they simply said that my car was too old to qualify for a warranty by them? Is that true?
@SDCleveland Very good video! I've been trying to figure out the smartest way to purchase one of these e70 X5 n63's to replace my aging '05 Cayenne Turbo. The valve guides scare me, anything else I can deal with. What are your thoughts on running catless downpipes and/or turbo blankets to combat engine bay heat? Have you heard any success stories of that reducing valve guide issues?
Only thing I’ve seen are people retrofitting water scavenging canisters in the tops of the oil system. Apparently some people have gotten a full cup of water out of their N63 (non-TU2 or 3) oil system every 1000 miles. Crazy!
I thought the oil burning had to do with the pcv valves. Have you had that issue? I have a 2013 but, It's the earlier one N63 (I don't believe it's the TU).
ha ha, I can imagine this is all true, I have N63 prior 2013, 80,000 KM. On 75K it was eating 1 litre of oil per 250KM (1 litre of burned oil each two handred km) I had to order lining of the cylinder block (basically what BMW should have done on its factory), also replacement of all valves, all the oil connections between engine and turbos, also, during this process in wish of "no return" to the engine work and "buy" some extra 3-4 years of relative piece we replaced head chains. It is passed 4 month after cylinder block was lining with iron cast, I drove 5,000 KM - no oil burned, also, I noticed that engine oil running a bit cooler ( - ~3 degrees C') But this is great engine power wise, it delivers constant torque with no lag, just press it and you immediately getting the torque, I am thinking about adding stage 1, I am sure engine would handle it easy, but not so sure about transmission...What do you say?
If it’s the ZF 8 speed automatic transmission it should be the same one used in the X6M. Even the earliest X6M’s produced 547 HP. Confirm with your dealership or independent mechanic, but I think you’re safe.
good video, ive read other owners problems and i gotta say, my troubles are nowhere like others...lol i myself havent had to many problems, a bad dme, but i gotta say, i have NEVER owned a car that is so sensitive to low voltage. I also had a bad CA door handle that caused me so many problems i wanted to shoot this car. It prevented the cat from going to sleep which caused low battery and that caused about 100 CELs. Everone, keep your battery on a trickle charge if its not a daily, and do not hesitate to replace and register if you start haveing low voltage probs.
That's strange for me my battery is the same battery when I bought my car used in 2017 and the last 2 years is been just sitting I start it every once in awhile cranks right over . As far as I know the battery is going on 6 years
Getting my turbos switched out as I type this. Had the engine and just about everything else under the hood replaced already. I'm just glad it's not my main car and that I bought a warranty with it. I do agree that there are serviceable bits that you, as the owner can handle and I certainly wouldn't go more than 3000 miles without an oil change, as I bought the power to use it and use it I do...!
Thanks for the link. Please correct me if I am wrong. The N63 TU Engine updates / redesign resolved most of the reliability problems of the original versions of the N63 Engine Design. The N63TU2 Engine is in the 2016 750Li xdrive. This Engine is also known as the N63B44O2. Is it fair to say that the N63TU2 is a pretty reliable Engine now. If not, could you please point to what might prevent someone from getting 70,000 Miles out of the car. One last question... is their a Lifter Problem in the N63TU2 Engine? I have a ticking sound at lower RPMs which reminded me of the old tappet noise. Thanks in advance!!
@@jimdurnin9554 True. As BMW has ever improved on the N63, I still honestly wouldn’t buy any N63 engine derivative but the N63TU3. (AKA: N63B44T3) At present (summer 2021) those can only be found in 2019 or newer X5’s and X7’s. This is the FIRST N63 where, in the service manual the words, “Material change: Resilience of valve stem seals increased to prevent hardening” was used. It was at THIS POINT, where BMW actually addressed the premature valve guide wear in its engineering.
I have a 2012 BMW Alpina B7 and it is starting to smoke. The car has a warranty from CarMax since that is where I bought the car from. Should I file this repair/issue through the CarMax warranty or through BMW North America? Love your channel btw. Super informative.
Took my new to me 2012 750i in for smoke issues and disappearing coolant, 63K miles. Didnt know about the N63 Customer Care Package or anything.. Came into dealership about 10 days later and they said the engine was dropped for valve seal recall and turbo coolant lines, for free. I was shocked. Key words apparently were 'white smoke' and ' i smell coolant but see no leaks and keep filling it up'. 10K in work done, no cost, on a ten yr. old machine. Now, im realizing i shouldve bought something else..
I have an N63 replaced through the Bang Class Action. I have about 40K miles on the new engine and would be lucky to add a quart of oil every 5K miles. Noticed the first fill was 0W30LL12 low SAPS and have been using this ever since and changing oil myself every 5K (not sure if the high SAPS LL01 negatively impacts the valve stem seals). Fingers crossed this one goes the distance.
