I know you don’t want to hear it, however, here in Australia, we had a similar problem a long time ago, but we built a track that zig zags up and down a mountain, if you have the horizontal space, you could reduce the height and have a runaround loop to then back up the incline and make it into a mountain scenic background. Also works as a fun switching game to run around and switch a brake van from one end to another and then a loco to the other. Like the old shunting puzzles
A depot with a halt on the top deck sounds fun! Then you could make it industrial! As a space starved modeller I have opted to make multiple smaller layouts that can be hidden under a single bed! I find it liberating!
If you have two separate layouts, you can have two completely separate settings for the layout - different eras, different locations, etc., maybe even different scales! Variety is the spice of life!
Blimey and ya glue and activator- wiring up a motor home ATM and that looks the dogs for behind panels, endorse the buggers and get some for free! Honestly you deserve it mate!
Craig, it's a shame the split level idea didn't work, but that incline did look really steep.. I had a split level layout in the 1990s with a 6ft ramp ending in a curve. Back then, my locos had to take a run up at it. Fine, until one day a Hornby 040ST shot up the incline and just went straight on, landing on the roof of the engine shed.. Epic fail. After that I removed the top board and converted the incline into a cycle track..
Hi Craig. Don't worry about the gradient issue. Many times as modellers we have to use our imaginations, and in this case you can just decide that the junction between the high & low level lines is located somewhere other than on the visible section of the railway. Looking forward to your review of the little blue NCB loco.
That's is ashame but the incline did look like a roller coaster incline😂😂Modeloco has built a track lift thingy but I think it would cost a bit of dosh😢 Great video look forward to 😅the editing The hand of God will have to came to aid the locos to one level and the next.Take care.
I feel your pain Craig! I quite like the vertical traverser idea and I know a man called Shaun, who is an engineering wizard and has managed to create a whole fiddle yard using such a system and it works mechanically! Seen your exhibition weathering and it will be great to have a video on the Class 37.
Great video. Regarding the vertical traverser, “Piccadilly” did something like that on his n gauge between his main layout and his fiddle yard using a linear actuator. It’s worth checking it out.
I understand where your coming from mate . I got a 20ft x 8ft shed and have 2 inclines each side . Some locos go up it with little to no issue. How ever some just forget it . And like you i have used the power base system. With mixed results. Basically you need space. And my inclines are between 8and 9 feet long . So I did think that your idea good as it was . You were going to run into a few issues. Of which I'm having myself. But it's a case that I get round it by just not running certain locos going up and down said incline. Oh and 9f's I have 3. My favourite loco. But there are many other locos I like too. But 9f is my number 1.
Just "Tip Reviver"give them a quick phone call, they'll be able to sort it from you - let them know it's my fault you're calling them too 🤣 You won't get a discount, just makes me feel happy!😉🤣
Sorry to hear about the incline problems, but space is always against us and isn’t that part of the interest of building a layout. I have rebuilt my little layout (which is only just over a meter in length) four times since 2020. I haven’t completed it past fixing the track down and it’s now in a storage box waiting for me to get motivated to carry on. I don’t have a permanent space to set it up so it’s a case of unboxing it every time I want to do something with it, then putting it away. Love to hear what you think of TMCs weathering. I’m still not sure if I want pristine or weathered stock, I have some wagons pre weathered by another company and it’s covered the livery too much which is a shame. Anyway great video.
A Static locomotive depot is a fair compromise but be interesting to see how the layout will go but Class 37 are God Tier (Awesome) locomotives. Great update
Many, many years ago I did run across a modeler who was building a vertical traverser on TH-cam. Can't remember who it was, and I never saw the conclusion - his plans were basically a powered lift between his running lines and the fiddle yard/storage area. Since it was quite long, the lift needed two (or three) wall runners, and his issue was synchronizing the lift mechanisms, so as to keep it reliably level!!
I built a layout years ago using Hornby inclines steam locos struggled on it but diesel locos were a little better. Need loads of space for an incline. Stay safe mate.
@@IronHorseRailways have a few in my collection looks great from where I sit to watch only noticeable if park it up next to a different manufacturers one then it still doesn't worry me as great pullers
what a disappointment for the incline but two layouts for the price of one, no bad thing. On another note I meant to mention before,. please put a barrier of some kind on the outside edge of your bridge. Maybe a simple "L" shape fixed to the bottom of the bridge so that you get room for any stock overhang.
