New Hulu doc explores use of rap lyrics as criminal evidence | ABC News
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- “Rap Trap: Hip-Hop on Trial” explores the national conversation reignited after prosecutors cited lyrics as evidence against rappers Young Thug and Gunna.
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If they are bragging about committing crimes so be it. They are telling on themselves.
@@sonyalphaadventure ....what? So it's not creative unless you tell on yourself or are you saying it's not creative unless you've done something illegal to then boast about?
So now everything a rapper say is true I know so many rappers that say they have this and that and don't have none of that.
@@kevinbundybundy4199 so you either know that the lyrics were directly connected to evidence that the police already had or you don’t, either way what you said isn’t what’s happening.
@@sonyalphaadventure because they’re not fictional. It’s actually hilarious. Some rappers will take a situation, rap about exact details of the incident, but change the names of two of the people involved and be like oh “it’s fictional”. Do you ever watch the key and Peele sketch about rapper snitching on themselves? That’s what I’m talking about here.
@@kevinbundybundy4199 sweetie if someone raps about a crime and then is found out to have committed the crime that is evidence.
Why do they keep trying to portray it like they are just using lyrics? It’s lyrics that are all corroborated by actual crimes
It is not uncommon for people to brag on and admit to crimes they had nothing to do with.
@@christopherharris6145 sure. But that’s not true in this case. There’s like 12 guys who have already turned on him that we’re charged with him
@@VIi726 Those 12 guys said was they was told to say so that they could go home. This is why physical actual evidence is crucial.
@@VIi726 Crazy 12 guys no evidence. This is the type of America you want to live in lol.
Most rappers are criminals!
Lock Eminem up today!!!
How do you know this????
Surely you must know most rappers.
Or are you just an ignorant person .
It's highly likely that you are an ignorant person who just wants to comment about this topic you know nothing about. Best you back to playing with your Barbie dolls .
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That's crap. I'm a #NavyVeteranKorea, retired county sheriff n know that's Crap.
TRUE! That's how they portray themselves. Great roll models ... 🤯
This whole topic is GOOFY. If you commit a crime, you should pay for it. Who cares if it's in a damn song?! The blatant ignorance at this point is embarrassing.
Agreed. It’s like us saying that the freedom of speech that some of these people on Instagram are using, flashings stolen goods or trying to lure people into scams, should be protected and not used against them. I don’t agree with them using up twisted lyrics and trying to forcefully trap someone because of something they have said. However, if there is other evidence against a person, and their lyrics match the crime being committed, it should be admitted as evidence in court.
@Sony Alpha Adventure not all lyrics are works of fiction. Many rappers or lyricist write about their experience and how they view things.
@Sony Alpha Adventure I never said without evidence.
@Sony Alpha Adventure if it can support the case, I don’t see why not. Once again, not all rap or general song lyrics are fictitious. I am willing to bring in lyrics, books, any form of art if it can add to a case. But I am also of a mindset that art can be a crime. Freedom of speech is all well and good but at some point, people have to be accountable for what they put out there. Slippery slope. I know. But these debates are happening all over the world and in some cases, the art definitely seems like a crime.
So are screen writers next?
RIGHT!
The Key and Peele skit is coming to real life LOL
Gunrack
This is where the prosecution got the idea for their Case.
On one hand they complain about having their freedom of expression violated but yet boast about living that life and accusing other rappers of being studio gangsters.. can’t have it both ways.
Stop confessing in their lyrics and this won’t happen.
It’s hard,man. “ You must be mindful “ like Mac said!
Can't tell everyone you're a criminal, then wonder why they believe it.
Bless you Mac. I'm from Atlanta too. I'm so glad you are free. Yes the world has changed. So many things are very different now. Sending love and prayers.💞🙏🏻
Rap music is the soundtrack to your favorite mob movie. Martin Scorsese has not seen a courtroom.
Prove your case with no false additives...
EXCELLENT Statement.
Interesting
@Wild Heart what imagination lyrics back up crime? I can write a rap about a bank robbery just by watching a movie. Am I a bank robber because I have the mentality to be one? If I live in the area of a bank robbery was it me? Lazy police work.
LOL .. except when it described a crime that took place. The worst thing that can happen to people who want to be seen is something happening where they cant get credit for the event.
You might think people are stupid and most are but the problem is rappers are even dumber that the people who you think are stupid ... Tupac wanted to live the life he wrapped about and we all know where that got him. rappers think that people really care about their street cred when most white kids who buy their music could care less!!!
