The new Archbishop could remove LLF and do us all a favour? And stop paying reparations and put the money into local priests. And recommend all bishops to study the Bible! Oh dear, my soap box is showing. 🙂
You show it! You won't have to explain yourself at the Judgment Seat over this nor be consigned to the Goat Line, to be thrown into the Outer Darkness, then.
And study Islam too, and actually be honest for a change. The book "Enablers of Islam: The Church" has been sent to all bishops. They need to correct their many errors urgently.
The big downfall for me was the apparent decision to make bishops CEOs instead of being Pastors to the Pastors. The result is the House of Bishop's is a cesspit. Welby was never a Pastor he was always a secular businessman.
@@logos9434 A bit difficult to be a pastor when the average diocesan bishop has 600+ priests to look after. Even where there are assistant bishops it is still a couple of hundred each. Average turnover per diocese is about £20 million, with 400 church buildings etc etc. So a huge job, even with a staff of experts to manage day by day.
Rev Dan says report says resignation scandal biggest thing since ordination of women priests and now bishops. Elect a women bishop as ABC and it will be final straw for the C o E!!!!
My husband and I have certainly felt unwelcome and even unsafe in the CofE… over our doctrinally sound POV relating to issues relating to sexuality and sexual relations. Our vicar (who has now stepped down) was quite intimidating. She would not let us talk about our traditional views… even to our deanery rep. She called us bullies and said she would be ‘keeping an eye on us’! It was mortifying. She refused to discuss our concerns… she said ‘there was no point’. She had already told us she would marry same sex couples as soon as she was allowed. We would have left but we were convinced God wanted us in the church. Once she left, we spoke with the rector who has promised to run a course relating to PLF. we are still hoping that meaningful discussions will occur at grass root level. This should have happened years ago according to the PLF process… but the SILENCE IS DEAFENING. No lead from the pulpit either! ☹️
Thank you for sharing. Hang on in there at your parish church. There are plenty of CofE clergy who would love to have supportive members like you who are clear on Biblical doctrine relating to marriage, sex and relationships.
_and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor._ I'm glad the source of your problem has stepped down from exercising an authority prohibited by the apostle and which opened her up to spiritual deception.
No, I don’t think that the position would suit me, Lambeth Palace is on the wrong side of the River and I don’t really fancy hailing a taxi late at night only to be told “sorry, Guv. - I don’t go sarf of the Rivva.” The job does come with rather a quaint old Cathedral, though.
If there is a financial crisis then one action that could be undertaken is to reduce the extraordinarily large numbers of bishops. Each one needs an office and staff and infrastructure.
I appreciate your positive disposition in all of this. Hopefully, the Smyth scandal is such a wakeup call that the next Archbishop of Canterbury chosen is orthodox (not holding my breath, though). Also hopefully, the LLF is seen as the massive issue it is and debated/discussed within cleric meetings throughout all dioceses in the CofE.
@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 I'm a Southern Baptist in the United States. Do you want to know our background and abuse history? It's awful. Preaching Christ and Him crucified does not create men like John Smyth. Satan does.
It's going to be interesting watching his New Year message this year. I don't know if he already recorded it or if he's had to make a new version. "Mea culpa" 🙄
The good news is that there are a large number of churches, including many Anglican ones, who do not pander to the LLF nonsense and try to live by Biblical truth. God will not be thwarted!
Welby kept being deliberately inaccurate about Islam. He had been told multiple times the truth but chose to ignore it. Whoever is the next Archbishop absolutely must be honest about it for a change.
I'm surprised the House of Bishops do not look at the death of Liberal churches in the UK and, the rise of the Conservative (Orthodox & Biblical) churches, whether it be in the individual parishes or denominations, and ask themselves 'what are we doing to this once great denomination?' But I guess the devil has hoodwinked them or, the power and money at the national level motivates them. I would love to hear a Liberal bishop talking honestly on this matter. Great vid as ever.
Lib bishops can't be honest. They try to skew Scripture to fit their views, and it is so convoluted. They do it from wrong premises - compassion, G-d is love, a misinterpretation of ' love your neighbour', the *fact* that G-d's love does, in fact, have limits where sin is involved - it's not just Old Testament factors here; the Law stands and is eternal as far as the unregenerate and sinful (rebellious) World is concerned. This remains the metric by which G-d the Father weighs the World. Anyone in the Church Politic who claims they are a Christian, but is lapsed or unregenerate, and will not take correction will be put into the Goat Queue *- read the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats, which is to US as much as it was to the Pharisees, NOT about the Saved and Unsaved in the first instance!* Jesus warns about this time and again and, finally to 5 of the 7 Revelation Churches, which all reflects us NOW! The Law will apply to them as well because, despite their Churchianty Christendom - liturgies, rituals, misapplication of the Word, and works - G-d the Father will know if they were *ever* true Followers of The Way *at all!* Right NOW, they have a chance to really, truly repent. Later, no chance at all - they will have made their choice already, imo. Do I sound judgmental? Old Testament fire and brimstone? All John the Baptist? Imagine (and if you know Scripture, that is not necessary) how He is going to be! And I mean Jesus - He got towering rage angry, at sin, at misuse of Scripture, at the cheating, lying, ambitious and greedy Pharisee who ought to have known better. Don't think He won't be any different if He has to be! LLF should be binned and burned. Lib bishops had better seek the Lord while He may be found, as well as their acolytes. But we should not be surprised, these are the last of the Last Days, and Jesus has told and shown us what is going to happen, with false teachers and priest *- and it is, more than ever was, even with the history of the corrupted RCC!* Sodom and Gomorrah has nothing on that! Sorry to sound this way, but enough is too much, and this from a Broken-legged lamb (read the Parable of The Lost Sheep - ancient Middle East shepherds often broke their recalitrant sheep or lamb's leg to force it to stay with him, and would nurse it back to health; it wouldn't go out of sight of the shepherd after that, of which I feel I am). I will leave things at that, wish you all a good night (23:30hrs, UK time,29/11/24) and an upcoming Peaceful and Merry Christ-Mas, despite everything!
