@@Harveyy1011he’s saying their reasoning as to why Saka can’t be on doesn’t make sense when Ade questioned if Foden should be in, realised he has 14 in all competitions and suddenly it’s a no-brainer.
@@harveythatguy2757 I’m not saying it’s his fault, but missing 2 months of the season surely isn’t a good thing for your player of the season credentials. To clarify, I think he’s been great and right up there, but the original comment was saying like it’s more impressive when really not being available isn’t good
This is why some Liverpool fans annoy the $hit out of me. Saying that Salah is NOT our best player this season is literally INSANE !! he 's the second top scorer ( missing some games coz of AFCON) & he has the most assists. He would've had at least 5 more if Nunez had a better finishing skill. We are the top of the league mainly because of HIM HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON. END OFF
As a Liverpool fan I’d have jones as our player of season, Yes salah numbers are insane but that’s salah it’s not disrespectful his brilliance is just expected now, id put jones above because Liverpool even with salah shouldn’t be in a title fight after our midfield got destroyed in summer yet we are and leading the race and I feel jones has been huge on us making the new midfield work
Palmer is single handedly dragging a mediocre team and manager. Chelsea would be in a relegation battle if not for him. Meanwhile Saka isn't even Arsenal's best player this season
@TP-pq9xx On paper yes, but on the pitch there's no difference between Saka occupying a touchline position vs Palmer or Foden playing slightly deeper than a traditional forward. Because Foden has a loose role it prevents teams from setting up against him tactically, whereas Saka doesn't get that benefit and has 3/4 players closing him down virtually every time he enters the final third. There's no way you can clearly discount Saka while praising guys who put up inferior numbers in a lot of important per 90 metrics if you're not biased
@TP-pq9xx Nope. One you can take penalties off, because he'd be punished for missing them so he must be praised for converting. There is no difference between a winger and a CAM sometimes pushing to CF (Foden). I'd get your point if Saka was a right forward like Salah but no. Saka is a classic touchline winger. When played in the wing btw Foden is useless against a top side.
@@3bladeninja21 when you watch saka it’s not that, you don’t go wow that’s a crazy player, you get frustrated with him at times because he can play much better. And he hasn’t revitalised the attack of Arsenal they are the same as last season. Rice has added more to the attack with his balls into the box
Saka has already equalled his g/a tally from last season. He’s putting serious output in and he’s at the front of our title. Might not look glamorous to these two but what he’s doing right now is ridiculous.
That’s the thing, these two expect him to be doing fancy tricks and crazy dribbles down the touchline because they see him as a winger, but arteta is actually playing him a lot more as a finisher/box threat, and cares more about his G/A efficiency than any silly tricks or skill moves he could pull off.
No he hasn't, he's on 12 g+a. He had over 10 for both last year, he was famously the forst to reach that & for a while the only one other than messy to get that in eu big 5 as every media outlet let us know that
1. Udogies job is offensive more than defensive. 2. We have players missing especially defenders. 3. Our style leaves us open defensively. Have some respect if u don't know ball don't speak
Needs to improve on the ball (he has the ability but he's wildly inconsistent) but as a pure defender there is genuinely no one better - he's right in the top bracket across Europe.
@@donuts7627 isak is the worst shout of all time 😂😂😂😂 adebayo has 1 less goal than him, hwang hee-chan has the same number of goals, and Bowen has got more 😂😂 he’s nowhere near the conversation this season
It’s crazy how a player can normalise being so good every season that they have to be unbelievable to get their flowers. Salah left for Afcon top scorer & top assister, got injured came back and dropped a goal & assist like he never left the guy is insane. If you watch Liverpool you can genuinely see that he’s a level above everyone at Liverpool and the opposition.
@@motion1118as an Arsenal fan I think Van Dijk has been awesome fwiw. And I know Liverpool fans watch their team more intently as do Arsenal fans for their own but Gabriel has been sensational too so he does deserve a big shout.
Saka is on pace for a 30 Goals/Assists season this year. That is an all time level season. For context: since the Prem was founded ‘92 there have been 51 individual seasons where a player has gotten 30G/A in a season. 12 of those seasons were recorded in 92/93, 93/94 & 94/95 when there were 42 games and not 38. So in a 38 game season there has only been 39 individual 30G/A seasons. Christiano Ronaldo has only 1 30G/A season in the Prem, his 07/08 Ballon d’or year (37G/A). I am not saying Saka is playing as well as CR7 did that year. Not at all. My point is this. You reach a certain level of statistical productivity where “doesn’t pass the eye test” doesn’t apply. Just means that your assessment of what you are seeing is just wrong. Like you can’t say that CR7 at United was better than at Madrid because he dribbled more and was prettier to watch. Maharez is one of the best wingers in PL history. Besides strength and speed Mahrez is probably better than Salah at everything else, however Salah is the better winger because his output is better beyond the point of deniability. Saka is objectively having an amazing season. I have rice and Saliba ahead of him for PotS but to say that he is having a poor/worse season is simply inaccurate.