@@jshifty9618 2013. Original N63. Because I got the engine replaced under the class action I have been taking care of it and have had no issues. Still using the diesel oil they use in Europe and it's been great at 60K miles. Maybe 1 quart every 5K miles. Also added a 90 deg-C thermostat to keep it cooler.
engine issues are really for the older models i’m hearing of. i’m looking for the 11 of that exact same car just don’t want to spend 15k and have to keep building when i can jus put that to a newer model
Thanks for the vid. I am in Europe and bought an n63 well knowing the issues and thought I will try and work on it myself for most small things(not valve stem seals). Now at 77,000kms and I have luckily not had major issues. The list is a starter, valve cover gaskets, vacuum pump gasket and turbo coolant lines (y plastic you mentioned). Thats it. I have a 2011 e70 50i and my oil consumption is around 1lt per 5000kms. Seems like Europe has way more reliability than you guys in the US. I am originally from South Africa and my reference was reliability through e36,e46 and e39
I have a 650ixdrive gan coupe. They are doing that oil test due to noticing that I had to put in a quart of around a month 1/2. They mentioned that also had a leak. I have 46000 miles. I also had a faint whinning noise once in awhile. Did you have the same experience?
I had everything but the whinning noise. When doing the valve guide job they said they found a small leak in my upper oil pan gasket, so they changed it.
I am considering buying a 2021 or 2022 M550i with a 4.4 liter twin turbo V8. I would like to know if you feel this engine has been improved enough for me to safely buy it and maintain it what are your thoughts or should I stay away from this engine?
The N63TU3 (3rd technical update) is available in the 2019 and newer X5’s and X7’s. The N63TU3 is the only one I could sleep at night without an warranty should you choose to own the car outside factory warranty.
@@SMTVGO no I went in a completely different direction the motor just brought too much apprehension. Was looking at a Corvette but had to wait too long to get one so I chose a 2022 Dodge Challenger instead I should get that car by mid March.
@@dwightraine9686you made the right decision as far as expensive repairs but they are totally different cars. Now the latest N63 is a 523hp beast. Remember BMW has had long difficult growing pains when they started going turbo charged... nothing but problems and the average schmo went out and paid for 2 warranties is absurd and the poor schmos that didn't get a warranty when used forgetaboutit!!! Remember those non turbo BMW engines? Those were the best in world it's a shame
i have a n62tu and been using liqui moly oil saver every oil change and it seems to be holding my stem seals together im at 157k miles, i also have made my n62tu run cooler 90c thermostat, i love my 2007 750i. i kind of want a n63 but am scared
I don't know you but I'll give you advice as if you were a family member and that advice is STAY AWAY!! The only time I would say go for it is if you buy a brand new one lease it and GET OUT!
am planning to get a 2014 550i msport have 37k miles on it , 4.4 V8. till now the oil service is done properly .nothing else in service history.. is it good to buy ?
it will have the N63 engine, which is known for bad valve seals a leaking turbo coolant lines. There is a BMW customer care package CCP that replaced my recall issues for free, less than a year ago. but, i dont trust the car... pretty tho.
actually, depending on if its a true Msport, looks like the 2014 550i M has the S63 engine. Advice, do research and get car looked at before purchasing 👍 Bought a 750i and it began smoking and throwing coolant/heat alarms within hours of purchase, no fun. I was clueless about the N63 engine issues or class action lawsuit. Be aware.
@@tjolofree1134 it’s too late I just purchased the car .. whiting days of purchase it throws me a engines light or p0171 code .. have to check …I have fall for the smoothness ..
Ok so I’m having this issue but was told by bmw , my car falls up under the class action but that it was to late to file a claim. Please can someone help me on what I need to do
Is your N63 equipped car more than 10 years old or have more than 120K miles on it? If yes, it’s too late. I’ve linked the N63 Class Action Settlement terms in the More Info section below the video.
Mine is a 2009 and it has had the CCP work done. The oil usage stopped for a while but nowbits back. It uses a quart anout every 700 to 800 miles. It's not smoking or leaking. Im totally confused about where the oil is being burned in tbe engine. I like the car, but this is annoying. I have a 2014 Range Rover Sport with the 510HP Supercharged V8 and it doesn't use any oil at all...none. My 750 is causing me stress. I don't know what to do short of getting rid of it.
@@mitchellcaldwell6315 Good grief dude! What are you, a prosecuting attorney? I didn't commit a damn crime, I bought a car. I've bought lots of cars in my life. None have had an issue like this. Lesson learned. I can afford the repairs or I wouldn't have bought the car. But my next 7 Series will have the Inline 6. My friend bought a RR Ghost with the BMW sourced V12. It uses oil also. I talked to the Rolls service advisor abd he said those engines are prone to use oil. It is what it is. If a person cannot afford tbe maintenance then they should drive Toyota Corolla's.
@Inside Dad’s Head I've gotten rid of it. My sister wanted it. I warned her not to buy it from me but she insisted. I sold it to her for $3500. She's adding oil about 600 miles. I now own a 2016 740i M Sport with the V6 twin turbo. No issues.