Regards safe guarding. The English church could use the model that we have instituted in NZ. This was done under Cannon D, cannons of discipline. It arose here as a result of a government investigations into abuse in care. Too often the church has erroneously quoted scripture to protect or minimize abuse. He who is without sin cast the first stone etc are straight copouts. Don't want to upset people "it's not christian or not loving the brother or sister". So people leave because we come across as supporting sin and allowing abuse. Not a good witness.
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 As a vestry chairman in my local churchand holding a lay preachers lisense I am subject to and obliged to follow cannon law. Breaching it can cause the ibishop to revoke my .lisense.In reality this should have happened to Smyth very early on as far as I can understand, but I am only a lay person but still subject to scripture and the institutes of the church as he would be. So yes breaching cannon law is an offence in the CofE. in the court of public opinion dealing with him early would have stopped the present debarcle and no doubt some civil action would have taken place.
Hi, I'm an Anglican. I want to ask one thing. If I've taken communion from a priest I know now, never had any faith but wears his role as a veneer and likes to let's say 'hurt' people, was that communion still valid? This is a sincere question, and if anybody does not want to answer directly, can you please point me to a source that aligns with the answer you would give, as I've asked A.I. but I need some human validation on that answer.
The church has always taught that if a priest is validly ordained, HIS sacrements are valid, regardless of the state of his soul. I only take sacraments from male priests ordained by male bishops.
There was an article in the Independent dated 27 October 2014 - "Two per cent of Anglican priests don't believe in God, survey finds". Of the more than 1,500 Anglican clergy interviewed, 16 percent were agnostic and 2 percent were atheist. I wonder what the figures are today? No wonder the church is going South.
Good question i have this question also . This is the religion loved by such monarchs as Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth ii its this religion we stand by
@@stevenpolley6691Yes, that is also the teaching of the Catholic church. The sacraments a priest administrates are valid because of his office, no matter how bad his personal sinfulness.
The cofe should separate itself from the state. They can then concentrate on their followers rather than controlling areas of life that don't concern them.
I am a Roman Catholic.When a Pope dies,a Conclave of the Sacred College of Cardinals,elect a New Pope. Our Lord Jesus knows who the New Pope will be.He also knows who will be the next Archbishop of Canterbury will be.Our Lord Jesus is Almighty and Powerful.He knows Everything.
On Safeguarding, as with Health and Safety, the bishops and senior hierarchy need to be more proactive, and take direct responsibility. It's all too easy to farm it out to "experts" and forget about it. I have a background in Health and Safety and the one thing that makes a real difference is the attitude and commitment of the person at the top. If he/she is actively involved and sets a good example, you're onto a winner.
It is interesting to learn how you observe the gravity of power has gone from the local churches to the national church, the same happened 30 years ago in the Labour Party and its NEC, matters for the National Agenda used to have to come from the members, but Mr Blair, did not want to spend time/waste time discussing the proletariat's needs. So, the CofE follows many norms of the world, confused sexuality, poor investment choices, BLM. Brother continue to speak truth to justice.
Does the Archbishop of Canterbury have any power over local churches? I seem to remember him admitting during COVID that he couldn't close churches if they chose to stay open - "like herding cats" he said.
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 Good question, one would like to believe that the power lay with the congregation, but I genuinely don't know. A Powerful uprising from the grass roots led by the triune God's Spirit, is needed, just as Peter led at Pentecost, it might put the willies up the House of Bishops, just as the happened in the apostles time with religious leaders who believed themselves 'holier than thou'. Keep praying for it brethren.
@@PhilipShepherd Allegedly lay members have a say on the direction of the church via Deanery & Diocesan Synods ... however these (elected) positions are often difficult to fill 😟
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 I'd start with the Church Wardens, they have great legal power within the parish along with the person placed there ... the Vicarious one. Alternatively, why bother with elected positions? Just be a BRILLIANT Christian and help the needy, worship the Father, be Pious, Love all.
@@PhilipShepherd My wife is a churchwarden - but they don't seem to have any special powers compared to any other PCC member, other than being responsible to the bishop for church property. They are not automatically on any church governing body etc outside the parish - unless they chose to stand for Deanery - but there are only so many hours in a day!
@chrislambert-shiels5291 Well, quite a few rank and file clergy have CDM's brought against them, sometimes justly and sometimes weaponised. However tbere are very few Bishops who end up facing one or taking a hit from one. It is two tier ecclesiastical "justice".
@@johnhudghton3535 Agreed on weaponisation - I've seen that too! Also under the original system "guilty" judgements seem to have been published in full - naming the victims, or at least giving enough info to identifying them. Horrific & a deterrent to reporting.
@@johnhudghton3535 I guess someone with "standing" needs to make a formal complaint about the clergy person involved - failing to follow safeguarding procedures. This could be at any level - from parish to archbishop. I'm not sure what "standing" the complainant has to have - but there are enough ethical barristers around in the CofE to pursue that if there is a genuine case to be made. The facts around the happenings in 2013 seem a bit ambiguous - possibly it was the police who were at fault for not following up on what they were told?
A bold Donald Trump figure is needed. No, not the real Donald Trump! A real Latimer is needed to rebuild the C of E. It could just work given God’s blessing. A Moses figure!
