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the reaction to this trial has been really disturbing. the jokes, the brands inserting themselves in the narrative, the gotcha moment-ification of anything against heard, the fan meetings at the court, the lengths they go to to defend a man they don’t even personally know… it’ll be interesting to see how people reassess their behavior about this in a few months.
Yes and don’t forget the merch made by YT lawyers mocking AH or siding with JD.
@@yarielisa Seriously? That's just sickening
@@yarielisa but there is evidence against her, why are people supporting her?
@@melancholiccatharsis9914 evidence? Perhaps you can name it? And your sources?
@@vickytaa1 you clearly haven't followed the case. there's audio recording of her literally hitting Johnny Depp. Funny thing is the majority of the people supporting amber heard are women. You'd think they'd support the victim.
At the time Metoo was happening I met up with a good friend of mine. He’s huge, mind you and we were chilling outside. When it got dark he mentioned how theoretically I could claim anything now and no one would be there to see what happened. I looked him dead in the eye and was like, exactly. So guess what I could be nervous about if I didn’t trust you.
The fact that he brought up I could fucking frame him for no reason other than to hurt him was so insane to me, like you wouldn’t accuse your friend of planning to steal your stuff or do some other spiteful thing out of nowhere.
Men are completely paranoid because of these stories. When you come forward about something like that as a woman there’s still a high chance your own life will be destroyed so it’s super illogical to fear women being some kind of social suicide bombers out to destroy your life
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Way too scalding hot take:
'grey area rape' is way too common, and many men are way too pushy in the ways they approach women, or try to encourage them to sleep with them, in or out of relationships. For these men, a lot of their sexual experiences wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been a bit too pushy with a woman at some point or another - and they realise that, even if they don't consider it wrong in any way - ('well, women always say no so they don't seem like prudes, but they mean yes, so just keep on pushing until she gives in, she secretly wants it') So the only solution is to say that women are out to accuse literally anybody for no reason - otherwise, they'd have to own up to the fact that their own sexual behaviour towards women has been somewhat nonconsensual, or at the least 'in the grey'.
YEP.
It’s pretty telling that they believe their fear of being accused is the same as the fear of being assaulted… both can ruin your life, but only one violates your body.
Sometimes if you frame it as a big muscular man trying to attack them sexually, they get a glimpse of the point.
i feel like there’s some merit there, but it’s mostly drawn between the lines of race. white women and black men have a weird history when it comes to who to trust, and what’s punishment, especially in the American South, where I live. but for the most part, it is still paranoia from men, whether it’s warranted or not. (mostly not.)
I’m sure someone’s pointed it out but I’m on a comment section diet right now. Ambers team DID fight not to have this televised, it was Depp (/the prosecution) that petitioned to have it televised. This case aside, America very much needs public record of court proceedings to keep judges honest. Think of that poor man with cancer being shamed by a judge for not cutting his lawn. We only knew about that because it was over zoom. So much fuckery goes on behind closed courtroom doors, unfortunately.
Ok back to listening 🥰
This!!!! So many people are quick to jump and say Heard has been attention-seeking and she wanted a public fight but Depp is the one continuously publicly bringing the case back into court
Yeah, it's truly tragic and a double-edged sword - I do think in most cases the law should be a matter of public interest, but Amber and her team fought hard to keep this private because she did not want the world knowing about the graphic instances of r*pe and SA. In the UK trial they were sealed and kept confidential as they have stricter laws and rules around victim protection. Hopefully the gross reaction to this case pushes the US to rethink the way victims have to relive their trauma, especially when being forced back into court against their will.
@@cherry3463 was an obvious move from Depp, abusers love to put their victims in embarassing situations, is insane that people who says that women Will only lie about it know perfectly how hard it is to women yo Even Say they were abused, cuz are people like them who Will blame them and Make it harder
I didn't know about this! It makes sense because Depp could clean his image this way, even without winning.
It is crazy that it is legal to stream a trial. All this should be private information.
This isn't true. The court/judge brought forth their/her own motion and decided it should be televised because the town and court would not be able to withstand the amount of people trying to watch it live. There are records to prove this. Johnny Depp's legal team merely AGREED to the motion set forth by the court - Amber Heard did not agree. Depp's team did not petition for it. You are spreading misinformation.
Either way this case goes, the coverage and response to it has been harmful to survivors of domestic violence. It emboldens the narrative that women are vindictive. It dissuades victims from coming forward; you must lose everything first - your career, your reputation etc. - and even then, you might not be believed. Both people are clearly suffering, and it’s clear this trial, along with the initial relationship, will do irreparable damage in their lives. it seems to me that it promotes the equally reductive dueling stances of victim-blaming and no second chances. I think people are having such a visceral reaction to this case because it can confirm whatever they already think about this issue. For me, there’s not a clear path here - there’s evidence Herd hit depp and mocked him, and there’s evidence that depp was emotionally abusive by way of intimidation and name-calling. Whatever your thoughts are about the culture of intimate partner violence, you can find your evidence for it in this case. That’s not to say both are abusive, it’s to point out that we’re often looking for proof of our internally held beliefs.
Finally, an opinion on this trial i can stand with. I agree with the reductive stances you mention also, very accurate !. I also like the idea of wisdom of the crowd - I don't believe this matter should be decided by a judge. However, it doesnt account for a sexist, biased crowd... in that sense, it more reflects the morality of the culture rather than truth & grace. If the crowd is just and compassionate, you will not see reductive stances. But in an unjust & cruel world you will not find a just and compassionate crowd. So... its a bit like what came first, compassion or the compassionate?! ;D
PS its been awful reading all the sexist comments against Amber, very sad. I rarely see ones against Depp. Maybe thats just my own bias though.
PPS I like how Amber said in one of her cross examinations "I've never called myself a victim". It was quite powerful & firm.
No. No. No. This is not a case of well he did that she did that, equally to blame. Clearly there is a party in the right/wrong in this and the trial is bringing that to the forefront. Televising trials is something to debate on. But the unquestioned support of the woman just because she is a woman just reveals the pretense of fairness. Especially if wrong and thinking of what the actor lost.
@@sadiemakesmesmile I agree that there’s been a deluge of misogyny coming down on her. She’s deserving of many criticisms - she’s been caught in many lies, she’s on tape saying some pretty horrendous things - but none of that has to do with the fact she’s a woman. I don’t know if I can confidently say there is a primary abuser and another person is the victim lashing out/learning abuse. I’m glad that I’m not on the jury. As for the jury of public opinion, it’s gotten to be pretty loaded at this point with Fox News supporting Depp, the incels comings for heard, and the Atlantic and NYT asking why we’re ‘still’ not believing women… Americans have found their places and the dance begins… without anyone taking the time to read about IPV and understanding the issue of power dynamics.
Sorry to say that but you got it wrong.
1/ Amber didn't lose anything when she made her DV claims. It was the complete opposite, she was even promoted as the spokesperson for violence on women, being invited to conferences as a motivational speaker. She was living pretty well during these years in between her claims and this trial, getting settlement money she was going to donate to charities but never did, immediately moving on dating a new super rich boyfriend, having a boost in her career landing some important roles.
2/ Apart from some sick tiktok videos and reddit posts (both of which I don't use), most comments under trial videos are recognizing the harm SHE is causing real DV victims. After looking over every piece of evidence out there and her awful performance at the stand, there is no doubt in most people's mind that she was the abuser and he was the victim on so many levels. We can always try to find ways Johnny was abusing her, but in reality, during the span of their marriage, you could witness the light in Johnny's eyes slowly fading while hers were glowing even more.
3/ The analysis is missing something really important, because not recognizing men's struggles is harmful for both genders and alienates even more whatever discussion we could have between us. Alice went on talking about how this trial is taking two step back women acquired voices with the MeToo movement, bringing the victim status back on women. This type of discourse is exactly the reason why we have armies of incels and oppressed men trying to defend themselves and instead accusing women of misandry.
From the comments this video got, it seems that its message wants to erase the individual that went to suffer for years, just because he is of the wrong gender. It is unconceivable for some that people are rooting for a white man for other reasons than political. From what I can see, those who defended Amber Heard cannot face their mistakes and they are diverting the discourse. This attitude is just making things worse in our society, same can be said about the MeToo movement that was supposed to open up discussions. All it did was to open it on one side and close it on the other side.
We need to start real conversations, allow everyone to talk and express their feelings and ideas of what could make a better world. We, as women, don't have all the answers because we are not of any other gender.
I also think it's problematic that with a televised trial the people watching are suddenly experts in the field of law and think they can judge the accused themselves, even though they are still innocent until proven guilty.
True!
But at the same time with the system of juries we have non experts people judging other people too. So even though the people that have been called to watch the entire trial and give a verdict at the end must feel the pressure and importance of what they are doing, they are still non-experts in this kind of domains and are like each and every one of us (most of the time because experts can be called to be jury in a trial too).
I find the quantity of comments on the lines of "if Depp loses, I will lose my faith in the justice system" really disturbing. It reminds me of "If Trump loses, the elections are rigged", and we all know how that ended up.
@@danvoman074 It will be different because Depp is nothing like Trump, so he won't ask people to go storm a tribunal or anything like that.
Also we should remember that the situation is different, because in the elections the entirety of the country is voting, and it's based on who has the most vote from the Electoral College or something (instead of how many votes in total, yikes), whereas in a trial there is a few people that have to decide whether or not there has been diffamation or not. From one side, this is just big numbers deciding the outcome, from the other side this is a few people deciding of the outcome while discussing it together.
The jury is made of regular people, just like you and me, they are not lawyers or involved in the law field. So it's not unreasonable that people think they can judge what happened after watching the trial without being a law expert. That's literally what the jury is doing.
I think the myth of the perfect victim is also at play here, I think it's part of the desire to pick a side and vilify the other.
also everyone seems to have forgotten that abusers will use any tool they can to maintain power, and that includes the legal system. apparently gabby petitto's boyfriend nearly got her arrested for dv before he murdered her
*the myth of the perfect FEMALE victim.
Johnny Depp is demanding 50 million from a person who is worth of 7 million, he smirks and jokes during court processing and people say how cool he looks and that he really is the victim.
It’s also a myth that abuse frequently goes two ways. That’s been used to justify abuse for a long time, most recently by you.
He did. Gabby's boyfriend had her nearly cuffed by the police and was accusing her of being mentally ill/blaming mental illness.
She's fqin guilty
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@@chaitanya8126 He’s on tape holding a knife in front of her saying “What if I cut you?”, there’s 4 witnesses to him being violent towards Amber, a makeup artist testified she helped her cover up bruises on her face, there’s texts from Johnny’s staff saying he kicked Amber, there’s texts from Johnny saying he is going to “smack around” a woman, he has an arrest record for violence going back decades, Ellen Barkin says he threw a bottle at her, a disabled woman says he watched while his staff assaulted her, he dated Winona Ryder when she was 17, he defended child rapist Roman Polanski and he’s on tape saying he head butted her (he initially denied head butting her then when the tape was produced said it was accidental). Does that point to an innocent man?
