Beyond Beauty: The Predictive Power of Symmetry
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- From a bee’s hexagonal honeycomb to the elliptical paths of planets, symmetry has long been recognized as a vital quality of nature. Einstein saw symmetry hidden in the fabric of space and time. The brilliant Emmy Noether proved that symmetry is the mathematical flower of deeply rooted physical law. And today’s theorists are pursuing an even more exotic symmetry that, mathematically speaking, could be nature’s final fundamental symmetry: supersymmetry. Join some of the world’s preeminent scientists to explore the core role symmetry plays in our unraveling of nature’s deepest secrets-and catch a glimpse of profoundly important symmetries that may be awaiting us just over the horizon.
MODERATOR: John Hockenberry
PARTICIPANTS: Robbert Dijkgraaf, David Gross, Alan Lightman, Maria Spiropulu
Original Program Date: June 4, 2016
This program is part of the Big Ideas Series, made possible with support from the John Templeton Foundation.
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The Predictive Power Of Symmetry 00:00
John Hockenberry's Introduction 3:10
Participant Introductions 7:18
What are the different types of symmetry? 8:48
The symmetry of the laws of nature 12:30
How has the discussion of symmetry evolve? 17:27
Why is nature so good with symmetry? 19:54
Math and symmetry go hand and hand 25:30
How your face needs to be non symmetrical 33:20
What kind of symmetry are fractals 40:05
Gage symmetry is influencing the Higgs 46:45
Scale symmetry and the vacuum 48:50
Einstein proposed symmetry of motion 55:07
How does the multiverse theory play in to symmetry? 1:01:20
Looking at breaking symmetry 1:06:40
Gravity may not come together with the other forces 1:11:23
Theorist and Experimentalist can get along 1:18:58
Super symmetry is an enlargement of space 1:20:47
What are experimental data can we expect in the next few years? 1:23:00
Visualizing the higgs and adding more energy 1:27:20 - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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What I will say is that observation of symmetry is always illusory. CPT violation for example when addressing antimatter is fundamentally flawed as it’s negentropic over entropic thus the past is not the reverse. A philosophical miscomprehension of mathematics.
It’s the very same reason that DC electricity does not transmit well.
All rather simple but not within the taught dogma. I here assist you to comprehend the asymmetry of the universe and with it the fallacy of the philosophical interpretations. *edit.
The nonsense that a particle can exist in two places at the same time is a complete misinterpretation as a different place is a different time by definition in the first instance. Apologies. I alone have now here destroyed Nobel winning physics on numerous occasions where I cannot be proven incorrect.
At the root lies the star tetYAHedron, 🔯 generated from the tetYAHgramarten = YHWH the 4 power word! YahUah halleluYah!
@@gkeith64 LMAO. At the root is a one dimsional plane in infinte curvature. Tell ye what explain what you state
What I dislike about this is: every time they have to bring a woman in the panel. Does that make you feel politically correct. This is disgusting.
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7:18 Save yourself seven minutes if you don't particularly enjoy waffling.
Every time I listen to serious scientists I feel so small. Everything they talk about seems like magic to me and it feels very disassociated from my day-to-day reality. It is nevertheless very interesting and amazing to learn about reality but it can just be mind-boggling at the same time.
The fact that it is hard to understand science is a failure of the scientific community and humanity as a whole to properly convey the truth to people in a well rounded way. You shouldn't feel small, because not understanding something is a problem of both the student and the teacher, and something humanity needs to overcome together
The disassociation is only because you don't work as a scientist. Watch enough of these and look up any words you don't understand and, at least for me, it just kinda magically popped and when I listen to most conversations I feel like my brain skimming a book cuz they do say a lot of the same things over and over jus uaing big words because it projects/"proves" their level of intelligence. That's why it's nice that usually the question asker in these videos get them to simplify certain things. And it still gives the same amount of information rather than using words they know damn well half the audience doesn't have a doctorate in whatever niche scientific field they're working in. And don't feel small, a huge percentage of these speakers have multiple ppl working for/with them to figure out these problems. If you had multiple brains with different ways of looking at things to figure something interesting topics out you wouldn't feel small and shouldn't. You gotta understand enough or I don't feel like you'd be listening. Keep it up these are awesome and I bet you are too.
@@StonedOdie Thank you so much.