Do Church of England people really want a central figure dictating doctrine etc? Surely it needs become more democratic & lay led & local - in line with the rest of society & the non-conformist churches. The Catholics seem to have fallen into the same safeguarding errors - despite being power being pretty centralised?
It seems to me that Justin Welby was being poorly advised throughout his time in office. He said he was prayerfully considering the rights and wrongs of the church’s teaching on sexuality which then lead him to change his thinking BUT, if the same prayers and advisors were influencing him not to engage with alleged victims of Smyrh, and not to follow up on police referrals, then surely it brings into doubt his conclusions relating to LLF. His entire leadership has been one of muddled thinking. However well- meaning he might have been, the church was poorly lead and poorly served by Welby.
I am perplexed, you read some of the Catholic opinion and launch into a fairly long adlib about how right it is, or how complex the issue is, but it leaves us, your viewers, a little lost and confused. Read the article and then comment on it, you can go back and reread the part you want to comment on. Just let us hear and see what they said before you interrupt.
Make the King an honoured member of the church, (if he wishes to be). Let God, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords be the head! Compensate the Roman Catholic Church for the murder of their members and the destruction of buildings and stealing from their savings and valuables. (maybe compensate, but not in a rush,ie year by year) Other godly denominations included in the house of lords? More ideas available on request! 🌹
But don't you need to present your candidate for "him" to be able to stand? "Mr God. Could you go to interview room 4, please?" "Mr God....MR GOD....!! "Jeeez... Yet another no-show...." "NEXT!!!" Lol.
DAN: You, of all people, should know that the 'short-cut' for the denomination called Roman Catholicism (compared with all of the other catholic denominations; Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglican, for example) is 'Roman; not 'Catholic'. Rome abrogates to itself the term 'catholic': and we need not play their game. The centre of our faith should be that young, male, fully-human, Jew, Jesus of Nazareth: not 'Mother Church'. Jesus tells us what the Creator God of Abraham, Isaac and of Jacob is truly like: not 'Mother Church'. In that sense, 'Church' is a distraction from Jesus. I notice you state that "the Archbishop of Canterbury is not more important than the training Curate": but where are the laity in your schema? Are the "professional career-clergy" more important than those in the pews or chairs? In the Pastoral Epistles, you are correct; and the threefold division of Christians was one of 'function'. However, men being men, and craving power and status, 'function' gave way to 'hierarchy' within the first three hundred years of the Church. This may have been fine, when the clergy were some of the most educated peopkle in the Church: but, today, some of the best thinkers may be in the pews: whilst the Welby 'system' prioritised 'managers' like Sarah Mullally, over theologians and sound apologists; who can explain the role of Jesus in today's world. You claim the system is not hierarchical: but you are wrong. and your omission of the laity is significant. You also return to my old bugbear; defining Christianity in terms of "belief in the bible". How does this sit with "belief in Jesus of Nazareth"; or the Creator God of Abraham"? When the archetype of Abraham set out from Ur of the Chaldees, which 'scriptures' provided his inspiration? When Paul and the Gospel authors contemplated the significance of Jesus, which 'scriptures' were they consulting? Scripture has a role to play in the thought of Christians; but it is 'historical': and God is still active and 'revealing' today: often in ways those attached to 'scripture' may not like. I am in a Civil Partnership (the only form of formalisation of the forty-one years I have shared with my partner, which I would accept): and you discuss "same-sex weddings" among clergy. Again, why are clergy so important: and my decision, unimportant? The difference is POWER. The Church has no power over me: so much for your attempt to keep 'hierarchy' out of the picture. [13:00] You swiftly gloss over, "I could be Archbishop one day" as "not happening very often". This would mean the 'career-clergy' of the C of E are a different form of species from the average person, in that they lack 'ambition'. What they do, actually, is cloak their ambition in the vocabulary of 'calling'. Back in the 1970s, I knew the Warden of St Deiniol's Library in North Wales (now called Gladstone's Library): and that he refused to accept a bishopric in Wales. This is the only time I have known someone to decline a bishopric. Other listeners may know of others. [43:00] "We need to be that moral voice within the House of Lords": here, again, Christian clerical arrogance is on display. You do not have to be Christian, to think 'ethically' and 'morally'. Furthermore, whereas the Church WAS once a civilising influence on an exceptionally cruel society, today, it is the Church which need to listen to the World it so often deprecates, in order to learn that, "the Sabbath is made for man: not man for the Sabbath!"
The book "Enablers of Islam: The Church" has been sent to all bishops. They need to correct their many errors urgently. They must stop pandering to Islam and start being honest about it instead. Stop endorsing Mohammed as a genuine prophet and clearly state he was a false prophet instead.
Because your book of half educated bronze age goat herder's scribblings of BULLSHIT says it's "naughty"!!! It actually supports them being STONED!! And not in a hippy, trippy way either. Lol. More a sort of "now you must be made dead" way!! Nice.
Hi..What are the options..multiple choice..or do we have an “outsider”..? My preference is Bishop of Newcastle..Dr. Helen Ann Hartley for new leader of the Church ..(she is against assisted dying..) question of Money..Welbys’ Lambeth Palace library..estimated cost at the time of submitting the plans 2018..has gone from 23 to 40 million..so my question ..is this money well spent?
Defunct by 2060?. Optimistic. Lol. 2030 at this rate. And I, for one, can't wait. Lol. Religion in general and Christianity in particular is demonstrably DYING and the sooner, the better for ALL humanity.
@Karltheknight Firstly, the INDEPENDENT evidence says differently, but I'd agree that some are indeed "returning to the pews", especially me, as my local church is now a lap dancing club called "Fallen Angels". Holy Rosarys. You should see what " The Not Very Virginal, Mary" gets up to on the Altar on a Sin-day night. Lol. And so, yes, I'm back in the pews every Friday for a private dance. A VERY uplifting and er...spiritual experience!! And at last, the building has an actual proper use. "Praise de Lawd" Lol.