I wanted to get an X6 petrol engine but the top of the line with a good power to weight ratio came with the N63, so i settled for an X4 with the B58 engine as it is a more robust engine. Wished BMW really got on top of their N63 engine
even though my engine oil change have 4000miles to service but i saw the engine oil level is half way in the level, i suspect it drinking oil ,there is a warranty coverage for oil consumption with BMW, but i have to prove to the service center that it is consuming oil quickly so they can cover it under warranty , how did u collected the data of oil consumption and help me prove it ..
Proof 1. Take a photo of the add oil can icon along with the milage every time it comes up. Bring those photos to the dealer. After you add a quart of oil, drive a mile and take another photo of the add oil light off. Proof 2: You can also tell another dealer to do an OBD report of every milage at which the add oil icon can’t on. The On Board Diagnostic computer logs that.
Proof 3: Another way to prove it’s burning/consuming oil is drive it to the dealer. Put it in park. Let the warm engine idle. Call the service rep out. Make sure 5 minutes has gone by. This will allow the oil to enter the combustion chamber (which it shouldn’t be doing normally), only there’s not enough pressure or heat to burn it. Now, have the service rep stand behind the car. You go to the gas pedal and rev it once in park. If smoke comes out of the tail pipes, it’s now burning the oil that’s leaked into the combustion chambers. Proof that it’s consuming oil.
@@clevelandaeromotive thanks a ton for ur detailed and prompt explanation . I did went through the law suit and bmw have laid out the steps of how they will analyse the problem and come to a conclusion … proof 3 is the first step they will accept and proof 4 : once u reach service centre they will top up the oil and seal the oil cap and ask u to come after certain days and if the oil is less they will take it into consideration..
I have a 2009 750Li. I bought it on 11/24/18 w/ 57, 955mi. It has 81,779mi now. It burns oil like crazy. When the add oil light comes on I add 2qts. That only gets me a little over 900mi. I have added 11qts of oil in between oil changes over the span of 7500mi, but no smoke and nothing on the ground, not sure where all of the oil is going. I was thinking about putting some Ceratec oil additive to help reduce wear, thoughts. Have a blessed day.
Leaking turbo seals to the intake, clogged - bad pcv valve - clogged piston rings. Stop using the car, investigate the root cause of the oil consumption. Maybe the engine still can be saved. My engine problem sarted at 75k km, ignored the increased oil consumption. At 95k km both turbo failed and damaged the engine resulting an engine replacement. Do not wait for that.
I have a 2013 grand coupe and it has the tu engine and it’s using coolant can’t see leaks so I think you just answer that question but I don’t have extended warranty how much do you think it’s going to cost to repair?
If your oil is cloudy, you might as well throw the car away, because you have a cracked block. If you're expansion tank is cracked, it will probably be $1200. Just my opinion.
@@clevelandaeromotive thank you sir I need all the good info I can get .I’m thinking about getting a five extended warranty with a company call endurance what is your advice on that ?
It behooves me why BMW would continue to build & mass produce engines which shouldn't be used primarily as standard when problems & defects are apparent. Heat & rotation are very destructive to engines especially when turbos are added & when placed in the hottest part of an engine (duh) just to garner praise for innovation awards! Simple but effective is my motto just like Honda & Toyota's with their reliability. Sacrificing reliability for beautiful designs or sporting nature does little to earn respect & customer loyalty. High revving engines need extra cooling & better/stronger internals if you intend on having long-term success without compromise. I wanted to purchase a 640/650i but am now having second thoughts sadly,such a beautiful car with a timeless design but I'm not filthy rich either so I'll have to pass!😩😖💔
Although based on the N63, the S63 has slightly different heads and vastly different turbos. It's actually known to be a BETTER engine that the base N63. Crazy but true.
@@killertay1947 Each of them is a potential bomb. Even if a used engine has 40k km on it noting guarantee to run well for anoother 10-20k km. After that you will be in the same situation. Does it worth it including shipment and installation? Definitely no. If you like this engine than buy a car with B44TU2 or B44O2, N44M3, N44T3 engine variant.
UPDATE: Introduced in 2018/19, the latest version of the N63, the N63B44M3 finally has reinforced valve seals! Please see complete N63 timeline and evolution in the linked document here. bmwtuning.co/bmw-n63-vs-n63tu-vs-n63tu2-vs-n63tu3/
Where did you see any mention of valve guide in the link? It only mentions improved valve seals. BMW has been supplying cheap Buna seals for years, rather than more expensive, but also more temperature resistant, Viton seals. My S54 suffered from this problem. Apparently, BMW takes a long time to learn lessons, IMO reflecting the fact that BMW doesn't give a shit about its customers.
