Agree. I started racing pre plastics. When side pods came in, the amount of contact increased, the more plastics we have the worse the contact gets. I still race now, the amount of plastics I've destroyed over the years isn't good. Plastics give a false sense of security to drivers, so they push further and harder. I had my two biggest crashes ever in 2023, plastics didn't help.
Surely it's to minimize wheel spray in the rain? If wheel-to-wheel contact was the issue they are combating, they'd just use wrap-around bumpers like in arrive-and-drive racing. I have never seen any injury from a stone or other small object being flung into the air by an exposed tyre
@@TinyBearTim logical conclusion is to ban it or make it prohibitively expensive. Karts are over twice as expensive thus less people can do it. Thats why
It's like the people who complained about the halo in f1. One of the things keeping me out of karting is the danger and I can't afford to take 5 months off work with a broken wrist
I believe the problem lies firmly with the explosion of sim racing where little Tommy has no concept or understanding of his actions sitting in his bedroom at home on his console crashing out and hitting reset, its just insane how many kids lack the knowledge of open wheel racing and the dangers of it due to their console reset.
Eh, id happily have different leagues with and without them. But personally one of the things keeping me away from owner karting is the crashes. As a kid i won my local championship and then retired because i had A levels coming up and didnt want to risk accidents before them and now as an adult I cant afford 5 months off work with a broken wrist and would happily race a rotax league that has ring protectors around them like rentals tbh. A lot of people probably feel the same. As long as running without them isnt outlawed, id happily let nature take its course and see which classes thr masses prefer. When suddenly youre not having the costs of replacing parts all the time and havubg to retire from races bevause of bent axels, suddenly the covers make sense
@@AlanDoveKarting riding a motorcycle on roads with set speed limits is a lot safer than hopping into a glorified lawnmower that accelerates like a bat out of hell and flinging it around a track where you only have one goal: be the quickest. i find it quite hilarious that you have to search people's channels just to try and win arguments against them. the fact of the matter is karting should NEVER be fatal, and we should take steps to prevent serious injuries or even death at all costs. the lives of drivers are more important than the "essence" of karting that you speak so fondly about.
@@glitchingbee”at all costs”? No, that’s ridiculous. I’ve been around karting for over 30 years, it’s already very safe. I’m willing to bet it’s safer than skiing.
Concession karts with bumpers, seatbelts, and roll bars already exist. I don’t get how parents think their kid will (somehow) get to F1 without having the slightest risk of injury.
I don’t get parents blaming others for their kids getting hurt in a kart. That was their decision, only they had the power to approve that activity. They need to own it and do better if they made a choice that led to injury.
Is that after you kid is in hospital like mine was recently? Will the steward jump out onto the track just before their wheels touch and wave his naughty finger milliseconds before the contact? Do police actually prevent bad driving and accidents from occuring? If they did, we could remove seatbelts and airbags from our cars right?
@@bitsaeng8644so don’t let your kid kart? Did you not understand the risks going in? There a LOTS of safer sports. I am sorry your kid got hurt. But, did you expect there to never be an accident or an injury… competing in a go kart? A lot of those coming up in karting can’t afford to keep getting new add-ons. Should only the wealthy be permitted to kart? If so, you’d kill the likes of Lewis Hamilton, max verstappen and a bunch more currently at the peak of motorsport. You cannot eradicate risk in a high risk activity without stopping that activity. You cannot blame others for your choices.
in the states champcar oval karts already have roll cages, those karts are not much more then other oval karts. However, champcar karts are not made with magnesium, carbon fiber, chrome moly, or other high ends components that modern CIK euro style karts are made with. Safety isn't the big cost in kart, manufacturers, tires, and engine builders are the ones driving up the cost.