Just imagine you are genius and you will realize that at the least you are more intelligent than you give yourself credit for...
Maria Spiropulu showed some real passion in her approach, I really enjoyed that. You could say that I bubbled to another universe for a moment.
Beautiful and intelligent. Rare nowadays
Maria brought so much of the human element (passion!) to the discussion and I appreciate her contribution, enormously.
I want to kiss Maria's feet, symmetrically.
+Ace Rimmer
i have a tantalizing hint that that may happen or not :)
She brought nothing except childish emotion
@@Weird.Dreams you nasty.
@Lineage2Ertheia "childish emotion" the fuck are you talking about?
Talks by physicists appear to me like the sweetest type of sermons that I can set my ears to! Pure class
Watching that during the dark times of 2020. Damn this discussion is all that humanity should strive for.
It's nice to see differing points of view come together and actually T A L K. Let's let THAT ripple out into our societal multi-verse, eh? :-)
John Hockenberry strikes the right balance with these high power scientists.....
Thank you for submitting this into the Pool Of Knowledge ............
This is a fascinating discussion. What a brilliant group of folks!
Love to see you John
Multiverse is David's trigger.
Thanks for these talks. Love them.
Rightfully so : multiverse is total crap
This man is BRILLIANT! Beautiful illustrations of his ideas
I ❤ you Universe! 🎩
I just started to watch the video, so thanks in advance for making such a profound and unheard of discussion on physics.
while the states are asymmetrical the laws are symmetrical I wish science vulgarization authors would have this level of discernment from time to time it would be refreshing
"This is a tantalizing hint, it could be anything including nothing!"
- Maria S -
Too bad the intro did not mention that the brain on psychedelics sees symmetry and fractals everywhere. It is very telling about how the mind is wired.
@@davidyancey2807 You may spot features that people would otherwise overlook, but you cannot possibly perceive what you cannot sense (i.e. behind a wall). You may imagine it, but that is out of your prior knowledge of such pattern, and the one you happen to be looking at may be exceptionally different (you cannot tell if it is).
@@kaielvin you say it's impossible. Those are your limits not mine.
@@davidyancey2807 THAT'S A BAR.
@D.J. W Isn't it precisely what we call "reality"? (whatever hallucination that we all seem to agree upon).
@@davidyancey2807 I have been very close personally to a paranoid schizophrenic. She never hallucinated anything profound, or reminiscent of LSD- She hallucinated her worst fears and nightmares happening-her daughter being molested, husband cheating on her, being raped or killed, etc. I find it hard to believe being schizophrenic has anything to do with reality, quite the opposite.
I have to say it ..... I love this channel. TVM for your work...
Thank you world science festival for sharing this.
Learned very much from Maria's narrative!!
Best conversation I've heard all week. As the grand experiment continues and consciousness expands proportional to super symmetry and space.
That David fellow is a beautiful speaker. I could listen to him talk about space-time symmetries all day long.
this is one of the better WSF discussions!
So beautiful talk.. more beautiful than any symmetry
Symmetry is nature's way of doing half the work and getting the other half for free.
I could listen to Hexagon Bee Guy infodump ALL DAY
yay Hockenberry! love this guy
Tell me does he use his crutch to be borderline rude to people or is he rude because he is crippled ?
Awesome discussion.
Why is nature symmetrical? Because it's the most productive and simple. Nature also thinks about productivity and resources, nothing is wasted, everything is used. Great contribution.
What I wish is that "hobby" physicians should also be invited to such a debate, because they see things from a different perspective and give answers that "professional" physicians would not think at all
A very extraordinary presentation... Very stimulating
Outstanding show and guests
Pretty good stuff. His theories!!!
This was excellent!
Hello, I found that sometimes they were confusing 'constancy' or what they called " invariance" with ' symmetry ' but the soundbite that will stay with me is " Nature is an ongoing experiment "... VERY nice :-)
They weren't confusing them, invariance and constancy ARE forms of symmetry in physics.
Oners82 Hello; clearly I need to brush up on my physics, thank you for your comment and have a good day :-)
that quote is like the definition of the universe; just a big ol' experiment
WOW!!!! Loving all the four great arguments on Symmetry, from the tinyest snowflake to the intricate design of the honeycomb. I also heard that some of the world's most beautiful people have perfect symmetry when their faces are measured. (I hope the word tinyest is spelt correctly!!! . Whoops.!!!!!).