I'm sorry to hear you've had video clips dissapear, I know how that feels. Last year I had video clips from a trip to Luton Airport disapear whilst I was transferring them to the computer thanks to the memory card on my phone corrupting in the proccess.
My good lady said something about me having a crusty tip the other day but I wasn't doing any soldering at the time.....we never got to the end of that discussion because she drove away mentioning something about the milkman! Oh well lol
British Rail just BEFORE Steam engines?? 🙂 @ 8.53! - - - Point motor press-switch - the button normally just pulls off, for installation! - - - Level changer too steep. I suggest an all the way around the room spiral, that would reduce the gradient AND reduce the radius needed for the two ends of the climb. (How you get through the doorway is another problem!)
Hi Craig, sorry to hear about the gradient headaches, but having, effectively, two layouts in one isn't a bad thing, even if there's no physical connection between them, I like the idea of a vertical traverser, although it obviously limits train length, but I suppose there's pro's and cons to everything, anyway, sorry for filling up your comments section, thanks for sharing, take care, all the best from Scotland, Stephen.
@@stephencameron4032 no worries Steven! Thanks for taking the time to engage 🙂 And yes you're right, two layouts In The same floor space isn't bad is it?🙂
Thank you, Graig. I have been thinking a lot about my incline and the tipping point. How was I going to get around this? Then I thought about cutting the incline into the board, I want to use for the upper level (East Coast Main Line). I have not worked out how far into the upper level board I need to go. It is easier to draw than to explain it. Your incline is coming to the edge of the baseboard (Pivot Point). Now, if it was to go just below the baseboard then you can cut a wedge out of the baseboard to make a smoother transition. Martin. (Thailand)
Sorry about your incline but it is an engineering problem. For any 2 axle rolling stock or loco it is not, but it will not look too good and long vehicles like coaches 'ground' there battery boxes over the top. All other locos its a matter of wheel base and vertical motion of center axle(s). This is a problem in most models due to center axle drive or the train of gear wheels for all axle drive. Might use a railway variant of a Falkirk Wheel to lift vehicles or short train? Real locos have a set of suspension springs for each axle which allow relative limited vertical movements.
@@IronHorseRailways Yes .... I always fancied a junction in a town ... no grass just walls, cuttings etc..... But realty in the form of a 13ft shelf meant a Dead end TMD and about 6/7ft run in. I hate Reality.. Sigh.
@@IronHorseRailways Yes but i can at least display some of my liveries which I like... Weathered are my favourite but my new loco has just arrived in the last hour from Rails of Sheffield.... Rails Exclusive Class 47 ROG livery... I don't think I can weather that.. its too Pretty ! Of course I cant afford it but That's the world of compromise I starve while looking at it !! LOL
Model Railways, not going to plan. Who'd have thought. 🤣 Sometimes you just need to walk away for a minute and re evaluate. And then those people who offer you locos (which you probably didnt think you needed or wanted) for bargain prices .. the bast@rds. Lol. Good to see youve got your Mojo back brother. 👍
How do smaller 0-4-0 locomotives cope with the incline because if they are ok with it you could use the top level as a industrial layout and the bottom as a mainline layout.
fantastic insight and video.Nowt wrong with ambitions but may I make a suggestion?? If you want to keep a railway connection between upper level and lower level, have you considered using 009 locos and stock??. Why? Well you could use n scale locos or 009 stock and get Snowdon mountain locomotive and stock. I have a print file for an approximate representation. Or find Ertl culdee, lord harry or godred and put their body on a loco chassis. Would be a great little cameo railway to join 2 other railways on 2 levels. Bonus is I get some N scale track to run on too. Would also like to offer assistance if U need it to make the Ertl (if U decide too) a working model. My email address is on my channel description info.
Think you are being a bit hard on yourself. It is no lack of knowledge or skill, you have said it yourself that you have come up with something that defies the Laws of Physics and as you obviously go some sort of “Harry Potter” route, no-one could make work. I feel you pain and understand why you no longer want to duck under, however if you lengthened the incline around the bend and into the opposite straight, if this then became a “bend down” rather than a full on duck under, would that be a compromise that would work?
Again I tried that and there's just not enough room, it would end up too high with what I've already built then - not to worry, it was quite an expensive set back though 😂
I know you don’t want to hear it, however, here in Australia, we had a similar problem a long time ago, but we built a track that zig zags up and down a mountain, if you have the horizontal space, you could reduce the height and have a runaround loop to then back up the incline and make it into a mountain scenic background. Also works as a fun switching game to run around and switch a brake van from one end to another and then a loco to the other. Like the old shunting puzzles
A depot with a halt on the top deck sounds fun!