You are absolutly right Alan. Nowadays, you even can’t drive anymore in Holland with a 100cc pre 2000 kart. I’ve to do this in Germany, Italy or even Great Brittain… 🤷🏼♂️ It’s a shame…
He is not allowed to, maybe by exception with an enviroment silencer . Otherwise the circuit who allowes you will be fined and the permit will be retracked. They are mental here in Holland…😂 I think there is once a year a mechanics race at Strijen (old school track!)…
100% with you one this. Not only do those wheel covers look f... ugly, they are totally against the principle of what a kart is. I grew up in 100cc Formula A and my dad racing the same class 20 years prior. Modern karts are not karts, they're minature racing cars, without suspension. You have digital dash boards, AIM throttle and brake sensors, aero derived bodywork, CNC machined components, carbon components etc. Granted my 100cc wright had a carbon floor tray, but that was about it. As you touched on the costs, my first kart, in new form cost me £2700 all in with a decent, tuned, but used 100cc motor (2005). I haven't raced since 2016 and we're looking at £2700 just for an engine now, let alone the new regulation nosecones and things like that. Karting is no longer "dad and lad" racing, it's pretty much scaled down professional race car racing. As for the safety aspect... Formula Ford isn't exactly safe with full open wheels, so why do we need to wrap karters up in cotton wool, when, realistically, a roll over will just throw a racer out with a couple of bruises (I know that first hand at 60mph), that go far slower than any formula race car does. 250 Div 1 superkarts hit 150mph on full circuits.
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Rubber bumpers or etc. makes karts more dangerous I think. If hitting something or someone doesn't cost(damaged part money, dnf or little bit pain) to driver, the driver will build up more reckless driving style so more crashes. You can watch rental endurance kart races and other races so compare. For example SWS drivers can be much more agressive and dangerous. So, more protection doesnt mean more safety.
As someone who has had their fair share of accidents in karts, on paper, advances in safety are welcome in my opinion. My problem lies with the potential of other drivers abusing the advancement and doing away with the non-contact sport mindset that separates the sport from online games. Motorsport will never be 100% safe, it’s a risk each of us take to compete as is. But leeway for physical contact, if allowed to be abused, will ruin the sport. I hope they know what they’re doing…
Well said Alan and I couldn’t agree with you more. While I am an advocate for driver safety, these wheel covers are nothing more than another knee jerk over reaction in my opinion, masking the true root cause, being poor driving standards. Modern day karting consists of “bump and run” race craft that seems to be too difficult to police.
I'm still trying to work out how these flappy mud guards add any safety, they certainly don't add lightness, and the brackets holding them on look like they'll more than negate any benefit. As a side, keep all gimmic aero out, you've all got the same design anyway, and it's not like you're in a race by race development war like F1, therefore no advantage gained.
I think you have hit it spot on, it's no longer the sport I did as a kid. I think Karting needs leadership that puts karting 1st and is for adults no kids. I did karting when I was 10 - 13 and since done a little bit here and there and I have very negative views on junior karting!
Oh my, these wheel covers are atrocious! I want to ask, what they add to safety? In case of two karts locking tires, another driver will be hit by the bottom part of the tire, and you can't cover it in any way. And besides the cost, it just makes maintenance more time-consuming. And if any of "struts" that connect these covers to chassis is bent (after a minor accident, for example), it might damage the tire over duration of the session, and voila -- you need new wheel cover AND a new tire. Outstanding. And I want to add something to topic of "Mini-Cars". In our country we literally have underage kids who drive big vehicles, mostly buggies. Kids at age of 16 already drive formulas and touring cars, F4 and S1600 classes for example. Why the hell they need another category, that looks like what they already drive, but smaller? It literally doesn't make any sense. My personal opinion -- let karts be karts, these machines are their own separate entity. They don't need extensive bodywork, maybe sidepods and simple nose cones, but nothing more. They don't need rollcages, leave them to rentals, where people don't know how to drive and need extensive safety (source: I take part in AMKC, SWS and MIKS events because I can't get a new engine for my Easykart 125, driving standarts of rental champs are horrible). Whoever invented this -- thanks for making a professional karting look like a joke. It's already been a joke really, but now it also looks like one.
They let me run a really old kart in a box stock series and you definately aware of your feet ! 2014 was the end of rental karts being like club kart . Now drivers have zero respect for eachother . When chassis and rubber meet it can get ugly but hey that's racing 😂 I have flown a kart and gravity sucks for sure . Medical BS put a end to my days as a kart owner . If jumped back in and had to have all the extra crap on kart I would just stick with rental karts
Yeah, I agree. When I started out in Karting we had nothing on the kart and a weight limit of 130kgs including driver. Then it was side skirts first, ok. Then front bumpers, ok. Then noise filters, ok. Then the hedious rear bumper, well, ok. But these look like rentals. Pretty sure a roll bar is the next thing they will be adding. Mayby the Verstappen driving ethics have filtered down to the lower formulas and people started doing crazy stuff on track I dunno. Honestly I don't care ny more, motor racing is dying to progress and tech anyway, all hail simracing.