As an American, there’s too much to even say about this that would be worth any reading, so I just want to leave this comment telling Alice that she did a good job and the video made me think.
I second this motion
I have been hitting the "not interested in this content" for every video related to the trail. I work in social services and i refused to watch or read anything about this mess because I knew that this opportunity to increase domestic violence awareness in the US would be completely missed and that above all else, the women, regardless of which of them was the one that held the majority of the power in the dynamic, would be blamed. Like people watching this circus really want the next pirates movie and burying this women is how they think they might get it.
My thoughts exactly. Though I'm not sure it has much to do with the Pirates movies. I think society will always jump at the opportunity to put a woman in her place. Misogynists have been absolutely parched for a situation they can point to that validates their fears of false accusations. The whole thing is just gross as hell and I hold amber somewhat responsible for it as well, tbh.
@@caseyw.6550, Amber Heard is responsible for it, just as much as every western feminist as they'd otherwise have cleaned their act/sh*t and moved onto Equilatarism.
EDIT: "egalitarianism"
Example:
The domestic violence stats are skewed in a number of ways: from how the DV workers misrepresent the data to how the data never gets to them in the first place.
My childhood friend was being slapped around by his gf and, trying to defend himself from her repeated abuse, accidentally hurt the gf's lip with her own flailing arms. Who did the police arrest and file a restraining order against? The guy, obviously.
Women being instigators in large numbers of cases was noted by the very first woman to built shelters for women, Erin Pizzey.
A quote from Wikipedia and Erin:
"In her book Prone to Violence, Pizzey expressed concern that so little attention was paid to the causes of interpersonal and family violence, stating, "to my amazement, nobody seemed to genuinely want to find out why violent people treat each other the way they do". "
For pointing that fact, as a result from the data she obtained operating the women shelters, she was threatened by the academic and bourgeois feminists. (note: Alice fit in those categories). By Erin Pizzey's account, the threats included bomb threats (and mind you some early feminists had done similar things too).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey
@@themore-you-know do you mean "egalitarianism"? 😂
@@caseyw.6550, yes, thank you for the correction. I wrote equilatarism by mistake, instead of "egalitarianism". I will fix that.
So as you might notice: I'm able to recognize a helpful fact and get to the essence of it when it is there.
Unfortunately for me, it seems as though I also made the mistake of engaging with someone who prefers stopping at a small English linguistic error made by a French than addressing the more intellectual and important depth of the matter regarding the harm done by the feminist ideology to the solutions towards domestic violence that could otherwise be discussed, researched and implemented.
You, a feminist, decided to disregard an entire text full of historic facts and exploration paths over a minor linguistic mistake.
Would you agree?
Would you agree that you decided to halt all of your thought process to the insignificant error regarding the word "egalitarianism", as made evident by your reply ?
@@themore-you-know Yep. Totally agree. That's definitely what it is and not that I have no desire to waste my precious time arguing with some random weirdo on the internet. P.S. Every feminist I know (myself included) advocates for egalitarianism. Do you know any feminists IRL or just some caricatures you've seen online? My God. Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself. Byeeee!!!
yeah the sensationalizing of the trial is crazy to me, especially the clickbaity youtube video titles like "watch THIS CRAZY THING happen in court as Johnny Depps FRIEND says THIS" and also the amount of youtubers and streamers I've seen making money off of it (obviously not talking about videos like this one alice! this is super well researched and makes interesting and intelligent points! ) like imagine... making money by exploiting the details of someone's domestic abuse trial (well defamation or whatever but it mentions extremely personal details) while absolutely not engaging with it in any meaningful way and just regurgitating semi hot takes that are supposed to make them seem edgy that they've seen some other youtuber or streamer say somewhere
So we can all agree that whatever it's the mater or fight, there is always backlash to women's rights or the "public" image of feminism/women in general.
No, we cannot agree because it simply isn't true.
There are numerous occasions where abusive feminism ideologies get praises, with little backlash, despite being abusive.
@@themore-you-know how much should I bet that those are isolated cases that are blown out if proportion?
@@themore-you-know For example...
@@retiredwinxfairy9976, Amazon ads currently on TV, in which the "You Go Queen" undertone is very present, in which the Queen woman laughs with her circle of circles after murdering a dude for winking in her direction. Adding "He asked for it".
(Nice note: the series of ads also feature slaves, nearly all played by men)
No backlash to what is both one of the biggest corporations ever and what is airing on TV every few hours right now.
Now reverse that. Say Apple has an ad in which a man stabs a woman for merely trying to kiss him without his consent.
Can you imagine the backlash? Oh, right, Apple would lose at least 3-4% of its capital within hours.
You asked for an example, but I could simply redirect you to TV in general: the last 30years have been built around men being either the predators, morons or disposable plot pieces.
Reminds you of something? The disposable moron, also perhaps deemed a predator as a result of his bad approach, is gruesomely destroyed (partial body destruction).
By contrast, the queen is explicitely described as "Clever girl.". Reminds you of something else? The typical "girls are smarter" feminist trope, perhaps?
I'm getting carried away... so let's end on this:
Would you agree that murdering a woman on TV for product placement would cause Apple's cause to crash and burn?
So where is the outcry regarding feminist Amazon?
@@themore-you-know what you're explaining is made to make you question the fact that we live in a reality where women are accused of asking for it if they get raped while wearing revealing clothes or being at the wrong place.
Misogynistic Voyeurism is the harsh reality of our times. In India, we had the Sushant Singh Rajput case whereupon his death, his girlfriend, Rhea Chakraborty, was hounded by the media and the public were goaded by the media.
Couldn’t agree more.
Oh i remember that, even Ali Bhatt and some other actresses got shitted on
That's a very good point
@Shadow I can’t call myself a leftist because that would be taking away from serious left-based activism. I agree with the rare creature bit.
@@PokhrajRoy. man I see you everywhere. Literally everywhere, and i gain a little piece of hope for india everytime I do.
the fact that this is the first youtube video that hasnt been overwhelmingly misogynistic just shows how vile the coverage of this case has been. i know your comment section and message are going to be hell for this but thank u for making this
It not, Princess Weekes and there's been a few other commentary youtubers haves said something about it
@@patrice6895im glad to see theres others! but her video was the first one ive been able to see and thats because i follow her :/
@@ddahlia3607 ah, ok!
Your position is that critiquing abusers (Heard) is misogynistic by mere virtue of the target of well earned critique being a woman.
It is a dumb and bigoted position.
Unfortunately, you are blind to your bigotry.
Kuncan Dastner made a good video about this topic as well, not misogynistic at all and I think he made some good points
The backlash to the MeToo movement is really scary
The backlash I see is mostly against those who use the me too movement for clout not the actual metoo movement or at least that's what i hope it's a sad situation either way
Because they are being exposed for the fraud they are. Do you know that more than 38% of all rape cases are false allegations??
People turn a blind eye to topics like this
It's the me2 is the result of lack proper justice and sentencing. For me the fact that that swimmer (who shall not be named) got six months for raping a woman beside the bin and got out early. I remember another was a woman who walked two blocks from pub to home a dude who was let out of prison raped and killed her. Later it was found out that he was on parole who had multiple convictions against him but because some of those victims were sex workers nothing was done. There wouldn't be a metoo if justice was served all over the world.
@@haydfinley787 Noibody is using the metoo movement for clout.
@@paulameninato8948 Apparently there are bandwagoners who do so for social media clout, some celebrities who commandeered the leadership of the movement with their loud social media megaphones while stepping on the original founder(s) of the movement, and woman like Amber who rode the wave for an extortion scheme. So, to say that it isn’t happening is not fair. We need to recognize that and weed it out of the MeToo movement.
It's weird how people are so easily eager to taking side (*especially against amber*) on this as if they themselves were with them in their toxic relationship.
Ugh WHY are so many people SO EAGER to take such strong positions based on 15minutes of media consumption?!
Misogyny + stan culture
Wtf, there's evidence that she is an abuser
What else do you want
@@grandmamustaine7215 ok then
I swr, the next time the girl next door tells me her dad raped her, I won't listen, I'm not in their toxic relationship so I won't take sides
Honestly, one of the things that blackpilled me about the whole Depp vs Heard lawsuit situation which was pointed out to me by Xanderhal in one his streams which is that when people take sides in shitshows like these, they often selectively accept all the facts of the case, in order to appease their confirmation biases. You see this especially with the people who are against Amber Heard. So many people like to blindly accept the claim of Amber Heard, the psychotic bed shitter. But what they don't acknowledge is that the very same source that alleges Heard has having shat on Depp's bed also alleges that prior to that, of Depp domestically abusing heard, throwing stuff at her, and roughly grabbing her hair. To be specific, the source which is _The Guardian_ article "Johnny Depp trial: how the judge ruled on 14 alleged assaults":
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13. Los Angeles, April 2016
Heard claimed Depp had arrived late for her 30th birthday meal, drunk and on drugs. After her friends left, he threw a magnum champagne bottle at her, which missed, smashed glasses and grabbed her hair. The next day faeces was found on the couple’s bed.
The judge concluded Depp had “assaulted Ms Heard as he had done on previous occasions when he was stressed”.
Of Depp’s claim that Heard, or one of her friends, had deliberately defecated on the bed, the judge said it was “highly unlikely”.
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Funny how the hordes of people who love to shit talk about Amber "Psychotic Bed Shitter" Heard never mention about the preceding events that lead up to Heard allegedly shitting on Depp's bed, namely the domestic abuse she faced at Depp's hands. Seriously, which of the two scenarios sounds more plausible and likely, the idea that Amber Heard shat on Depp's bed out of psychotic spite or that they she did it as a response to the domestic abuse by Depp earlier that evening? No one actually contextualizes that because of course, that would go against the women-hating narrative that they've so gleefully gobbled up and regurgitated. Sure, they may claim that they're doing this because of "the lack of support for male abuse victims", which is a cause that I also certainly support, but I don't profess to being as moronic as to believe that 99.99% of the people claiming this actually gave a single damn about male abuse victims before the Depp vs Heard situation and even after this fiasco is over. The biggest reason why people side with Depp is because he's a famous actor who played a lot of iconic roles that people remember. That's pretty much it really. They don't care about the cause of male abuse victims, they only care about this specific rich famous celebrity one. After the whole situation is over, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of people will actually try to support male abuse victims. For the vast vast majority, it's just concern trolling.
To clarify something, I am not taking either side of the Depp vs Heard situation. I do not give a single flying fuck about either individual in this lawsuit. If they were to both die of spontaneous combustion tomorrow, I would still not give a fuck about them. A quantum supercomputer calculating for a thousand years could not even approach the number of fucks I do not give about either Depp or Heard. There are so many other, far more interesting and valuable situations that merit more actual public concern and outrage than this bloated monstrosity of a public lawsuit case that has monopolized the public's attention for the stupidest and most vapid of reasons.
