ApolloKage should stop pulling out grenades against Rosa and only use them against Luma if needed. Once Luma is dead (dash attack is great for this), he can apply pressure with down tilts, grabs, and dash attack. When Rosa is offstage, he should bait Rosa's down B out with Nikita (canceled) or Up Smash, then run offstage to punish it if there is an opening. When Rosa is high up, throwing out up smash is fine to bait out Rosa down special or air dodges. Even just throwing the grenades up for the "tap" damage is okay, especially if it baits out Rosa's down special.
@@Luhcalmmattyice I apologize if I sounded like I "know better." I don't mean to sound arrogant. In reality, Dabuz performed perfect spacing and had solid reads. It was fantastic to watch. Please also keep in mind that I'm commentating on the match from a viewer's perspective. I'm not saying I would have done better if I were playing, especially under that pressure. I'm not even good, but I know Snake inside and out, and I'm quite familiar with Rosa. ApolloKage probably doesn't have much experience playing against Rosa (especially since Dabuz is the only Rosa player). He certainly wasn't familiar with Rosa's end lag on down special. However, I think ApolloKage would agree with me on some of this. Here are some examples. Grenades are great for limiting the opponent's options, giving you some stage control and easier reads. However, Rosalina can easily capture grenades, which extends the grenade timer, and use them herself against Snake. Because Snake runs slowly, he can't play the long range game against Rosalina. If Rosalina simply jumps backward and presses down B, Snake won't reach her in time for a punish after throwing a grenade at her. Snake needs to get in close if he's gonna use grenades against Rosa and keep up the pressure with grab mix-ups and Z-drop aerials. Playing defensive against Rosalina as Snake is suicide. He also frequently walked backwards into Rosa while holding a grenade (likely so that the grenade blows up easier), but this removes his option for a grab mix-up. He might also walk backwards for the back-air mix-up, like at 24:56, though. Perhaps that's just his preference, but I think removing the option to grab is foolish (back air also has massive end lag). Look at 17:37, where Snake at 165% walks backward with a grenade toward Luma. What was the plan here? Snake is helpless here, and Dabuz didn't need to hold his shield that long and then jump (Dabuz probably held it for the other grenade, assuming it would blow up earlier). ApolloKage risked his stock by doing that but also had little to gain from it and also few options in that state. My best guess is that he's trying to kill Luma, which is a great decision, but he doesn't need to get quite that close to hit with a grenade and risk his stock, so I'm not sure if he was going for Luma or for Rosalina. A better way to go about it is what he did at 22:09. It was safer and more effective. Luma's presence makes it difficult if not sometimes impossible to punish Rosa as Snake, but when Luma was gone... ApolloKage was waaaay too defensive once he got up close. For example, at 16:54, Rosa grabs a grenade and shields Snake's dash attack. Then, ApolloKage runs away! Rosa had only 4 aggressive options there. Throw grenade (which does nothing), Z-drop rising aerial, spot dodge, or shield (since the grenade will explode). Snake was only at 70%, whereas Rosa was at kill percent. The right choice for Snake would have been grab or up tilt, with grab being the safer option. If Snake guesses right, he can secure a kill (whether that be up tilt or grab into a read for up tilt or even just the grenade pop up to gain stage control). If he guesses wrong, what was the worst that could happen? The irony is that earlier at 16:52 (when Rosa was not holding a grenade and therefore had many more options), Snake decided to go for up tilt, which I think was a good choice for its speed and kill potential. It just didn't work out. Another example is 23:18. AK finally had a side special about to land on Dabuz. Dabuz chooses to shield it, and AK, right in front of Dabuz shields and rolls away instead of grabbing. Ex. 25:32 There was risk of death here for AK, since Dabuz could Z-drop back air, but I'm including it anyways because it was still a good time for Snake to go for the kill. Lastly, ApolloKage was too scared to go offstage to punish Rosalina. Granted, it can be a risky thing to do, but Rosalina's recovery is punishable when Luma isn't around. He shouldn't be reckless about it, but even simply jumping offstage as a fakeout to bait Dabuz into a poor air dodge or predictable up special would be better than merely using side special. Or even better, if he can get Dabuz to at least use his double jump, Snake will be a bigger threat for a punish. If Snake is going to use side special when Rosa is offstage, it should be to bait out Rosa's down B and then punish it, but he wasn't willing to ever go offstage for any reason. This wasn't good. He also wasn't patient at ledge. Sometimes doing nothing at the ledge applies waaaaay more pressure than pulling out a grenade and moving around. Ex. 16:48 (side special applies no pressure from this spacing), 19:12 (ApolloKage would have applied much more pressure by standing near the ledge and doing nothing than by double jumping and tossing a grenade in the air), 22:14 (there was potential to kill here with a good read and the right aerial, but even when behind, AK didn't even consider it as an option), 25:52 *(this is a perfect example of what I meant in my first comment. Snake baited out Rosa's down B in close proximity but then didn't go for the kill. Thankfully, he got it shortly afterward),* 29:33 (it's good he finally went for an offstage kill). 19:46 to 20:00, ApolloKage played patiently and well, but Dabuz outmaneuvered him, so he barely missed his kills. 26:02 Mad respect for AK's read on release of Down Special. He probably didn't know that it hits on both sides twice when Luma is there, though, unfortunately. Jumping out of shield would have been better. Maybe a jump air dodge or even jump down air. Game 4 is where it falls apart. He stopped using down tilt, but down tilt was extremely effective in Game 3. Dabuz was totally in his head on Game 4, getting solid reads and using impressively perfect spacing. Fun to watch. (Also, I'd love to play against Dabuz, AK, or any other pro. Getting destroyed is a great way for me to get better as a player.)