Like what’s the point it’s reasons like this that I currently race vintage and historical karts like the ones in your video and recommend people to go that route as well
Let's be honest part of the thrill of sport is DANGER if you don't have the stones don't participate. Don't forget power in nbers if this is instituted nobody show up and it will be dropped easy peazy.
At a racing aspect yeah sure it might make things safer but if anything its going to cause more wrecks because now kids can get away with sidepodding other people more often with out actually wrecking themselves too like at a indoor K1 Track. No point in these things
Why would CIK-FIA change a thing when money keeps pouring in their coffers? The most we, mere karting mortals, can do to try and hold on is buying used/broken chassis and replacing tubes, going tyre hunting in the "used" tyre container etc etc. That's how im able to run my national RMC otherwise it would be impossible cost wise
Come watch a kneel down Outboard hydroplane boat race . We wear Kevlar and helmets but a pointed SS propeller and 8” Alum turn Fin is exposed when we blow over . We have 9 year olds racing and 12 year olds doing almost 65 mph in 100 lb wood boats. Make it so safe nobody has to see the worst and you will have no sense of reason as far as risk / reward. New racers help keep these sports afloat . Some are from families that have racing pedigree and this is all they do. When the only new racers are from prior racer’s, you start to see a decline in numbers and will not have those excited to help volunteer making these events happen . Our insurance costs have gone up a lot , as with all aspects of getting set up but adding fenders that might end up causing something you might not think of . I see those fenders ( and any Carbon Fiber for that matter) as potential cigar cutters if a body part was flung at them while a tire was spinning. Open wheel racing is just that . Teach respect and driver safety .
What an overreaction. They do look odd sure, but they have absolutely no impact on driving, how it will feel the drive, or even racing. They would only make a difference when there is significant contact, they are a much smaller change than any of the other bodywork that has a material effect on racing and how much contact drivers can have.
Is the frog in the heating pot right to overreact when the temperature goes from 13 degrees to 14 degrees? There is no material change to the frog, thus thr frog should stay, no? Or maybe the frog has foresight and understands incremental changes lead to big problems.
They are going to cause more accidents in the long run due to people having a false sense of confidence. Also it will be a pain in the arse, especially for poorer karters like myself who cant afford to drop 250 dollars for a set of these and replace them each time they inevitably break. Allan is advocating for karting to go back to being separated from car racing, not a part of the ladder to f1 like it has been portrayed. And I 100 percent agree with him
agreed. stuff like this is stupid. if motorsport carried no risks it wouldnt be impressive in the slightest. i gave up on cars and karts recently and got into bikes as they can only be so regulated
Alan, some context as to where the potential mandate would be helpful. Otherwise this seems like a random line to draw in the sand about what is too far. I personally don't buy into the slippery slope arguments, but I am not even sure what the slope is here. Are the covers for safety? Are they for wet driving and spray? Are people being dropped on top of the tires now? (as they are already protected with front, and rear bumpers and sidepods?
Can someone explain me the hype around the no/minimal bodywork in karting? I mean its way before my time but Im genuinely very curious. This is ofcourse not talking about the wheel covers things, they are terrible, obviously.
@rickvdstraat makes racing better. Karts are lighter and smaller. Easier to work on amd transport. Less expense. Karts looks cool as f without bodywork. Etc....
