The Beef between Joey Ramone and Johnny Ramone

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  • @dustyramone
    @dustyramone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    6:37 That was the statement in Johnny's book that touched me the most. And that was certainly not a cheesy phrase, but a thing that came from the heart

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought it was very profound about their relationship.

  • @JohnnyRamone1974
    @JohnnyRamone1974 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    When Joey died, Johnny went into a deep depression for a week and didn't do anything. Afterwards, he decided he was done with music for the rest of his life.

    • @1984isnotamanual
      @1984isnotamanual 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Apparently he regretted that he didnt reconcile and say water under the bridge and thanks for being my partner as music legends together and all that. Sad sad sad

    • @LeahDyson-kq4bd
      @LeahDyson-kq4bd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool name

  • @dgenerated
    @dgenerated 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Their love for the Ramones and their business sense, outweighed their dislike for one another.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Very true.

    • @kalebvera1841
      @kalebvera1841 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      they stayed together all those years for the kids

    • @JelloFluoride
      @JelloFluoride 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We didn't deserve such a great band

  • @eivindgj3761
    @eivindgj3761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The fact that Johnny was depressed for a whole week after Joey died proves that, deep inside he had respect for Joey fun fact Joey sent a Christmas card every year to Johnny.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where did you read about Johnny being depressed about Joey after his death? Would be curious to read more about it.

    • @eivindgj3761
      @eivindgj3761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Frumess he Said it in the documentary end of the century when he wears the weird sunglasses

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jon if it's in End of the Century, then I've seen it, I guess I just don't remember

  • @Dead_Solid_Irish
    @Dead_Solid_Irish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The Ramones, the most influential band of the last 50 years, and my favorite.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of the last 50 years? I think so. I really do.

    • @Waachiye
      @Waachiye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And to this very day, still the *most underrated/under appreciated band* to *ever* hit a music stage, as well.

    • @MrJett1971
      @MrJett1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Waachiye I’d hardly call them underrated or unappreciated. They’ve sold millions of albums, been in movies and tv shows, sold untold millions of T-shirts, influenced hundreds of bands (if not thousands, including mine), and been inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame.

    • @GilbertSyndrome
      @GilbertSyndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Waachiye I wouldn't call them underappreciated, tbh.

  • @seagullpoet
    @seagullpoet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Seeing The Ramones on stage - each time - was fast and thunderous !
    It was like being on a runaway train at midnight.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't even imagine!

    • @hulkjam2888
      @hulkjam2888 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      even im from Greece,,i hear once upon a time from a punk guy,that RAMONES played the best live for all the groups ever,,

  • @HankFinkle11
    @HankFinkle11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Pizza Jeff is annoying as hell.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😘😘😘

    • @The3Stooges
      @The3Stooges 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you think he's annoying, you should meet his slightly slower cousin Stromboli Bob. Together they're insufferable!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@The3Stooges 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘

    • @written12
      @written12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He’s into the Ramones. His love and interest are genuine. He just needs to give more space to the person he’s interviewing.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@written12 I appreciate your constructive criticism, truly. This is A. A clip from a 90 minute interview and B. There are other factors at play... but yes, I could benefit greatly from this advice. Thank you.

  • @arthurvaisvilas7853
    @arthurvaisvilas7853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As i get older and feel like I'm losing touch with the Ramones, I always think back to when i first played the first Ramones album. This then resets my first experience listening to them. words cannot describe how this band impacted my life back then. i soon after threw away all of my albums except for my Beatle albums. gabba gabba hey!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As Joey once said when asked why he didn't cover the Beatles: "You can't mess with perfection. You can't mess with it."

    • @KyOte13
      @KyOte13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I feel this… putting on those albums that made you jump as a teen, brings you back to life again.

  • @fangzine937
    @fangzine937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Johnny always seemed like a very dominant personality, whereas Joey always seemed like a pretty shy and laid back type of guy. This in itself could cause issues - Johnny seeing Joey as a pushover or weak in some way, and Joey seeing Johnny as an overbearing bully. I dont want to read to much into it - but Johnny was a Nixon Republican - I can just picture Joey thinking about Johnny "Your a Nazi Baby!!!"

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I am sure that added to the dynamic between them.

