Just realized that Roger is one of the Atreides captives who fights and loses to Feyd-Rautha in the Giedi Prime arena. Does he also appear as an Atreides officer in Dune Part One? (The one who commands "Shields" in the Arrakis arrival scenes?)
I dig the fact that he's so awesome at his job that they said "Y'know what? Let's give him the baddest-ass day-player role in the entire film, where he almost takes out the new antagonist because he's that good."
Man this guy really knows his stuff, I actaully spoke to him on Twitter after Dune part1 such a cool guy and had no problem answering my questions. And he really showed his skill in part2 especially the last fight Paul v Feyd choreography was next level.💯
3:28 I love how he mentions Jamis' total conviction as the thing that got Paul through in the end to win the final fight and not just wind up as a martyr. Also the theme of managing to win a fight, but forever being changed by it, hearkens to one of the oldest stories of mankind - the Illiad. When Achilles bests Hector, but afterwards for some reason he cannot find peace with himself for doing so until the book ends after Hector's father convinces him to allow his fallen enemy a proper burial (and with it his humanity that he had denied in his fury up until then). A lot of people don't realize it, but this theme I felt was expressed by Denis far clearer in his version of Dune (even if I really miss Jamis' funeral scene) and boy does it resonate and work well!
Just goes to show you how much truth there is in the assertion that there are no new stories, just reiterations of the same key elements over the millennia of a handful of the same handful of stories and alterations to the way they are told. Even modern concerns about artificial intelligence go back to Ancient Greece and are composed of the same hopes and fears. Turtles all the way down. And that's not a bad thing - the ancient stories developed as a response to the human condition, and have survived for so long because they were tested and tested and tested again for centuries before they were ever written down, so they deeply resonate with us.
It's frustrating to see Jamis become Paul's spiritual teacher in his visions, and yet at the same time Jamis' actual funeral from the book where Paul bives moisture to the dead was cut. Because in the book Paul is greiving his loss of innocence and the Fremen misinterpret this as remorse and so they believe him when he says, "I was friend fo Jamis." but this Paul doesn't actually know who Jamis even was. The movie Paul does because of his prescient visions but he doesn't get to geive. Which is a shame because it would have been out would have truely outdone the source material in my opinion.
I agree, but they could only include so much, obviously, and the film was already two hours and forty-five minutes long. They cut the dinner scene in the first film too, as it is interesting but not necessary to the story. I was amazed at how Villeneuve managed to balance all the plot threads as it was. Insane book to adapt.
The overall message of the story is that Paul becoming a messiah is bad. Where Herbert really takes things above and beyond what is normally considered his magnum opus is what he does with Leto II. Everything Paul is Leto is that cranked up to eleven. More psychic ability. More political power. More mythology and divine reverance. A bigger jihad. An iron reign lasting three thousand years. And it's just as ambiguous as how the first book was received, _but this time it's on purpose.- Herbert made the most extreme version of Paul he could, but you can't tell if this is the _best_ version of what Paul could have been; what he had failed to be, or the _worst_ version of what Paul could have been. The idea of an absoulte dictator taken to it's utmost limit. How oppressive could oen man's rule possibly be? How far could hero worship lead us astray? And what comes out of this si what Herbert wanted to come out of the original Dune: the evil of hero worship becomes so ingrained into the collective psyche of mankind that they scatter from each other across the universe as far and wide as they possibly can and they never allow an individual to amass that kind of power ever again. Even the Bene Gesserit actively avoid producing another Kwisatz Haderach.
I agree. I don't think they can possibly adapt God-Emperor, though. The book is loaded with dialogue and internal dialogue, way more so than Dune, and has nothing cinematic about it. I struggled to keep from losing interest at times due to Herbert's giant exposition dumps. It ended well, though. The other thing Leto does is breed prescience out of humanity, so nobody can become trapped by it ever again. It is the weirdest book that I've ever read. It is truly unadaptable for the big or small screen. Besides all the philosophizing, all the characters except one from the first book are gone. That would be a really tough sell to a studio. We're fortunate to even get two superb Dune films at all, and least one more. Personally I think Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are the same story, and I like how that was managed in the 2003 miniseries. Whether Denis is going to include elements of the latter book - well, in Paul's vision Alia is a grown woman. She was 15 in Dune Messiah. Maybe they'll just move the timeline ahead from 12 years to 20.