Me watching this and labelling off everything they have in the Stoxkart I race and everything you’re complaining about. (Then again it is a stock car so contact is allowed
I’m not someone who does karting but this argument seems a bit odd to me. The first half, where do we draw the line on safety is fair and I really wish you’d explored it more in this video because it really is a great philosophic question that reasonable people can and will disagree on. But the second half of the video is just moaning about the cost of safety features like safety features are the reason modern karts cost what they do and that seems ridiculous to me. I don’t have any experience with building or racing karts but I’m very confused how rules regarding safety are the main drivers of cost increases in the sport. I’m happy to be corrected by people who know more but it seems to me that the increased pressure put on young drivers to succeed in karting has led families to try to buy ever more capable equipment that gives them a marginal performance edge over the competition. How easy to machine, produce, and install safety features like wheel covers are comparable to the cost of a precession tooled engine I don’t know and I would love for someone to do a cost breakdown. As an outsider interested in the sport (but pushed away in large part due to the cost), it sounds like the video is trying to rationalize a dislike of safety features that fundamentally isn’t rational. And that’s fine, that’s what I wish this video was but because the answer to the question, “How much risk should we allow people to take?” can’t be answered without appealing to irrational feelings. The good part of this video of this video is the beginning and end where the creator explains why they feel so passionately about the topic but it ends up making the middle part seem… hollow by comparison.
I have never had any issue with the risk level of a kart from 1960 onwards. So whatever it was in the 60s and 70s, I am largely fine with. Bodyworks adds around £400-500 to the base cost of a kart. You then have to add in the extra space and time they take up. That means something when you're trying to race with just a car. it's one of many factors that push kart costs up. Where I think karting should be in terms of income level of participants, 400-500 is a LOT of money
Safety is important but Karts have always been open wheel machines, instead of always inventing new things to make the sport "safer" that will cost people money, teach young drivers actual driving ettiquette. Because what will happen with those goofy wheelcovers? There will not be less crashes, the crashes will be different with the danger of making contact minimized people will drive in a very different fashion. Also theses fuckers in suits always talk big about inclusivity and how we need to support diverstiy and all that shit but continue to make the whole sport more and more expensive and inacsseible for more and more people. Karting is not perfect the way it is and there is no keed to make it worse.
So much of the world around us is being ruined by woke and I'm really struggling to recognise it any more. Fun is being removed and everything is becoming bland and boring. This is more of it. Already we can see that the 'kart' of the future will be a battery-powered EV with wrap-around bumpers and wheel covers and no doubt there'll be even more unpalatable stuff to come. I am so privileged to have raced 100cc karts through the 1980s and I feel so sorry for future generations that they will never get the chance to experience what I did. I really don't know why we seem hell-bent as a society on going down this rabbit hole. It's abject fanaticism,
omg yes it's stupid but how much drama did you make out of it. Even if it were mandated, which it probably won't be, the primary cost issue with karting isn't to do with the equipment. Let's say a kid today racing at national level, say £20-30k a year, excluding things like motorhomes. A hundred quid addition in bodywork will make no real difference.
@CBikeLondon I don't care a jot about national drivers. Its the everyday average joe I think about when it comes to stuff like this. The club driver. The hobbyist. 200 extra IS a big deal then
times changeing ... so get over this. karting in the 80s was different to today. Take all the performances but ignore safty is not a good advice. there are every year fatalities related to open wheel karting, higher than anything other issue currently. So it's fine to start increase safty. If this is life changing for you and your karting soul, goodbye. But for me it's racing and speed and not the trill to maybe have a shitty accident. The cost? really? First a life vs this protection. But second, spend more money on wheels than for some metal parts on a kart. So a weak argument.
Karting is so unbelievably expensive I can barely do 4 cycle man. It’s insane
Good on you Anthony, I enjoy watching your channel.
@ thank you!
Agree. I started racing pre plastics. When side pods came in, the amount of contact increased, the more plastics we have the worse the contact gets. I still race now, the amount of plastics I've destroyed over the years isn't good.
Plastics give a false sense of security to drivers, so they push further and harder.
I had my two biggest crashes ever in 2023, plastics didn't help.
I can see that. If you’re not physically exposed, you take more risk. ESPECIALLY when you’re talking about kids/teenagers.
Surely it's to minimize wheel spray in the rain? If wheel-to-wheel contact was the issue they are combating, they'd just use wrap-around bumpers like in arrive-and-drive racing. I have never seen any injury from a stone or other small object being flung into the air by an exposed tyre
What is everyone’s obsession with crying about safety in motorsport
@@TinyBearTim logical conclusion is to ban it or make it prohibitively expensive. Karts are over twice as expensive thus less people can do it. Thats why
@ that’s not at all logical.
It's like the people who complained about the halo in f1. One of the things keeping me out of karting is the danger and I can't afford to take 5 months off work with a broken wrist
@@TinyBearTim what level of fatality risk do you accept?