@TP-pq9xx 19G/A in 24 appearances. That’s 0.79/game. 0.79 multiplied by 38 = 30.02. I’m not gonna fight you over 1G/A pace though. Haaland, Salah & Watkins are all having fantastic seasons. Everyone acknowledges it with them but supposedly Saka isn’t playing well this season. Kinda my whole point. Also Haaland, Salah & Watkins all take penalties as well if I am not mistaken. So that kinda cancels out. Foden is a great player, having a great season I’m not really speaking about him or comparing them. I’m contextualising Saka’s season historically. Saka is on pace for an all time level season which means you can’t make the argument that he is having a poor season. Objectively he isn’t. That’s all I’m saying.
@TP-pq9xx The idea that Foden plays in the midfield is stupid. He starts in the midfield but that is not his in game position. He alternates between either wings or second striker when City are dominating possession (99% of the time) . Maximum Foden will revert to is attacking forward. Foden in game is an attacker. Also Saka was called a monkey for missing pens. If you get criticised for missing pens you must get praised for scoring.
@TP-pq9xx on your Foden point according to Transfermarkt he has played 18 games as a RW, 6 as a LW, 10 as an AM and 1 as a CF. He is playing as an attacker as much as Saka is. You can hardly use one to discredit the other. They both are having great seasons. I’m not here trying to debate that because it’s arbitrary and there is no winning. I’m glad you like Foden a lot though.
Literally, salah is by far the best winger in the league, but Saka is also by far the second best, there’s no point discussing wingers without those two (how is Foden number 1 on their list 😭)
Foden has been incredible..funny enough even when he dont score he's still the best player on the pitch..Saka has been awefull for 90% of the season..for half of the season arsenal fans have been complaining about how awful saka and odegard have been..foden hasn't even been a winger much, he's been a 10@Football_Advanced
@@shazamarkham not halv the season, no one was saying he was underperforming the first 15 games. Saka had a bad period of 5-8 games. That’s far from hack the season(19 games)He is back now.
It's all down to expectations... The same way Modric won Ballon D'or over CR7 and Messi.... He didn't individually play better than those 2 but when it comes to expectations, Modric exceeded expectations and those 2, by their standards had an alright season... If it was any other player with Messi and CR7's performances that year people would have praised that player
Saka won young player of the year and was nominated for player of the year last season and he's already surpassed his stats from last season. There is no way in hell he isn't in the debate for top 5 players this season. Ade clearly isnt a fan of saka and has a bias against him because if he was a liverpool player, he would be noshing him off every week
most ppl don’t like saka coz most ppl don’t like arsenal. womp womp who cares us arsenal fans love saka and know how good he is that’s all dat matters let all these other man dick ride foden
saka disrespect is outrageous hes never going to be the flashy good to watch winger but he'll do his job and bag g/a as long as hes scoring and assisting idc about if hes 'not as good as last year'
Watching you two has become a morbid fascination instead of a knowlegable debate. I have to think it's a click bait chat to see how many comments you can get. Utterly cluess pair of bananas.
Its true. Gabriel has been amazing. Been saying it for months. So dynamic and aggressive. Love watching him play. Mitoma at Brighton has been on 🔥 too 🤷🏻♂️
Every time I have seen Van Dijk this season, he has made massive mistakes. He made it very easy for Odegaard to put Havertz one-on-one with the keeper. He also made sure Haaland had all the time in the world to score for some reason.
i really don't know what you mean with the haaland one. van dijks positioning, reactions, everything for the haaland goal is ok (don't forget, he's covering alvarez also). yes, he had a nightmare vs arsenal, but that was really his only bad game. VVD is the reason liverpool are 1st. he carrys a higher load than any other defender in the league
L take on Salah, statistically he is on track to out perform his G/A for the quadruple chasing season (and the prem winning season) where Liverpool had Mane, Firmino, Salah where Salah also was more of an inverted winger whereas now he is pushed further out to the wing and still has the numbers. Regarding the "eye test", Salah passes that within watching his first goal contribution.
Disrespect on Konate is absolutely outrageous. Clearly doesn’t watch Liverpool or understand the game if he doesn’t see our right hand side which was weaker defensively has been completely overhauled because of Konate.
It's absolutely unbelieveble how Rodri isn't in either list. The guy is unbeaten in his last 55 club games (excl. friendlies offcourse). His last defeat was on february 5th, 2023 (Spurs away). So since then City has played 55 games with him and lost 0. Since then they have also played 10 games without him, they have lost 5 of them. City literally mailfunction and crumble when he's not on the pitch. He is actually the best player in the world and got absolutely robbed for 'FIFA The Best' last month. Order should be something like this: - Rodri - Rice - Salah - Foden - Watkins
I'm surprised at Rory's reaction to Watkins. How can you not have him in the conversation? If you don't want him in the top 5, that's fine. But certainly should be considered at least.