    • @GilbertSyndrome
      @GilbertSyndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was pretty much what happened with "KKK", Joey's dig at Johnny for being a republican, and for stealing his girl.

    • @animaljustice7774
      @animaljustice7774 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah

    • @opaljk4835
      @opaljk4835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GilbertSyndrome apparently that’s about joeys girlfriend who was black that had strict parents, whom they would jokingly refer to as the kkk.

    • @leahflower9924
      @leahflower9924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      who cares Ramones music wasn't supposed to be political that was for the brits and the dumb hardcore scene johnny played guitar really fast and was in an important band that's all that matters damn

  • @SGTXSAVAGE
    @SGTXSAVAGE ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man…. I’ve been watching Jeff’s Misfits content for a while now and I’ve recently gotten back into the Ramones again for the first time in a while (my first favorite band as a kid) and I am stoked Jeff also has all this Ramones content I can nerd out on! Love it! 💪💥⚡️💀🤌

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spanks, we love the ramones here at Frumess TV, plenty to explore. I always have those kinds of resurgences too with bands I love. This is a clip from a longer 90 minute interview BTW.

  • @LVGRIFFETH
    @LVGRIFFETH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One issue I have when people interview industry ppl, they talk more than the guest. It's not about Pizza Jeff, but what Monte has to say about the Ramones, especially Johnny and Joey

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You aren't wrong. But the style on my shows is more of a back and forth conversation. This is a clip from a 90 minute conversation with Monte.

  • @jdessell
    @jdessell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It's a damn shame that a woman almost broke up one of the greatest rock bands in history. By the way, if you ever listen to Linda talk for more than 3 minutes you will have a migraine. I can literally not understand how that woman became the breaking point between Joey & Johnny.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Funny thing is, I am not sure they almost broke up because of it. In a way they seemed to effortlessly carry on despite it...

  • @thetruckersmanifesto3873
    @thetruckersmanifesto3873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When you hear someone you truly cared about dies, even when u don't really know them, it hurt.. I was driving to work, hurd it on the radio, ohh man. DeeDee come on. Probably cried a little

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally agree. And I have been there.

  • @insidetheuniverse1
    @insidetheuniverse1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think Johnny and joey did talk because how did they get all these new songs out after John was married ? They had to work together lol

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolutely, on some level they had to.

  • @JMarinelli
    @JMarinelli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everett True covers the Johnny/Joey feud fairly thoroughly in his Ramones book.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's that one called? I will have to check it out.

  • @hirampriggott1689
    @hirampriggott1689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    23 years together in a band from beginning to end is pretty impressive. Whatever feud there was seems meaningless. Every band in the world has squabbles within it's members.

  • @kirby711
    @kirby711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Without the Ramones where would we be....lost

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Truly lost.

    • @tommybrackett5519
      @tommybrackett5519 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Without Jesus as your Savior your lost...

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommybrackett5519 🤘

    • @kirby711
      @kirby711 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommybrackett5519 what to do honor the Trinity

    • @GilbertSyndrome
      @GilbertSyndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommybrackett5519 The apostrophe and the "e" are truly lost.

  • @jerrybergsteinbaum8008
    @jerrybergsteinbaum8008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love your content. Love these bands like nothing else.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too Jerry, thanks for watching!!

  • @hellboundrubber4448
    @hellboundrubber4448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    People forget Dee Dee was The Ramones as far as writing the lyrics. I put him in the Rock n Punk Hall of Fame just on his ownself. Dee's jumping around was what stood out most. And influenced other bands to be just as crazy. Like the Chili Peppers etc. Johnny had the 2min cool riff and Joey was a Nerd who was cool. Lead singers were never Nerds. Live they were theeeee Loudest ever! Marshall madness to the Max. Ramones were groundbreakers.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He was the heart and soul when it came to writing for the band...

    • @scottstalcup6980
      @scottstalcup6980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Flo and Eddie from The Turtles were pretty nerdy, and proudly so.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scottstalcup6980 and we love them for it.

    • @idontcare2851
      @idontcare2851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the* Ramones. They aren’t The Ramones, they are Ramones

  • @grantm902
    @grantm902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    as someone who read Monte's book quite a lot as a youth, IMO what he wrote gave off the impression of absolute coldness a lot! He could've written more of what he says now in the book, if both me and the interviewer read it and inferred a lot more tension than there was between Joey and Johnny.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I found those wires to be crossed. His answers were very different in their tone/perspective from what I read in the book!