Drake and Future is 10 times as big as thug will ever be or any of the hoodlums who cant leave that life alone ... Little wayne didnt kill anyone or had to , niki minag didnt , Cardi didnt, Ludacris didnt, Nelly didnt , Jay z didnt, but for some reason those are the biggest names in rap but again, they want to be that tough guy until the white man who is tougher shows up at their doors and then they arent so tough anymore
If he didn't kill anyone then his gun should've proved that. As far as rearranging lyrics I am definitely against something like that. But I don't believe that's happening nowadays. Plus yrics are usually now used to show correlation and admission to crime. Not character assassination.
Of course rap is the only genre they go after. You dont see country and rock stars signing about blasting their rivals and commiting crimes.
I heard Johnny Cash killed a man in Reno just to watch him die…
@@wildheart2978 That's not true. Because the newest genre of rock these days is trap metal. And trap metal is nothing but trap music combined with heavy metal. And you have rappers that are members of that genre that talk about committing crimes and their songs all the time. And because of that a lot of them have appeared on the FBI's radar. Look up zillakami and bones and suicideboys because they talk about committing crimes and their lyrics all the time. Because zillakami came out with a video and it had rocket launchers and grenade launchers in it. And because of that rap video the FBI was looking for him. He also incriminated himself in that video to. You have plenty of people in the Rock industry that talks about committing crimes all the time. Because I just gave you a few of them.
So both of you all are wrong.
There’s lots of “you” in prison, Will I AM, because you keep killing each other and then bragging about it on wax.
Crime is a crime period. Prosecutors have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime has been committed, with or without rap lyrics!
Yea but rap helps push violence like Rock n Roll push doing drugs and look like a junky
Facts. I watched the first episode. They make it seems like they are targeting rappers due to lyrics. There are evidence against these rappers. They won’t get a conviction just on lyrics.
If crime is crime then you don't NEED the lyrics
White woman wrote how she killed her husband the judge wouldn't use her words why is this?
That’s the Night the Lights went Out in GA
Facts
and that was after she killed her husband to and the judge throw it out , damn shame
Am I missing the backstory here? Google says Bobby Russell who was Vicki Lawrence’s then husband, wrote The Night the zLights Went Out in Georgia.
Many of these songs are laid as sound tracks for movie projects where the lyrics follow or describe the scene. That's my understanding. But if someone did something and worse about it that's not good.
where did you get that from? sound tracks dont reflect or describe scenes in movies!!! maybe you should do more research on what exactly are sound tracks and how they are used ....
@@bjvu9460 well maybe I will. Not too important. Just my understanding. I like to write and I have written a song or two to describe a chapter that had no music to describe the emotion. I believe I'm not alone. Just saying
Imagine prosecuting every artist for expressing their deepest thoughts, poetry would not exist. This is a ridiculous
There is evidence to go alone with them lyrics
imagine mfs gonna make it real lol
You understand the difference between writing poetry and writing poetry that's also telling on yourself right?
@@carmenjohnson1834 he do just another example of excusing bm behavior that’s all. Which is why the black community is the way it is
Some rappers promote gang violence through their lyrics and videos.Hope the change.Rap have blessed so many lives and destroy so many too.
I don't think they should be used against you in court, most of the time the rappers are rapping about movies they have seen. Your taking away 🗣️ FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!
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They need to look at it as Criminals ruining the genre instead as musicians being targeted because some of these guys are criminals not musicians 🤦🏿♂️
I REMEMBER WRITEING A RAP LYRIC IN SCHOOL THAT TEACHER SAW WHAT I WRITTEN THEY SENT MY ASS TO THE MENTAL WARD🤣 #JR HIGH SCHOOL DAYS I DIDN'T KNOW 🤷
did anyone else hear about the ghost writers of rap or how a manager or producer may suggest the changing of a lyric to the artist who takes the suggestion - that is not all the artist. but the artist ends up on trial for the lyrics
When I learned that Young was arrested, I was in pain, I even canceled my trip to Switzerland. Free the Black Young
This has been happening in Toronto for over 11 years.. that was jus my introduction. Surprised only now.. its becoming an issue internationally
This is a REALLY slippery slope! If somebody is a criminal, why do you need the music as a confession? You don't have evidence? - video, phone calls, informants/undercover cops, phone/computer data, social media posts, documents, etc.? Nothing?
Idk, to me it's sus that lyrics - artistic expression - are even necessary😬
my professor has us watching this video for an upcoming midterm.
Rap music is the only music that talks about driving around the block shooting people, and then mentioning their names in 20 other songs. No other genre of music talks about destroying their community. If they did, there lyrics would be used just like rap artist lyrics are. And I only listen to rap music. It’s gotten to the point where I hate these new artists. The only thing they talk about is shooting and guns and “sliding” on their opposition (opps). It’s an epidemic at this point.