I really don’t understand the love foden gets compared to the hate saka receives, “foden’s been unreal” they say, 15 goals 10 assists in 37 games in what is the best club team on the planet as of last year so it’s a little easier to shine yet saka has 15 goals 13 assists in 32 games and has been doing this for the past 3 years for club and country. Foden struggled to start a few years ago then got his England spot taken by saka but foden is world class and saka isn’t lol
I love Ade saying he hates XG. I can't stand it, it doesn't tell the story, just watch the bloody game. People who use XG to analyse a game don't actually know how to intelligently interpret a game and see what's happened.
@@123kaired This is managers have statisticians who know how to read the stats. It is a common misconception that stats dont tell the full story of the game...they do!! Just that the average population dont have the mathematical background to be able to understand it.
@seeme8080 yeah for example xg for a player could be team, what you should be is looking at is longterm xg overperfomance as that suggests elite finishing ability. Also removes bias. Eg klopp didn't really want salah, look how that turned out
Foden has officially become the most overrated player in the league without a doubt. He has a good run of five games against lower league competition, and the TH-cam pundits talk about him like he’s a Messi regen.
Saka may not have had his best season, by the eye test, but he has markedly improved this calendar year and has been scoring and assisting a lot........ especially since they came back from Dubai.
Mother of God... No Saka, Salah or Silva!!! Never mind Rodri, Gallagher and Martinelli... Think you fellas have had a shocker here, but hey maybe im wrong
My List: 1. Salah 2. Rice 3. VVD 4. Foden 5. Watkins Would add Haaland but think it’s safe to say we expect his goals and wanted to give credit elsewhere for once
These discussions by you two are why I subbed. I cannot stand Chelsea or Liverpool, but I throw those opinions in the bin watching this. Does not matter which club you support, you love football and you both keep pulling and pushing my opinions with your arguments. Well done. Cheers.
Not a Tottenham fan at all so I wont try to think what they feel etc. But for me Vicario deserves every mention and praise there is. He has been completely outstanding and keeping much more out of their goal than what anyone could or should expect. Son has obviously also been outstanding.
@@TUTENSKENGS i agree it was but imo it was just funny how straight after that comment about stats he talked about salah's stats. Im not fan of either btw :)
Rodri massively overlooked. City don't look like the same side without him, and he's been scoring crucial goals at points this season, despite that not being his role. He's like Busquets on steroids! If City win the league he has to win POTY imo
@@dylanroessler6810 Don't get me wrong Rice has been class. I just think Rodri is better when you watch them both. The eye test favours Rodri, but in a TOTS I would have both
The disrespect Saka gets is unreal. If he played for your club you would make him the best player but because he plays for arsenal the disrespect is crazy. Imagine being an football personality on radio and yt with out any football knowledge and just pure bias and personal agenda 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As an Arsenal fan I’d agree with Gabriel being our best player this season. Rice and Saka are close but Gabriel has been immense. Not much is being said about our left back situation anymore
I'm not saying that Saka is the best player but the amount of disrespect that the kid gets after being so consistent at such a tender age is absolutely ridiculous. For him to be getting compared with Salah irks Liverpool fans but it's literally an honour for Saka to get in that conversation so early!
it’s a shame trent has been injured and wasn’t fully fit for that arsenal game cus he’s been running games for liverpool this season whenever he’s played
Curtis jones not being said for Liverpool is insane our midfield got destroyed in summer and he stepped his game up and if not for injury should be in contention for England
@@mashizzubizzunfortunately most of the country feel the same which for me is insane the kid has already won everything at club level and this season got asked to play a bigger role because of summer departures and he’s not looked out of place and the team is sat top of table
@@steveallen-q7m I'm an lfc fan but I'm still not quite sure about Curtis. He has got the attributes to be a great midfielder if only he stopped holding onto the ball. He loses the ball to often for me but I do like the lad
Bro good player but common if he for player of the season then we can say that the standards are becoming very law, stop overeating players just because they started to be good
Both of u have had a stinker with this one 🤣
writing saka off because stats dont matter but then putting foden first because he has 14 goals which saka has more of btw is unreal
if u watch football you would know foden is better
Foden is a way better footballer
Yet Saka got England POTY twice in a row meanwhile Foden cant even get in the starting 11 lol
@@Harveyy1011he’s saying their reasoning as to why Saka can’t be on doesn’t make sense when Ade questioned if Foden should be in, realised he has 14 in all competitions and suddenly it’s a no-brainer.