From what I can gather, Heard seems to be an unpleasant, toxic individual who I wouldn't want to ever meet or be acquainted with. And on the other hand, I don't buy the whole "Johnny Depp uwu" narrative that other people blindly believe and gobble up. Before this whole situation, I remember plenty of stories of Depp being an obnoxious _prima donna_ actor who was very hard to work with on set and I have no reason to believe that that magically changed now. I think both Depp and Heard are two miserably toxic, abusive, mentally-ill rich dumbfucks who should have never gotten together and while their relationship is mutually abusive and toxic, I would say that Heard is the more abusive one in the relationship. *My main source of contention with this whole pointless bullshit situation is the intellectual cowardice and dishonesty that the vast majority of commentators, particularly the pro-Depp and anti-Heard commentators, display when they downplay and omit damning facts that contradict the black-and-white narrative of Johnny Depp being the pure innocent uwu victim that they want to push. If both sides of this case were shown honestly, warts and all, I wouldn't be so annoyed and blackpilled with the situation.*
I feel sick every time someone makes a joke on this topic and I feel awful for enabling crap opinions.
Literally got in fights with friends over this "It's just a meme" shut the fuck up domestic violence cases should never be this public
Amber Turd didn’t appreciate your use of “crap”
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Let’s all remember that in the UK where libel is MUCH easier to prove they ruled that based on the evidence provided by Heard- Johnny was found to have committed violence on her in 12/14 counts. I encourage everyone who thinks she has “no evidence” to review that case, where evidence such as Depp’s assistant admitting that Depp kicked her as well as many photographs of bruises and injuries were shown.
Also remember for anyone accusing her injuries of not being “severe enough” that different people display injuries differently. Some people have spoken out how they did not bruise when viciously attacked and some experienced severe visible injuries. Your experience as an abuse victim or what you believe abuse victims show/act like are NOT the experiences of every legitimate victim of abuse.
I would advise you to check what happened in UK and how it wasn't easy since the judge was working with her lawyer a couple years before the case and how he dismissed all the evidence of her abuse.
@@MissieK i would advice you to learn about domestic violence and how a unbalanced power relationship, can affect it. She admitted that she was also violent, but he was too, he was more violent and he had more power. So… yeah, he was and abuser. And just because she did it too, doesn’t eliminate what he did. You just want perfect victims…
@@dymoonbp7310 Did I say that anywhere in my comment? They were both abusive but I see people making her a saint and him the villain constantly.
And again I didn't say anything like that in my comment so don't put words in my mouth
@@MissieK where? I guess you aren’t reading the comments on this video or anywhere in twt, ig, tiktok, and facebook. Because the narrative it’s very different… at best is “both are toxic”; otherwise is calling her a liar and fake. And again, she never presented herself as a saint…. 🤷🏾♀️
@@dymoonbp7310 Not answering my question good job. I have seen the comments many support him many wish him to die, many say because he is a man he has to be the abusive one. She does portray herself as a saint. She did try to cover all she did and used the metoo movement for her gain. Even though she did abuse him she keeps posting in her social how she fights a monster and she did nothing wrong.
My opinions on this whole situation (which doesn't and shouldn't matter but here we are ig)
1. People acting as if they are solving a fun detective game case and not assuming things about a relationship they don't know 99.99% of is scary.
2. Let's assume Amber Heard is the only villain here. Let's say she's evil, an abuser, etc. But so is Harvey Weinstein, so is Chris Brown, so are many more public figures. Yet none of them had people give so much backlash. I don't see anyone going out of their way to ruin any of these people's lives.
3. Johnny's PR team is involved in it. I have never cared about either of them to search or watch anything they're in yet since the day this trial started my recommendations page on youtube, my twitter feed - everything is filled with this case and its updates. I have clicked "not interested" many times yet the videos don't go away.
I could vouch for number 3. I was never a fan of him, never even watched any of his shows, or consumed any online content about him. But my social media algorithm was immediately flooded with recommendations of Depp-Heard, mostly Pro-Depp, content when the trial began and it felt really weird and annoying.
First of all, neither of them tried to further ruin their victims life's by accusing them of exactly what they did to them. Neither of them used an important movement to play the victim for year's making people believe THEY were actually the victim.
Secondly, some people literally wanted those guys dead
Re #2: Misogyny is everywhere. Even during the height of BLM sentiments, which white people were most often ridiculed as exemplars of racism? Not white cops, not white policymakers, but Karens-older, white women. Karens obviously are in the wrong, but the disproportionate ridicule (and the culturally available language for ridicule of them) was misogynistic.
Based on the available evidence, I think it's likely Amber was the more abusive partner-though ofc we'll never know for sure. But my point is, even when a woman IS in the wrong, owing to misogyny, the backlash against her is stronger, crueler, and more vicious than it would be for a man who's done the same or worse.
try CRTL+SHIFT+R to refresh the page after clicking 'not interested'. I have to do this 5-10 times before youtube stop recommending me boring trash
Same !! The propaganda for this abusive cokehead is off the chain. I don't CARE about this case but it will never go away
My husband and I have both been completely baffled by the public reaction to all of this. He posted on Reddit a few days ago under "unpopular opinions" that he didn't understand why people felt the need to choose a side. That both were abusive and wrong in their relationship, but one being abusive doesn't excuse the other also being abusive. He was vilified, called plenty of disgusting names, called a white knight and simp for Amber Heard, etc. before the post was entirely taken down within a few hours. It's kind of jarring to see, after the me too movement's momentum recently. I dont think at all that Heard should be defended, but I also find all the ride-or-dies for Depp disturbing.
I just want to point out that reactive violence is very common for victims suffering from intense abuse. Sometimes victims will start physical fights when they see an argument escalate so they can get the violent part over with.
Clearly Amber is not a perfect person, but we shouldn't judge the content of her character based on how she acted while suffering through intense trauma.
@@paulameninato8948 she's not the victim lol
@@paulameninato8948 could it be that....he was the one using reactive violence?
It's just....she's alleged to have defecated in his bed.....if true, I can't see how that specific act would be reactive violence....
That being said, I'm not saying it's one way or the other and I am very uncomfortable with the way this seems to have become a game
But....I am also uncomfortable with those who cut her slack just because she's a woman
Women are equal to men; which also means - they can be equally monstrous
(That being said, women tend to be victims of domestic abuse more often than men)
The reason why is because so far there is no evidence of Johnny abusing her. There is only prove of Amber admitting and downplaying how she hit him. Anyone would pick a side after seeing all the evidence against her. And if this is how you see it, please keep that same energy whenever a woman alleges abuse, EVEN when there's proof that the men abused her since according to you it could always be mutual abuse.
@@plzleavemealone9660 There's so much evidence. Read the UK trial transcripts.
the way johnny depp stans are acting like this case is black and white, infantilising him and acting like he’s some innocent flower and attacking anyone who says something that even slightly contradicts this is deeply concerning, sorry if i don’t want to show my support to a man who said roman polanski is “not a predator”
But the same argument is literally what people use against women when they report sexually motivated crime. They would report, in many cases factually, some flaw with her behaviour. Point being that Depp doesn't need to be blameless victim, neither is he masquerading as one. He simply wants to not be considered a wife beater which he is not.
And who talked about killing his accuser and raping her body and shrug it off if that is a normal way of acting.
I totally agree but Amber is just.. such a nutcase I find everything that comes out her mouth and all of her intentions to be.. suspect. There's never a perfect victim in any toxic relationship but there's always one that seems to try and outgame the other. We know who that is.
@@rakata1987 Johnny is the one that’s outgaming Amber. He’s obviously got PR teams pumping out anti-Amber content considering the flood of articles and posts constantly seem. He fought for the trial to be televised then sits back and laughs in it, mocking Amber more than actually fighting back.
He has controlled so much of this trial from day one. If Amber was controlling it, the public would have a much better view of her.
@@megaman3029 amber isn't the victim though 🤏
People meme-ing this trial is so terrifying. If Amber really was assaulted people are laughing at the worst moment of her life. People saying that the texts Johnny Depp sent about assaulting and murdering Amber are fine and that 'he's joking' is terrifying. If Johnny was being abused all these people calling him hot/obsessing over him isn't ok at all.
Domestic and sexual abuse survivors are being triggered and hurt over these silly TikToks and memes.
To the person that around 6:00 says "yes but not televised"... Buddy, in the *normal world* criminal trials are already public. Sentences are public documents. The courtroom will allow you attend. A lot of civil oral trials are by nature public.
Not in Europe. Most stay private unless the person who requests them to be public has a reason like reporters or family but yet again they can't publish them online and especially not when the trial is still on going
@@MissieK . . . We're talking about a defamation case in the USA (Heard v Depp).
The other case cited in the video is also in the US (Simpson's Murder Trial).
@@necromax13 I know just made it clear that not everywhere is public at the time of the trial.
America - the one country
@@mangodew4040 America- the normal world
The ‘I want to be political’ Rendition was actually very good 👏🏽
multi talented Alice!
Agreed! It was delightful to hear
Justice is meant to be, at its core, *impartial* and *fair*. It is impossible to present trials as such in a televised/story like format. Because a trial is not a story. A story is told by someone. A story is someone's interpretation and no matter how hard someone tries there is no escaping bias. Stories are told with a lens, a narrator, and there are choices made with regards to the subject of the story. Who is the subject? How are the events portrayed? What is portrayed? What isn't?
Trials aim to discover absolute truth. So that justice, in the form of punishment, may be bestowed on someone who has done something wrong. This idea is fundamentally incompatible with the idea of a story.
This is an idealistic perspective to say the least, I recognise that. Because we live in a society (I know, I know) and justice in its ideal, is dealt in a far from ideal manner. We wouldn't have so many poor people of colour in prisons if justice was dealt ideally. Because ideally our society wouldn't be constructed as the antithesis to the prosperity of these marginalised groups.
So maybe what's really wrong isn't the story in and of itself, its the unavoidable biases that come with it.
thank you for coming to my ted talk lmaooo
The coverage of this trial has made me feel completely insane. I truly couldn’t care less about either of these people but for some reason I can still see Johnny Depp’s PR team working overtime to post videos of his “EPIC TAKEDOWN OF AMBER HEARD”… the fervent and rabid hatred towards that woman is absolutely not echoed with the veracity that should have been shown for Polanski and Weinstein. I truly think both of them are deplorable and should be punished (I wish this was occuring in a private trial because I truly do NOT want to see anymore content about this) but the way other women are so quick to downplay the awful things Depp has done in order to dogpile on Heard is so disturbing. Again, where was this energy for other public abuse trials? Why is it so different when it’s a pretty woman who bagged your former celebrity crush?