Yeah... how is this any different that when someone commits a mass shooting and people look back at their facebook posts or whatever and find disturbing language? I think it's totally fair. That shows their state of mind. So, let's not be hypocrites here. If you are going to be singing about violence, murder and other criminality, maybe you should put in a disclaimer that this is all fictional, rather than trying so hard to make your fans believe you are an authentic gangster or whatever. You can't have it both ways. Or just don't do it at all. Rap has a rich history or not being so overly aggressive and pollute the minds of kids with that sort of stuff. Also, it is a complete fabrication that rap is the only music style that has issues like this. Ever heard of Marilyn Manson, for example???
Even in cases such as you mention ARE not used as often as you contend. Each social media post must be vetted n cleared thru a Judge. As to its credible connection to the specific crime.
Don't self snitch.
I'm behind fani Willis, lock them up!
If there's enough proof? Fine. But this contending Song Lyrics is Credible Evidence is CRAP.
@@alphaomega5909 and black people wonder y white people and other races don't respect u. 🤔 U glorifying negative behavior
@@GnosticPath Bwwwahaha. Kiddo I'm an old Curmudgeonly #NavyVeteranKorea, retired county sheriff n as Pasty A$$ Caucasian as it gets. But words, literature, lyrics ARE NOT DIRECT "Confessions " . I.e., credible EVIDENCE. This legal theory is a Very Questionionable First Amendment slope. My eldest grandson a highly successful Attorney. We talked about this exact story last week,. None in our family are Softies on Criminals. But this lyrics thing. Is CRAP.
@@alphaomega5909 as Malcolm x said, white liberals r more dangerous than the KKK cuz there cunning with there hatred.
Rap is detrimental to the African American community. And I'm talking about gangsta rap. Not old school hip hop conscious music
@@GnosticPath Bwwwahaha. Kiddo I'm an old Curmudgeonly CAUCASIAN as I informed you. I don't like rap, hip hop, Bubble Gum pop, most of today's Youngsters "Music". The lip synching, artificial synthetic sounds (versus truly knowing how to play an instrument or SING,). That Said? LYRICS are just LYRICS. NOT EVIDENCE. Even that Gangsta Rap I've heard,,,is mere words. Not CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. Stop acting all educated ,lol. Constitutionally this tactic by this albeit Impressive Prosecutor will get struck down eventually. I guarantee it. Let's talk again I. About 5 yrs,lol.
Think what you want but this wasn't just about music because a lot of rapper's nowadays are telling on themselves either through their music or on social media and they do it just for clout and bragging rights. 🤷🏻♂️
Would they use Bob Marleys's lyrics from "I Shot the Sherriff" to obtain a post-mortem conviction?!
Protect yourself; Learn to read what the contract is asking, trademark your brand & secure your art, be educated in banking, seek help for accredited representation, and last strong support system. But limited entourage
I don't know who any of them are but glad that their lyrics are being held as evidence to a crime.
My lady what world are you living on ! I live in the Caribbean island I know about young thug
@@ronattamurray142 I'm 45 years old and in Mexico. My generation was 2Pac and Ice Cube, Latifah, etc. With all due respect to this guy- those were REAL talent. But to each their own!
Consider yourself lucky!
@@Anti-Ignorance Me? Oh, definitely. The best generation of musical talent for sure. I'm now thinking about Latifah's U.N.I.T.Y. That was the best!
@@edyann ok
I don’t think raps are gang related bragging rights. They’re what the artist sees n feels as they become adults. Obviously there is a huuuge percentage that blow themselves up and make them sounder harder, but it’s the same idiotic argument that violent video games cause teens to be violent. The stupidity of people taking a video game or a verse as facts is as stupid as the people their actually taking these verses with THAT MUCH intention. Lotta those people are in the courtroom.
This is unreal. Government officials violating the first amendment to boost their careers is shameful.
I almost turned it off in the first few seconds. They really try to use Bohemian Rhapsody from Queen, specifically the lyrics about how he just killed a man, as an example of how since it's not Hip Hop he can say those things and no one is trying to use that a evidence against him. Dude, that song isn't Queen literally saying "We literally killed a man" like how some Hip Hop artists do. I'll keep watching, but that fallacious argument is not giving me the impression this is going to be an honest account of stuff.
2:40 why not country music? a lot killing words
Mac was the first rapper lyrics they use in court. I remember that. Damn
Mac who ? Mac Dre !?
Mac Dre's lyrics were used against him in the early 90's .
Some rappers embellish or down right lie so will they all be charged? Ridiculous!