@@garycod4-n1gbro…southgate is the manager ? he plays henderson and phillips ffs
Genuinely cant belive the Salah disrespect lool im not even a Liverpool fan but now i know i cant watch these 2 shoreditch hippies no more
Has to be Salah, 1 goal off Top scorer and 1 assist off Top asssister. And he was just gone for 2 months
He’s had great numbers when he’s played, but not being available for your team for as much as 2 months isn’t a good thing though
He’s insane
@@oufc90he was at afcon bro you make it sound like it's his fault. Even if he didn't get injured he would have been back like a week earlier
@@harveythatguy2757 I’m not saying it’s his fault, but missing 2 months of the season surely isn’t a good thing for your player of the season credentials. To clarify, I think he’s been great and right up there, but the original comment was saying like it’s more impressive when really not being available isn’t good
@@oufc90he wasn’t gone for 2 months, he played games for Liverpool in January and Feb. He missed a few weeks 😂
This is why some Liverpool fans annoy the $hit out of me.
Saying that Salah is NOT our best player this season is literally INSANE !!
he 's the second top scorer ( missing some games coz of AFCON) & he has the most assists. He would've had at least 5 more if Nunez had a better finishing skill.
We are the top of the league mainly because of HIM
HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON. END OFF
Brooo I'm not a Liverpool fan but u had the same reaction as u 😂😂😂😂 mental stuff here. They'll be back to fighting for 5th when he leaves
This guy is an idiot man. He also went out to say konate hasn’t been great? Like what Liverpool has this guy been watching??
Not a pool fan and completely agree. Salah maybe UNDERRATED
The best RW the league has seen, easily
As a Liverpool fan I’d have jones as our player of season, Yes salah numbers are insane but that’s salah it’s not disrespectful his brilliance is just expected now, id put jones above because Liverpool even with salah shouldn’t be in a title fight after our midfield got destroyed in summer yet we are and leading the race and I feel jones has been huge on us making the new midfield work
Wouldn’t Allison be above him, Trent or Van Dijk? Salah has missed a few games. He’s not the best player in the league, no way this season.
Brushing Saka aside but then praising Palmer and Foden is a joke lol
Palmer is single handedly dragging a mediocre team and manager. Chelsea would be in a relegation battle if not for him. Meanwhile Saka isn't even Arsenal's best player this season
Saka is a pen merchant
@TP-pq9xx On paper yes, but on the pitch there's no difference between Saka occupying a touchline position vs Palmer or Foden playing slightly deeper than a traditional forward. Because Foden has a loose role it prevents teams from setting up against him tactically, whereas Saka doesn't get that benefit and has 3/4 players closing him down virtually every time he enters the final third. There's no way you can clearly discount Saka while praising guys who put up inferior numbers in a lot of important per 90 metrics if you're not biased
@TP-pq9xx Nope. One you can take penalties off, because he'd be punished for missing them so he must be praised for converting. There is no difference between a winger and a CAM sometimes pushing to CF (Foden). I'd get your point if Saka was a right forward like Salah but no. Saka is a classic touchline winger. When played in the wing btw Foden is useless against a top side.
Because Foden has been better?
Udogie gets a mention and Saka doesn't because football is a game of emotions or something.
Because it’s not about statistics, if it was many icons would not be icons to the game.
@@25pence so Udogie is in the top 5 players of the season? That's actually what we're doing here? Because "it's not about statistics"
@@3bladeninja21 yeah because you watch him and he is amazing, honestly in my opinion the most stand out player of any team.
@@3bladeninja21 when you watch saka it’s not that, you don’t go wow that’s a crazy player, you get frustrated with him at times because he can play much better. And he hasn’t revitalised the attack of Arsenal they are the same as last season. Rice has added more to the attack with his balls into the box
@25pence you are a contradiction
Saka has already equalled his g/a tally from last season. He’s putting serious output in and he’s at the front of our title. Might not look glamorous to these two but what he’s doing right now is ridiculous.
That’s the thing, these two expect him to be doing fancy tricks and crazy dribbles down the touchline because they see him as a winger, but arteta is actually playing him a lot more as a finisher/box threat, and cares more about his G/A efficiency than any silly tricks or skill moves he could pull off.
No he hasn't, he's on 12 g+a. He had over 10 for both last year, he was famously the forst to reach that & for a while the only one other than messy to get that in eu big 5 as every media outlet let us know that
@@kurtsudheim825he’s on 20 G+A lmao
The disrespect towards Saka is unreal!!!!
Ade, you can’t be watching Liverpool. Konate has been exceptional.
Mate he is the worst Liverpool fan constantly digging our team and putting us down
@@BenLeinsterOng he hates his own team
I wouldn't sat exceptional, but very good. He's had bad moments
Destiny Udogie who has picked up a card every 3 games and is part of the 7th best defence in the league is top 5 players. What a take!
The takes are getting worse and worse and now he's dragging Ade into it.