@dannywhite132 yet you ride a bike and do club100 where there is no reason to believe wrist injury risk is zero 🙄
I believe the problem lies firmly with the explosion of sim racing where little Tommy has no concept or understanding of his actions sitting in his bedroom at home on his console crashing out and hitting reset, its just insane how many kids lack the knowledge of open wheel racing and the dangers of it due to their console reset.
Actually experienced sim racers make for some of the best drivers in the world, more experience is never a bad thing
@-YELDAH nonsense
Eh, id happily have different leagues with and without them. But personally one of the things keeping me away from owner karting is the crashes. As a kid i won my local championship and then retired because i had A levels coming up and didnt want to risk accidents before them and now as an adult I cant afford 5 months off work with a broken wrist and would happily race a rotax league that has ring protectors around them like rentals tbh. A lot of people probably feel the same. As long as running without them isnt outlawed, id happily let nature take its course and see which classes thr masses prefer. When suddenly youre not having the costs of replacing parts all the time and havubg to retire from races bevause of bent axels, suddenly the covers make sense
@@dannywhite132 you ride a bike....on the road
@@AlanDoveKarting riding a motorcycle on roads with set speed limits is a lot safer than hopping into a glorified lawnmower that accelerates like a bat out of hell and flinging it around a track where you only have one goal: be the quickest. i find it quite hilarious that you have to search people's channels just to try and win arguments against them. the fact of the matter is karting should NEVER be fatal, and we should take steps to prevent serious injuries or even death at all costs. the lives of drivers are more important than the "essence" of karting that you speak so fondly about.
@@glitchingbee”at all costs”? No, that’s ridiculous. I’ve been around karting for over 30 years, it’s already very safe. I’m willing to bet it’s safer than skiing.
@@glitchingbee riding a bike on the road is waaay more dangerous. You are kidding yourself if you think it's not.
@@glitchingbeeyou know it takes 2 seconds to glance at someone’s page and see if they are a hypocrite, right?
Concession karts with bumpers, seatbelts, and roll bars already exist. I don’t get how parents think their kid will (somehow) get to F1 without having the slightest risk of injury.
I don’t get parents blaming others for their kids getting hurt in a kart. That was their decision, only they had the power to approve that activity. They need to own it and do better if they made a choice that led to injury.
The best part is the wheel covers are trying to solve a safety issue that isnt even the most common way to flip
those Maxxis tyres 🤢
Improved stewarding would be a better way to improve safety.
Is that after you kid is in hospital like mine was recently? Will the steward jump out onto the track just before their wheels touch and wave his naughty finger milliseconds before the contact? Do police actually prevent bad driving and accidents from occuring? If they did, we could remove seatbelts and airbags from our cars right?
@@bitsaeng8644so don’t let your kid kart? Did you not understand the risks going in?
There a LOTS of safer sports.
I am sorry your kid got hurt. But, did you expect there to never be an accident or an injury… competing in a go kart?
A lot of those coming up in karting can’t afford to keep getting new add-ons. Should only the wealthy be permitted to kart? If so, you’d kill the likes of Lewis Hamilton, max verstappen and a bunch more currently at the peak of motorsport.
You cannot eradicate risk in a high risk activity without stopping that activity.
You cannot blame others for your choices.
Adding the wheel covers will take away the last bit of respect younger drivers in senior classes have.
in the states champcar oval karts already have roll cages, those karts are not much more then other oval karts. However, champcar karts are not made with magnesium, carbon fiber, chrome moly, or other high ends components that modern CIK euro style karts are made with. Safety isn't the big cost in kart, manufacturers, tires, and engine builders are the ones driving up the cost.