@@darylmorseGod dam it I agree with this statement 100% All these people sound like the people in that cult heavens gate.... buying any N63 is SUICIDE!! Don't buy any bmw with that engine. This is the best advice anyones gonna ever get on this subject. I absolutely love BMW I've had 15 in the last 32 years but that 2011 550xi is the worst
Have you seen the amount of water that catch cans filter out of the PVC line on the N63? I've seen this on two different N63's with catch cans. th-cam.com/video/YNkboo6wu4M/w-d-xo.html
Bought a 650i 2013 in 2 days of buying it I couldn’t even drive the car And the warranty I go doesn’t kick in till 1k miles so have to pay outta pocket , didn’t even drive the car a total of 5 hrs lol car didn’t even have 90k miles in extremely good condition , I have a c63 amg Benz that’s has 123k miles never had a problem with it so I regret buying a bmw answer is yes never will I ever again these engines are trash and bmw know this
This is a great video, but you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I'm sure the engine is great when you're driving it, but you can't call any engine with so many serious design issues a great engine, by any definition. It's inexcusable for so much expensive maintenance to be required to keep the N63 engine running.
I don't think so at all. It's a technical engine for technical drivers.If you handle maintenance on time and have an eye for details you will have a great time. If you aren't adept you will have a terrible time 😉
Glad I found your channel just subscribed 👍🏻
Excellent. I faced this exact scenario with my 2011 550i X-Drive. I had the secondary warranty and the customer care package like you and the car was awesome. Exactly as you say. I'd do this motor and car any day as long as I have these two warranties on it. But I never had any other issues with the car on the body, electrical, or interior. And I bought mine at 70k miles. AND - I found out mine had a small accident so I was definitely having a good experience. Looking forward to more of your stuff.
Why not just read the technical trainings that are posted for free and just fix it yourself rather than giving the stealership $15,000 for some bogus warranty and overpriced “repairs”? Unfortunately, keeping an engine such as the N63 happy isn’t as simple as bringing it to the dealership for “recommended” maintenance. If your car has 70k+ you should be changing all your fluids by now including trans, transfer case, both differentials if you have xdrive, as well as your oil. Oil should be done between 5-6k miles of you plan on keeping the car past 100k miles. All of the fluid changes are EXTREMELY easy. They were all easier to do on my m550i than on my Mustang GT. If you don’t like to get your hands dirty then at least read the manuals and forget BMW’s overpriced service plan or warranties. Find a local Euro shop and have them do the maintenance. They are just as qualified and take more pride in their work.
@@newfinishautospa Oh, for sure. I only paid $3k for a good warranty just FYI. Once business here is launched and profitable, maybe I'll get one and fix my own issues. I like the challenge. Keep filming. Excellent work.
They didn’t fix your oil consumption issue unless the entire PCV system was updated to the n63tu2 style which includes an extra fresh air breather line connecting the valve covers.
Correct. All they do is go in and replace the valve guide seals but, left unaltered the design leaves those new seals getting fried all over again.
Enjoyed this vid; very informative...I have a ‘17 540i and ‘15 750i(love to drive) and no major problems at this time. Ill look up the Allstate warranty
You can go in to your BMW dealer and ask the Finance Department or Warranty Department to give you a quote. Btw: you have an N63TU in your 7-Series too. Not an unmitigated disaster but still warrants some wariness..... and love.
@@clevelandaeromotive I was talking to someone at Allstate about an extended warranty on my ‘15 550i, and they simply said that my car was too old to qualify for a warranty by them? Is that true?
@@xellium5445 sheeesh it might be honestly. is the mileage high ?
@SDCleveland Very good video! I've been trying to figure out the smartest way to purchase one of these e70 X5 n63's to replace my aging '05 Cayenne Turbo. The valve guides scare me, anything else I can deal with. What are your thoughts on running catless downpipes and/or turbo blankets to combat engine bay heat? Have you heard any success stories of that reducing valve guide issues?
Only thing I’ve seen are people retrofitting water scavenging canisters in the tops of the oil system. Apparently some people have gotten a full cup of water out of their N63 (non-TU2 or 3) oil system every 1000 miles. Crazy!
I thought the oil burning had to do with the pcv valves. Have you had that issue? I have a 2013 but, It's the earlier one N63 (I don't believe it's the TU).
ha ha, I can imagine this is all true,
I have N63 prior 2013, 80,000 KM. On 75K it was eating 1 litre of oil per 250KM (1 litre of burned oil each two handred km)
I had to order lining of the cylinder block (basically what BMW should have done on its factory), also replacement of all valves, all the oil connections between engine and turbos, also, during this process in wish of "no return" to the engine work and "buy" some extra 3-4 years of relative piece we replaced head chains.
It is passed 4 month after cylinder block was lining with iron cast, I drove 5,000 KM - no oil burned, also, I noticed that engine oil running a bit cooler ( - ~3 degrees C')
But this is great engine power wise, it delivers constant torque with no lag, just press it and you immediately getting the torque,
I am thinking about adding stage 1, I am sure engine would handle it easy, but not so sure about transmission...What do you say?