Damn it's crazy how Dabuz went from losing as Min Min to just dominating the rest of the set as Rosa. Even 3 stocking Apollo twice
The last game was absolutely brutal. I feel like Dabuz mentally destroyed Apollokage right there.
I never realised how huge Rosa's dair is until she spike through snake upb
Well played Rosas are insane to watch
rosa*
there’s only one
@@eclipse5703you should look up Yuzu from Japan and SOLO from the Netherlands
That was kinda brutal. A systematic takedown where there was no glimmer of hope for AK. Dabuz played it immaculate
11:07 Not plot armor. ApolloKage blew up his C4 on command. The commentators didn't notice
More than proud to be part of my old friend AK's entrance :)
Match starts at 8:36 lmaooo😂 you're welcome❤
I was wondering why a Semis match last over 30 minutes. It didn't officially start until almost a third way into the vid lol
@@zeospark9715 it was that long on stream also they really captured the likeness lol
Is ApolloKage aware that when Rosa absorbs grenade, it extends the grenade timer?
Apollokage was salty as fuck lmaoo
based on what
16:06 16:52 20:00 21:49 24:17 28:11 29:27 30:10
ApolloKage should stop pulling out grenades against Rosa and only use them against Luma if needed. Once Luma is dead (dash attack is great for this), he can apply pressure with down tilts, grabs, and dash attack. When Rosa is offstage, he should bait Rosa's down B out with Nikita (canceled) or Up Smash, then run offstage to punish it if there is an opening.
When Rosa is high up, throwing out up smash is fine to bait out Rosa down special or air dodges. Even just throwing the grenades up for the "tap" damage is okay, especially if it baits out Rosa's down special.
Lol you go and play vs Dabuz 😂 lmk how that goes
@@Luhcalmmattyice I apologize if I sounded like I "know better." I don't mean to sound arrogant. In reality, Dabuz performed perfect spacing and had solid reads. It was fantastic to watch. Please also keep in mind that I'm commentating on the match from a viewer's perspective. I'm not saying I would have done better if I were playing, especially under that pressure. I'm not even good, but I know Snake inside and out, and I'm quite familiar with Rosa. ApolloKage probably doesn't have much experience playing against Rosa (especially since Dabuz is the only Rosa player). He certainly wasn't familiar with Rosa's end lag on down special. However, I think ApolloKage would agree with me on some of this. Here are some examples.
Grenades are great for limiting the opponent's options, giving you some stage control and easier reads. However, Rosalina can easily capture grenades, which extends the grenade timer, and use them herself against Snake. Because Snake runs slowly, he can't play the long range game against Rosalina. If Rosalina simply jumps backward and presses down B, Snake won't reach her in time for a punish after throwing a grenade at her.
Snake needs to get in close if he's gonna use grenades against Rosa and keep up the pressure with grab mix-ups and Z-drop aerials. Playing defensive against Rosalina as Snake is suicide. He also frequently walked backwards into Rosa while holding a grenade (likely so that the grenade blows up easier), but this removes his option for a grab mix-up. He might also walk backwards for the back-air mix-up, like at 24:56, though. Perhaps that's just his preference, but I think removing the option to grab is foolish (back air also has massive end lag).