Then you could make it industrial!
As a space starved modeller I have opted to make multiple smaller layouts that can be hidden under a single bed! I find it liberating!
If you have two separate layouts, you can have two completely separate settings for the layout - different eras, different locations, etc., maybe even different scales! Variety is the spice of life!
@@JamesPetts we will have exactly the same!!😂
Wether the 37 on video Craig. With lots of commentary for us blindees 😎
Blimey and ya glue and activator- wiring up a motor home ATM and that looks the dogs for behind panels, endorse the buggers and get some for free! Honestly you deserve it mate!
They help me out when they can 🙂
Great video nice to see you are trying hard good locos keep up the good work 👍
great see you getting on with you new layout build thanks for the share on channel thanks lee
Great video look forward to next update
@@carolinerogers1057 thanks Carol 🙂
Yes please about the weathering video would be Interested in seeing how it do.
@@glennscotttrains7513 Oki doki 🙂
have you though off a spiral incline if you have the room that is
Craig, it's a shame the split level idea didn't work, but that incline did look really steep.. I had a split level layout in the 1990s with a 6ft ramp ending in a curve. Back then, my locos had to take a run up at it. Fine, until one day a Hornby 040ST shot up the incline and just went straight on, landing on the roof of the engine shed.. Epic fail. After that I removed the top board and converted the incline into a cycle track..
@@vickielawless sometimes things change for the better I guess!
Agreed- after pulling out of 3 potential house purchases, we've now found a place with a 20' x 30' loft.. Now what can I put in there?!
Would definitely be interested in a weathering video for the class 37
Yes please
Not a problem then 🙂
Sure thing! 🙂
Sounds like you’ve had a frustrating time. Take care and just do what brings you enjoyment
A friend of mine had the same issue. Using magnets instantly solved the problem
Thanks for sharing. Stay safe.
Hi Craig. Don't worry about the gradient issue. Many times as modellers we have to use our imaginations, and in this case you can just decide that the junction between the high & low level lines is located somewhere other than on the visible section of the railway.
Looking forward to your review of the little blue NCB loco.
@@stephendavies6949 me too mate!
That's is ashame but the incline did look like a roller coaster incline😂😂Modeloco has built a track lift thingy but I think it would cost a bit of dosh😢 Great video look forward to 😅the editing The hand of God will have to came to aid the locos to one level and the next.Take care.
I feel your pain Craig! I quite like the vertical traverser idea and I know a man called Shaun, who is an engineering wizard and has managed to create a whole fiddle yard using such a system and it works mechanically! Seen your exhibition weathering and it will be great to have a video on the Class 37.
Cheers Andy, I'll have a go at it then 🙂
Great video.
Regarding the vertical traverser, “Piccadilly” did something like that on his n gauge between his main layout and his fiddle yard using a linear actuator. It’s worth checking it out.
@@hidcoteeast9478 il take a look mate!
Great video Iron Horse Railways
@@mels1811 cheers bud
Have you tried shaving the edge between the flat section and the top of the gradient so it’s less of a hump to get over
Yes
You could knock through the wall behind you. That gets rid of that wallpaper, too! Win-win!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Christ nobody likes it - that's why the railway is going over it 🤣
I understand where your coming from mate . I got a 20ft x 8ft shed and have 2 inclines each side . Some locos go up it with little to no issue. How ever some just forget it . And like you i have used the power base system. With mixed results. Basically you need space. And my inclines are between 8and 9 feet long . So I did think that your idea good as it was . You were going to run into a few issues. Of which I'm having myself. But it's a case that I get round it by just not running certain locos going up and down said incline.
Oh and 9f's I have 3. My favourite loco. But there are many other locos I like too. But 9f is my number 1.
A "switchback" may be the solution for thee!
Problem is, I just don't want to model that sort of thing 🤣
Would definitely like to see the weathering of the Class 37 please. Might give me the courage to have a go.
That's another vote ! 🙂🙂
Ooh what is the magic solder stuff called? Deffo gonna get some, rather than being a numpty and using a needle file or a Stanley knife!