"Herbert made the most extreme version of Paul he could, but you can't tell if this is the _best version of what Paul could have been; what he had failed to be, or the worst version of what Paul could have been." I feel as if Leto II is the ideal of the Kwisatz Haderach personified. The Bene Gesserit did not get exactly what they wanted from Paul, starting with Jessica's simple decision to have a boy rather than a girl, but I feel as if Leto II (through happenstance and genetic breeding both) became exactly what they were aiming for - though the BG would never come even close to controlling either Paul or Leto II. And I loved his own posthumous message to them, that Darwi Odrade discovers a millenia later in Heretics, that because the BG couldn't find it within themselves to collectively and more clearly lead humanity and preferred to manipulate it from the shadows instead, in the end it all fell down to him to fulfill the Golden Path - the Scattering of humanity as well as introducing a gene into it that defies the powers of presience. In many ways God Emperor is Leto II's titanic personal tragedy, which only at the very end buys humanity the one guarantee it did not have before - that no matter what else happens in the future, it will never be capable of destroying itself and that it will survive.
@@loonie5468 About the only interesting thing in Heretics for me (my pwn opinion - I found most of it a very, very weird and garbled mess) was that scene.
In the book Paul was superior to Feyd in every way, thanks to his prescience he knew his movements before he made them. He was toying with Feyd, basically showed off his power. They really reduced Paul's power in the movie, especially after he awoke as the Kwisatz Haderach. When the Reverend Mother spoke about "A power this world has not yet seen. The ultimate power." in the movie, that's the sense of Paul you actually got in the book. I understand Roger Yuan did what was asked of him and that's a struggling Paul who almost loses, but it's not faithful to the original.
You fought well, Atreides.
Just realized that Roger is one of the Atreides captives who fights and loses to Feyd-Rautha in the Giedi Prime arena. Does he also appear as an Atreides officer in Dune Part One? (The one who commands "Shields" in the Arrakis arrival scenes?)
Yes, Lanville appears in Part One in a few scenes, including as you noted, the "Shields" guy.
oh yeah he is!
He appears multiple times.
he’s the atreides soldier paul handed that sand compactor to after duncan showed it to paul
I dig the fact that he's so awesome at his job that they said "Y'know what? Let's give him the baddest-ass day-player role in the entire film, where he almost takes out the new antagonist because he's that good."
Yeah he is GOATED. His only good big role was in Chandni Chowk to China back in 2009
Save this for "The Making of Villeneuve's Dune" documentary 10 years from now.
Hearing Roger talk about these fight scenes is almost as good as watching them. Articulate and passionate, I could listen an hour of this
Man this guy really knows his stuff, I actaully spoke to him on Twitter after Dune part1 such a cool guy and had no problem answering my questions. And he really showed his skill in part2 especially the last fight Paul v Feyd choreography was next level.💯
damn not only is this guy a good choreographer he knows the source material well and has insights into the character's psychology, amazing.
The fighting in these movies is next level/ Thank you, Roger and your stunt fighters.
3:28 I love how he mentions Jamis' total conviction as the thing that got Paul through in the end to win the final fight and not just wind up as a martyr. Also the theme of managing to win a fight, but forever being changed by it, hearkens to one of the oldest stories of mankind - the Illiad. When Achilles bests Hector, but afterwards for some reason he cannot find peace with himself for doing so until the book ends after Hector's father convinces him to allow his fallen enemy a proper burial (and with it his humanity that he had denied in his fury up until then). A lot of people don't realize it, but this theme I felt was expressed by Denis far clearer in his version of Dune (even if I really miss Jamis' funeral scene) and boy does it resonate and work well!
Just goes to show you how much truth there is in the assertion that there are no new stories, just reiterations of the same key elements over the millennia of a handful of the same handful of stories and alterations to the way they are told. Even modern concerns about artificial intelligence go back to Ancient Greece and are composed of the same hopes and fears. Turtles all the way down.
And that's not a bad thing - the ancient stories developed as a response to the human condition, and have survived for so long because they were tested and tested and tested again for centuries before they were ever written down, so they deeply resonate with us.
Seeing this guy in the film, you would never expect him to be in his 60s. He is still in insane shape
Holy shit, he's 63. I thought he was in his 40s.
Roger Yuan👏
This man has defined action in Hollywood
Thank you, Mr. Yuan, your hard work paid off in both films.
I Remember you in a Walker Texas ranger episode, Lazarus ❤️ nice Memories
Great to have this gem 💎 from behind the scenes. Austin and Timothee 👏
It was such a horror show in the Giedi Prime Colosseum, that I was rooting for him.
"That slave gladiator almost took you, didn't he?"
"Yes."
He voiced a Chinese wagon driver in the Disney animated feature film Home on the Range (2004).
It's frustrating to see Jamis become Paul's spiritual teacher in his visions, and yet at the same time Jamis' actual funeral from the book where Paul bives moisture to the dead was cut.