  • @hellfire8883
    @hellfire8883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Im only 4 min. In and already im having difficulty concentrating on what monte is saying. I understand this is an interview and questions will be asked and aknowledgment of what your guest is saying is important but sometimes one needs to let the interviewee talk without so many interjections by the interviewer the loud mhhm, right, yep, sures It take away attention from whats being said by your guests and honestly gets annoying. Im not trying to put you down but just some thoughts by a viewer. I would just be aware of those things. Because lets face it we all want to learn and get better at what we have passions for. We learn things and get better by repetition and experience. listening to feedback is ultimately important on a platform like TH-cam. In order to reach more viewers one has to sometimes cater to what is being said by listening to feedback. You can't please everyone all the time and nor should anyone try. But if something is repeated being said by many ppl it may be a good idea to listen to them and try to accommodate viewers suggestions. HEY! HO! LET'S GO!!! ......Gabba Gabba hey!!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for this feedback, I appreciate it, truly.

  • @jimmyleon2983
    @jimmyleon2983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't think things ever got physical between Johnny & Joey, but Johnny did slap Dee Dee in the head a few times when he got pissed off at him, usually for screwing up during a live show.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All those Dee Dee bass jumps!

  • @oldmanpatriot1490
    @oldmanpatriot1490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I started playing serious guitar at the age of 12 in 1982.. By 1984 I was playing in bar bands. Had older friends from other bands that would sneak me in the back door of the local pub that most the hard rock bands played at,, it was a great time to be a up and coming musician. Although I liked the Ramones I didnt really fully grasp or understand the significance of the band.. Now that Im older and revisiting my roots,, I have a much better appreciation for what they did and stood for.. I cant even call todays crap music its sooo horribly bad.. To quote Joey Ramone,,, ""We need a healthy amount of fuck you"" in music today and its missing in my opinion.. There isnt even a music scene in my area today.. I miss the Ramones and those times..

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their brilliance was in their simplicity and their ability to grasp it.

  • @CP-kb1du
    @CP-kb1du 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ramones are Legends to many ...High School Memories ...

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Legends forever.

  • @RobbyBloodshed
    @RobbyBloodshed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was awesome!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Monty was great!

  • @1967PONTIACGTO
    @1967PONTIACGTO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They both loved the Ramones .. thankfully!!...and they were both irreplaceable and they both knew it... why Johnny said after Joey's death that that was the end of the Ramones.

  • @jaycolejones5073
    @jaycolejones5073 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You can replace anybody but not JOEY!!!😥😥😥

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost everyone was replaced but Joey... and Johnny.

    • @jaycolejones5073
      @jaycolejones5073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Frumess yessir😎

    • @jrg770
      @jrg770 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I love the Ramones but it is Joey's voice and way of singing that makes the band special for me.

    • @MrJett1971
      @MrJett1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joey. Johnny. Dee Dee. Tommy. Those are the only real Ramones. Everybody else was a placeholder…a warm body…a scab.

    • @GilbertSyndrome
      @GilbertSyndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrJett1971 Marky, Richie and CJ were inarguably great at what they did, though.

  • @seanmurphy26
    @seanmurphy26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This guy, Pizza Jeff, is a Momo!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 😘

  • @luzbeelluzbella369
    @luzbeelluzbella369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I kind of know what he's talking about but I'm being on stage and being high from the energy of the people. Once I audition for America's got talent in the Sharon Osborne and two other guys as a judges. When you are on stage it is something else it's like magic.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the most addicting drugs ever.

  • @idontcare2851
    @idontcare2851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like to say “they had a mutual disrespect with emphasis on the respect”

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a good way to put it.

  • @robr5786
    @robr5786 ปีที่แล้ว

    I read where Johnny wanted to call but Arturo told him it was better if he didnt

  • @jay2times814
    @jay2times814 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Ramones forever👊
    PMA

  • @jimmyleon2983
    @jimmyleon2983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:50 I think it's cool Johnny kept Linda away from The Ramones.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think he had much of a choice to be honest..