Just "Tip Reviver"give them a quick phone call, they'll be able to sort it from you - let them know it's my fault you're calling them too 🤣
You won't get a discount, just makes me feel happy!😉🤣
Sorry to hear about the incline problems, but space is always against us and isn’t that part of the interest of building a layout. I have rebuilt my little layout (which is only just over a meter in length) four times since 2020. I haven’t completed it past fixing the track down and it’s now in a storage box waiting for me to get motivated to carry on. I don’t have a permanent space to set it up so it’s a case of unboxing it every time I want to do something with it, then putting it away. Love to hear what you think of TMCs weathering. I’m still not sure if I want pristine or weathered stock, I have some wagons pre weathered by another company and it’s covered the livery too much which is a shame. Anyway great video.
Space is the enemy!😂 Cheers mate!
A Static locomotive depot is a fair compromise but be interesting to see how the layout will go but Class 37 are God Tier (Awesome) locomotives. Great update
@@simontrainsmodelrailway cheers Simon, I'm looking forward to getting some scenery done soon! ☺️
I could have two levels, but I don’t have the inclination (hat, coat, door)😊
Many, many years ago I did run across a modeler who was building a vertical traverser on TH-cam. Can't remember who it was, and I never saw the conclusion - his plans were basically a powered lift between his running lines and the fiddle yard/storage area. Since it was quite long, the lift needed two (or three) wall runners, and his issue was synchronizing the lift mechanisms, so as to keep it reliably level!!
Weathering video would be interesting.
great video have you look at using an Helix
If I had room for a helix, I'd have used one mate - I don't have a lot of space you see, and this was the limit!🙂
I built a layout years ago using Hornby inclines steam locos struggled on it but diesel locos were a little better. Need loads of space for an incline. Stay safe mate.
@@gordonhanning476 cheers Gordon!🙂
knew the 37 was Bachman due to gap between bogie and chassis sits a little high on the older version
@@alfiewenn9440 if it saves me £180 then I can live with it 😂
@@IronHorseRailways have a few in my collection looks great from where I sit to watch only noticeable if park it up next to a different manufacturers one then it still doesn't worry me as great pullers
what a disappointment for the incline but two layouts for the price of one, no bad thing. On another note I meant to mention before,. please put a barrier of some kind on the outside edge of your bridge. Maybe a simple "L" shape fixed to the bottom of the bridge so that you get room for any stock overhang.
@@davidscott6468 ah don't worry, there's a plan for the bridge mate 🤣😉
Another great video 👍
I'm sorry to hear you've had video clips dissapear, I know how that feels. Last year I had video clips from a trip to Luton Airport disapear whilst I was transferring them to the computer thanks to the memory card on my phone corrupting in the proccess.
@@ReubenAshwell it's a real pain mate 😔
I spy a bottle of 18 year old JURA....Mmmmmmm. I love the Dapol HL tank engines so much I bought 3 of them and I don't even have a layout (Yet).
Nice little locos mate, keep an eye out for my review 🙂
And it's only a 10year bottle, I'm not made of brass!!🤣🤣
Craig , you tried, good on you.. But inclines take hell of a lot of distance, Found that out myself, Mine took 17 foot to rise to 5 inches
Have you tried asking Gandalf to reduce gravity in your house?
Sadly to avail 😕
@@IronHorseRailways Oh, well. No harm in trying.
My good lady said something about me having a crusty tip the other day but I wasn't doing any soldering at the time.....we never got to the end of that discussion because she drove away mentioning something about the milkman! Oh well lol
@@StBlazeyModelWorld ooh matron 😂
British Rail just BEFORE Steam engines?? 🙂 @ 8.53! - - - Point motor press-switch - the button normally just pulls off, for installation! - - - Level changer too steep. I suggest an all the way around the room spiral, that would reduce the gradient AND reduce the radius needed for the two ends of the climb. (How you get through the doorway is another problem!)
@@hamshackleton the door is exactly why it can't be done!😂
You can't hear it on the video but it says "before steam ends"
Hi Craig, sorry to hear about the gradient headaches, but having, effectively, two layouts in one isn't a bad thing, even if there's no physical connection between them, I like the idea of a vertical traverser, although it obviously limits train length, but I suppose there's pro's and cons to everything, anyway, sorry for filling up your comments section, thanks for sharing, take care, all the best from Scotland, Stephen.
@@stephencameron4032 no worries Steven! Thanks for taking the time to engage 🙂
And yes you're right, two layouts In The same floor space isn't bad is it?🙂
As a wise man once said “You cannae change the laws of physics” Shrug your shoulders and move on Craig. 👍🏼
Thank you, Graig. I have been thinking a lot about my incline and the tipping point. How was I going to get around this? Then I thought about cutting the incline into the board, I want to use for the upper level (East Coast Main Line). I have not worked out how far into the upper level board I need to go. It is easier to draw than to explain it. Your incline is coming to the edge of the baseboard (Pivot Point). Now, if it was to go just below the baseboard then you can cut a wedge out of the baseboard to make a smoother transition. Martin. (Thailand)
@@martinpattison1567 good luck with it Martin, hopefully you have more luck than I did!