Cause those are the metrics to judge a left back by
You might not rate him but come on mate they are some strange metrics haha
1. Udogies job is offensive more than defensive. 2. We have players missing especially defenders. 3. Our style leaves us open defensively.
Have some respect if u don't know ball don't speak
@@r3lentl3sGaming1he’s good but not top 5 or even top 10
Saliba is the victim of his own quality. He's been so consistent that you don't even have to think of him.
There's no way you could put a chelsea player in the top 5 players of the season 😂😂
The Konate disrespect from Ade is WILD, he’s been excellent
Needs to improve on the ball (he has the ability but he's wildly inconsistent) but as a pure defender there is genuinely no one better - he's right in the top bracket across Europe.
Fuk Konate. The Salah disrespect is way worse
There is a reason Konate starts for France over Saliba
Not better than Van Dijk
@@mayonice001because arsenal is underrated
In no particular order: Salah, Rice, Saka, Rodri Watkins. Honorable mentions: Solanke, Son, Haaland.
What has Declan Shite done to be the conversation, kid? Guy is just a grafter
Yeah all good shouts, although Haaland by his own standards is not at his best, you could include Isak in there.
@@LightningAsh get some braincells pls
@@donuts7627 isak is the worst shout of all time 😂😂😂😂 adebayo has 1 less goal than him, hwang hee-chan has the same number of goals, and Bowen has got more 😂😂 he’s nowhere near the conversation this season
It’s crazy how a player can normalise being so good every season that they have to be unbelievable to get their flowers. Salah left for Afcon top scorer & top assister, got injured came back and dropped a goal & assist like he never left the guy is insane. If you watch Liverpool you can genuinely see that he’s a level above everyone at Liverpool and the opposition.
Yet they had Watkins 2nd because he has "most goal involvements of any forward"... Salah has more
How has Rory not added Drogba to this list is beyond me :O
Gabriel has been the best CB in the prem this season
van dijk a joke to you
@@motion1118your looking at van dijk being the best fit the past 4-5 years. For this season in the 25 games played so far Gabriel has been better
@@motion1118yes. It’s Magalhaes time.
@@motion1118 no, but he hasn't been better than Gabriel... He's been the best CB in the LEAGUE and maybe the WORLD
@@motion1118as an Arsenal fan I think Van Dijk has been awesome fwiw. And I know Liverpool fans watch their team more intently as do Arsenal fans for their own but Gabriel has been sensational too so he does deserve a big shout.
Rory "do you know" Jennings
Saka is on pace for a 30 Goals/Assists season this year.
That is an all time level season.
For context:
since the Prem was founded ‘92 there have been 51 individual seasons where a player has gotten 30G/A in a season.
12 of those seasons were recorded in 92/93, 93/94 & 94/95 when there were 42 games and not 38.
So in a 38 game season there has only been 39 individual 30G/A seasons.
Christiano Ronaldo has only 1 30G/A season in the Prem, his 07/08 Ballon d’or year (37G/A). I am not saying Saka is playing as well as CR7 did that year. Not at all.
My point is this. You reach a certain level of statistical productivity where “doesn’t pass the eye test” doesn’t apply. Just means that your assessment of what you are seeing is just wrong.
Like you can’t say that CR7 at United was better than at Madrid because he dribbled more and was prettier to watch.
Maharez is one of the best wingers in PL history. Besides strength and speed Mahrez is probably better than Salah at everything else, however Salah is the better winger because his output is better beyond the point of deniability.
Saka is objectively having an amazing season. I have rice and Saliba ahead of him for PotS but to say that he is having a poor/worse season is simply inaccurate.
Spot on buddy
@TP-pq9xxwhat? trossard is not a more productive player than saka. If you’re referring to numbers then that can’t be true lmao
@TP-pq9xx 19G/A in 24 appearances. That’s 0.79/game. 0.79 multiplied by 38 = 30.02.
I’m not gonna fight you over 1G/A pace though.
Haaland, Salah & Watkins are all having fantastic seasons. Everyone acknowledges it with them but supposedly Saka isn’t playing well this season. Kinda my whole point. Also Haaland, Salah & Watkins all take penalties as well if I am not mistaken. So that kinda cancels out.
Foden is a great player, having a great season I’m not really speaking about him or comparing them. I’m contextualising Saka’s season historically.
Saka is on pace for an all time level season which means you can’t make the argument that he is having a poor season. Objectively he isn’t. That’s all I’m saying.
@TP-pq9xx The idea that Foden plays in the midfield is stupid. He starts in the midfield but that is not his in game position. He alternates between either wings or second striker when City are dominating possession (99% of the time) . Maximum Foden will revert to is attacking forward. Foden in game is an attacker. Also Saka was called a monkey for missing pens. If you get criticised for missing pens you must get praised for scoring.