The Beatles white album lyrics were used in the Manson trials
Most people rap about alot of stuff don't mean they did it or doing
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Umm yeaaa that's why not every rapper is arrested.....🤔😅😅
Mac is THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME. Even above Pac. Because he did not steal anyone's songs, he did not use writers, he was not sent from the government and etcetera. Dawg the G.O.A.T.!
Girrll stop muling for these men who don't even like you 🙄.....
Art imitates life. Case closed.
All Young black artist. Come sign with Big time records
Well they all SHOULD be in jail if there going by the RAPPERS LYRICS
I'm black, I love hip hop, and Eminiem and J.cole are my favorite artist, but Imma be real. Gun violence is too much and we have to stop talking about it in our music. That and rapping about abusing women, ain't cool imo.
Anything goes to convict black men. Can you use actors actions and words against them? Ok then. If none of the executives that profit most from the music can’t be arrested then how should the artist who is making a small percentage? The music is owned by the label in most cases.
If you’re doing crimes and rapping about it then I do think it’s fair game for prosecutors to admit your lyrics as evidence. Now, let’s be clear that rap is an art form and can be performative. Not everyone that raps about crime is actually doing crime. There’s so many other things to rap about instead of bragging about your street credit.
i feel like dats how they be coming up w the crazy bars🗿
hip hop to the younger gen they don’t see hip hip as self expression
Yea but someone back then brought it to real crime like back in the 80s the crack era exploded they even had real king pin dealers and killers going to the local neighborhood concerts and block parties. Also, real street criminals booking rappers and singers to perform in their block parties or clubs in the hood
2:06 ppl gonna catch her on streets soon, just watch
Most def
What about Blind Channel or Rain City Drive can their lyrics and music put them in jail? These people to me are all fake gangsters using drill rap to make money. It's up to the legal system to separate the real from the fake. I don't believe in the illuminate, but I know rich and famous people have a lot of influence on society. I hope justice is done and I hope it's based on facts not songs.
Shouldn't they have more than that to even lock you up what's next a movie
What about them part- Norwegian hate-wars microphone rehearsal and command, using microphones to scream kill blacks?
First amendment right. Should be protected under freedom of speech and opinions.
getting 20 years for nothing, wtfffffffffffffff
So why drake not in jail
YALL DONT SEE HIP HOP LEADING THE YOUTH TOO THE SYSTEM. They turned Hip Hop too a Trap recording label 🏷 stop playing 😆
What happen to the days when hip -hop was a lyrical art and saying this type of music wouldn’t last and it’s the most popular genre ever. However, the heart ❤️ of hip-hop is not doing so well and it’s been because of gangsta rap which is different types of hip-hop but gangsta rap and hardcore hip hop always had
A bad rep since the 80s
I know someone who was raped. The rapist wrote a letter acknowledging the rape. When his victim wanted it addressed in court, her lawyer told her that he and his defense would get off by simply claiming that he wrote it as a joke...This after he'd acknowledged it during the hearing for the restraining order.
The same tactic could apply here...
In sorry to hear that happened. That's a great point of the slippery slope with what is and what isn't considered "a joke," "just poetry," etc. Where do we claim art, and where do we claim a confession? When do we claim one or the other? Unfortunately the law is about who has the best lawyer with the best argument, and not necessarily who is innocent or guilty. Truly sorry that happened to someone!
Dam thugga
In the YSL Woody video, @2:58:00 Woody confesses to shooting 2 people that day; hence the reason for the reckless driving, the bullets in his pants, and the reason for offering as many lies as the police wanted him to tell on Young Thug smh.
Woody thought that he was caught red-handed with shooting 2 people, hence the reason he kept asking what was he REALLY being charged with. The African American male officer kept telling him that he was being charged with reckless driving and no valid license ONLY due to the bullets were federal.
The female detective mentioned a gun as reverse psychology - she knew Woody was hiding something much bigger than reckless driving and ammunition with no gun, because Woody kept OFFERING information about Young Thug, in exchange for Woody's freedom. The detective knew that Woody knew that a petty driving charge and ammunition didn't carry much weight/jail time (Woody had already ditched the gun, and she didn't know that he had shot 2 people). You can tell that the gun was never found, hence the reason they didn't press Woody about what he had done (shot 2 people), they never mentioned ballistics or gun powder residue on Woody's person (cause they didn't know about the shooting until 2:58:00), they never asked why he changed into someone else's dirty pants with bullets in the pockets. Plus, Woody had already ditched the gun, hence he knew that whatever gun the police had did not belong to him; which is why, when the female detective mentioned the gun, Woody then denied having a gun my mentioning that there were 2 other people in the car with him; that the car belonged to his girlfriend; that his girlfriend will have to turn herself in and take the gun charge smh; and the fact that he had shot 2 people was the original reason for trying to offer LIES on Young Thug - Woody thought the police knew that he had shot 2 people, but they didn't know, the detectives were simply PHISHING for info. The detectives probably have the gun now, cause Woody probably told them where to go find it smh.