Sorry about your incline but it is an engineering problem. For any 2 axle rolling stock or loco it is not, but it will not look too good and long vehicles like coaches 'ground' there battery boxes over the top. All other locos its a matter of wheel base and vertical motion of center axle(s). This is a problem in most models due to center axle drive or the train of gear wheels for all axle drive. Might use a railway variant of a Falkirk Wheel to lift vehicles or short train? Real locos have a set of suspension springs for each axle which allow relative limited vertical movements.
Yeah I'm aware mate, but this is the issue too - they're models not actually railway vehicles lol
Could you make your incline a bit of a Diorama of an incline going into a Tunnel ... like Copy Pit etc.... the ends can be out of view ??
Iain Rice book " Shelf Layouts " has the diagrams for how a t]vertical traverser could be made.
@@rogerwolstenholme2710 it's not about hiding it mate, it's the space! Or lack of!
@@IronHorseRailways Yes .... I always fancied a junction in a town ... no grass just walls, cuttings etc..... But realty in the form of a 13ft shelf meant a Dead end TMD and about 6/7ft run in. I hate Reality.. Sigh.
@@rogerwolstenholme2710 it's a shame isn't it mate?
Ideally, I'd like double the space I have but, we live in a world of compromise 🤣
@@IronHorseRailways Yes but i can at least display some of my liveries which I like... Weathered are my favourite but my new loco has just arrived in the last hour from Rails of Sheffield.... Rails Exclusive Class 47 ROG livery... I don't think I can weather that.. its too Pretty ! Of course I cant afford it but That's the world of compromise I starve while looking at it !! LOL
Model Railways, not going to plan. Who'd have thought. 🤣
Sometimes you just need to walk away for a minute and re evaluate.
And then those people who offer you locos (which you probably didnt think you needed or wanted) for bargain prices .. the bast@rds. Lol.
Good to see youve got your Mojo back brother. 👍
@@l1a146 cheers mate, and your spot on - the bargains find you when you're skint!!❤️😂
You need a TARDIS room?
@@jongmans38 that's the obvious solution 😂😂
How do smaller 0-4-0 locomotives cope with the incline because if they are ok with it you could use the top level as a industrial layout and the bottom as a mainline layout.
@@bentullett6068 already tried it mate, they don't make it up 😔 😔
Try Try again then sit down with a beer or four, funny how often that works, If not five HAHAHA. Sometimes things don't work.
That's true enough mate, you need to know when to quit too!🤣
Thanks for the close ups of your crusty tip mate... Sorry to hear about the footage :( I'm sure I got a clip of you farting anyway.
@@BuggleskellyStation
I'm so pleased my various debilitating diseases cause the masses so much joy! 🤣
Next week: Live stream from the loo!
What about a helix, off "screen" if needed
Not enough room mate
fantastic insight and video.Nowt wrong with ambitions but may I make a suggestion?? If you want to keep a railway connection between upper level and lower level, have you considered using 009 locos and stock??. Why? Well you could use n scale locos or 009 stock and get Snowdon mountain locomotive and stock. I have a print file for an approximate representation. Or find Ertl culdee, lord harry or godred and put their body on a loco chassis. Would be a great little cameo railway to join 2 other railways on 2 levels. Bonus is I get some N scale track to run on too. Would also like to offer assistance if U need it to make the Ertl (if U decide too) a working model. My email address is on my channel description info.
@@sodor_dan-da-man I appreciate the offer Dan, but I've already made alternative plans I'm afraid!
Look its easy? Move to a bigger house! Sorry I couldn't help it!
@@tonyrobinson362 it is actually, but due to family reasons we are here for the foreseeable to be close to poorly relatives 🙂❤️
Think you are being a bit hard on yourself. It is no lack of knowledge or skill, you have said it yourself that you have come up with something that defies the Laws of Physics and as you obviously go some sort of “Harry Potter” route, no-one could make work.
I feel you pain and understand why you no longer want to duck under, however if you lengthened the incline around the bend and into the opposite straight, if this then became a “bend down” rather than a full on duck under, would that be a compromise that would work?
Again I tried that and there's just not enough room, it would end up too high with what I've already built then - not to worry, it was quite an expensive set back though 😂