This man is TOXIC. He denies my life as a gay Quaker. How dare he judge me ? I'm at Union with my Lord and Saviour. Only He can judge me and NOT the biggot above.
You're right, only God will judge you but it is the job of a Minister to guide you to the narrow path rather than the broad path (Matthew 7: 13-14). Our Lord also makes it clear to us in Scripture what will lead a person to the broad path. He provides us with clear examples in Matthew 15:18-20, Revelation 21:8 and 22:15. The apostle Paul gives us the rest in Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-6, Galatians 5:19-21, and I Corinthians 6:9-11. God bless.
I personally would not describe Rev Dan as a bigot or toxic at all, and such comments are hardly helpful in trying to achieve any sort of conciliation. I have found it helpful to listen to his viewpoint to help form my own. I don't agree with his position, the 'conservative viewpoint' also held by so many commenters here. I am pro LLF and same-sex marriage, and have sympathy with your position, both in sexuality and denomination, but respect his too. We all have freewill to find our own interpretations of belief, as you suggest, faith is a very personal issue. If not, why are there so many different denominations?! Sometimes, it can seem that the 'traditional' evangelical bible-based view point is that is the only correct view- I was put off by my Christian Union at school whose members seemed to suggest that I wasn't a proper Christian if I hadn't been born again and "made a personal commitment to the Lord"- I soon found other view points with which I found more comfortable. I don't know sometimes why people don't apply a similar approach in this LLF issue- find a community where you do feel comfortable and welcomed. My feelings on the traditionalists' emphasis on pointing to scriptural references anti same sex relations is that they refer to a time 2000 years ago when society was different and our understanding of the world, especially in science and medicine (including human sexuality) was far less developed. A church's doctrine of sexuality needs to my mind to reflect modern secular understandings and study of the area (which have progressed a long way in recent years), and not be solely based on 2000 year old writings which are of their time and human understanding at that time. For a 21st century Western European doctrine of marriage to be based on 1st century middle-eastern practice is very limiting in my opinion. What's more, much of the debate has been in my mind been hijacked by political factions within the church, and the wider power struggles, hardly a Christ-like way of behaving, have hijacked the issues- listening to Rev Dan talking about Evangelicals vs Liberals vs Catholics only underlines this. If the church is going to be driven by power struggles, then I have no time for it! No wonder it's such a contentious subject and trying to seek some level of unity has seemed to be important but impossible. Meanwhile the secular world will vote with its feet and the church will be seen to be irrelevant with views and doctrine based on outdated knowledge, and factions in open disagreement with each other. God help the next Archbishop- (S)he will need it!
@@aceairstream…except that people are attracted to doctrinally/Biblically sound preaching. I long to be discipled from the pulpit. I am so thankful that I have had excellent teaching in churches I have belonged to… this helps as there is little evidence of sound preaching in my current location. But God is good… always 😊
@ indeed, but of course what one person thinks of as doctrinally sound may be seen as unsound by someone else- humans tend to listen to things with which they agree, whether it be a news station of a particular political persuasion or a church with a particular interpretation of religion. At a simpler level, you might prefer a church with one style of music in worship (eg a worship band and contemporary songs) whilst I might happen to prefer a different style (eg choral music in a Cathedral), but the CofE has room for both styles to coexist across its parishes. Such is the nature of free will/democracy. That’s far better than having one particular view/doctrine imposed on everyone. Can’t we just accept, tolerate, respect and even rejoice in our differences?
The new Archbishop could remove LLF and do us all a favour? And stop paying reparations and put the money into local priests. And recommend all bishops to study the Bible! Oh dear, my soap box is showing. 🙂
The beginnings of a great manifesto! I don't hold out much hope, though 😢
YES!
You show it! You won't have to explain yourself at the Judgment Seat over this nor be consigned to the Goat Line, to be thrown into the Outer Darkness, then.
And study Islam too, and actually be honest for a change. The book "Enablers of Islam: The Church" has been sent to all bishops. They need to correct their many errors urgently.
Coffee break theology 2634 totally agree 💯 %
The big downfall for me was the apparent decision to make bishops CEOs instead of being Pastors to the Pastors. The result is the House of Bishop's is a cesspit. Welby was never a Pastor he was always a secular businessman.
@@logos9434 A bit difficult to be a pastor when the average diocesan bishop has 600+ priests to look after. Even where there are assistant bishops it is still a couple of hundred each. Average turnover per diocese is about £20 million, with 400 church buildings etc etc. So a huge job, even with a staff of experts to manage day by day.
Rev Dan says report says resignation scandal biggest thing since ordination of women priests and now bishops. Elect a women bishop as ABC and it will be final straw for the C o E!!!!
My husband and I have certainly felt unwelcome and even unsafe in the CofE… over our doctrinally sound POV relating to issues relating to sexuality and sexual relations. Our vicar (who has now stepped down) was quite intimidating. She would not let us talk about our traditional views… even to our deanery rep. She called us bullies and said she would be ‘keeping an eye on us’! It was mortifying. She refused to discuss our concerns… she said ‘there was no point’. She had already told us she would marry same sex couples as soon as she was allowed. We would have left but we were convinced God wanted us in the church. Once she left, we spoke with the rector who has promised to run a course relating to PLF. we are still hoping that meaningful discussions will occur at grass root level. This should have happened years ago according to the PLF process… but the SILENCE IS DEAFENING. No lead from the pulpit either! ☹️
Thank you for sharing. Hang on in there at your parish church. There are plenty of CofE clergy who would love to have supportive members like you who are clear on Biblical doctrine relating to marriage, sex and relationships.