You are absolutly right Alan. Nowadays, you even can’t drive anymore in Holland with a 100cc pre 2000 kart. I’ve to do this in Germany, Italy or even Great Brittain… 🤷🏼♂️
It’s a shame…
So Max couldn't even demo is mother's kart? Crazy situation
He is not allowed to, maybe by exception with an enviroment silencer . Otherwise the circuit who allowes you will be fined and the permit will be retracked. They are mental here in Holland…😂
I think there is once a year a mechanics race at Strijen (old school track!)…
100% with you one this. Not only do those wheel covers look f... ugly, they are totally against the principle of what a kart is. I grew up in 100cc Formula A and my dad racing the same class 20 years prior. Modern karts are not karts, they're minature racing cars, without suspension. You have digital dash boards, AIM throttle and brake sensors, aero derived bodywork, CNC machined components, carbon components etc. Granted my 100cc wright had a carbon floor tray, but that was about it. As you touched on the costs, my first kart, in new form cost me £2700 all in with a decent, tuned, but used 100cc motor (2005). I haven't raced since 2016 and we're looking at £2700 just for an engine now, let alone the new regulation nosecones and things like that. Karting is no longer "dad and lad" racing, it's pretty much scaled down professional race car racing. As for the safety aspect... Formula Ford isn't exactly safe with full open wheels, so why do we need to wrap karters up in cotton wool, when, realistically, a roll over will just throw a racer out with a couple of bruises (I know that first hand at 60mph), that go far slower than any formula race car does. 250 Div 1 superkarts hit 150mph on full circuits.
Rubber bumpers or etc. makes karts more dangerous I think. If hitting something or someone doesn't cost(damaged part money, dnf or little bit pain) to driver, the driver will build up more reckless driving style so more crashes. You can watch rental endurance kart races and other races so compare. For example SWS drivers can be much more agressive and dangerous.
So, more protection doesnt mean more safety.
As someone who has had their fair share of accidents in karts, on paper, advances in safety are welcome in my opinion. My problem lies with the potential of other drivers abusing the advancement and doing away with the non-contact sport mindset that separates the sport from online games. Motorsport will never be 100% safe, it’s a risk each of us take to compete as is. But leeway for physical contact, if allowed to be abused, will ruin the sport. I hope they know what they’re doing…
What he is saying is so true there are also opportunities in sim racing if you are in the right championships to gain attention
100% Agree my friend!
Well said Alan and I couldn’t agree with you more.
While I am an advocate for driver safety, these wheel covers are nothing more than another knee jerk over reaction in my opinion, masking the true root cause, being poor driving standards.
Modern day karting consists of “bump and run” race craft that seems to be too difficult to police.
I'm still trying to work out how these flappy mud guards add any safety, they certainly don't add lightness, and the brackets holding them on look like they'll more than negate any benefit. As a side, keep all gimmic aero out, you've all got the same design anyway, and it's not like you're in a race by race development war like F1, therefore no advantage gained.
I think you have hit it spot on, it's no longer the sport I did as a kid. I think Karting needs leadership that puts karting 1st and is for adults no kids. I did karting when I was 10 - 13 and since done a little bit here and there and I have very negative views on junior karting!
Oh my, these wheel covers are atrocious! I want to ask, what they add to safety? In case of two karts locking tires, another driver will be hit by the bottom part of the tire, and you can't cover it in any way. And besides the cost, it just makes maintenance more time-consuming. And if any of "struts" that connect these covers to chassis is bent (after a minor accident, for example), it might damage the tire over duration of the session, and voila -- you need new wheel cover AND a new tire. Outstanding.
And I want to add something to topic of "Mini-Cars". In our country we literally have underage kids who drive big vehicles, mostly buggies. Kids at age of 16 already drive formulas and touring cars, F4 and S1600 classes for example. Why the hell they need another category, that looks like what they already drive, but smaller? It literally doesn't make any sense. My personal opinion -- let karts be karts, these machines are their own separate entity. They don't need extensive bodywork, maybe sidepods and simple nose cones, but nothing more. They don't need rollcages, leave them to rentals, where people don't know how to drive and need extensive safety (source: I take part in AMKC, SWS and MIKS events because I can't get a new engine for my Easykart 125, driving standarts of rental champs are horrible). Whoever invented this -- thanks for making a professional karting look like a joke. It's already been a joke really, but now it also looks like one.
They let me run a really old kart in a box stock series and you definately aware of your feet ! 2014 was the end of rental karts being like club kart . Now drivers have zero respect for eachother . When chassis and rubber meet it can get ugly but hey that's racing 😂 I have flown a kart and gravity sucks for sure . Medical BS put a end to my days as a kart owner . If jumped back in and had to have all the extra crap on kart I would just stick with rental karts
Yeah, I agree.