If it’s the ZF 8 speed automatic transmission it should be the same one used in the X6M. Even the earliest X6M’s produced 547 HP. Confirm with your dealership or independent mechanic, but I think you’re safe.
good video, ive read other owners problems and i gotta say, my troubles are nowhere like others...lol i myself havent had to many problems, a bad dme, but i gotta say, i have NEVER owned a car that is so sensitive to low voltage. I also had a bad CA door handle that caused me so many problems i wanted to shoot this car. It prevented the cat from going to sleep which caused low battery and that caused about 100 CELs. Everone, keep your battery on a trickle charge if its not a daily, and do not hesitate to replace and register if you start haveing low voltage probs.
That's strange for me my battery is the same battery when I bought my car used in 2017 and the last 2 years is been just sitting I start it every once in awhile cranks right over . As far as I know the battery is going on 6 years
Getting my turbos switched out as I type this. Had the engine and just about everything else under the hood replaced already. I'm just glad it's not my main car and that I bought a warranty with it. I do agree that there are serviceable bits that you, as the owner can handle and I certainly wouldn't go more than 3000 miles without an oil change, as I bought the power to use it and use it I do...!
What was the symptom that resulted in getting the turbos replaced?
@@Sam-is2bk low boost and they were "outgassing" exhaust into the engine compartment. Instead of repairing them they replaced them.
@@FiveBoroNative Interesting. I think I'm having the same issue. Was hoping it wouldn't require new turbos.
Appreciate the reply.
Im almost certain the 6 as well as 7 series got the TU version the entire 2013 model not just late production.
How reliable has the engine been post the customer care service?
Great Job! Do you have any comments on the N63 Engines put in the 2016 Model 750Li xdrive. They redesigned the car. Not sure about the Engine?
Thanks for the link. Please correct me if I am wrong. The N63 TU Engine updates / redesign resolved most of the reliability problems of the original versions of the N63 Engine Design. The N63TU2 Engine is in the 2016 750Li xdrive. This Engine is also known as the N63B44O2. Is it fair to say that the N63TU2 is a pretty reliable Engine now. If not, could you please point to what might prevent someone from getting 70,000 Miles out of the car. One last question... is their a Lifter Problem in the N63TU2 Engine? I have a ticking sound at lower RPMs which reminded me of the old tappet noise. Thanks in advance!!
@@jimdurnin9554 True. As BMW has ever improved on the N63, I still honestly wouldn’t buy any N63 engine derivative but the N63TU3. (AKA: N63B44T3) At present (summer 2021) those can only be found in 2019 or newer X5’s and X7’s. This is the FIRST N63 where, in the service manual the words, “Material change: Resilience of valve stem seals increased to prevent hardening” was used. It was at THIS POINT, where BMW actually addressed the premature valve guide wear in its engineering.
I have a 2012 BMW Alpina B7 and it is starting to smoke. The car has a warranty from CarMax since that is where I bought the car from. Should I file this repair/issue through the CarMax warranty or through BMW North America? Love your channel btw. Super informative.
What is the mileage on your vehicle? You can get it sorted out at a trusted BMW mechanic for around $4,000 USD.
Took my new to me 2012 750i in for smoke issues and disappearing coolant, 63K miles. Didnt know about the N63 Customer Care Package or anything.. Came into dealership about 10 days later and they said the engine was dropped for valve seal recall and turbo coolant lines, for free. I was shocked. Key words apparently were 'white smoke' and ' i smell coolant but see no leaks and keep filling it up'. 10K in work done, no cost, on a ten yr. old machine. Now, im realizing i shouldve bought something else..
Maxcare bought me a brand new engine for my 2011 550i. New engine came with 2 yr unlimited mile warranty.
Mine had 180,000 km and still going strong . A 750i 2010 . But it does burn oil which is a BMW thing no doubt :
I have an N63 replaced through the Bang Class Action. I have about 40K miles on the new engine and would be lucky to add a quart of oil every 5K miles. Noticed the first fill was 0W30LL12 low SAPS and have been using this ever since and changing oil myself every 5K (not sure if the high SAPS LL01 negatively impacts the valve stem seals). Fingers crossed this one goes the distance.
hey what year do you have ? kindof want a 550 but i see a lot of videos saying otherwise
0W30 is for low consumption. Use 5W40 LL01 Shell Helix Ultra for better Protection
Oil consumtion will also be lower
Oil change every 3000 miles. Don't care what make it is. Always keep fresh blood in your vehicle's.
@@jshifty9618 2013. Original N63. Because I got the engine replaced under the class action I have been taking care of it and have had no issues. Still using the diesel oil they use in Europe and it's been great at 60K miles. Maybe 1 quart every 5K miles. Also added a 90 deg-C thermostat to keep it cooler.
@@chrisgilbert5484 I appreciate that, i’ll be doing the same
I have a 2016
Do you think I still have factory warranty for any valve guide issues?