@TP-pq9xx on your Foden point according to Transfermarkt he has played 18 games as a RW, 6 as a LW, 10 as an AM and 1 as a CF. He is playing as an attacker as much as Saka is. You can hardly use one to discredit the other. They both are having great seasons. I’m not here trying to debate that because it’s arbitrary and there is no winning. I’m glad you like Foden a lot though.
Brushing off Saka and his stats then there’s no point mentioning any other winger except Salah.
Literally, salah is by far the best winger in the league, but Saka is also by far the second best, there’s no point discussing wingers without those two (how is Foden number 1 on their list 😭)
@@Football_AdvancedI agree Salah then Saka nr 2
Foden has been incredible..funny enough even when he dont score he's still the best player on the pitch..Saka has been awefull for 90% of the season..for half of the season arsenal fans have been complaining about how awful saka and odegard have been..foden hasn't even been a winger much, he's been a 10@Football_Advanced
@@shazamarkham not halv the season, no one was saying he was underperforming the first 15 games. Saka had a bad period of 5-8 games. That’s far from hack the season(19 games)He is back now.
Ade: do you know Oliver is just behind harland for g+a.
2min late as Roryis about to tell him ska h+a: stats don't matter
This is how you know all opinions are not built equal. Cole fuckin' Palmer makes it to the top 5 but Salah, Haaland and Saka don't.
It's all down to expectations... The same way Modric won Ballon D'or over CR7 and Messi.... He didn't individually play better than those 2 but when it comes to expectations, Modric exceeded expectations and those 2, by their standards had an alright season... If it was any other player with Messi and CR7's performances that year people would have praised that player
Saka won young player of the year and was nominated for player of the year last season and he's already surpassed his stats from last season. There is no way in hell he isn't in the debate for top 5 players this season. Ade clearly isnt a fan of saka and has a bias against him because if he was a liverpool player, he would be noshing him off every week
most ppl don’t like saka coz most ppl don’t like arsenal. womp womp who cares us arsenal fans love saka and know how good he is that’s all dat matters let all these other man dick ride foden
saka disrespect is outrageous hes never going to be the flashy good to watch winger but he'll do his job and bag g/a as long as hes scoring and assisting idc about if hes 'not as good as last year'
Criticise saka for having good stats but not being as good as previous seasons but mentioning stats for basically every other attacker 🤣
Watching you two has become a morbid fascination instead of a knowlegable debate. I have to think it's a click bait chat to see how many comments you can get. Utterly cluess pair of bananas.
Ade: “I cant put Saka in this list just because of his stats”
Ade then proceeds to mention goals and assist for the rest of the players he picks 😂😂😂
My favourite story for me has been ross barkley, the guy is an absolute joy
Its true. Gabriel has been amazing. Been saying it for months. So dynamic and aggressive. Love watching him play.
Mitoma at Brighton has been on 🔥 too 🤷🏻♂️
im covinced your man doesnt support liverpool look at the season salah is having all he does tslk down about liverpool
Mate I’m glad you have said this every time i hear him talk about Liverpool this season he has slagged off the new midfield, defence and now salah 😭
@@mark-134 I remember him talking about are defence and that he doesn’t think we’ll win the league he’s definitely not a Liverpool fan😂
1. Salah
2. Rice
3. VVD
4. Foden
5. Palmer, Saliba, Haaland, Alison, Watkins, Bowen, Neto (can’t decide haha)
Went from sitting in between AJ and Ngannou to sitting in front of Rory, what a step up for ade
They're friends, stop being jarring
@@Ali-fb5km It's just a little joke, have a seat.
@@olliemccartney9850 I'm crippled
Rodri is the bookies favourite btw everyone
At first I thought Ade was a reasonable guy, but no, this dude is equally insane as Rory 😂
Foden hasn't been better than Saka this season in any metric, even goals and assists
son heung min should be in this discussion
if he didn't go to the asia cup he'd probably be #1 or #2 as far as goal contributions
True to be fair, he’s been back to his best this season
Every time I have seen Van Dijk this season, he has made massive mistakes. He made it very easy for Odegaard to put Havertz one-on-one with the keeper. He also made sure Haaland had all the time in the world to score for some reason.
i really don't know what you mean with the haaland one. van dijks positioning, reactions, everything for the haaland goal is ok (don't forget, he's covering alvarez also). yes, he had a nightmare vs arsenal, but that was really his only bad game. VVD is the reason liverpool are 1st. he carrys a higher load than any other defender in the league
L take on Salah, statistically he is on track to out perform his G/A for the quadruple chasing season (and the prem winning season) where Liverpool had Mane, Firmino, Salah where Salah also was more of an inverted winger whereas now he is pushed further out to the wing and still has the numbers. Regarding the "eye test", Salah passes that within watching his first goal contribution.
Maguire has to be mentioned at least. What he’s gone through is absolutely insane and I love seeing him doing well now
Disrespect on Konate is absolutely outrageous. Clearly doesn’t watch Liverpool or understand the game if he doesn’t see our right hand side which was weaker defensively has been completely overhauled because of Konate.