When I started out in Karting we had nothing on the kart and a weight limit of 130kgs including driver.
Then it was side skirts first, ok.
Then front bumpers, ok.
Then noise filters, ok.
Then the hedious rear bumper, well, ok.
But these look like rentals.
Pretty sure a roll bar is the next thing they will be adding.
Mayby the Verstappen driving ethics have filtered down to the lower formulas and people started doing crazy stuff on track I dunno.
Honestly I don't care ny more, motor racing is dying to progress and tech anyway, all hail simracing.
romain grosjean: I hate halo
Glad aidka isn’t affiliated with the cik otherwise i might’ve had to stop karting.
Like what’s the point it’s reasons like this that I currently race vintage and historical karts like the ones in your video and recommend people to go that route as well
Let's be honest part of the thrill of sport is DANGER if you don't have the stones don't participate. Don't forget power in nbers if this is instituted nobody show up and it will be dropped easy peazy.
At a racing aspect yeah sure it might make things safer but if anything its going to cause more wrecks because now kids can get away with sidepodding other people more often with out actually wrecking themselves too like at a indoor K1 Track. No point in these things
cant there be unregulated karting classes? or, less regulated... I mean it shouldnt be super expensive to get on track and do laps
Why would CIK-FIA change a thing when money keeps pouring in their coffers?
The most we, mere karting mortals, can do to try and hold on is buying used/broken chassis and replacing tubes, going tyre hunting in the "used" tyre container etc etc. That's how im able to run my national RMC otherwise it would be impossible cost wise
Still planning get into karting
Goated
But wheel covers makes for better aerodynamics as it reduces dirty air /s
The wrap around April fools picture looks way better then this garbage there coming out with.
Come watch a kneel down Outboard hydroplane boat race .
We wear Kevlar and helmets but a pointed SS propeller and 8” Alum turn Fin is exposed when we blow over .
We have 9 year olds racing and 12 year olds doing almost 65 mph in 100 lb wood boats.
Make it so safe nobody has to see the worst and you will have no sense of reason as far as risk / reward.
New racers help keep these sports afloat .
Some are from families that have racing pedigree and this is all they do.
When the only new racers are from prior racer’s, you start to see a decline in numbers and will not have those excited to help volunteer making these events happen .
Our insurance costs have gone up a lot , as with all aspects of getting set up but adding fenders that might end up causing something you might not think of .
I see those fenders ( and any Carbon Fiber for that matter) as potential cigar cutters if a body part was flung at them while a tire was spinning.
Open wheel racing is just that .
Teach respect and driver safety .
Couldnt of said it any better, were all ok your side mate
What an overreaction. They do look odd sure, but they have absolutely no impact on driving, how it will feel the drive, or even racing. They would only make a difference when there is significant contact, they are a much smaller change than any of the other bodywork that has a material effect on racing and how much contact drivers can have.
Is the frog in the heating pot right to overreact when the temperature goes from 13 degrees to 14 degrees? There is no material change to the frog, thus thr frog should stay, no?
Or maybe the frog has foresight and understands incremental changes lead to big problems.
They are going to cause more accidents in the long run due to people having a false sense of confidence.
Also it will be a pain in the arse, especially for poorer karters like myself who cant afford to drop 250 dollars for a set of these and replace them each time they inevitably break.
Allan is advocating for karting to go back to being separated from car racing, not a part of the ladder to f1 like it has been portrayed. And I 100 percent agree with him
agreed. stuff like this is stupid. if motorsport carried no risks it wouldnt be impressive in the slightest. i gave up on cars and karts recently and got into bikes as they can only be so regulated
Another good example of the wrong problem being resolved 😂
Alan, some context as to where the potential mandate would be helpful.
Otherwise this seems like a random line to draw in the sand about what is too far. I personally don't buy into the slippery slope arguments, but I am not even sure what the slope is here.
Are the covers for safety? Are they for wet driving and spray?
Are people being dropped on top of the tires now? (as they are already protected with front, and rear bumpers and sidepods?
For safety. Was a collective test at Franciacorta.
@@AlanDoveKarting What is expected safety improvement? Are wheels getting hooked? This is still not clear...
Can someone explain me the hype around the no/minimal bodywork in karting? I mean its way before my time but Im genuinely very curious.
