I believe you would have to seal the whole billet up with some mild steel or whatever method you’d like, just as long as it is 100 percent sealed. That way you can get to that forge welding temp but the brass will melt but has no where to go essentially.
I feel that every TH-cam'er should have an epic failure video every now and then it proves to the new maker that nobody is perfect and we all fail at times
Yea we fail a lot. Most if not all of mine make it to video if there is enough content to make a video. I think it is an important thing to show. Thats why i watch Alec Steele
I have been trying the same thing, more or less. I have layered steel, copper, and brass in a canister sandwich. Your video showed it was too hot and I could see brass squirting out. I have had reasonable results maybe around 950-1000 and have 50/50 success of it bonding good and not delaminating. I will keep trying as the three metals good really awesome in a blade.
The first press was way too hot. I'm used to doing it with copper which has a higher melting point than brass. I found that out the hard way. I'm hoping it was just me rushing through since I had a deadline one getting the steel ready which I couldn't meet so I had to change plans. Hopefully ill get it next try around.
@@JPsBladeworks I hope your next one is good and you have a cool video maybe. I will try some more brass/copper/steel this spring as it is challenging but sure looks great when it does bond.
the dark powder that looks like gunpowder ... or what material it is ... I have seen that they put it together with the materials and then close it by welding the metal box
Flux. Anytime I've seen this type of shenanigans they ad flux and surround it on all sides then sand off the outer steel. Also failure is far better than video's that just get it right in one try, thank you for walking us though the attempts. I really hope this helps someone else who's starting out.
I like to show the failures because it is kind of demoralizing when your learning and you cant get it right and all you see is everyone gets it in one shot. Rarely do we see the 3 failed billets before that one good billet. I cant wait to try again and hopefully not fail 😅
good...your videos are very good...sorry for the question, what is the dark powder that you have in the can that you put together with the other materials in the metal pipe...thank you...all your videos are very good
Its powdered high carbon steel. You can get it at most knife making supply websites. I get mine from Maritime Knife Supply. I find they have the best price with shipping accounted for for my area.
I was looking into making a brass demascus knife and if it weren’t for this video I would have done the same thing as you and welded it way to hot. Thanks for showing me this so that I don’t have to copy your mistake.
I follow this blacksmith named Shurap, he made a Damascus copper knife with 2 different metals that normally don’t forge weld together all that well. How he was able to do it, he added salt, pepper and dried chilli peppers to it to create a carbon source. Maybe give that a try.
Hi , you need to seem weld your billets all the way around and remember your not forge welding when you use this method your actually brazing . your seem weld will need to be almost perfect , if there are any small holes in it your brass or copper is going to leek out . Be gentle with it dont be so hard on the press.Good luck mate. P.S. i really enjoyed the video , youll get there, dont give up.😊👍
So i have zero experience. Im not a smith. I dont have a forge. I dont have welding gear. I went down a rabbit hole to get here, and what a ride. I want to tell you this is a super cool video. Have you succeeded at this attempt? Seriously very informative. My question. Would a canister damascus be a better idea?? Yes/no/why. Thanks
I have not tried it since and its been a year. I will probably try it again here in a month or two once my schedule opens up again. I think ill get it this time. I have gain a lot of experience in the last year. I dont think a canister would work because if i over heat it the brass will pool up at the bottom instead of evenly distribute. Its all about temp control which i did a poor job of that day.
I got too confident on my copper Damascus. Tried to make a way too big of a billet and had complete failure. Lost about 60$ worth of steel and 2 days work. So I feel for you. I haven’t tried brass yet, after watching your video I might wait. Lol.
Fortunately ive only lost like $30 of material. The core steel is still good. All i have to do is forge it flat and restack and its good as new. I will try again once i have more free time. For now i have to make the best knife i can in the 3 days i have left
Denis made one like this. Maybe check with him to see what he thinks? I’d like to try one of these next. I’m currently doing my 1200 layer random pattern damascus. This will be the highest layer count I’ve attempted
You should hit up Baker Forge and Tool. Them guys have patterns down pat. Do you think brazing the entire side of the billet keeping oxygen away would help? I don’t actually know. It’s just something I’ve seen other makers do
What were you trying to make and why did it have to meet a deadline? Love watching your videos you show the successes as well as failures and thats how you learn and inprove.
I was doing the build along challege hosted by red beard ops and a few other youtube channels. I ended up making a raindrop damascus knife instead but i was calling it close. Finished it last night at like 2am. Today was the deadline.
Hello young man never work copper or brass near their melting point, they will penetrate the parent material and create problems. Try and keep your working temp below critical 950C and below, it's harder to move the steel but less problems.
Let me know if you have any experience working with this type of material
I wish I knew the answer. Would this have worked if you used flux between the metal layers?
@@leeland3481 flux would hinder doing it like that since it would form a barrier between the layers rather then just the outside
I believe you would have to seal the whole billet up with some mild steel or whatever method you’d like, just as long as it is 100 percent sealed. That way you can get to that forge welding temp but the brass will melt but has no where to go essentially.
I feel that every TH-cam'er should have an epic failure video every now and then it proves to the new maker that nobody is perfect and we all fail at times
Yea we fail a lot. Most if not all of mine make it to video if there is enough content to make a video. I think it is an important thing to show. Thats why i watch Alec Steele
You gave it a good try! I'm glad you uploaded the video. Now I know what to try to avoid. Thank you for the upload!
Thank you for watching
I’m so hyped that this channel is doing good. You are getting better at your craft as well sir keep it ip
Thank you. I appreciate the support. I have some cool shit coming up.
I have been trying the same thing, more or less. I have layered steel, copper, and brass in a canister sandwich. Your video showed it was too hot and I could see brass squirting out. I have had reasonable results maybe around 950-1000 and have 50/50 success of it bonding good and not delaminating. I will keep trying as the three metals good really awesome in a blade.