Bless you, but if she is a 'she', then by definition, she wasn't and cannot be a 'vicar'.
_and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor._
I'm glad the source of your problem has stepped down from exercising an authority prohibited by the apostle and which opened her up to spiritual deception.
Rubbish. She was morally wrong in her decisions and her disrespect of her flock, not her gender. @@kenbeach5021
The problem is the pastor is a SHE.
No, I don’t think that the position would suit me, Lambeth Palace is on the wrong side of the River and I don’t really fancy hailing a taxi late at night only to be told “sorry, Guv. - I don’t go sarf of the Rivva.” The job does come with rather a quaint old Cathedral, though.
If there is a financial crisis then one action that could be undertaken is to reduce the extraordinarily large numbers of bishops. Each one needs an office and staff and infrastructure.
Privatise the church. I'm sure Mrs Thatcher and her followers would approve.
@ Indeed - presumably by privatise you mean disestablish?
@@adrianthomas1473 Disestablish and sell to the highest bidder.
Make it a private entity
2 Corinthians 3:9 “For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.”
Return to Jesus Christ, not muddled with pop culture or politics.
I appreciate your positive disposition in all of this. Hopefully, the Smyth scandal is such a wakeup call that the next Archbishop of Canterbury chosen is orthodox (not holding my breath, though). Also hopefully, the LLF is seen as the massive issue it is and debated/discussed within cleric meetings throughout all dioceses in the CofE.
But Smythe came from the most orthodox of C of E backgrounds - the evangelical one.
@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 I'm a Southern Baptist in the United States. Do you want to know our background and abuse history? It's awful. Preaching Christ and Him crucified does not create men like John Smyth. Satan does.
Are we not all members of one Body in Jesus Christ??
Yes , we are all one Lord , one
baptism , one communion..!
Dan thinks the CofE bishops can be a moral voice in the Lords - the irony! Dan says it with a straight face too!
Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. God's able to work in mysterious ways in the Church of England as well.
Not can be, but should be. And, if not, why not sack them?
It's going to be interesting watching his New Year message this year. I don't know if he already recorded it or if he's had to make a new version. "Mea culpa" 🙄
I think the programme has been dropped from the schedules.
The good news is that there are a large number of churches, including many Anglican ones, who do not pander to the LLF nonsense and try to live by Biblical truth. God will not be thwarted!
Thank you so much pastor. The big question for you: have you defined for yourself when you are done with the CoE?
1st Sunday in advent this Sunday. Salutations to you we shouldn't leave our church we will endure we will keep the law our whole lives
Welby kept being deliberately inaccurate about Islam. He had been told multiple times the truth but chose to ignore it. Whoever is the next Archbishop absolutely must be honest about it for a change.
You'll be very lucky if you don't get an Iman
I'm surprised the House of Bishops do not look at the death of Liberal churches in the UK and, the rise of the Conservative (Orthodox & Biblical) churches, whether it be in the individual parishes or denominations, and ask themselves 'what are we doing to this once great denomination?' But I guess the devil has hoodwinked them or, the power and money at the national level motivates them. I would love to hear a Liberal bishop talking honestly on this matter. Great vid as ever.
Lib bishops can't be honest. They try to skew Scripture to fit their views, and it is so convoluted. They do it from wrong premises - compassion, G-d is love, a misinterpretation of ' love your neighbour', the *fact* that G-d's love does, in fact, have limits where sin is involved - it's not just Old Testament factors here; the Law stands and is eternal as far as the unregenerate and sinful (rebellious) World is concerned. This remains the metric by which G-d the Father weighs the World.
Anyone in the Church Politic who claims they are a Christian, but is lapsed or unregenerate, and will not take correction will be put into the Goat Queue *- read the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats, which is to US as much as it was to the Pharisees, NOT about the Saved and Unsaved in the first instance!* Jesus warns about this time and again and, finally to 5 of the 7 Revelation Churches, which all reflects us NOW!
The Law will apply to them as well because, despite their Churchianty Christendom - liturgies, rituals, misapplication of the Word, and works - G-d the Father will know if they were *ever* true Followers of The Way *at all!*
Right NOW, they have a chance to really, truly repent. Later, no chance at all - they will have made their choice already, imo.
Do I sound judgmental? Old Testament fire and brimstone? All John the Baptist? Imagine (and if you know Scripture, that is not necessary) how He is going to be! And I mean Jesus - He got towering rage angry, at sin, at misuse of Scripture, at the cheating, lying, ambitious and greedy Pharisee who ought to have known better. Don't think He won't be any different if He has to be!
LLF should be binned and burned. Lib bishops had better seek the Lord while He may be found, as well as their acolytes. But we should not be surprised, these are the last of the Last Days, and Jesus has told and shown us what is going to happen, with false teachers and priest *- and it is, more than ever was, even with the history of the corrupted RCC!* Sodom and Gomorrah has nothing on that!
Sorry to sound this way, but enough is too much, and this from a Broken-legged lamb (read the Parable of The Lost Sheep - ancient Middle East shepherds often broke their recalitrant sheep or lamb's leg to force it to stay with him, and would nurse it back to health; it wouldn't go out of sight of the shepherd after that, of which I feel I am).
I will leave things at that, wish you all a good night (23:30hrs, UK time,29/11/24) and an upcoming Peaceful and Merry Christ-Mas, despite everything!
Regards safe guarding. The English church could use the model that we have instituted in NZ. This was done under Cannon D, cannons of discipline. It arose here as a result of a government investigations into abuse in care. Too often the church has erroneously quoted scripture to protect or minimize abuse. He who is without sin cast the first stone etc are straight copouts. Don't want to upset people "it's not christian or not loving the brother or sister". So people leave because we come across as supporting sin and allowing abuse. Not a good witness.