And I think that's why when people fast, take a vow of celibacy or silence, or walk the peaceful path, they start dealing with a perception of people refer to as the unseen. It's the higher things that we seek as humansAnd ironically they have nothing to do with keeping our bodies alive or passing our DNA on
Excellent discussion!!!!
Watching the most brilliant minds talk always gets me so hyped!
Yeah, Tik Tok is good
Bees actually make circular cells but the pressure that each bee makes on the out side of that circle while making their own circular cell pushes the cells into each other, causing them to form hexagons.
Don't you think they could be doing it on purpose to form a hexagon. It isn't any random pressure that forms a perfect hexagon.
@@koolankush6300 I wouldnt call it "random" pressure. its always the same circular design but if you take soft cylinders and push them together in the drive to use as little space as possible, they will produce hexagons. I dont think you can assert that bees know that hexagons save more space than other shapes. I believe this has already been proven but you can also see evidence of this by the inside diameter shape...the hexagon is emergent as an function of filling all space available as the bees' instinctual programming prevents them from leaving gaps. You can see other examples of unintentional shapes being formed from fractals where the shapes we see are an emergent property of the math not that the math intends to make those shapes.
This host tries to make the subject come out to the people. Thank you for that. I feel it was good from the host. I just hope the main people on the stage did not feel overwhelmed
great info
Lively panel discussion!
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6:38 - People say they're weary of politics, but they just can't stop talking about it. Surely we have better things to do than obsess over that all the time.
What a great moderator! Great talk!
Amazing!
Awesome - we like it ☺
Oh heck yeah. Friday science festival, my body is ready
Love the Bees ❤
Excellent panel and excellent moderator. Thank you
21:15 for those who debate about flat vs round earth, here's the explanation.
Balanced and ordered shows ORDER. And with order comes intelligence. And with intelligence comes design. ==== Evolution = Self Assembling Atoms = Impossible =====
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Shiv Linga in india is an example of symmetry...flowers .fruits.seeds, human scul, and limbs are in symmetrical order...Symmetry is a pattern of language in nature.. Asymmetric is a behaviour of human nature .. but man of wisdom likes every thing in symmetrical order.. yes Symmetry is hard to define but not hard to accept or experience.
In short symmetry is an uniformality inherent in nature... Therefore some people love. flowers.leaves, and fruits which are representative of universal symmetry..
God is geomater. Some one said.
Whenever physicists talk, how long does it take at the longest for Einstein to come up?:)
Depends how fast there talking
100% likely within the time of a reasonable account of the subject, although the precise moment is not mechanically defined in advance.
15 minutes and 25 seconds approx.
For ever , he is deceased.
They dont when talking about quantum physics. He hated quantum physics. Probably would have been helpful to him if he would have known what a fractal was
I just love fractals!
And blotter
The illusion of symmetry enables Nature to create an entire spectrum of uniquely individual, quasi-symmetrical forms.
1:13:28
محاضرة العالم المصرى الكبير الاستاذ محمد النشائى بامريكا The Universe as a Golden Supercomputer
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I am somewhere just after the one-hour Mark within the first 10 minutes of that and I'd like to respectfully suggest that our universe is not a causally connected to other universes but that it is likely that other universes and ours must be correlated in a causal way. Our universe may even be contained wholly within another yet larger universe in the process of exploding and our exponential expansion is caused by by virtue of that juxtaposition.
Funny how you see people respond to comments that are years old, then again we can’t assume what velocity the original commenter is travelling at.
The asymmetrical consciousness of super symmetry presented in an asymmetrical conscious universe!
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The symmetry of "particle-types" does not imply for every particle there is another, somehow geo- temporal and spacially related to it...so, for me, the symmetry of Supersymmetry is like a diagram with two columns, and it doesn't feel like it should surprise me given even something as simple as a square root has two solutions. I'm also uncomfortable 15 minutes in because what I hear is ineloquence. Weaving symmetry and fractals into a classical geometry, may not be easy in a setting where the host barks questions, doesn't listen to answers, mocks his guests and generally trivialises their attempt to follow his ever changing agenda.