I don't think it is necessarily his PR team. This is the case of a woman who spun a net of lies to look like a victim and used the metoo movement while actually having been a violent and vile abuser to the man she dragged to the dirt. Of course this is gold social media content. It is very rare that the world can watch an evil person like her getting exposed for what she is every day a little more. Professional writers couldn't have written it better. I mean no matter if you think something like this should be televised. But her stumbling over her own lies and trying to explain that away with total bs all the time has immense entertainment value.
@@missoats8731 i mean….. where was this fervour for Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffery Epstein who are ACTUALLY evil deplorables that deserve extreme hatred and backlash????? Why did we all forget about that??? Where was this energy then??? Brain worms truly
@@alanitaaaaa What are you talking about? I feel like I hear the name Epstein almost every week and people are disgusted beyond believe. And it has been some while since all of it came out. This court case is happening right now and people are just finding out. Also, they are both big hollywood stars and almost everyone knows them. It's not fair, but of course it gets a lot of attention.
I think the energy mainly comes from the fact that Depp has suffered a lot from this and has been framed as the evil one, whereas it's not completely true. While you say both of them are deplorable, there is not a single piece of evidence proving that he is.
@@xAnonymousComedia Awwwwww poor sweet little old rich man
Is it wrong for me to completely tune out of highly publicized judicial processes like this?
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No. Your sanity is not worth it. You take care of yourself bro/sis.
it is completely right for your sanity and I do the same. We don't need to have an opinion on everything, despite what social media makes us think.
the actual trial is interesting to see how the judicial process works and how evidence is analyzed and cross analyzed. But the media sensationalist clips are worse than worthless they are damaging.
you can do whatever you want - you are not wrong or right for ignoring a public case but it doesn't change the impact of the trial on abuse and defamation of character
Anecdotes, like the one about the guy you mentioned, make me think of someone who only ate with a spoon all their life. And now, suddenly, they are forced to deal with the fancy dining table and are afraid to embarrass themselves by picking the wrong fork. Which is to say, they fear humiliation over a breach of etiquette. But it shouldn‘t be about manners, it should be about empathy.
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Maybe he was just innocent though?
The audacity of the fact that you never consider these things from the male perspective is telling, it's possible for a woman to perceive something completely innocent as a transgression; after all, women are taught that they live in a "rape culture", why wouldn't they interpret the worst of any kind of encounter with men given that feminism teaches them to expect men to be rapists?
Christ you've made it a privilege to be gay, how very fortunate I am.
i personally agree with public court because someone has to keep our court system honest, and what better than the collective public eye? also, i've been the victim of court fraud and i can't press charges or even open a case on it because the court records were sealed and it would take a murder being involved in my prior case to get the records unsealed. i'm coming to learn that what courts get away with in secret is far worse than how the public reacts.
Love your angle on this. I find it really weird how much the algorithms push all the trial-related content on us, as well as the bizarre army of Depp defenders parroting the exact same phrases, my favorite being “She’s doing a disservice to all the REAL domestic violence victims”. I feel like this is just a large-scale PR campaign intended solely for the purpose of rehabilitating what’s left of their careers, which is why they’ve turned it into reality TV. The outcome of the trial itself is irrelevant, what matters is who “wins” the internet.
I think the weirdest thing to me about the reaction is all the references I've seen to Jack Sparrow. I find that it really takes the humanity out of a sad situation and solidifies the idea that some people are viewing this as entertainment.
Tbh, I had always been disinterested in the case because it seemed just like two multi-millionaires quarreling in front of the world, and also primarily because I was never a fan of any of the two.
But I can't just shake off how this single isolated case has now been weaponized by both discreetly and openly misogynist men to invalidate the struggle of DV victims, and to demonize feminism like they always do. What mentality would you expect from people who idolize and deify celebrities anyway.
Yes, that's just wrong. But it's another reason people are so mad at Amber. She is everything misogynists claim women to be.
Up untill now I did not follow this topic at all. I saw many hateful headlines towards her and I don‘t like misogyny.
Your position is that critiquing abusers (Heard) is misogynistic by mere virtue of the target of well earned critique being a woman.
It is a dumb and bigoted position.
That makes you a bigot.
the thing is, people saying they arent believing amber shouldn't be called misogyny, there's a lot of reasons and none of them are because of misogyny
@@lourdesamorena7194 some are. some aren‘t.
@@TheMntnG there is alot of evidence that show that amber heard is an abuser and nothing can change that, if even johnny Depp was an abuser , it dosent change the fact that she is one too
@@TheMntnG You are right, but I think very little of it is because of misogyny. If you would have followed the trial you would know that most of the headlines are just a result of her actions.
I'm unsure if people with a high public profile can actually get justice either as the defendant or prosecutor. I did serve on a jury once, and it was a depressing experience of people following their instincts or allowing their habitus (ref another Alice video) to dominate their decision making rather than a critical evaluation of evidence.
I just don't get why lays are allowed to make the final decision in the states. It's so outdated. So much depends on the jury, who know nothing about forensics or the legal system. Even if you make sure ethnicity and gender are represented accordingly, you can't make sure they be just like "lol. Idc. Your nose looks funny. I say guilty."
@@Freaky0Nina thats the whole point of public opinion ... wisdom of the crowd. However, it doesnt account for a sexist, biased crowd... in that sense, it then more reflects the morality of the culture rather than truth.
I would like to hear a more extensive comment about misoginy normalization around this case
a youtuber called princess weekes made a really good video about that specifically, i recommend watching that. it's her latest video
i think the bubbling misogyny came to surface but it was always there and there was alot of resentment from metoo movement in it( there are nuances to it as the whole black man -white women thing is tricky or Karen not wanting mexians men in usa cause they might rape her)
It’s unbelievable to me that whenever a man is an actual victim, you people somehow find a way to manipulative it into misogyny 🤦♂️ Amber Turd is a narcissistic abuser, not a victim of anything but her own greed
I think it's important to put a light on male victims of domestic violence. But it's so sad to see this as a way to endure the way women are treated when outspoken about violence
This trial did nothing for male dv survivors. What does a famous millionaire like JD have with the common man? Nothing. If anything it was more detrimental to male victims seeing how the general public reacted to the whole fiasco with jokes. If male abuse is a serious issue as everyone claims, then JDs trial should been taken seriously and not an opportunity to make memes.
@@decoraqueena6413 you are right. I did not think about it that way. I just thought that people would finally see that dv can happen to any gender and they could show support to every victim. But you are correct. They disrespected the whole thing. Thanks for pointing that out
@@decoraqueena6413 If jhonny depp has to put so much eforts to get justice then think about the situation ordinary Men.
Watching Johonny Depp male victim will get inspiration to fight back against toxic women like Amber Heard.
Maybe he was just innocent though?
The audacity of the fact that you never consider these things from the male perspective is telling, it's possible for a woman to perceive something completely innocent as a transgression; after all, women are taught that they live in a "rape culture", why wouldn't they interpret the worst of any kind of encounter with men given that feminism teaches them to expect men to be rapists?
Christ you've made it a privilege to be gay, how very fortunate I am.
You’re wrong. More and more male survivors are coming forward as a result. For once, a case has gotten so loud that it can’t be swept under the rug as it was before.
Je viens juste de découvrir cette chaîne et elle aurait pas pu tomber mieux, avoir autant de références académiques me reboost pas mal pour mon mémoire, merci beaucoup !
havent watched the video yet ill come back to it later i just wanted to talk about how ive seen many tiktoks who used an audio of shit depp did to amber and the girls filmed themselves reacting to it and saying its every girls fantasy yada yada there are so many such videos and it's so disgusting to see i cant escape people talking about this trial no matter what i block fr fr
Great coverage of this '''sh*t show''. First of all, I don't think this case makes people misogynistic, those who are like that, will be the same even without this trial. Also, I believe women are not weak and always have to be the victim, I know cases of domestic violence against mem too, women can be just as dangerous sometimes. But the problem is not what sex is more guilty, the problem is that the victims are manipulated to stay in the relationship until is too late. We're too focused on punishing the guilty that we overlook the real issue. The idea is to prevent domestic violence, give support for the victim before they become the victim. And maybe counseling for the aggressor, before they do something irreversible. I advocate for prevention, not punishment. And this trial confirms to me that all that pain could've been easily avoided.
The thing is that the narrative is not women are always the victim, is that women are deprived even of the victim status and given to the perpetrator and all the other men that are "scared" of the false accusation ghost.
Women can be perpetrators, but it will never be institucionaliced, acepted as the norm or have the same probabilities of ocurrence, gravity and consecuences as when men are the perpetrators. So plesase, don't equalice social with personal.
@@kiriki4558 "Equalice" social with personal? No I don't, I just point out that things are not white and black. And if we refuse to acknowledge this fact, we will only intensify the resentment between women and men, distracting the both groups from the true problem. And this resentment will only lead to more domestic violence. I do believe women are more capable of finding a solution, the patriarchal society can be too eager to punish, to use force to solve problems, but maybe women can find another way to deal with this issue.
@@kiriki4558 Also, I want to share my full experience with domestic violence, I agree that you can't generalize based on personal experiences, but at the same time they offer a window into this issue, and if you look trough a lot of windows, you might get a picture of what happens inside. I grew up with domestic violence, my father was the aggressor. The violence was mostly emotional, but sometimes it would get physical. The pain he caused my mother is still visible, after so many years, he died and my mother still has the scars. No amount of punishment will heal her, and she knew that, so she never wanted him to pay, he payed in a different way, his mind degraded and he died alone. He grew up in a toxic environment too, his mother was abusive, she would abuse her husband verbally, emotionally and physically. And also her boy, who grew up to be my father. Also, she grew up with an abusive and neglectful father...this is a chain of pain that could've been avoided. And punishment does not heal the wounds.
@@aiardelean sorry but comment above was saying a different thing, and i think that failing to point out that its men in fact that do commit the highest percentage of violent crime, including domestic violence (hard statistics) for fear of more retaliation against women its just not the way we should operate. in fact i might argue that this reluctance to see how disproportionate the whole statistics are is what is keeping us back. reality is complex but this trend of sex-based violence is undeniable and its mandatory we address it for what it is
@@briciolaa Well, I did not say that men do not commit most of the violent crimes, including domestic violence. The thing I said is that the answer does not lie in blaming and punishing a sex, but finding ways to prevent the pain. I disagree with you on the idea that seeing how disproportionate the statistics are is what is keeping us back. What is holding us back is the fact that people are not educated enough, they resort to violence whenever a disagreement rises because they are not taught how to deal and discuss the things that upset them. They use past trauma to justify the bad they do to their partners. They don't know how to control their own lives, so they what to control their partner. And the list can go on. The first step it would be to have therapists working with school children, make the children get used to the idea of solving their problems in a peaceful manner. This could be a great start. A therapist could spot the child living in a toxic environment and take action before is too late. I propose finding the root of the problem, not finding someone to punish after the bad was already done. Is about the perspective we choose when looking at the problem.