This is ofcourse not talking about the wheel covers things, they are terrible, obviously.
@rickvdstraat makes racing better. Karts are lighter and smaller. Easier to work on amd transport. Less expense. Karts looks cool as f without bodywork. Etc....
Well put
Me watching this and labelling off everything they have in the Stoxkart I race and everything you’re complaining about. (Then again it is a stock car so contact is allowed
Bro really acting like its the end of karting🙏 seriously though if they want to make it safer make neck braces mandatory
I’m not someone who does karting but this argument seems a bit odd to me. The first half, where do we draw the line on safety is fair and I really wish you’d explored it more in this video because it really is a great philosophic question that reasonable people can and will disagree on. But the second half of the video is just moaning about the cost of safety features like safety features are the reason modern karts cost what they do and that seems ridiculous to me. I don’t have any experience with building or racing karts but I’m very confused how rules regarding safety are the main drivers of cost increases in the sport. I’m happy to be corrected by people who know more but it seems to me that the increased pressure put on young drivers to succeed in karting has led families to try to buy ever more capable equipment that gives them a marginal performance edge over the competition. How easy to machine, produce, and install safety features like wheel covers are comparable to the cost of a precession tooled engine I don’t know and I would love for someone to do a cost breakdown. As an outsider interested in the sport (but pushed away in large part due to the cost), it sounds like the video is trying to rationalize a dislike of safety features that fundamentally isn’t rational. And that’s fine, that’s what I wish this video was but because the answer to the question, “How much risk should we allow people to take?” can’t be answered without appealing to irrational feelings. The good part of this video of this video is the beginning and end where the creator explains why they feel so passionately about the topic but it ends up making the middle part seem… hollow by comparison.
I have never had any issue with the risk level of a kart from 1960 onwards. So whatever it was in the 60s and 70s, I am largely fine with.
Bodyworks adds around £400-500 to the base cost of a kart. You then have to add in the extra space and time they take up. That means something when you're trying to race with just a car. it's one of many factors that push kart costs up. Where I think karting should be in terms of income level of participants, 400-500 is a LOT of money
Please please please not
Safety is important but Karts have always been open wheel machines, instead of always inventing new things to make the sport "safer" that will cost people money, teach young drivers actual driving ettiquette. Because what will happen with those goofy wheelcovers? There will not be less crashes, the crashes will be different with the danger of making contact minimized people will drive in a very different fashion. Also theses fuckers in suits always talk big about inclusivity and how we need to support diverstiy and all that shit but continue to make the whole sport more and more expensive and inacsseible for more and more people. Karting is not perfect the way it is and there is no keed to make it worse.
So much of the world around us is being ruined by woke and I'm really struggling to recognise it any more. Fun is being removed and everything is becoming bland and boring. This is more of it. Already we can see that the 'kart' of the future will be a battery-powered EV with wrap-around bumpers and wheel covers and no doubt there'll be even more unpalatable stuff to come. I am so privileged to have raced 100cc karts through the 1980s and I feel so sorry for future generations that they will never get the chance to experience what I did. I really don't know why we seem hell-bent as a society on going down this rabbit hole. It's abject fanaticism,
Where the clay clips at the ikr
@@JohanVanDenBroeke last year House of Hundred Super National. We bolted onto IKR meet.
omg yes it's stupid but how much drama did you make out of it. Even if it were mandated, which it probably won't be, the primary cost issue with karting isn't to do with the equipment. Let's say a kid today racing at national level, say £20-30k a year, excluding things like motorhomes. A hundred quid addition in bodywork will make no real difference.
@CBikeLondon I don't care a jot about national drivers. Its the everyday average joe I think about when it comes to stuff like this. The club driver. The hobbyist. 200 extra IS a big deal then
times changeing ... so get over this. karting in the 80s was different to today. Take all the performances but ignore safty is not a good advice.
there are every year fatalities related to open wheel karting, higher than anything other issue currently. So it's fine to start increase safty. If this is life changing for you and your karting soul, goodbye. But for me it's racing and speed and not the trill to maybe have a shitty accident.
The cost? really? First a life vs this protection. But second, spend more money on wheels than for some metal parts on a kart. So a weak argument.
Snowflakes generation