Thermodynamics cycles in equalization of quatamized fields of force holding mass together, in unification of cold fusion. Snow flakes, hydrogen, galaxies, all mass. Magnetic fields are grander cycling patterns of mass in equalization to cold resistance. Momentum cycling patterns through quantization of mass in gravitational fields of forced flow, cycling equally is symmetrical force in all mass. Thermodynamics variations affecting mass in various degrees of frequencies in avoidance of cold resistance patterns. Harmonics harmonization increases fluidity into solidity. Thermodynamics accumulates or decreases in resistance producing equalization of forces. Alpha and Omega. Heat and cold coexist throughout space. Symmetrical is equalization of outward pressures in resistance to opposing forces. When thermodynamics can no longer be held in gravitational fields of cold fusion in equalization, cold stripping thermodynamics away begins to decay the fluidity of mass, then its solidity. Symmetrical stationary cold negative field of resistance that is space. The opposite of motion is stationary. Cold is a repellant. Cold repels heat. Heat is a propellant. Perpetual motion. Heat and cold coexist. Vacuum doesn't exist. Space is a stationary cold negative field of resistance that is symmetrical. It is in mass transferring through mass as mass travels through space. Cold transference passes through mass as perpetual motion. Mass is repelled by cold resistance throughout space as motion momentum. It's what creates gravitational and magnetic fields of cycling thermodynamics. Magnetic fields can attract. Gravitational fields do not. Quatamized gravitational field of unification of mass in cold fusion of equalization. Thermodynamics is outward pressure held in gravitational and magnetic fields. Thermodynamics is all known forces of energy. Different degrees of thermodynamics.
wow that was the best explanation of what exactly the large collider does that I've ever heard and she's a great speaker, hope she's in more of these
They still didn't fire this annoying moderator?
1:17:00 wait for it...the perfect example of multiverse.
The things tend to balance. All forces contribute to this. A water in a irregular recipient, find a symmetry...
Sacred Geometry
The woman is great, the Best
Great people of Physics .
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They still don't get that universes (or at least ours is entwined with an "anti" universe). PLEASE, look at the twin Universes theory... It even was calculated and all, ut was forgotten entirely and it was a french that did the maths. and it's vey hard to find infos about it. But it does make a lot of sense and would or could help explain lots of dark zones of physics today!
Symmetry is to remarkable to be irrelevant, there must be purpose in it.
Tritone...mmm the most symmetrical interval exactly half of an octave in 12TET (which by the way is not that symmetrical)
Do not forget symmetry come from golden ratio : symmetry of all scale a/b = (a+b)/a symmetry with special relativity of symmetry of space-time by M = m/(1-(v/c)^2)^0.5, let m/M = (v/c)^2 = x, (x^2+x-1=0), to GR symmetry of momentum equivalence with potential energy of gravity, to gm/c^2 of Hawking's black hole S = k*A/(2*l)^2 to l =gm/c^2, to E*L = CH symmetry at quantum world as noether theorem conserve angular momentum energy as ch equal to higgs field turn into matter by ch/c^2 = h/c = pm*pl/(4*pi/3) = A*f*e, H = 2*pi*h to CH/C^2 = (2*pi*pl)*(pm/(4*pi/3)) = (2*pi*A*f)*e as string of 2*pi*r time it's density as momentum as matter, inside of string as it's potential energy as it's antimatter which will annihilate with matter turn into vacuum energy CH as dynamic of space-time, oscillation between energy and matter create light from Atom as gravity (wave) from proton to proton, because antimatter inside matter that we can not feel, but it is here all of time, universe still preserve symmetry of matter-antimatter.
It was very strange, to say the least (the word «scandal» comes to mind...) that there were a couple of references to Einstein but none to Emmy Noether...
Hello, and a good Night. I am a lover of order. I mean to be abel to use symétrie, super symétrie and above as a good way to predict and maybe to do a replacement of the momentum, clock,and basicly the hole concept of the first Puch , the initial, never get entropy in the way. Never have to deal with this horrible Word "End" sincères amitiés 😎
Is this subject is a matter how to valued this in human nature as well.
We use Fibonacci numbers in futures trading to look for support and resistance levels.