Thank you for speaking on this topic! I have no real interest in lives of these celebrities, but the fact that Amber has fallen under mockery makes me feel like it’s impossible for real victims to win their case, especially if there is fame and power involved.
Thank you as always for your deep inquiry. The topics you pick and your exploration really brings a lot of value and encourages the viewers to think about the topic long after the video ends. I also greatly enjoyed your singing bit. :) 🔥
I would also address the fact of how this case is being force-fed to the masses. There are even memes about it. The media wants everyone to see and pick Johnny's side. A lot of us just don't care, there is a trial and hopefully justice does it's thing.
The media is more biased towards Amber, actually. Is the internet who's biased towards Depp. I'm a journalist and I didnt see any vehicle talk about the trial until Amber toke the stand.
@@ingredi8409 i think the demographic watching this mostly has internet and more interest in the case as they are in dating pool. i think the interest stems from wanting to notice red flags. regardless the sensationalism and taking sides is gross. it is not some fun pop culture rap battle.
@@ingredi8409 yeah! We only heard of hearsay! But when Ambee took the stand of course many DV survivors who watched this may also notice some red flags and yeah! People who doesn't really know the trial just jump of bandwagon whenever they see a yotube video but either way hoping foe justice to served
@@ingredi8409 interesting point. I actually don't read the news about this case. This video right here is the only thing related that has caught my interest.
@@khushichadha512 Also a lot of enthusiastic anti feminists are following
What was the point of this video? What is the core message?
And how were you trying to undermine the point you were trying to make?
I feel like im the only one who does not understand what you're trying to say. It seems to be interesting but there are so many points being made which are loosely connected to one another.
This video reminds me of the semester I had on Foucault and another semester on the Sociology of Crime and Deviance. As you can imagine, my mother and I are mystery and crime aficionados although not at the level of visiting prisons and living there.
When a public figure is put on trial, the event becomes public by nature. The Depp trial is a perfect example of why celebrity trials MUST be public: Depp's reputation was dragged through the mud for at least five years (maybe more) and only the publicity of the trial vindicated him. Had it been "behind closed doors", the court of public opinion would never have vindicated him; he would still be judged a domestic abuser. I think it is shallow and even unjust to dismiss public interest in celebrity trials as mere voyeurism. Some among us are actually concerned with Justice. Unlike us, she is blind to the status of any parties brought before her. Many of us have a prejudice against celebrities, rich people, politicians, etc... and would happily see them off to hell for the crime of being successful, but this is not a righteous attitude. That's my two cents and I would count myself among the 26% minority for the above reason.
Im absolutely disgusted by the complete hate that's been sent her way. People are living an absolute delusion. It's clear as day he is an emotionally unstable, abusive man. You don't have to believe her but people should AT LEAST be able to admit that. It's like his followers are in a cult. I also don't understand why he is allowed to bow to his followers outside the court. Are the jury seeing these followers holding up signs in worship of him? How are they making sure the jury isn't looking at social media?
I was unaware right wingers were using this as ammunition. I’ve kept this story at arm’s length since I knew it would be all kinds of toxic controversy but I always figured it would serve the me too movement since Depp was coming out as a domestic abuse victim, which would help destigmatize the concept of male victims. I figured destigmatizing on any front would help the movement as a whole but maybe that was naive.
It would be helpful, were it not for the fact that male survivors have been shoved to side and shouted down by the white feminists who hijacked MeToo. Long history of “allies” telling male survivors they don’t count.
I am interested to know what you mean by that first sentence.
I too believe like the comment you read that trials should be televised only in the sense of them being public but not turned into a reality show especially when the 2 opposing parties becomes unofficial symbols of socio-political theme (Depp as men's right on abuse and Heard as, a potential, misuser of the Me-too movement). That is even the reason why I have refrained from taking part in that trial because it's not even over and also we all know that most of what we know are small parcels of things like 3 min video of a 15 min testimony, etc that we got in our feed based on our social media preferences thus I prefer to wait for the end in the hope that the trial went through pure procedural justice (that the result of a trial only be due to it's procedure and no other variable such as politics, customs, status-quo, etc).
By the way, Nice video
So your position is that no evidence of women being potential abusers should exist in the public eye?
Do you have that same energy/logic by following it up with "men should then not be televised as potential abusers", or are you a bigot?
This is exactly what I'm doing, and I feel guilty for avoiding this trial
@@themore-you-know The reason why I putted "potential" in between is simply because the trial hasn't ended.
I doubt that I have said anything about one party's needs (The abuse) should be more represented than the other? If yes, please Quote me and I shall explain myself but if not I think the insult you just used against me of "bigot" is unworthy of what I said and Thus No to answer your question I don't think I am a "bigot" sir .
For all I know the 2 of them were apparently toxic two each other. Now what's this trial is to find out is to what extent one was more than the other and who was was more guilty of being the cause rather than the effect of the other's wrong . Something of which again I said ought to be shown throughout the trial that hasn't ended hence I haven't taken a general view since all the of evidence backing the claim of the 2 parties hasn't been yet all brought to light.
To summarize what I just said in a sentence, I believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty for the 2 of them regardless of their gender .
@@mutabazimichael8404, I can respect your vocalized position, even though I do not believe that you action vocalize it when a piece of media effectively creates a trial by media of men.
Hence why I explicitly asked: "Do you keep that same energy [...]?"
Governments, using public funds, run ads that depict all men as abusers on a frequent basis. Sometimes not even "potential", just as abusers quite simply. Without evidence and without discourse. Did you ever voice your opinion against such a thing, using a comment at minimum?
I'm assuming you have not so far, am I correct?
Would you do it right now: state that men should not have been portrayed as abusers through a "trial by media" (especially using public funds) ?
@@themore-you-know Sir, I think you just showed an example of why trials shouldn't be over televised to be turned into a sort of reality show which UNOFFICIALLY represents socio-political theme depending on your cognitive bias. For you Depp right now is the representation of how far men's right on abuse can go as far as a trial portrays them for others it's (through Heard) how far can one, potential, bad user of the Me-too movement have backlash on the whole movement for women's right. These are interpretation of the trials, but as far as anyone can go the truth of the matter remains Domestic violence between 2 individuals, that is what I am looking at and as far as I know I didn't voice any of my opinion on any of the connoted theme of these trial whether it be men's rights or women's rights on abuse and it's representation. All I said so far, to the best of my knowledge, is on the fact of Domestic violence.
To answer your question, which again I find irrelevant to what I had said first on Domestic violence and not men's representation when taken advantage of by the other sex, YES I believe of myself that I keep the same energy when seeing the laxity on any kind of injustice whether it be man's abuse or woman's and I'm not sure of how many more times men are portrayed as abusers on TV but please, facts speaks for themselves women are more prone to be victims of violence such as rape, domestic violence, etc than men and that's universal not just in the US not to say that men's right should be neglected but facts remains fact.
To finish, if there is one thing I might say on the matter you brought up is this, Representation in a certain part of media doesn't refrain from acting differently. Asians are always portrayed as putting too much pressure on their children, Mexicans as always drug/gang connected, women who strive for a career as emotionless, Muslim teachings and practitioners as indoctrinated, etc. The media whether it be funneled by gov't or not shall always overgeneralize (in this case men being violent which is a minority) something in order to appeal to the people depending on the preponderance of a certain opinion at a given moment. If you have suffered prejudice from it, I'm sorry for you but it is what is and my best opinion that I strive to follow as man myself is to show that I'm not part of that minority of vicious men in the same way that women every day strive for proving that they are not lustful, gold diggers, do anything for clout, etc.
I'm having a real rough day / few months, and your silly singing made me tear up a little. You have a sweet voice
Your channel and your ideas and point of view are always precious to me. You're doing something unique and special here, thank you ❤️
I hate that I need to clarify this but, here goes: I am liberal, a feminist and very progressive. As such, I like to make my judgements based on facts. On the other hand, facts may be difficult to establish in certain cases. For that same reason, I will not believe a woman just because she’s a woman, and in this case, I definitely do not believe Amber Heard. I also know that Johnny Depp has been a kind and considerate person his whole life. His substance abuse problems do not mean that he is violent. I also know that his father was abused by his mother, as were their children.
Finally, the trial was televised because Amber had defamed Johnny’s character non-stop for six years; he lost work and his reputation, and he wanted to clean his name in the public sphere. If one puts oneself in his shoes, it is clear how this makes sense. Amber’s background, however, is extremely problematic and disturbing.
It is unfortunate that anyone is taking this to mean that the “Me Too” movement has any less validity, and downright idiotic.
The trial itself isn't trying ro set back feminism or whatever, obviously justice was served in rhe trial and for Johnny Depp
But It has ruined the movement because Amber Heard used rhe movement for personal gain and not to expose actual harm directed ro her, and people will stop believing victims that speak up
Which is deeply deeply sad
@@lilypond5158 People were saying 'don't believe all women, it ruins the credibility of the movement' for years. CLEAN HOUSE, and yes I know men also have to clean house, just as much or more. 2 wrongs don't make a right, though, feminists need to clean house or let the neocons take ALL our rights.
Idk. It’s really really hard to judge this situation.
A few things I can say tho - there has been serious misogyny against Heard. I really really really don’t like her, but what some people are saying is just way over board. Also the blind defending for Depp? Imo there’s a lot of fangirling/-boying in that, he indeed has problems with substance abuse and seems to not be that mentally stable, also his anger issues--
Anyways, the matter is: they were both toxic, both abusive, and what this reminds me most about is fighting with your siblings. This whole trial is a big „who hit who first“ while that actually doesn’t even matter.
It’s a true shit show, as you said, and I think a loooooot of people who are so badly against Amber are just searching for a reason to bash a woman
I just want to point out that there is no such thing as a perfect victim. Nobody will act perfectly when they are being beaten, abused, and raped. We shouldn't hold any survivor to that high of a standard. Perpetrators typically use the survivor's trauma response to make it look like the survivor is just crazy, unstable, and, in cases where they fight back, the abuser. Read up on DARVO. A lot of what Depp is doing is just to make it look like Amber is the toxic one, when actually most of the evidence points towards Depp being the primary abuser.
she literally cut off his fingers and him calling her little names is bad
If the concern is that the outcome will "prevent victims (women) from coming forward" then the blame falls to the woman who utilized her fame as a vehicle to make baseless accusations against someone as a means for personal profit. Whatever harm was done to DV victims as a result of this case was done by Amber Heard, not Johnny Depp, who was, as a matter of fact, fighting to clear his name in the midst of a culture that is all too eager to crucify any man accused by a woman. If anything, this case should have been kept between the individuals involved, but because Amber Heard is an opportunistic narcissist, she decided to make it public for the sake of her own personal gain; she is the villain here (I understand that's shocking to you given that she has a vagina).