Was John Smyth, the main culprit & a lay person, subject to canon law? Is breaching canon law a criminal offence? If not how would it help?
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 As a vestry chairman in my local churchand holding a lay preachers lisense I am subject to and obliged to follow cannon law. Breaching it can cause the ibishop to revoke my .lisense.In reality this should have happened to Smyth very early on as far as I can understand, but I am only a lay person but still subject to scripture and the institutes of the church as he would be. So yes breaching cannon law is an offence in the CofE. in the court of public opinion dealing with him early would have stopped the present debarcle and no doubt some civil action would have taken place.
Surely ALL clergy should be pastorally minded! We Christians are supposed to be God’s helpers in the healing of a broken world.
Archbishop of Canterbury. !!! Why is one needed they are anachronistic in the 21 century.
Hi, I'm an Anglican. I want to ask one thing. If I've taken communion from a priest I know now, never had any faith but wears his role as a veneer and likes to let's say 'hurt' people, was that communion still valid?
This is a sincere question, and if anybody does not want to answer directly, can you please point me to a source that aligns with the answer you would give, as I've asked A.I. but I need some human validation on that answer.
The church has always taught that if a priest is validly ordained, HIS sacrements are valid, regardless of the state of his soul. I only take sacraments from male priests ordained by male bishops.
There was an article in the Independent dated 27 October 2014 - "Two per cent of Anglican priests don't believe in God, survey finds". Of the more than 1,500 Anglican clergy interviewed, 16 percent were agnostic and 2 percent were atheist. I wonder what the figures are today? No wonder the church is going South.
Good question i have this question also . This is the religion loved by such monarchs as Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth ii its this religion we stand by
@@stevenpolley6691Yes, that is also the teaching of the Catholic church. The sacraments a priest administrates are valid because of his office, no matter how bad his personal sinfulness.
And what if the male bishop has himself been ordained by a woman?
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Of course, no one has said anything about ABC’s resignation round here either!
The cofe should separate itself from the state. They can then concentrate on their followers rather than controlling areas of life that don't concern them.
I am a Roman Catholic.When a Pope dies,a Conclave of the Sacred College of Cardinals,elect a New Pope.
Our Lord Jesus knows who the New Pope will be.He also knows who will be the next Archbishop
of Canterbury will be.Our Lord Jesus is Almighty and Powerful.He knows Everything.
Dan, what do you think about 'Thirty One Eight' out of interest?
Whom do the ‘Lords Spiritual’ represent? If the bishops want to be politicians they should stand for Parliament.
@@adrianthomas1473 Members of the House of Lords are not politicians.
@@retribution999well - if it looks like a duck! They seem more concerned by promoting a political agenda than a spiritual one.
On Safeguarding, as with Health and Safety, the bishops and senior hierarchy need to be more proactive, and take direct responsibility. It's all too easy to farm it out to "experts" and forget about it. I have a background in Health and Safety and the one thing that makes a real difference is the attitude and commitment of the person at the top. If he/she is actively involved and sets a good example, you're onto a winner.
It is interesting to learn how you observe the gravity of power has gone from the local churches to the national church, the same happened 30 years ago in the Labour Party and its NEC, matters for the National Agenda used to have to come from the members, but Mr Blair, did not want to spend time/waste time discussing the proletariat's needs. So, the CofE follows many norms of the world, confused sexuality, poor investment choices, BLM. Brother continue to speak truth to justice.
Does the Archbishop of Canterbury have any power over local churches? I seem to remember him admitting during COVID that he couldn't close churches if they chose to stay open - "like herding cats" he said.
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 Good question, one would like to believe that the power lay with the congregation, but I genuinely don't know. A Powerful uprising from the grass roots led by the triune God's Spirit, is needed, just as Peter led at Pentecost, it might put the willies up the House of Bishops, just as the happened in the apostles time with religious leaders who believed themselves 'holier than thou'. Keep praying for it brethren.
@@PhilipShepherd Allegedly lay members have a say on the direction of the church via Deanery & Diocesan Synods ... however these (elected) positions are often difficult to fill 😟
@@chrislambert-shiels5291 I'd start with the Church Wardens, they have great legal power within the parish along with the person placed there ... the Vicarious one. Alternatively, why bother with elected positions? Just be a BRILLIANT Christian and help the needy, worship the Father, be Pious, Love all.
@@PhilipShepherd My wife is a churchwarden - but they don't seem to have any special powers compared to any other PCC member, other than being responsible to the bishop for church property. They are not automatically on any church governing body etc outside the parish - unless they chose to stand for Deanery - but there are only so many hours in a day!
Im amazed that people in your deanery were allowed to ask questions and openly discuss matters relating to PLF.
La croix (krwa) = the cross
You "work as equals" but some are more equal than others. How many curates live in a palace!? 😂
John Sentamu would be a fantastic new Archbishop of Canterbury
How is Welby getting away without being disciplined? Anyone else would get a CDM!
C D m .: Cadburys Dairy milk.😅
In practice clergy cover up for each other re CDMs - I say this from hard personal experience.
@chrislambert-shiels5291 Well, quite a few rank and file clergy have CDM's brought against them, sometimes justly and sometimes weaponised. However tbere are very few Bishops who end up facing one or taking a hit from one. It is two tier ecclesiastical "justice".
@@johnhudghton3535 Agreed on weaponisation - I've seen that too! Also under the original system "guilty" judgements seem to have been published in full - naming the victims, or at least giving enough info to identifying them. Horrific & a deterrent to reporting.