In the YSL Woody video, @2:58:00, Woody confesses to shooting 2 people that day. hence the reason for the reckless driving & the bullets in his pants. The detectives mentioning a gun and saying that they wanted to help Woody, if he can help get the child killers off the street, was reverse psychology. Woody didn't snitch, he lied on Young Thug to save himself - MOTIVE TO LIE. Woody admitted to hating Young Thug because Young Thus is rich - MOTIVE TO LIE. Again, Woody thought he was caught red-handed for shooting 2 people - MOTIVE TO LIE.
The video leak was a setup by the prosecution and so was the pill passing incident in open court. The prosecution released the tape hoping Woody would be murdered, so it would look bad for Young Thug and enough to make the RICO stick. If you watch the tape, it is clear that they have no RICO case. The RICO charge is a historically racist and unconstitutional charge anyways, hence the reason the judge keeps denying the defense's motions smh. The officers on the tape only wanted Young Thug or anyone with a big name - they don't really care about justice for murdered women and children. They wanted Quavo until Woody said that Quavo was broke smh. Their whole case was built on Woody's confession, Woody confesses to shooting 2 people @2:58:00. Therefore, the RICO is invalid because clearly Woody was lying to get out of attempted/murder charges by asking for immunity in exchange for Young Thug. That pill passing incident and the tape leak were both setups. #FREEYOUNGTHUG #FREERKELLY
He got locked up Young thou
So, are they gonna do this to Snoop Dogg and the rest too? Then you mean to tell me that I will arest Farruko and Kendo just cause in one of their old song they where saying they were shooting at it each other but in reality it was just talking sht?
Alot of the rap out these days is about killing other gang members . Doing hits .more less it sucks and is garbage... real rap was in 80s and 90s which we will never see again cause these record labels only care about money and not what issues one song can bring with a diss ... 💯 Just speaking facts 💯
OMG you all need to fine something else to talk about
Mac was the best in No Limit .They did him bogus
Hulu... Lol... Who watches that horrible network
He gonna win this case!
Yeah right
Anything you say or do can be used against you in a court of law just because you gave yourself a nickname and make music doesn’t make you any exception rap music is the only music targeted this way because it’s the only music that has artists referencing murders I will refer you to Pooh sheisty and lil durks song back in black when you are ready come and get it Tupac back in blood and there’s a lil durk interview where he coughs to prevent his friend from admitting to his gang activity im assuming
Back in blood**
Lol are you going to prosecute all artists? Good luck
U can say what u plz if u not already in question of now what u saying...if u wasn’t really living it u can keep running ur mouth
Yep keep supporting Hollywood blindly!
Blackman start rapping about using Keyboards and tools 🔧 🤣 That's why I'm a Tradesmen
Pops : Aim am down the barrel at the back stop
Rap: Hold it sideways, close your eyes and squeeze it till it’s empty
Kkkontroversial hip hop
I got in trouble for tha same thing, but this was in 2006. Bottom line is, back than, certain people could not STAND RAP AT ALL, but instead of saying they can't stand rap, they will do some other stuff to get you :( IN 2023, it has got a lot better, just don't get stuck with a lame old prosecutor and you should be fine :)
Hip Hop is a rich culture, and storytelling is a crucial aspect. And it’s foul how law enforcement twist the words of artists, but it’s not what you say it’s how you say it.
You have be dead to believe American Dream 🤑
If you rap about your crime ... (sic)
what do you expect?
Gangsta rap gives no one hope. Go to school and get an education instead. Help to improve the life of others. Rap music doesn't do any good in helping the down trodden, those with food insecurities and the poor and homeless get ahead.
fuckschool thats why they rap
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Music is a Real Artist life 🧬
03:33 this is 🤯🤯🤯🤯
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Are lyrics considered FACTS??? How is that possible? Some of these songs are written by ghost writer's.... The judge is not thinking about this. This is FICTION NOT FACT. WE MAY AS WELL ARREST LITTLE BOY BLUE.
Gunna already said YSL is a gang sooo they can throw the lyrics in the trash now thug is Guilty...
ICP IS INNOCENT
young thug... who?
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I’m worried they will give him the death penalty 😂 love Necro