Im so glad i found your channel *^^* the way you speak is equally calming and entertaining
He isn't suing for Domestic Violence. He is suing for defamation, arguing that by her article that she wrote he lost work. In terms of defamation and him losing work because of her article - I think he could win because he was dropped from Pirates & playing Grindewald but that is to be seen. I think it is more interesting socially how it is as if people are now starting to realize that men can also be victims of DV. Personally I think she did abuse him physically but I think they were both toxic to each other.
If you listen to the statement from his talent agent that he was with for 30 years, she said he wasn't being considered for the role because of his bad behaviour. She said it had got worse over 30 years. She also said he demanded that the agency GIVE him $20 million because he deserved it.
Another masterpiece, Alice... as always. I've been avoiding mostly the discussion with this trial, but it seems like your part three is the one that I agree with the most.
Why do we have to turn everything into polarized politics? social polarization perhaps might have gotten too far to the point of now whether things such as your stance on insurrection and domestic violence are dictated by party lines? This is surely unhealthy...
Hi Alice, thanks for making this video. It allowed me to think about the Heard Depp trial from a different angle altogether.
But more importantly, YOU CAN SING. For real.
Thank you so much for making this video 🙏
The engineer here worried for a second that Léon Foucault was busy making prisons in his free time. I need to learn more about philosphy, therefore I'm grateful for your videos.
Opinions from Alice and from the people who see this comment are very welcome. I have noticed this trial sensationalized on all platforms. I'm reluctant whether if releasing amber heard's potential mental illnesses was more dangerous to women survivors of sexual abuse. Ultimately associating them with the "crazy woman trope," or maybe a way to keep transparency with the massive whole, to aid situations like these to cease?
Especially online, many people question the mental health system; but want to diagnose themselves with ADHD or bipolar disorder because of a 30-second video. Or even try to characterize people in their lives as power-hungry narcissists because of a lack of communication. Maybe even an immature point of view. And why we need to have an outside perspective and professional to diagnose us to begin exploring that possibility.
(borderline personality disorder: commonly misdiagnosed, histrionic personality disorder: usually associated with women and further capitalizing on the crazy or dramatic woman trope)
Was mentioning amber heard's histrionic and borderline personality appropriate to speak out online, where diagnosing somebody with these morally ambiguous mental illnesses that are hard to diagnose easily accessible. Today's culture now banal, to misconstrue somebody off a less universal viewpoint? Could this potentially become a way for actual predators to try to gaslight others into believing them and send us back into a more misogynistic society?
I have experienced sexual abuse, but the social worker I spoke to about it for the first time dismissed my incident and shut down, never contacting me ever again. I was in a mental health hospital and had an incident where the first SA I spoke about they believed it had ever happened to me. So doctors implemented antipsychotics to my daily medications.
Things are getting better, I am off them, but I ultimately turned to a more self-destructive mindset, engaging with more abusive/emotionally unavailable men because of this, reliving that experience habitually.
I do believe the mental health system did me wrong, but if there's already an ethical issue with them, how will sexual assault issues be treated with in the courts?
hi! great comment. just wanted to say that having a psych diagnose your victim with a socially disdained mental illness is par for the course for perpetrators & there’s a long history of it. it’s a common tactic used by abusers in defamation cases and custody battles.
Dr. Currys testimony was very curious to me for that and many other reasons. 1. PDs aren’t easily diagnosable especially in a combative environment. 2. AHs profile was sub clinical ie; normal. 3. She said that PDs isn’t linked to trauma but that’s in direct opposition to most opinions in the mental health community. 4. She indicated stimulants are a treatment for personality disorders which is a blatant lie. & finally? 5. diagnosing or eliminating PTSD was what she was hired to do, and the only thing relevant to the case. The fact that she spent the majority of her time listing BPD symptoms instead, & all of the other things I listed, points to using a MH diagnosis maliciously.
@@kayladenette5872 im sorry, can you please elaborate on the first section that you sent. were you saying that maybe my psych diagnosed me incorrectly because she believed i was a perpetrator? and by socially disdained, does that mean that she tried to diagnose me with antisocial personality?
i can definitely see what you are saying for the second paragraph. just to clarify, because dr. curry was maybe a bit more biased towards depp, maybe she instead of helping AH process through her PTSD, she used what information she told her, to turn it against her? or if her diagnosis is inaccurate because she mustve had different environmental factors affecting heard?
@@ivysrosebloodi don’t know because i wasn’t there, but for your psych not only not believe you about your SA but to then say you were the perpetrator…that’s very unprofessional. what kind of evidence did they have to even believe that? i doubt much. people who are diagnosed with mental illnesses are more likely to be abused than people who aren’t. and the mental health industry is rampant with misogyny. i wouldn’t he surprised if you were a victim of that.
i believe that Dr. Curry decided that AH didn’t have PTSD. She said AH had a lot of symptoms but then she slowly culled them to nothing. this doesn’t make sense to me. i also find it strange to diagnose someone with a PD but then say they don’t have a single bit of trauma effecting them. Makes no sense when PTSD and PDs are so often comorbid.
Additionally I think it’s odd to interpret a sub clinical profile as 2 personality disorders and have no differential diagnosis. you cannot diagnose someone with a personality disorder without first ruling out other possible explanations. I don’t believe Dr. Curry did that at all because she didn’t speak to it. Her methods were insanely flawed and unprofessional in my book
her job wasn’t to help AH process her PTSD, her job was specifically to debunk it and diagnose her with something more “egregious” in order to back up JDs testimony. This was 💯 her job, and if she didn’t do it she likely would see a significant decline in her career prospects.
I think that you forgot that AH found a psychiatrist or psychologist that believed her. Many real life women do not even find one and are treated like s*it within the mental health system. Heard doesn't seem so innocent to me.
@@mjj7781 she doesn’t seem innocent? because her psychiatrist believed her? what does that mean?
The first big case to grab American media attention in the modern era (after WWII) was the Sam Sheppard murder trial of the 1950s. Sam Sheppard was convicted, of murdering his wife, but the case led to rules on cameras and media in the courtroom. Forty years later, the OJ Simpson murder trial faced similar criticism, but in this case, the defendant was found innocent. I'm not sure we can ever get a good balance. I believe that there needs to be transparency in our courtrooms, but with adequate guardrails against violating the fourth wall, playing to the media, and further traumatizing the victims of the crimes.
Haha the singing
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I feel like i haven’t seen a single video that explores both of Amber AND Johnny’s shitty characters. stay blessed ✨
@@tagz12345 yessss they do. by characters i’m referring to who they really are btw. and they both suck.
Before my comment: apart from this one, Princess Weekes's video is one of the best I've seen about the case.
It doesn't matter what it comes from this trial. When she started to date Depp, the hate started. Most people never believed Heard, even when all the proof its out there that him was abusive to her. After a time, people started to made things up or taking them out of context to turn her into a villain and these lies were excuses to "prove" their point: Amber is lying, Depp is the victim (even when they decided their side long ago). If he wins, she's a liar, and if he doesn't it will because of "judges always believe woman, even if they're lying" (we know that's not true)
I can only imagine how immense the pressure is on the judges
Agreed
Judges don’t decide who is/is not guilty, the jury does
yeah, people on TikTok definitely forgot that the whole case is about domestic violence 😶
You forgot that it ain't.
It's about Defamation.
@@themore-you-know Defamation, that's on the ongoing court battle, but the whole picture is that it is a defamation case regarding the domestic violence dispute
The question is not whether trials should be public in general. The question is whether this particular trial should. Of course, answers may and will differ, but for me the answer is definitely yes.
Not because the Depp is some sort of unproblematic angel, but because this case is serving the purpose of public legitimization of considering - at the very least considering, - the idea of men being victims of the abuse.
The dominant cultural narrative tells us that men can't be victims, thy can't be mistreated when at their most vulnerable. And it doesn't matter a bit if you take the same old patriarchal trope of strong emotionless man and a passive damsel in distress and paint it with "progressive" colors. If you view the former as dangerous perpetrator instead of masculine ideal, and the latter as a victim of femicide instead of inherently obedient lesser creature, you still reinforce the stereotype that a man can't be wronged by a woman since he's still undoubtedly strong, more resourceful and practically invincible against her, no matter what.
Not only that's not always the case, that's actively harmful for male victims. They are invisible and unheard. They're not believed, they're ostracized as "not real men", they're told to "suck it and man up". Abuse against men is underreported and often dismissed even if reported.
Contemporary mainstream feminist narrative, no matter how beneficial for women (no irony and no grudge here, it is undoubtedely good to uplift unprivileged groups), did nothing to help these helpless men. It still reinforces the same toxic idea of men being "stronger by default".
I understand that it's not a feminist movement's problem. And I understand your concerns about possible repercussions for women. It's a fair perspective from the viewpoint of women's interests. Equally fair is a perspective of stigmatized men. You may have no sympathy to them and view their problems as non-relatable, but they're not obligated to somehow adopt your viewpoint against their own interests.
I had some very entertaining time to explaining regular bruises and scratches on my face to other people, since I knew for sure there was nobody to stand by my side against my abuser. I don't want other male victims to experience that.
So if this change requires any sort of public spectacle with memes from toxic stans, so be it. Maybe after this public trial some people will have a second thought before authomatically dismissing any male victim as laughable pathetic imposter.
@Indigo Rodent it is sad indeed. But in a sense one might say it is. It should not be. But the situation when either outcome may indirectly benefit male victims but somewhat undermine "always believe women" principle or vice versa, is unfortunately close to zero-sum game.
As of the rest if your comment, I tend to agree. At least as far as I can judge the situation from what was made public. But again, for good or for evil, this case is no longer about particular relationship history of two private people. Which is kinda fckd up, but alas.
love the call to union at the end 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Alice, genuine question. What is wrong with some men feeling unsafe in one room with a woman and sharing this feeling with a woman?
I think it is pretty obvious that just as there are women who were failed by the system to hold their abuser accountable, there are also men who were failed by the very same system due to false accusations. And to me personally, the fact that the first scenario sadly seems to play out much more often, doesn't invalidate the feelings of men in the second scenario...
I would never say in front of a black person that I’m afraid to get canceled by a black person that might interpret something I say as racist, I think doing that shows a clear lack of empathy and awareness. Only 2% of accusations are false allegations, there’s almost nothing to worry about. On the contrary, 81% of women have been the victims of sexual harassment or assault with heavy consequences on their lives (career, mental and physical health) you can’t show up and say you feel unsafe around me now that women are speaking up when I’m 100% more legitimate to say it and obviously don’t because women don’t say it, they act accordingly, they are cautious at night, they text when they get home, they don’t dress too sexy at work… We don’t say it because most of the time we’re not taken seriously
A man can feel insecure, you can’t control feelings but you can question them, people have felt insecure during covid around Asian people, French people around French Muslims when there were a lot of terrorist attacks, what makes the difference between those who don’t voice it and those who do is a recognition that it is disrespectful to say to someone that you feel unsafe around people like them when you know that the chances of you being a victim are extremely thin, and that their chances of being the victim/the person discriminated are super high…
@@AliceCappelle the thing is, questioning another person's feelings will never get rid of them or change the way this person feels. If anything, I think this approach is the reason why we ended up with gender inequality in the first place. How is the rhetoric "you are a woman and therefore no one gives a damn what you think or feel" different from the rhetoric "you are a man and therefore shut up about your experiences"? Obviously, we should practically prioritize solving more widespread problems (such as harassment of women and racism towards black people, for example), but it doesn't mean that the feelings of men and white people about these issues are invalid. I don't see how banning people from speaking up about their experiences is going to solve any of these problems. I believe that empathy is the only way and to me, empathy means first of all listening and trying to understand and second of all helping instead of silencing or fighting.