It's absolutely unbelieveble how Rodri isn't in either list.
The guy is unbeaten in his last 55 club games (excl. friendlies offcourse). His last defeat was on february 5th, 2023 (Spurs away).
So since then City has played 55 games with him and lost 0.
Since then they have also played 10 games without him, they have lost 5 of them.
City literally mailfunction and crumble when he's not on the pitch.
He is actually the best player in the world and got absolutely robbed for 'FIFA The Best' last month.
Order should be something like this:
- Rodri
- Rice
- Salah
- Foden
- Watkins
Why do you kids love Declan Shite so much? Lol. Guy is average AF
1. Rodri
2. Salah
3. Rice
4. Foden
5. Saka or Watkins
Saka has been consistent and improving every year. He's better this year than last year. The Saka chat is rubbish.
“every great centerback partnership has included one thing, a partnership” fucking groundbreaking analysis going on here boys
I'm surprised at Rory's reaction to Watkins. How can you not have him in the conversation? If you don't want him in the top 5, that's fine. But certainly should be considered at least.
I really don’t understand the love foden gets compared to the hate saka receives, “foden’s been unreal” they say, 15 goals 10 assists in 37 games in what is the best club team on the planet as of last year so it’s a little easier to shine yet saka has 15 goals 13 assists in 32 games and has been doing this for the past 3 years for club and country. Foden struggled to start a few years ago then got his England spot taken by saka but foden is world class and saka isn’t lol
The correct list
1. Salah
2. Saka
3. Foden
4. Rice
5. McGinn
Declan Shite lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Udogie and Palmer on the list but no Salah, Saka or Rodri is fucked up tbh. Udogie?? Wtf 😂😂
Rory saying alisson is not the best keeper in the league has me baffled
It could be Pickford this season
@@christianjones1167 pickford has been great but alisson has single handedly kept liverpool in the title race
PLEASE GUYS! The player that is never mentioned and should be, a literal monster last 3 seasons, Pascal Groß ! , check his statistic !!!
They only rank players from Sly 6 teams……
I love Ade saying he hates XG. I can't stand it, it doesn't tell the story, just watch the bloody game. People who use XG to analyse a game don't actually know how to intelligently interpret a game and see what's happened.
Yet the top managers buy by stats 😂
@@123kaired This is managers have statisticians who know how to read the stats. It is a common misconception that stats dont tell the full story of the game...they do!! Just that the average population dont have the mathematical background to be able to understand it.
@seeme8080 yeah for example xg for a player could be team, what you should be is looking at is longterm xg overperfomance as that suggests elite finishing ability. Also removes bias. Eg klopp didn't really want salah, look how that turned out
Foden has officially become the most overrated player in the league without a doubt. He has a good run of five games against lower league competition, and the TH-cam pundits talk about him like he’s a Messi regen.
Saka is not in d conversation cos of his recent performance on the pitch, stats shouldn’t be used…. So, what about haaland?
Saka may not have had his best season, by the eye test, but he has markedly improved this calendar year and has been scoring and assisting a lot........ especially since they came back from Dubai.
Feels like Ade is harsher on Liverpool players to avoid being called biased.
Mother of God... No Saka, Salah or Silva!!! Never mind Rodri, Gallagher and Martinelli... Think you fellas have had a shocker here, but hey maybe im wrong
My brother is a spurs fan and he does not agree with Udogie. He thinks either Vicario or Pedro Porro/VDV.
This guy ain’t no Liverpool fan 😂😂😂
My List:
1. Salah
2. Rice
3. VVD
4. Foden
5. Watkins
Would add Haaland but think it’s safe to say we expect his goals and wanted to give credit elsewhere for once
Ppl said saka is worse this season and yet he's still putting numbers better than foden😂
Where did this hate suddenly come from i don't get it
These discussions by you two are why I subbed. I cannot stand Chelsea or Liverpool, but I throw those opinions in the bin watching this. Does not matter which club you support, you love football and you both keep pulling and pushing my opinions with your arguments. Well done. Cheers.
Not a Tottenham fan at all so I wont try to think what they feel etc. But for me Vicario deserves every mention and praise there is. He has been completely outstanding and keeping much more out of their goal than what anyone could or should expect. Son has obviously also been outstanding.
When you watch this clip without volume you might think they are talking sense. Only until you listen then you get how wide off the mark they are.
So from saying we watch football and not stats "i hate it" meaning saka is not in the conversation but then salah is 😂
That's a weird comment. Salahs been a lot better tbh and I'm an Arsenal fan
@@TUTENSKENGS i agree it was but imo it was just funny how straight after that comment about stats he talked about salah's stats. Im not fan of either btw :)
1. Salah
2. Rice
3. Foden
4. Rodri
5. Trent
Good list
Salah, Rice, Rodri, Gabriel, Van de Ven
Declan Shite, uno 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rodri massively overlooked. City don't look like the same side without him, and he's been scoring crucial goals at points this season, despite that not being his role. He's like Busquets on steroids! If City win the league he has to win POTY imo
Declan rice has done the same thing and has actually been available every game. And his team has the best defensive record.