Because in the book Paul is greiving his loss of innocence and the Fremen misinterpret this as remorse and so they believe him when he says, "I was friend fo Jamis." but this Paul doesn't actually know who Jamis even was. The movie Paul does because of his prescient visions but he doesn't get to geive. Which is a shame because it would have been out would have truely outdone the source material in my opinion.
I agree, but they could only include so much, obviously, and the film was already two hours and forty-five minutes long. They cut the dinner scene in the first film too, as it is interesting but not necessary to the story. I was amazed at how Villeneuve managed to balance all the plot threads as it was. Insane book to adapt.
You faught well Atreides.
*thaught
@@shroomanox *taught lol
@@UniqueGeekFreak *toght
he is lieutenant lanville from the house of arthritis
😆 lol.... Atreides
Lieutenant Lanville
you got to many water..Atreides, you cool guy Roger
I wish he had talked about his own fight scene.
SHIELDS
This man is very HOT.
The overall message of the story is that Paul becoming a messiah is bad.
Where Herbert really takes things above and beyond what is normally considered his magnum opus is what he does with Leto II.
Everything Paul is Leto is that cranked up to eleven. More psychic ability. More political power. More mythology and divine reverance. A bigger jihad. An iron reign lasting three thousand years.
And it's just as ambiguous as how the first book was received, _but this time it's on purpose.- Herbert made the most extreme version of Paul he could, but you can't tell if this is the _best_ version of what Paul could have been; what he had failed to be, or the _worst_ version of what Paul could have been. The idea of an absoulte dictator taken to it's utmost limit. How oppressive could oen man's rule possibly be? How far could hero worship lead us astray?
And what comes out of this si what Herbert wanted to come out of the original Dune: the evil of hero worship becomes so ingrained into the collective psyche of mankind that they scatter from each other across the universe as far and wide as they possibly can and they never allow an individual to amass that kind of power ever again. Even the Bene Gesserit actively avoid producing another Kwisatz Haderach.
Interesting
I agree. I don't think they can possibly adapt God-Emperor, though. The book is loaded with dialogue and internal dialogue, way more so than Dune, and has nothing cinematic about it. I struggled to keep from losing interest at times due to Herbert's giant exposition dumps. It ended well, though.
The other thing Leto does is breed prescience out of humanity, so nobody can become trapped by it ever again.
It is the weirdest book that I've ever read. It is truly unadaptable for the big or small screen. Besides all the philosophizing, all the characters except one from the first book are gone. That would be a really tough sell to a studio. We're fortunate to even get two superb Dune films at all, and least one more. Personally I think Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are the same story, and I like how that was managed in the 2003 miniseries.
Whether Denis is going to include elements of the latter book - well, in Paul's vision Alia is a grown woman. She was 15 in Dune Messiah. Maybe they'll just move the timeline ahead from 12 years to 20.
"Herbert made the most extreme version of Paul he could, but you can't tell if this is the _best version of what Paul could have been; what he had failed to be, or the worst version of what Paul could have been."
I feel as if Leto II is the ideal of the Kwisatz Haderach personified. The Bene Gesserit did not get exactly what they wanted from Paul, starting with Jessica's simple decision to have a boy rather than a girl, but I feel as if Leto II (through happenstance and genetic breeding both) became exactly what they were aiming for - though the BG would never come even close to controlling either Paul or Leto II. And I loved his own posthumous message to them, that Darwi Odrade discovers a millenia later in Heretics, that because the BG couldn't find it within themselves to collectively and more clearly lead humanity and preferred to manipulate it from the shadows instead, in the end it all fell down to him to fulfill the Golden Path - the Scattering of humanity as well as introducing a gene into it that defies the powers of presience. In many ways God Emperor is Leto II's titanic personal tragedy, which only at the very end buys humanity the one guarantee it did not have before - that no matter what else happens in the future, it will never be capable of destroying itself and that it will survive.
@@loonie5468 About the only interesting thing in Heretics for me (my pwn opinion - I found most of it a very, very weird and garbled mess) was that scene.
In the book Paul was superior to Feyd in every way, thanks to his prescience he knew his movements before he made them. He was toying with Feyd, basically showed off his power. They really reduced Paul's power in the movie, especially after he awoke as the Kwisatz Haderach. When the Reverend Mother spoke about "A power this world has not yet seen. The ultimate power." in the movie, that's the sense of Paul you actually got in the book. I understand Roger Yuan did what was asked of him and that's a struggling Paul who almost loses, but it's not faithful to the original.
They're probably saving that for the next film
The fight scene is more suspenseful, though. I'm glad they changed it. But otherwise, it is very clear how powerful Paul has become.