@@AliceCappelle Only one party is able to express concern based on the pre-conceived idea everyone has the same information and experience, and somehow it is offensive otherwise? Why choose to get offended before asking where the concern might be coming from? Where is the empathy in that? He's not trying to invalidate the initial concern, just sharing his own. That's not open discussion.
To help understand, as valid as the data on sexual assault allegations you continue to bring up may be, they are very likely not what your male friend is concerned about, hence missing that this concern is related but different to the point you want to make. More likely, he's concerned about those that never reach the court and have very real, heavy and fast acting social impact and consequences. The difficuly is tracking these statistically, but many men speak from experience of being misinterpreted as they are often the party who has to make the first steps in a social or (especially) sexual interaction.
Case in point: the very subject of this video. Johnny Depp's trial is for defamation. His career was heavily impacted on social allegations alone, ones that had no basis in court. Hence the massive pro-Johnny reaction the case is seeing: people are happy to finally see a come-upance in the face of a (acoording to public opinion) false rhetoric.
@@vladavslife Won't someone think of the men.
@@AliceCappelle Alice you’ve been indoctrinated by progressivism during your time at school. I’m sorry that you hate men. I feel sorry for your father
I don’t have a horse in this race, but I did grow up in a dysfunctional home, with a mom with similar mental health issues ( cluster B personality disorders). The entire trial was alarming and triggering, as soon as I heard ambers tapes I knew. I think it’s funny how this “mutual abuse” rhetoric started doing the rounds after evidence implied amber was in fact not a victim, and I’m curious if this same standard will be held in other publicised cases of IPV or if it’s just a flippant hand waving because this case doesn’t neatly fit into a mood we are comfortable with. Granted their personal situation is their own. But it was really weird, the zeitgeist that accompanied her public pronouncements of victimhood, and the inability of anyone else to hold her accountable upon discovery that this was not the case. I think holding men (everyone) accountable, for their behaviour is great. However, the inability to have honest conversations about the impetus and propensity for violence (psychological and physical) and not just the asymmetric outcomes from violence ( that hitting a woman has worse outcomes than hitting a man) is important. No doubt it adds to the backlash you’re seeing right now. Amber embodies some of those contradictions obviously so it’s easy to pick apart I suppose. As to the hypothetical woman out to ruin your life argument by some men, I don’t think most women are like this. From personal experience these issues reside on a spectrum and I think in her case it’s simply extreme. There is something to be said about Jonny, who seems to invite such personalities into his life, he probably had a traumatic upbringing and feels at home with those types I don’t know, or he feels like he can save them. I wish there wasn’t a backlash because I do think more needs to be done related to IPV and while I disagree in parts with the video I think it was incredibly insightful. Cheers from St Lucia.
the disclainer written on an envelope is chef's kiss!
Amber actually wanted the trial to not be televised, but Depp wanted it to be televised so he could sway the public on social media. She won the UK trial, and wanted the trial in California, as they lived in both London and LA. Depp shopped around jurisdictions, and chose Virginia because they do not have anti-slapp laws. Amber was judially handicapped by having the case tried in Virginia under a right-wing judge who sided with Depp even before the trial began.
I am in favor of trials being open to the public but not televised, because often there is a level of detail and vulnerability required of both witnesses and the accused that can have more long-term harm depending on how many people are privy to it. I can also imagine many, many people (myself included) who would have a harder time answering questions and staying composed in front of an audience that is potentially infinite, rather than however many dozens of people can fit into a given courtroom.
I'm a fan of some true crime, and I also have several friends who are not neurotypical, and I am HORRIFIED by how many cases wind up having so much emphasis placed on junk evidence like "body language" or "eye contact", which Have Been Proved not to be reliable evidence, people can practice lying, and people can seem "suspicious" for ALL SORTS OF PERFECTLY INNOCENT REASONS. And based on the way I have heard people discussing this trial (which includes people who are both trained actors and who are both potential abuse victims, either of which would be more than enough reason to not base your conclusions around anything but concrete evidence), people have been talking about who "seems to be lying" or "feels sus" or any other way of wording that they're basing their opinions on Vibes and I'm sorry but that's horrifying. And I think televising trials reinforces this belief people have in their instincts rather than actual evidence.
I've been on a jury, it was a good experience, but they began with clarifying what the standard of evidence was, clarifying that we are to begin with a Presumption of Innocence, and that we don't decide between guilty and innocent, we decide between guilty and not guilty. But the public doesn't work like that, inevitably things get sensationalized, and if you don't seem innocent enough (maybe because your body language seems off because you're not neurotypical and body language analysis (especially the armchair kind) is ableist), a lot of those watching will label you guilty, and then if the court determines on the actual evidence that you're not guilty, well, good for you, but I hope you don't mind how much of your community thinks you should be in jail because you looked too nervous or didn't make eye contact the right way.
Excellente vidéo! We also have to note for the "scared men" that less than 5% of people who get assaulted go to the police. Not only that, only 3 of 1000 cases will have legal consequences for the assailant. Personally, I do not have any AFAB friend who hasn't been assaulted by a man. It's f*cking horrible.
Maybe he was just innocent though?
The audacity of the fact that you never consider these things from the male perspective is telling, it's possible for a woman to perceive something completely innocent as a transgression; after all, women are taught that they live in a "rape culture", why wouldn't they interpret the worst of any kind of encounter with men given that feminism teaches them to expect men to be rapists?
Christ you've made it a privilege to be gay, how very fortunate I am.
@@lancewalker2595 I am not a woman, first. And I'm not straight either. We do live in a culture that diminishes the impact of rape. If society tells women that they can't openly and freely love sexuality in fear of being seen as a slut, or prude if they don't positively aknowledge an unwanted sexual comment from men, how are we supposed to get real consent? So women can't really like sex but straight men have to do it to them anyway?
The concept of consent was not clear for most of us before not that long ago. We probably all have crossed some people boundaries at one point of another. We can be better though.
I believe that understanding, compassion and empathy will make us have better relationships and more joy. I don't fuck with religions but that's what they say as well, yeah?
Gender is in our brain. But the people who have the most power in our society, pretty easy to see that straight white men do, are currently dealing with their insecurities by not admitting they were wrong. Are you able to admit that you're wrong sometimes? Would you allow yourself to see the damage you might have done in the past even if it wasn't on purpose? Didn't you grow at all in the past 10 years, and learn more about yourself and others? How hard was it to accept that you were gay? Have you accepted it yet? Why was it hard if it was/is? Being a sexologist myself, I know that a lot of gay men when through a rape in their life. Have you? I'm sorry if it happened to you. The shame we have of being different from what is lyingly sold to us, is making us do crazy things. We have to let go of our ego and shame and be better.
I certainly can admit that I was wrong on a lot of things. I do want to continue growing and help people find pleasure, joy and peace in their lives. Like I try to allow myself. Not just to focus on the fears. We're all flawed, we can all grow.
@@saml.purecats4695 I'm gay. I've had many hookup encounters, and I can't help but notice that gay men don't have any of these problems. Why might that be? Why aren't gay men experiencing these consent issues? I'm also a white man, for the record I do not accept "accountability" for anything I didn't do, but just so we're clear, what are you accusing me of?
Don't lecture me on self-awareness and the virtues of listening, do you have any idea how infuriating it is to be a male sex abuse victim and listen to feminists explain your trauma, inadequately, back to you? Ya, "empathy" isn't exactly the word I'd use for people who reduce the authentic human experiences of people like me to fit their myopic narrative just to throw it back it my face as though I were "part of the problem". Absolutely not, I reject your accusations, and I acknowledge nothing but my own dignity and authority on matters which concern myself.
I won't be treated as anything but for the person I actually am, my personal has nothing to do with your political and if you feel differently that's your problem.
@Lance Walker "listening to feminists explain your trauma, inadequately, back to you" Thank you. This has to be the most frustrating aspect in seeing support/justice as male victims of abuse, when it's assumed that your issues can be reduced to "toxic masculinity making it so I'm afraid to speak out" bro I AM speaking, you're just not listening to me because I don't line up to your preconcieved ideas of what a male victim looks like. Frustrating shit.
Um can we get more of Alice singing??? Bc dang that little bit you gave us was GOLD
I’m all the way in South Africa and I’m constantly hearing about this case on the radio’s.
so you are against television because it does not serve your worldview
Just like police officers wear bodycams so they be accoutantable and uphold the law objectively. I don't see why court cases can't be either.
My law professor told us that to be a good solicitor is to never trust your client as many clients omission stuff thinking that it might be irrelevant which could be prosecutable or actually helpful in their litigation.
True dat.
I felt each of the topics was underdeveloped in comparison with your usual videos. Felt a little superficial despite the references.
Love your analysis every time, so spot on, so respectful.
Even my thirteen year old sister has an opinion on the case! It’s wierd, the thirst for hate or blame
The ability to turn a interesting topic to a boring one is something else.
this channel is the only news outlet i trust
finally a comment section with thoughtful comments and critical thinking. i was honestly scared to click on this, i've lost so much respect for creators for joking about this case and spreading misinformation.
Maybe you're following this case in the bad parts of youtube. I've been watching the trial since the beggining in channels that simply post the trial in videos of 30 min and 60 min. There, I can always find reasonable people, who take this case seriously. But, beware, no one is defending Amber.
@@ingredi8409 If you're only watching people that refuse to defend Amber, you're only watching biased people. There are plenty of people defending Amber, just not the large creators who go with whatever opinion they think will be the most popular. Hidden True Crime is one.
No. Immediately, you got lost.
"I feel like we forgot that this whole this was about domestic violence."
WRONG. It is a DEFAMATION case. DEFAMATION.
How can you start off so wrong barely 30s into it?
This kinda threw me off for the rest of the video too. Depp sued Heard for defamation, for essentially causing him to lose jobs and ruining his public image (while she continued to thrive for years despite BOTH of them being garbage humans to each other). I believe he asked for it to be public for the sole purpose of recovering his image regardless of the actual results. And it worked too, seeing as many who used to call for his permanent cancellation and put Heard on a pedestal are now either feeling the opposite or hating on them both equally.
Lol what ahahahah
Bro their whole story is a domestic violence affair(but rn this is a defamation case)
@@lancesebastian4989, did you just answer with "you're wrong, but rn you're right" ?