Would a turbo sleeve and a vented hood help with the overheating? I'm looking at getting a 2018 m550i next year but I'm afraid of engine issues.
engine issues are really for the older models i’m hearing of. i’m looking for the 11 of that exact same car just don’t want to spend 15k and have to keep building when i can jus put that to a newer model
stay far away
Why leave the beauty cover on? Seems like heat is the killer here; why add insulation?
N63-TU flawless for us.
You omitted important detail, time to perform the necessary maintenance repairs.
Is 2022 bmw 550i n63 is reliable or no
Thanks for the vid. I am in Europe and bought an n63 well knowing the issues and thought I will try and work on it myself for most small things(not valve stem seals). Now at 77,000kms and I have luckily not had major issues. The list is a starter, valve cover gaskets, vacuum pump gasket and turbo coolant lines (y plastic you mentioned). Thats it. I have a 2011 e70 50i and my oil consumption is around 1lt per 5000kms. Seems like Europe has way more reliability than you guys in the US. I am originally from South Africa and my reference was reliability through e36,e46 and e39
only 47,000 miles for a 2011?! that’s great. should o get the 11 also but it has 116,000 miles on it
I have a 650ixdrive gan coupe. They are doing that oil test due to noticing that I had to put in a quart of around a month 1/2. They mentioned that also had a leak. I have 46000 miles. I also had a faint whinning noise once in awhile. Did you have the same experience?
I had everything but the whinning noise. When doing the valve guide job they said they found a small leak in my upper oil pan gasket, so they changed it.
What year is your 650xi
2015
I am considering buying a 2021 or 2022 M550i with a 4.4 liter twin turbo V8. I would like to know if you feel this engine has been improved enough for me to safely buy it and maintain it what are your thoughts or should I stay away from this engine?
The N63TU3 (3rd technical update) is available in the 2019 and newer X5’s and X7’s. The N63TU3 is the only one I could sleep at night without an warranty should you choose to own the car outside factory warranty.
Did you buy the m550i?
@@SMTVGO no I went in a completely different direction the motor just brought too much apprehension. Was looking at a Corvette but had to wait too long to get one so I chose a 2022 Dodge Challenger instead I should get that car by mid March.
@@dwightraine9686you made the right decision as far as expensive repairs but they are totally different cars. Now the latest N63 is a 523hp beast. Remember BMW has had long difficult growing pains when they started going turbo charged... nothing but problems and the average schmo went out and paid for 2 warranties is absurd and the poor schmos that didn't get a warranty when used forgetaboutit!!! Remember those non turbo BMW engines? Those were the best in world it's a shame
Would you recommend a 2014 BMW 550i? It technically has the n64tu but this is some scary stuff.
2014 550 x drive owner here.
Yes absolutely provided you will do maintenance on schedule. Beautiful and fast engine.
Ahh... wait a minute just remember the saying..misery loves company.... DON'T BUY IT!!
@@geemanbmw I bought a Mercedes E550 ;)
i have a n62tu and been using liqui moly oil saver every oil change and it seems to be holding my stem seals together im at 157k miles, i also have made my n62tu run cooler 90c thermostat, i love my 2007 750i. i kind of want a n63 but am scared
I don't know you but I'll give you advice as if you were a family member and that advice is STAY AWAY!! The only time I would say go for it is if you buy a brand new one lease it and GET OUT!
@@geemanbmw I'm at 175 with my 750i now, the N62 has burned like hardly any oil now. I'm definitely staying away from N63 tho
I'm dealing with same issues
How do I find out if my 2011 550xi has had the customer care package done to it? I have never taken it to the stealership and I have 109k miles on it
bump. im also curious.
Good move the v8 is. A handfull next time go straight 6😊
Well. I went with another V8 twin turbo. This one is however the highly reliance Mercedes M278.
am planning to get a 2014 550i msport have 37k miles on it , 4.4 V8. till now the oil service is done properly .nothing else in service history.. is it good to buy ?
it will have the N63 engine, which is known for bad valve seals a leaking turbo coolant lines. There is a BMW customer care package CCP that replaced my recall issues for free, less than a year ago. but, i dont trust the car... pretty tho.
actually, depending on if its a true Msport, looks like the 2014 550i M has the S63 engine. Advice, do research and get car looked at before purchasing 👍 Bought a 750i and it began smoking and throwing coolant/heat alarms within hours of purchase, no fun. I was clueless about the N63 engine issues or class action lawsuit. Be aware.
@@tjolofree1134 it’s too late I just purchased the car .. whiting days of purchase it throws me a engines light or p0171 code .. have to check …I have fall for the smoothness ..
@@tjolofree1134 i bought it and i got my engine check light , found out that is coming under 10 yrs BMW warranty so fixed it .
Ok so I’m having this issue but was told by bmw , my car falls up under the class action but that it was to late to file a claim. Please can someone help me on what I need to do
Is your N63 equipped car more than 10 years old or have more than 120K miles on it? If yes, it’s too late. I’ve linked the N63 Class Action Settlement terms in the More Info section below the video.