@@johnhudghton3535 I guess someone with "standing" needs to make a formal complaint about the clergy person involved - failing to follow safeguarding procedures. This could be at any level - from parish to archbishop. I'm not sure what "standing" the complainant has to have - but there are enough ethical barristers around in the CofE to pursue that if there is a genuine case to be made. The facts around the happenings in 2013 seem a bit ambiguous - possibly it was the police who were at fault for not following up on what they were told?
A bold Donald Trump figure is needed. No, not the real Donald Trump! A real Latimer is needed to rebuild the C of E. It could just work given God’s blessing. A Moses figure!
It's demeaning to the great prophet Moses to compare him to an ungodly man such as Donald Trump.
Do Church of England people really want a central figure dictating doctrine etc? Surely it needs become more democratic & lay led & local - in line with the rest of society & the non-conformist churches. The Catholics seem to have fallen into the same safeguarding errors - despite being power being pretty centralised?
When you speak a little bit more slowly you are more distinct and I am able to hear you better.
It seems to me that Justin Welby was being poorly advised throughout his time in office. He said he was prayerfully considering the rights and wrongs of the church’s teaching on sexuality which then lead him to change his thinking BUT, if the same prayers and advisors were influencing him not to engage with alleged victims of Smyrh, and not to follow up on police referrals, then surely it brings into doubt his conclusions relating to LLF. His entire leadership has been one of muddled thinking. However well- meaning he might have been, the church was poorly lead and poorly served by Welby.
Muddled thinking on Islam too. Who on earth were his advisers? They need to be fired from that role too.
There's this book called The Bible
I am perplexed, you read some of the Catholic opinion and launch into a fairly long adlib about how right it is, or how complex the issue is, but it leaves us, your viewers, a little lost and confused. Read the article and then comment on it, you can go back and reread the part you want to comment on. Just let us hear and see what they said before you interrupt.
Sorry… should have written ‘LLF’ not ‘PLF’
Why are you quoting from THE most liberal Catholic publication?! 🙄
Make the King an honoured member of the church, (if he wishes to be).
Let God, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords be the head!
Compensate the Roman Catholic Church for the murder of their members and the destruction of buildings and stealing from their savings and valuables. (maybe compensate, but not in a rush,ie year by year)
Other godly denominations included in the house of lords? More ideas available on request! 🌹
But don't you need to present your candidate for "him" to be able to stand?
"Mr God. Could you go to interview room 4, please?"
"Mr God....MR GOD....!!
"Jeeez... Yet another no-show...."
"NEXT!!!"
Lol.
The Alliance’s plans won’t help us!
DAN: You, of all people, should know that the 'short-cut' for the denomination called Roman Catholicism (compared with all of the other catholic denominations; Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglican, for example) is 'Roman; not 'Catholic'. Rome abrogates to itself the term 'catholic': and we need not play their game. The centre of our faith should be that young, male, fully-human, Jew, Jesus of Nazareth: not 'Mother Church'. Jesus tells us what the Creator God of Abraham, Isaac and of Jacob is truly like: not 'Mother Church'. In that sense, 'Church' is a distraction from Jesus. I notice you state that "the Archbishop of Canterbury is not more important than the training Curate": but where are the laity in your schema? Are the "professional career-clergy" more important than those in the pews or chairs? In the Pastoral Epistles, you are correct; and the threefold division of Christians was one of 'function'. However, men being men, and craving power and status, 'function' gave way to 'hierarchy' within the first three hundred years of the Church. This may have been fine, when the clergy were some of the most educated peopkle in the Church: but, today, some of the best thinkers may be in the pews: whilst the Welby 'system' prioritised 'managers' like Sarah Mullally, over theologians and sound apologists; who can explain the role of Jesus in today's world. You claim the system is not hierarchical: but you are wrong. and your omission of the laity is significant. You also return to my old bugbear; defining Christianity in terms of "belief in the bible". How does this sit with "belief in Jesus of Nazareth"; or the Creator God of Abraham"? When the archetype of Abraham set out from Ur of the Chaldees, which 'scriptures' provided his inspiration? When Paul and the Gospel authors contemplated the significance of Jesus, which 'scriptures' were they consulting? Scripture has a role to play in the thought of Christians; but it is 'historical': and God is still active and 'revealing' today: often in ways those attached to 'scripture' may not like. I am in a Civil Partnership (the only form of formalisation of the forty-one years I have shared with my partner, which I would accept): and you discuss "same-sex weddings" among clergy. Again, why are clergy so important: and my decision, unimportant? The difference is POWER. The Church has no power over me: so much for your attempt to keep 'hierarchy' out of the picture. [13:00] You swiftly gloss over, "I could be Archbishop one day" as "not happening very often". This would mean the 'career-clergy' of the C of E are a different form of species from the average person, in that they lack 'ambition'. What they do, actually, is cloak their ambition in the vocabulary of 'calling'. Back in the 1970s, I knew the Warden of St Deiniol's Library in North Wales (now called Gladstone's Library): and that he refused to accept a bishopric in Wales. This is the only time I have known someone to decline a bishopric. Other listeners may know of others. [43:00] "We need to be that moral voice within the House of Lords": here, again, Christian clerical arrogance is on display. You do not have to be Christian, to think 'ethically' and 'morally'. Furthermore, whereas the Church WAS once a civilising influence on an exceptionally cruel society, today, it is the Church which need to listen to the World it so often deprecates, in order to learn that, "the Sabbath is made for man: not man for the Sabbath!"
Yawn
La croix is pronounced "La kwa" 😅
The book "Enablers of Islam: The Church" has been sent to all bishops. They need to correct their many errors urgently. They must stop pandering to Islam and start being honest about it instead. Stop endorsing Mohammed as a genuine prophet and clearly state he was a false prophet instead.