@@dylanroessler6810 Don't get me wrong Rice has been class. I just think Rodri is better when you watch them both. The eye test favours Rodri, but in a TOTS I would have both
Foden, really. Saka has been better and he hasn’t even got a mention.
Surprised Rory didn't suggest Jared Bowen to be honest
Also Rodri has a great shout and has definitely been better than Declan rice this season also coming in with clutch goals…
just close this show and let us go home. Palmer 4th and no SALAH and Saka ...i'm not mad, its hilarious🤣🤣🤣
Where is Watkins! 13 goals 10 assists is crazy he deserves way more credit.
When was this recorded? 😂
the way that bloke shrugged off Konate and hes a liverpool fan? fucking hell hes clueless
The disrespect Saka gets is unreal. If he played for your club you would make him the best player but because he plays for arsenal the disrespect is crazy. Imagine being an football personality on radio and yt with out any football knowledge and just pure bias and personal agenda 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ade R9 point makes no sense when he has a ridiculous goal record
VVD over Gabriel is insane
Watch football mate.
How is foden first you guys trynna piss everyone off
Great call on McGinn. He gets Villa going, very underrated footballer
Saka AND Salah disrespect
Also Rice is clear number 1 for me
Truth be told, City, Liverpool and Arsenal should dominate this list
As an Arsenal fan I’d agree with Gabriel being our best player this season. Rice and Saka are close but Gabriel has been immense. Not much is being said about our left back situation anymore
I'm not saying that Saka is the best player but the amount of disrespect that the kid gets after being so consistent at such a tender age is absolutely ridiculous. For him to be getting compared with Salah irks Liverpool fans but it's literally an honour for Saka to get in that conversation so early!
Ade's list is unbelievable
Vicario has been our best player.
Not a spurs fan but to my mind Porro, vicario, VDV, Maddison and son have all been better than Udogie. He’s been good but putting him fifth is wild
And he butting the numbers on the board that’s all what we need from attacker 26 G/A that is worldklasse Saka ❤❤
Top 5 is tough. I’ll say Rice, Salah, Saka, Odegaard, Rodri
Kid said Declan Shite lol
@@LightningAsh Would walk into any team in the world.
@@andymore62 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Keep dreaming, big man
I am an Arsenal fan and I think it's wrong to leave Ollie Watkins off the list. He has been very very good since August
it’s a shame trent has been injured and wasn’t fully fit for that arsenal game cus he’s been running games for liverpool this season whenever he’s played
Curtis jones not being said for Liverpool is insane our midfield got destroyed in summer and he stepped his game up and if not for injury should be in contention for England
Sorry I'm still not sold on Curtis.
I like him but he holds onto the ball too much
@@mashizzubizzunfortunately most of the country feel the same which for me is insane the kid has already won everything at club level and this season got asked to play a bigger role because of summer departures and he’s not looked out of place and the team is sat top of table
Curtis Jones will never get the recognition mate.
@@steveallen-q7m I'm an lfc fan but I'm still not quite sure about Curtis.
He has got the attributes to be a great midfielder if only he stopped holding onto the ball.
He loses the ball to often for me but I do like the lad
Bro good player but common if he for player of the season then we can say that the standards are becoming very law, stop overeating players just because they started to be good
Spuds keeper has been the best GK by far and i am a gunner
1. Rice
2. Salah
3. Douglas Luiz
4. Haaland
5. Trent Alexander-Arnold
Are my five and its hard to pick really.
Of course! The Egyptian king👑🇪🇬
As an arsenal fan. I’m here as much as I can to watch ade and Rory squirm about arsenal. Mostly ade
Virgil - Konate and Jones - Dias are better partnership than Saliba- Gabriel
Just clocked Alisson has the same number of clean sheets as Onana 😮
And Onana plays in front of a worse defence and makes way more saves. The issue is, Onana makes WAAAY more errors leading to goals too.
5) Konate
4) Saka
3) Rice
2) Foden
1) Salah
honourable mention:
- Mcginn
- Gabriel
- Ake
- Son
- Douglas Luiz
- Udogie
- Maino
2nd half is laughable
Not having Salah as number one is an argument to be had.
But to not have him top five is absolute dead ball knowledge.
Finally someone to give Gabriel his flowers... been unreal this season and for me the best CB in the league.
It's amazing how Rory won't talk about Chelsea when they play well
Foden #1 is atrocious btw. Salah has been unreal as an Arsenal fan. And Saka has more G/A then foden in less games across all comps
Agreed