  • @menswear2112
    @menswear2112 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Linda was quite the looker back then

  • @daviddavis3155
    @daviddavis3155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello Monte!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Monte! Monte! Monte!

  • @thetruckersmanifesto3873
    @thetruckersmanifesto3873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember thinking, he's a sweet guy, like kinda took back buy my admiration.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A testament of his character.

  • @thetruckersmanifesto3873
    @thetruckersmanifesto3873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lived on a houseboat with my dad there, I was all over that place u know, ditching 🏫 school smoking weed n shit.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You were a pirate?

  • @gdr17racing51
    @gdr17racing51 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    mad that i couldnt see all these bands play man

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too, missed the Ramones as well. Was cool to see a Ramones set from CJ and Daniel Rey.

    • @gdr17racing51
      @gdr17racing51 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Frumess yea i mean i wasnt even born when joey and Johnny died... unfortunatly I didnt understand music enough to try and meet tommy. At least I can still listen to them??

  • @joeyshabbadoo
    @joeyshabbadoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @2:15 he almost says schtick

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣

  • @SkragorSkumdreg
    @SkragorSkumdreg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gabba gabba hey!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We accept you one of us!

  • @thetruckersmanifesto3873
    @thetruckersmanifesto3873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DeeDee ohh come on , he was a sweet guy. If u know him the way I did. I saw him in Seattle, smoking a cigarette man. I thought ohh no. I said are u DeeDee Ramone, he said I guess so. You're my hero. Ge said ohh come on.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like something he would say.

  • @jarmominkkinen9409
    @jarmominkkinen9409 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ho fucking kare The are Legends four ever❤️👏🎼🎸

  • @rubenperez3882
    @rubenperez3882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pizza Jeff talks too much.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😘

  • @lemonderangello
    @lemonderangello 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    just normal people

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gabba gabba!

    • @danielcastllomarfull
      @danielcastllomarfull 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Normal people? The Ramones? 🙄

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielcastllomarfull 😂

  • @autumnthomas1830
    @autumnthomas1830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not Joey ❤

  • @thetruckersmanifesto3873
    @thetruckersmanifesto3873 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They were fun

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      100 percent!

  • @planreview
    @planreview 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Sub-till”?!

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ??

    • @marchenoecker
      @marchenoecker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Frumess Subtle. Gawd this conversation made me dumberer.

  • @superbug1977
    @superbug1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pizza Jeff: low talent

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😘

  • @seanfagan6998
    @seanfagan6998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Note to pizza Jeff you are indoors take off your sun glasses.

  • @sufferyt3879
    @sufferyt3879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pizza Jeff

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🍕😎🍕

  • @joeyramone8366
    @joeyramone8366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    jeff, let the man answer...stop talking

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry Joey, big fan!

  • @seanfagan6998
    @seanfagan6998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow Joey and Johnny are opposite. Simple move on I am glad Joey refused to play South America so Marky didn't get that last big pay check. Lol 😆 🤣 😂

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No.

    • @fiddleback1568
      @fiddleback1568 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah same here. Marky was a Johnny come lately to the band. And the way he talks and acts you'd think he was the founding member.

    • @joel8750
      @joel8750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@fiddleback1568 He's probably a bit insecure about that. Probably why he downplays Richie's role in the group.

    • @fiddleback1568
      @fiddleback1568 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@joel8750 And the fact he's really bald.

    • @GilbertSyndrome
      @GilbertSyndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fiddleback1568 He was the immediate drummer after Tommy. Not sure in what realm of reality that could be considered "late."

  • @rocioenevoldsen3463
    @rocioenevoldsen3463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Johnny was a good musician, but a horrible human being. Joey should go away and start his own band, he has a wonderful voice 🥰

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was a nasty dude, icons and legends can be complicated.

  • @TheEleatic
    @TheEleatic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like.............like

  • @kc9242
    @kc9242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Monty is patient, less host more guest, jeez.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then watch the whole 90 minute thing instead of this clip.

    • @kc9242
      @kc9242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Frumess No thanks, that was enough of YOU.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kc9242 thank you for taking the time and spending the energy to leave the comments. You are such a gift to the world 😘

    • @kc9242
      @kc9242 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Frumess Thank you for the acknowledgement.

    • @Frumess
      @Frumess  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kc9242 🍕😎🍕