Mine is a 2009 and it has had the CCP work done. The oil usage stopped for a while but nowbits back. It uses a quart anout every 700 to 800 miles. It's not smoking or leaking. Im totally confused about where the oil is being burned in tbe engine. I like the car, but this is annoying. I have a 2014 Range Rover Sport with the 510HP Supercharged V8 and it doesn't use any oil at all...none. My 750 is causing me stress. I don't know what to do short of getting rid of it.
Problem is you bought a fundamentally flawed car that is known for burning oil in several ways. Did you do any research?
@@mitchellcaldwell6315 Good grief dude! What are you, a prosecuting attorney? I didn't commit a damn crime, I bought a car. I've bought lots of cars in my life. None have had an issue like this. Lesson learned. I can afford the repairs or I wouldn't have bought the car. But my next 7 Series will have the Inline 6.
My friend bought a RR Ghost with the BMW sourced V12. It uses oil also. I talked to the Rolls service advisor abd he said those engines are prone to use oil. It is what it is. If a person cannot afford tbe maintenance then they should drive Toyota Corolla's.
My recommendation is to keep a spare quart in the trunk. Relax, enjoy the car and add the oil when necessary. Just don’t let it stress you.
@Inside Dad’s Head I've gotten rid of it. My sister wanted it. I warned her not to buy it from me but she insisted. I sold it to her for $3500. She's adding oil about 600 miles. I now own a 2016 740i M Sport with the V6 twin turbo. No issues.
I wanted to get an X6 petrol engine but the top of the line with a good power to weight ratio came with the N63, so i settled for an X4 with the B58 engine as it is a more robust engine. Wished BMW really got on top of their N63 engine
Agreed
Am I still covered under the ccp lawsuit? I have a 2010 550i GT N63 with 61k miles
Me too did you ever find out if yours is covered
i was, less than a yr ago. dealer dropped engine and reportedly changed valve seals and turbo coolant hoses. - 2012 750i
So what's the best warranty to purchase ??
I’m happy with AllState. You can walk in to your local BMW dealer and ask for one.
even though my engine oil change have 4000miles to service but i saw the engine oil level is half way in the level, i suspect it drinking oil ,there is a warranty coverage for oil consumption with BMW, but i have to prove to the service center that it is consuming oil quickly so they can cover it under warranty , how did u collected the data of oil consumption and help me prove it ..
Proof 1. Take a photo of the add oil can icon along with the milage every time it comes up. Bring those photos to the dealer. After you add a quart of oil, drive a mile and take another photo of the add oil light off.
Proof 2: You can also tell another dealer to do an OBD report of every milage at which the add oil icon can’t on. The On Board Diagnostic computer logs that.
Proof 3: Another way to prove it’s burning/consuming oil is drive it to the dealer. Put it in park. Let the warm engine idle. Call the service rep out. Make sure 5 minutes has gone by. This will allow the oil to enter the combustion chamber (which it shouldn’t be doing normally), only there’s not enough pressure or heat to burn it. Now, have the service rep stand behind the car. You go to the gas pedal and rev it once in park. If smoke comes out of the tail pipes, it’s now burning the oil that’s leaked into the combustion chambers. Proof that it’s consuming oil.
@@clevelandaeromotive thanks a ton for ur detailed and prompt explanation . I did went through the law suit and bmw have laid out the steps of how they will analyse the problem and come to a conclusion … proof 3 is the first step they will accept and
proof 4 : once u reach service centre they will top up the oil and seal the oil cap and ask u to come after certain days and if the oil is less they will take it into consideration..
I have a 2009 750Li. I bought it on 11/24/18 w/ 57, 955mi. It has 81,779mi now. It burns oil like crazy. When the add oil light comes on I add 2qts. That only gets me a little over 900mi. I have added 11qts of oil in between oil changes over the span of 7500mi, but no smoke and nothing on the ground, not sure where all of the oil is going. I was thinking about putting some Ceratec oil additive to help reduce wear, thoughts. Have a blessed day.
it's a normal amount of oil usage for many engines, just more than you may expect
Leaking turbo seals to the intake, clogged - bad pcv valve - clogged piston rings. Stop using the car, investigate the root cause of the oil consumption. Maybe the engine still can be saved. My engine problem sarted at 75k km, ignored the increased oil consumption. At 95k km both turbo failed and damaged the engine resulting an engine replacement. Do not wait for that.
"Not a bad engine" poor Allstate
I have a 2013 grand coupe and it has the tu engine and it’s using coolant can’t see leaks so I think you just answer that question but I don’t have extended warranty how much do you think it’s going to cost to repair?
If your oil is cloudy, you might as well throw the car away, because you have a cracked block. If you're expansion tank is cracked, it will probably be $1200. Just my opinion.
@@clevelandaeromotive well I just got the oil changed at bmw and they did not say there was anything wrong with the oil
@@melrosabal3564 Looks like the $1,200 job. You can get a good indi mech to do it for $800 though.