Same sex relationships are still a tiny minority of couples. Why is this causing so many ripples in such a large organisation?
IMO, the C of E, being a state religion, is being coerced into aligning itself with the "rainbow laws" which govern secular society.
Pressure from the government to find a way or have it imposed
@Choosyview, *exactly!!*
Perhaps because those who are the most hurt make the most noise?
Because your book of half educated bronze age goat herder's scribblings of BULLSHIT says it's "naughty"!!!
It actually supports them being STONED!!
And not in a hippy, trippy way either. Lol.
More a sort of "now you must be made dead" way!!
Nice.
Hi..What are the options..multiple choice..or do we have an “outsider”..? My preference is Bishop of Newcastle..Dr. Helen Ann Hartley for new leader of the Church ..(she is against assisted dying..) question of Money..Welbys’ Lambeth Palace library..estimated cost at the time of submitting the plans 2018..has gone from 23 to 40 million..so my question ..is this money well spent?
Defunct by 2060?.
Optimistic. Lol.
2030 at this rate.
And I, for one, can't wait. Lol.
Religion in general and Christianity in particular is demonstrably DYING and the sooner, the better for ALL humanity.
Not dying, things will turn around
@Karltheknight DEMONSTRABLY dying. Sorry. It just is.
@dancedecker not really, a lot of Zoomers, particularly male Zoomers are returning to the pews
@Karltheknight Firstly, the INDEPENDENT evidence says differently, but I'd agree that some are indeed "returning to the pews", especially me, as my local church is now a lap dancing club called "Fallen Angels".
Holy Rosarys. You should see what
" The Not Very Virginal, Mary" gets up to on the Altar on a Sin-day night.
Lol.
And so, yes, I'm back in the pews every Friday for a private dance.
A VERY uplifting and er...spiritual experience!!
And at last, the building has an actual proper use.
"Praise de Lawd"
Lol.
@dancedecker nice anecdote, but it doesn't reflect reality. Research shows that Christianity is alive and well.
This man is TOXIC.
He denies my life as a gay Quaker. How dare he judge me ?
I'm at Union with my Lord and Saviour. Only He can judge me and NOT the biggot above.
You're right, only God will judge you but it is the job of a Minister to guide you to the narrow path rather than the broad path (Matthew 7: 13-14). Our Lord also makes it clear to us in Scripture what will lead a person to the broad path. He provides us with clear examples in Matthew 15:18-20, Revelation 21:8 and 22:15. The apostle Paul gives us the rest in Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-6, Galatians 5:19-21, and I Corinthians 6:9-11. God bless.
I dont find rev Dan toxic at all . Hes only preaching on a sound gospel mate . God bless you 🙏
I personally would not describe Rev Dan as a bigot or toxic at all, and such comments are hardly helpful in trying to achieve any sort of conciliation. I have found it helpful to listen to his viewpoint to help form my own. I don't agree with his position, the 'conservative viewpoint' also held by so many commenters here. I am pro LLF and same-sex marriage, and have sympathy with your position, both in sexuality and denomination, but respect his too. We all have freewill to find our own interpretations of belief, as you suggest, faith is a very personal issue. If not, why are there so many different denominations?! Sometimes, it can seem that the 'traditional' evangelical bible-based view point is that is the only correct view- I was put off by my Christian Union at school whose members seemed to suggest that I wasn't a proper Christian if I hadn't been born again and "made a personal commitment to the Lord"- I soon found other view points with which I found more comfortable. I don't know sometimes why people don't apply a similar approach in this LLF issue- find a community where you do feel comfortable and welcomed.
My feelings on the traditionalists' emphasis on pointing to scriptural references anti same sex relations is that they refer to a time 2000 years ago when society was different and our understanding of the world, especially in science and medicine (including human sexuality) was far less developed. A church's doctrine of sexuality needs to my mind to reflect modern secular understandings and study of the area (which have progressed a long way in recent years), and not be solely based on 2000 year old writings which are of their time and human understanding at that time. For a 21st century Western European doctrine of marriage to be based on 1st century middle-eastern practice is very limiting in my opinion.
What's more, much of the debate has been in my mind been hijacked by political factions within the church, and the wider power struggles, hardly a Christ-like way of behaving, have hijacked the issues- listening to Rev Dan talking about Evangelicals vs Liberals vs Catholics only underlines this. If the church is going to be driven by power struggles, then I have no time for it!
No wonder it's such a contentious subject and trying to seek some level of unity has seemed to be important but impossible. Meanwhile the secular world will vote with its feet and the church will be seen to be irrelevant with views and doctrine based on outdated knowledge, and factions in open disagreement with each other.
God help the next Archbishop- (S)he will need it!
@@aceairstream…except that people
are attracted to doctrinally/Biblically sound preaching. I long to be discipled from the pulpit. I am so thankful that I have had excellent teaching in churches I have belonged to… this helps as there is little evidence of sound preaching in my current location. But God is good… always 😊
@ indeed, but of course what one person thinks of as doctrinally sound may be seen as unsound by someone else- humans tend to listen to things with which they agree, whether it be a news station of a particular political persuasion or a church with a particular interpretation of religion. At a simpler level, you might prefer a church with one style of music in worship (eg a worship band and contemporary songs) whilst I might happen to prefer a different style (eg choral music in a Cathedral), but the CofE has room for both styles to coexist across its parishes. Such is the nature of free will/democracy. That’s far better than having one particular view/doctrine imposed on everyone. Can’t we just accept, tolerate, respect and even rejoice in our differences?
Sorry, I seem to have rather a lot to say tonight 🫤