The first press was way too hot. I'm used to doing it with copper which has a higher melting point than brass. I found that out the hard way. I'm hoping it was just me rushing through since I had a deadline one getting the steel ready which I couldn't meet so I had to change plans. Hopefully ill get it next try around.
@@JPsBladeworks I hope your next one is good and you have a cool video maybe. I will try some more brass/copper/steel this spring as it is challenging but sure looks great when it does bond.
the dark powder that looks like gunpowder ... or what material it is ... I have seen that they put it together with the materials and then close it by welding the metal box
Thats steel powder made from different steels. Its either 1080 or 1080 with 2% or 4% nickel steel to make it mimick 15n20 steel.
Flux. Anytime I've seen this type of shenanigans they ad flux and surround it on all sides then sand off the outer steel. Also failure is far better than video's that just get it right in one try, thank you for walking us though the attempts. I really hope this helps someone else who's starting out.
I like to show the failures because it is kind of demoralizing when your learning and you cant get it right and all you see is everyone gets it in one shot. Rarely do we see the 3 failed billets before that one good billet. I cant wait to try again and hopefully not fail 😅
good...your videos are very good...sorry for the question, what is the dark powder that you have in the can that you put together with the other materials in the metal pipe...thank you...all your videos are very good
Its powdered high carbon steel. You can get it at most knife making supply websites. I get mine from Maritime Knife Supply. I find they have the best price with shipping accounted for for my area.
I was looking into making a brass demascus knife and if it weren’t for this video I would have done the same thing as you and welded it way to hot. Thanks for showing me this so that I don’t have to copy your mistake.
Glad i could help
I follow this blacksmith named Shurap, he made a Damascus copper knife with 2 different metals that normally don’t forge weld together all that well. How he was able to do it, he added salt, pepper and dried chilli peppers to it to create a carbon source. Maybe give that a try.
What materials did weld together?
Hi , you need to seem weld your billets all the way around and remember your not forge welding when you use this method your actually brazing . your seem weld will need to be almost perfect , if there are any small holes in it your brass or copper is going to leek out . Be gentle with it dont be so hard on the press.Good luck mate. P.S. i really enjoyed the video , youll get there, dont give up.😊👍
Thank you...my welds suck 😅
@@JPsBladeworks time to get some practice 😊👍
Good information, i have made copper Damascus a few times. Never tried brass though
Good effort, though. Definitely a good learning experience. Thanks for showing us the process.
Thanks for watching
I enjoy watching you work - interesting.
Thank you
So i have zero experience. Im not a smith. I dont have a forge. I dont have welding gear. I went down a rabbit hole to get here, and what a ride. I want to tell you this is a super cool video. Have you succeeded at this attempt? Seriously very informative. My question. Would a canister damascus be a better idea?? Yes/no/why. Thanks
I have not tried it since and its been a year. I will probably try it again here in a month or two once my schedule opens up again. I think ill get it this time. I have gain a lot of experience in the last year. I dont think a canister would work because if i over heat it the brass will pool up at the bottom instead of evenly distribute. Its all about temp control which i did a poor job of that day.
I got too confident on my copper Damascus. Tried to make a way too big of a billet and had complete failure. Lost about 60$ worth of steel and 2 days work. So I feel for you. I haven’t tried brass yet, after watching your video I might wait. Lol.
Fortunately ive only lost like $30 of material. The core steel is still good. All i have to do is forge it flat and restack and its good as new. I will try again once i have more free time. For now i have to make the best knife i can in the 3 days i have left
Denis made one like this. Maybe check with him to see what he thinks? I’d like to try one of these next. I’m currently doing my 1200 layer random pattern damascus. This will be the highest layer count I’ve attempted
1200 layers is an intense number of layers. I have only gone up to 1000. Im going to have to give it a try sometime soon.
Será que daria certo se você forjasse o latão no cobre primeiro e depois unisse essa peça com o aço?
You should hit up Baker Forge and Tool. Them guys have patterns down pat. Do you think brazing the entire side of the billet keeping oxygen away would help? I don’t actually know. It’s just something I’ve seen other makers do
Ive seen some of Baker Forge knives. They make beautiful pieces
I found that putting steel plates on all sides keeps the copper and brass inside bro
Ill try that next time. Definetly going to try a few more times until i get it right
What a frigging nightmare.... I was trying to make the dead line for the build along also. I'm probably gonna miss it. Good luck if ya make it.
Thanks. Im sure i can make it with 2 solid days of work. Thanks for watching.
What were you trying to make and why did it have to meet a deadline? Love watching your videos you show the successes as well as failures and thats how you learn and inprove.
I was doing the build along challege hosted by red beard ops and a few other youtube channels. I ended up making a raindrop damascus knife instead but i was calling it close. Finished it last night at like 2am. Today was the deadline.
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Use some flux and flat press tips. The round one will make it split.
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Try brass powder. Just a thought. Nordic gold
It crossed my mind to try with brass powder but i havent ordered any yet. hopefully soon.
Good try. You'll get it next time!
Thank you
Hello young man never work copper or brass near their melting point, they will penetrate the parent material and create problems. Try and keep your working temp below critical 950C and below, it's harder to move the steel but less problems.
Thank you for the info. Ill keep that in mind moving forward. Ive never had an issue with copper but i had every issue with brass 😅
@@JPsBladeworks The Zinc in the brass is the biggest issue try your best to keep O2 well away from it.
Good try it might be the brass is too thin its not enough to make tje steel stick together
Idk a lot of it spilled out on the first squeeze
I think the zink will make it delaminate every time. Your better off with pure copper.
Ive done copper a few times already. Experimenting with different alloys for fun.