@@clevelandaeromotive thank you sir I need all the good info I can get .I’m thinking about getting a five extended warranty with a company call endurance what is your advice on that ?
Five years
Get an extended warranty… 5-years, one maintenance job pays for the warranty.
It behooves me why BMW would continue to build & mass produce engines which shouldn't be used primarily as standard when problems & defects are apparent. Heat & rotation are very destructive to engines especially when turbos are added & when placed in the hottest part of an engine (duh) just to garner praise for innovation awards! Simple but effective is my motto just like Honda & Toyota's with their reliability. Sacrificing reliability for beautiful designs or sporting nature does little to earn respect & customer loyalty. High revving engines need extra cooling & better/stronger internals if you intend on having long-term success without compromise. I wanted to purchase a 640/650i but am now having second thoughts sadly,such a beautiful car with a timeless design but I'm not filthy rich either so I'll have to pass!😩😖💔
Don't buy one. BMW's are for prestige. Not reliability or longevity. Period.
M models use S63 engine. It is different and doesn't have those issues....
Although based on the N63, the S63 has slightly different heads and vastly different turbos. It's actually known to be a BETTER engine that the base N63. Crazy but true.
@@clevelandaeromotive I have one... they still suck, considering lighting it on fire - 2012 X5 M
👍👍👍👍
I’m trying to figure out why you just didn’t buy a new engine for around 4K
That’s part number 11002346943. It costs $25,000 to $27,000 new, and that price does not include installation. That’s why.
@@clevelandaeromotive Well not brand new newly use off eBay they running around 4K for an engine less than 100,000 miles
@@killertay1947 Each of them is a potential bomb. Even if a used engine has 40k km on it noting guarantee to run well for anoother 10-20k km. After that you will be in the same situation. Does it worth it including shipment and installation? Definitely no. If you like this engine than buy a car with B44TU2 or B44O2, N44M3, N44T3 engine variant.
@@clevelandaeromotive hmm, really strange, I was able to see bmw reman long blocks for 3k (with core charge of course) from the dealer.
UPDATE: Introduced in 2018/19, the latest version of the N63, the N63B44M3 finally has reinforced valve seals! Please see complete N63 timeline and evolution in the linked document here.
bmwtuning.co/bmw-n63-vs-n63tu-vs-n63tu2-vs-n63tu3/
Where did you see any mention of valve guide in the link? It only mentions improved valve seals. BMW has been supplying cheap Buna seals for years, rather than more expensive, but also more temperature resistant, Viton seals. My S54 suffered from this problem. Apparently, BMW takes a long time to learn lessons, IMO reflecting the fact that BMW doesn't give a shit about its customers.
@Daryl Morse valve seals are BMW speak for valve “guides”. Ask your service department manager to explain.
@@clevelandaeromotive Valve guides and valve seals are NOT the same thing. This is common knowledge.
@@darylmorse that, may be common knowledge for a mechanic. Thanks for the vernacular check. Changed that in my pinned comment.
@@darylmorseGod dam it I agree with this statement 100% All these people sound like the people in that cult heavens gate.... buying any N63 is SUICIDE!! Don't buy any bmw with that engine. This is the best advice anyones gonna ever get on this subject. I absolutely love BMW I've had 15 in the last 32 years but that 2011 550xi is the worst
Have you seen the amount of water that catch cans filter out of the PVC line on the N63? I've seen this on two different N63's with catch cans.
th-cam.com/video/YNkboo6wu4M/w-d-xo.html
Phenomenal video! Damn, that’s a LOT of moisture. I live in South Florida, so we got moisture!!
Yea the S63tu is a much better engine
Bought a 650i 2013 in 2 days of buying it I couldn’t even drive the car And the warranty I go doesn’t kick in till 1k miles so have to pay outta pocket , didn’t even drive the car a total of 5 hrs lol car didn’t even have 90k miles in extremely good condition , I have a c63 amg Benz that’s has 123k miles never had a problem with it so I regret buying a bmw answer is yes never will I ever again these engines are trash and bmw know this
If you not self a mekanikal and can fix car by yurs self, then never buy bmw, ever
Never buy an 8 cylinder BMW with more than 50,000 miles on the odometer. Go with the 6 cylinder engine.
Not unless you get a newer 2014+ N63.
Hey
This is a great video, but you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I'm sure the engine is great when you're driving it, but you can't call any engine with so many serious design issues a great engine, by any definition. It's inexcusable for so much expensive maintenance to be required to keep the N63 engine running.
I don't think so at all. It's a technical engine for technical drivers.If you handle maintenance on time and have an eye for details you will have a great time. If you aren't adept you will have a terrible time 😉
@@Linuxhax Says someone who has never looked under the engine cover of an N63...
@@darylmorse Lmao!!! That was funny 🤣
10:59. U r a COMPLETE F00L for even BUYING one of these pieces of junk!!!!!!!!!!
....”Butt-hurt”. XD
@@clevelandaeromotive no I just don’t think bmw should be rewarded!!!!!!