Look at 17:37, where Snake at 165% walks backward with a grenade toward Luma. What was the plan here? Snake is helpless here, and Dabuz didn't need to hold his shield that long and then jump (Dabuz probably held it for the other grenade, assuming it would blow up earlier). ApolloKage risked his stock by doing that but also had little to gain from it and also few options in that state. My best guess is that he's trying to kill Luma, which is a great decision, but he doesn't need to get quite that close to hit with a grenade and risk his stock, so I'm not sure if he was going for Luma or for Rosalina. A better way to go about it is what he did at 22:09. It was safer and more effective.
Luma's presence makes it difficult if not sometimes impossible to punish Rosa as Snake, but when Luma was gone... ApolloKage was waaaay too defensive once he got up close. For example, at 16:54, Rosa grabs a grenade and shields Snake's dash attack. Then, ApolloKage runs away! Rosa had only 4 aggressive options there. Throw grenade (which does nothing), Z-drop rising aerial, spot dodge, or shield (since the grenade will explode). Snake was only at 70%, whereas Rosa was at kill percent. The right choice for Snake would have been grab or up tilt, with grab being the safer option. If Snake guesses right, he can secure a kill (whether that be up tilt or grab into a read for up tilt or even just the grenade pop up to gain stage control). If he guesses wrong, what was the worst that could happen? The irony is that earlier at 16:52 (when Rosa was not holding a grenade and therefore had many more options), Snake decided to go for up tilt, which I think was a good choice for its speed and kill potential. It just didn't work out.
Another example is 23:18. AK finally had a side special about to land on Dabuz. Dabuz chooses to shield it, and AK, right in front of Dabuz shields and rolls away instead of grabbing.
Ex. 25:32 There was risk of death here for AK, since Dabuz could Z-drop back air, but I'm including it anyways because it was still a good time for Snake to go for the kill.
Lastly, ApolloKage was too scared to go offstage to punish Rosalina. Granted, it can be a risky thing to do, but Rosalina's recovery is punishable when Luma isn't around. He shouldn't be reckless about it, but even simply jumping offstage as a fakeout to bait Dabuz into a poor air dodge or predictable up special would be better than merely using side special. Or even better, if he can get Dabuz to at least use his double jump, Snake will be a bigger threat for a punish. If Snake is going to use side special when Rosa is offstage, it should be to bait out Rosa's down B and then punish it, but he wasn't willing to ever go offstage for any reason. This wasn't good. He also wasn't patient at ledge. Sometimes doing nothing at the ledge applies waaaaay more pressure than pulling out a grenade and moving around.
Ex. 16:48 (side special applies no pressure from this spacing), 19:12 (ApolloKage would have applied much more pressure by standing near the ledge and doing nothing than by double jumping and tossing a grenade in the air), 22:14 (there was potential to kill here with a good read and the right aerial, but even when behind, AK didn't even consider it as an option), 25:52 *(this is a perfect example of what I meant in my first comment. Snake baited out Rosa's down B in close proximity but then didn't go for the kill. Thankfully, he got it shortly afterward),* 29:33 (it's good he finally went for an offstage kill).
19:46 to 20:00, ApolloKage played patiently and well, but Dabuz outmaneuvered him, so he barely missed his kills.
26:02 Mad respect for AK's read on release of Down Special. He probably didn't know that it hits on both sides twice when Luma is there, though, unfortunately. Jumping out of shield would have been better. Maybe a jump air dodge or even jump down air.
Game 4 is where it falls apart. He stopped using down tilt, but down tilt was extremely effective in Game 3. Dabuz was totally in his head on Game 4, getting solid reads and using impressively perfect spacing. Fun to watch.
(Also, I'd love to play against Dabuz, AK, or any other pro. Getting destroyed is a great way for me to get better as a player.)
@@8CanadianBacon9 not reading that shit bruh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Luhcalmmattyice All good. I was just providing examples for my comments. Have a good day :)
good analysis
Yay dabuz
It's CRAAAZY AK got TWO TIMES that nikita trade xD
hi
WOAH AN ACTUAL E
I only watch this game on youtube and I gotta say, Snake is like the 2nd most boring character to watch.
Who Is the 1st?
@@kv4222 The minecraft dude. Its like the character is playing a single player game half the time.
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double cringe warning on the intro
cringe warning on the comment above
@@TigreExtremo UNO reverse cards are not accepted here
@@nathanlevesque7812but was needed n***a🙂
Min min vs snake might be one of the most boring matches to watch such lame characters