What else, pledging is like having donated?
To quote you: "Lol what ahahahah"
@@themore-you-know No idiot Ahahahah
The bigger picture is that it is a domestic abuse case. The case right now surrounds the defamation case, which he lost in the UK
@@themore-you-know Or are you thinking you're still right ahahahahha
I'd also recommend Shrewsbury Prison in Shropshire, England as a better (but not perfect) ex-prison. They do have escape rooms and ghost tours, but I was pleasantly surprised going around their tour how stark it was intentionally left, how balanced the information felt, and how informative I found it. It educated me about the prison system today in the UK as well as the whole history of the prison from the Georgian times onwards, including critiques throughout.
Trials should be televised sometime, but alleged sexual assault and domestic abuse survivors should *never* be forced to give evidence on tv with their alleged abuser staring at them
It's really discouraging seeing people be like 'i don't want to choose sides'... Then we have failed if after this wave of feminism a woman can say a man r*ped her with a bottle and we are like 'm.. i don't believe you'..just because she's not the perfect victim and fought back. Domestic abuse survivors are really frightened and this approach from people who have been so adamantly feminist in the past (on matters that are more 'fun') is just a huge slap in the face and will prevent them even more from reporting or even sharing it with their friends because they think they will have no support or will force people to 'choose a side' like you said. This is a very common thing people say when there is no benefit for them getting involved or the abuser is well liked and leave a woman isolated to fend for herself, it's much more fun to chime in when the threat is theoretical or to talk about theory and Butler and Foucault. You seemed more excited to condemn Catherine Deneuve for the letter than a man who has actually beaten the shit out of his wife and sexually abused her.
Thing is that she's not the victim at all, it's the harsh truth that for leftists it takes a lot of brainpower to even consider the fact that men can be victims of abuse. The person who wasn't a perfect victim isn't Heard, it's johnny.
I'm shocked by how many people go for the "it's complicated" discourse, it's really not complicated. The existence of the trial, the economic violence, making her revive traumatic experiences while humiliating her on a massive scale is itself a disgusting display of abuse.
I’m confused about what this video is about. My first assumption, as someone who has been through a relationship with a woman who was highly abusive, was that Heard was glomming onto #meToo. But having watched/listened to most of this trial, I’ve had a very different takeaway and now think that while she may be exaggerating, there is more truth to her allegations than I would have suspected. I’m of the opinion that this trial actually isn’t about #meToo, with its references to sexual harassment, but a far more sinister toxic situation where a very troubled man who medicated with drugs and alcohol is unhinged. In Heard’s inability to tackle the situation appropriately, their relationship spiraled completely out of control into a relationship of mutual abuse. Given the public’s vitriol for Heard, even from many many women I know, it is obviously apparent that regardless of how private or public these court proceedings should or should not be, the power of expensive PR to shape public opinion is staggering. Clearly the Depp Team has flooded social media with the kind of attacks that seem utterly unfair. And in many ways this cements Heard’s argument that the machine around certain celebrities to maintain their livelihoods and the livelihoods of those in their ecosystem, tries its best to supersede justice for their own interests. There are no innocents in this trial, but this trial is more about people who desperately need psychiatric help first and then possibly court justice secondarily. Given the burden of Depp’s trial lawyers to prove defamation, as I understand it, I would not be surprised if Depp loses based on what I’ve seen. The public reaction to such a decision will be fascinating given how they’ve been ginned up.
I have a heard time to understand how you come to that conclusion. Basically everyday she gets caught for her lies and tries to explain it away with some completely unbelievable gibberish. There's multiple recordings of her admitting to being violent against him and not letting him his space when he wanted to leave a heated situation. All the other side has so far is that he took drugs.
@@missoats8731 I’m not saying she’s innocent, but if you’ve ever dealt with someone who has a serious drug problem and the volatility that goes with it, you know that dealing with those people is extremely challenging. I don’t think she’s innocent but I also think she didn’t know how to deal with a very complicated person with a serious drug problem.
@@meanpeoplerule Luckily, I don't have any experience like that, but I can imagine that it is extremely hard to deal with and to try to stay sane. I wouldn't want to spend one day with Johnny. I just also think publicly making stories up about what happened and effectively destroying the life of the other person can not be defended, no matter the circumstances.
@@missoats8731 agreed completely. As I said, I was fully ready to believe she was the main protagonist, but I believe these two were in a toxic relationship on a mission to annihilate each other. I’m not defending her, but having dealt with people like Depp before, I have a little more empathy for her position than I was initially giving her credit for. More than anything this is a tragedy of truly Shakespearean dimensions.
@@missoats8731 also, I would just note, one of the real stories here is the weaponization of social media by Depp’s team. It’s very clear to me that the smear campaign against Heard is a full throttled effort. The Twitter data scientist’s testimony alluded to the dirty tricks that are being seeded in social media.
Oh my god your videos are amazing
While we're talking about surveillance, I would really enjoy a video about surveillance in the workplace. This has always been a thing but even more so since the pandemic and the rise of the home office. I would love to know what you have to say on this topic.
Sharing opinions of mine as someone w BPD:
Misogyny made the water of people’s reactions murkier. For sure, I see it, I say so too. But to say people hate on Amber just bc they’re misogynistic, I don’t agree.
I have BPD, I am a DV victim, I have close ones who are men who are DA victims… and I heard the tapes from the trial and watched her testimony a little and saw the arm bruise photo she submitted… and I feel infuriated by how fake/exaggerated her actions were to me. I think this is valid to say, but say my view of why I hate AH🙂 was made murky by misogyny, i will start calling her a b*tch, psychopath, crazy etc etc, which i dont support!
I love that I see men coming forward with their stories. Which is my answer to people saying “how will this affect domestic abuse survivors?”. Men cant even cry without being ridiculed! (meanwhile women are claimed to be dramatic… society right)
As for the case and its effect on BPD: the truth is my BPD can actually hurt people and it has. I have been hurt myself. I thought: oh no, maybe the stigma around BPD will thicken…
But when I read some comments under the trials, I discover that people are pretty supportive when we look at the trial and saw ourselves in them making mistakes and admit we are improving, and for people who struggle to restrain from acting on thoughts of manipulating people. BPD is different for different people, you know, not all of them would simply admit to their mistakes/ some may be resistant to improvement and accountability of any kind. I think in this case, instead of just calling everything Amber does manipulative (like crying please dont leave) , they have valid feelings. But in my experience, if i dont validate myself first, the other person can try but they would receive damage. However, blaming it on the other person on another hand…
Plus we can try and understand someone with BPD like Amber but she seems to teeter between constantly framing him and begging him not to leave and objectively, that’s confusing for Depp.
Sorry for the essay maybe i should go make my own video lol
She wasn’t officially diagnosed with BPD though, an unlicensed doctor who hadn’t done enough sessions with her made that claim. So much misinformation being spread and believed 🤦🏼♀️
@@NatashaRead Dr Curry is licensed in California and Hawaii...
My mother also has BPD, she was very abusive. I know she was also a victim in her childhood, I believe her mother was very narcissistic, that's why she became BPD, but it doesn't change the fact she was abusive. That's the saddest part, you can be both a victim and an abuser, but very few people seem to realize it.
@@vs9400 Exactly! It’s so true for a lot of people that they can go through terrible things but also put people through hurt and abuse :< Sorry for what has happened to you or anyone involved❤️
I am reading these comments,jezzus they are insane,if you are not following the case,don't say Amber's the victim. There are tons of evidence against Amber,
now I think they are just gaslighting Depp which is disgusting and gross
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I noticed this too. People clearly just assumed Amber was the victim and didn't even bother to watch the trial, but were here commenting like they knew what was going on. 🙄
The reuse of prisons is pretty common in the Netherlands :) In Amsterdam there are about 5 prisons I know off which are now student accomodation or other forms of apartment/keep people alive in the madness of the housing market
I don't think that trials should be /televised/ per se, but they should definitely be public. I don't trust The State (specifically the Five Eyes here) to fairly dispense justice in a political context. If trials were public, then journalists would be able to document miscarriages of justice and corruption more legally and at less personal risk. This is very important, in my opinion, because as just a general member of the public I would like to know when my government is being shady. I'm from Australia and we get a lot of stuff swept under the rug. If journalists can access these things then in turn the public can.
I as a female actually viewed the public's agressive opinion on Heard's alleged abusive as refreshing, mostly because to me it proved that the metoo movement is not about women, but about abuse. Regardless of Heards gender, people will drag her if they think she is the abuser in this case. Heards case turning around the way it does, first gaining and now quickly losing support, makes me hopeful for the future of abuse victims; that they, regardless of their gender, will get justice.
Aside from this of course the 'justice by media' is very harmful.
EDIT: Now that I'm reading comments under this video, I wonder how brainwashed my allowance of mysogynie actually is. Specifically since I too, have a biased opinion on Amber Heard illustrated by the media storm I have watched, whether false or not.
Finding out the real story behind Amber Heard allegedly popping on Depp's bed and the audio actually being 2 hours long and giving a different meaning to what Heard says .... has been an interesting experience.
For the longest time I actually thought Depp was right and after finding out more about it I started wondering why I assumed that without doing further research. I call myself feminist, but that moment made me realize that I still need to do better.
Heard has been a victim and she is getting witch hunted more than Epstein and Harvey Weinstein were.
@@crowe3627 hi! so sorry to bother you, but can you tell me what actually happened with the whole pooping thing? thank you!
@@crowe3627 did they told the story in court?
there is alot of evidence that show that amber heard is an abuser and nothing can change that, if even johnny Depp was an abuser , it dosent change the fact that she is one too
Genuine question; What’s the full story behind the pooping on the bed that makes it ok?
If this trial was going more in Amber‘s favor I don’t think people would be so “opposed“ to the trial being televised. Amber should’ve realize before she made these claims that Johnny was not going to go out quietly and at the very least he was going to put it on television since you publicly destroyed his reputation I don’t see any other option. Plus we typically don’t see cases unfold like this live on TV so everybody needs to calm down this is not a regular occurrence that’s why it’s become so popular these last two months I don’t worry it’s over this week
hey :-) what are your sources about the public pubishment had the effect of finally giving rise to compassion? I would be very interested about learning more about that. kind regards :)
Loved you singing lol
This was an awesome video and some sick minds need to watch this who think making derogatory comments on it counts as Public Discourse.
I think this all began with the tapes released years ago, people picked a side, and it spiraled exponentially w trial footage
Yes that's ultimately it, people had their minds made up before the trial and because Johnny and his team are more concerned with the court of public opinion, they have been more worried about creating viral moments than actually proving anything-but it's worked. It doesn't matter how much evidence she puts through, they won't change their minds.
I mean, Heard pretty much confessed on the tapes, plus confirmation from their marriage counselor, Depp’s medical records, corroboration from Heard’s sister…
No video is complete without a panopticon explanation speedrun
Great video as always…