Hey, next time you upload a video from tape, have your editor 'de interlace' the footage, it will get rid of the bands the video. :)
Just a thought here. I am postulating the Universe is mostly but not completely symmetrical. I am thinking that if everything in the Universe was completely symmetrical, and a perfect balance ensued Universally throughout spacetime, then theoretically there would be nothing to tip the perfect balance of stable matter into an ongoing variable speed timeline progressing matter all throughout the Universe to change states perpetually with a naturally occurring forward momentum of altering states of infinite transitions. I believe that Gravity is the only non-symmetrical force, that breaks the balance of matter in spacetime propelling all matter forward in spacetime throughout the Universe. I also believe that Gravity is faster than light and is capable, if strong enough, to control the flow of time in every Galaxy and without it no matter in spacetime would ever be in a state of progression or regression respectively and depending but be forever locked in it's current original state without the ability to change from one form to another. Therefore Gravity tips the Universal Super Symmetry and IS the Prime Mover of the entire Universe and all it's dimensions and should not be classified with the other forces, just used as variables in equations as G or L, which is alone a perfectly balanced pair, as "G"ravity or "L"evity...
Now with that said, Electromagnetism is Gravity as well so here's my question. What elements are needed and how many Volts and at what frequency will it take to create a Gravity as strong as a black hole??? In a theory of mine this is how we will achieve dimensional phasing, teleportation, cloaking, and faster than light speeds and more.
Could you explain to me what you exactly mean by sayin that electromagnetism is grvity too?
conversation started off good and died down, entropy.
Oh boy I caught that last line on the no hair theorem and symmetry! Sweet talk
The deeper you look, the less that symmetry matters.
The deeper you look into a person, the less symmetry matters
I suspect symmetry is somehow a necessary component of existence. The universe has ways to keep itself in balance. It's why thought experiments about time travel lead to so many paradoxes. The universe is logical and must be in order to exist.
Sooo, at the end it was 'nothing'. Right?
A Perfect Circle
The most beautifull theorem in Mathematics is said to be Eiler's theorem
I think first we need to get rid of concept of =, nothing in nature is exactly the same, so this symbol is false.
It should be replaced with two additional symbols >< and , describing special conditions of expected results we try to calculate.
Asymmetry lies in the core of theory of numbers, process of adding and subtracting, but from what, there are values everywhere we start with, it's never zero.
Asymmetry is the dominant paradigm
ImaginarilyInc I asymmetry is actually simmetry in a big scale
Brian Greene would have had to much class to allow that comment!
Energy is difference in two potentials.
This principle of nature must be connected with fact we live in material universe, but this can also be just an illusion because we can't say when process will be completed. Maybe matter and antimatter just didn't annihilate yet, but they will in future. But there is another approach to this problem.
We could be living inside the boundary of positive and negative space, all we can see are two different potentials, maybe they are part of two different dimensions we are not aware of, we are just effect of interactions, not living in any real dimension of spacetime. We feel alive because we can remember past, memory is symmetrical to our prediction of the future, not to our sense of now and here. We know there must be future because we sense physical potentials will equalize somehow. No law could predict cosmic microwave background radiation will evolve in today's shape, so there must be chaos in the core of symmetry itself. Maybe we could build a model where all symmetrical properties are ignored, irregularities must be shape of things nature tends to, in snowflake shapes geometrical errors there must be signs of phase change to droplets, in example. Why would breaking of symmetry cause phase change at all, things should just turn to chaos, not to another form of order, this could mean there are stable realities outside world we live in.
What is the music at the end?
SYMMETRY IS BEAUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
The face halfs job is technically sloppy. 34:22. The right picture after about 40 seconds of comparing back and forth I suddenly realized that the right halves are further apart than the lefts. There's more but I'm tired of typing. I do oil paint portraits so I can see that his or her distances of replacement aren't perfect. The more ears showing on the right one led me to the space between the eyes not being the same.
The guys right picture's halves are further apart too. I caught it by the width of the bridge of his nose.
just tell me what the blobs pictured in the vacuum are - if they’re not waves / energy ? Did he say “ there’s still some energy “ ? What is he calling “scale” ?
14:15 - You now, Hockenberry isn't *nearly* as funny as he thinks he is. It's actually not necessary to crack jokes *all the time*. You've got these brilliant minds here - LET THEM TALK.
I can type super fast and spell very well! All i do on my down time is watch WORLD SCIENCE FESTIVAL:) ??
How important is this for the subject
Was this in Sydney?