How to start Bartitsu - la canne Vigny
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- If you want to learn Bartitsu - This is the right video to start.
I you want to defend yourself you need proper strikes with your cane. This video is all about striking fundamentals for Pierre Vignys "la canne" system.
The basic strikes were taught in an exercise called moulinet.
He created it differently to other French stick fighting systems of that time. Later he became head instructor of the Bartitsu academy of martial arts and physical culture in London.
Bartitsu was a martial art designed for self-defence by Edward Barton Wright in Victorian London.His school taught different martial arts as pugilism or bare knuckle boxing, French boxing known as Savate, Jiu-Jitsu and fighting with the walking cane for Gentlemen.
I use an old slim stick imho one of the best modern sticks you can get for Bartitsu these days.
Made by @csknives www.coldsteel.com/
We will have a look at that topic from a HEMA point of view. Our historical fencing background gives us insides others may not have.
Using the cane or umbrella to protect us in self defense is still a topic today. But this will be just the view cane masters of the past have on that topic.
Bartitsu got also popular as Arthur Conan Doyle let his figure Sherlock Holmes use Baritsu at the Reichenbach falls against his opponent Professor Moriarty. This makes Bartitsu so famous under Victorian or Edwardian era larper and in the Steampunkt community.
Bartitsu was not the only martial art uses the cane as a weapon, check out our other videos on that topic for example the method of Col. Monstery taught in New York city, be a cane master and join us!
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En garde! I like this stick fighting. Never heard of Bartitsu before. Thank you Monsieur.
Greetings from Manchester 🇬🇧
Greetings back to the Homeland of Bartitsu 🙂
Thank you for a very informative how to, I’m 63 years old still fit and very active but my days of a full round house are coming to a end and now starting to learn this gentleman’s skill, for my own personal close order protection
@@Time-travel-1880 you're welcome 🙏
My goal is to spread the art and I am very happy this video reiches so much interested people 😃
I cant wait to go on 😎
Btw. I hope you're my future, just doing beloved martial art all my live to stay fit and healthy ❤️🔥
Fitness and health is a mind set Oliver, never give up, sleep rest well, eat good food and drink lots of good water, enjoy life and keep laughing at yourself, stress is the biggest killer on this planet. I run 20k’s and 5k park runs just for fun and the odd half marathon. I’m ex military and very happy to be alive. Most of all friendship and brotherhood
@@Time-travel-1880 that is exactly what I mean ❤️🔥
Ecept I didn't like running 😅
Agreed. Have you tried Tai Chi Chuan? Good luck.
The movement comes very natural for me since I used to train with nunchucks in my younger days. The cane will come in handy when I get to the age where I can carry a walking stick with me inconspicuously. Merci pour la demonstration!
😬 a nunchuck kmows no mercy if the movement is wrong 😂
Btw. I bought a blackthorn cane on a flea market in NY and had to carry it the whole day. I think noone cared about it. Crazy City 😄
You know, there were like a boat-load of gangs at my school. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
As I first read 'school' I taught about a big martial arts school 😅
But high school could be even harder 🙃
@@OliverJanseps
😎👍
Yes the blackthorn sheleighly would be my pick as well.
Great history behind it.😎👍👍
@@richardlynch5632 yes, very iconic ❤️🔥
This was amazing and has style. Greetings from Germany.
@@chriskrass2778 thank's 🙏😎
And greetings back from Aachen!
Excellent explanation and demonstration - very clear. Clearest I've ever seen!
Thank you very much 😃 🙏
Fascinating. I was never aware of such a style. Elegant, conservative, fashionable. A gentleman's martial arts. Brilliant.
It's indeed very special.
And looks quite elegant for It's powerfull strikes ... but you haven't seen the really elegant movements yet 😉
@@OliverJanseps I look forward to exploring this skill. It is quite intriguing.
It's my pleasure to demonstrade it 😊
Its not a legit style.
@@bongdonky2568 I understand more of the history now and realize it is not technically a style but a combination of styles. I studied some Jujutsu philosophy and was pleased to learn that it is one of the arts borrowed from.
That said I would argue that bartitsu is all about style.
This is fantastic!
I hope you continue the topic of the Vigny Cane.
Glad you like it. First time I saw this, I liked it, but I did not see why other were totally flashed by it.
I admit, it changed 😅 and we will definetely do more of it 😃
Excellent have never seen this type of fighting style before
@@putty1961 stay on, we are just starded 😎😉
Nice work, mate! Cheers from the US!
@@hoa8954 thank's my friend overseas!
I've always wondered what I'd do if attacked by a barbershop quartet. Now I know.
Sorry that I have to tell you if you get attacked by four singers with canes, it probably end up like in clockwork Orange for you 🙃😉
Thanks for this lovely vid.
@@bertokleine280 you're very welcome 😊
Glad you like it, stay here for more 😉
Excellent pointers as always kind sir🎉
@@freakdye Hi,
Nice to reach out Sir!
I see on your channel you did some old school physical culture exercises too. I will have a look at this later 😃
One thing i like about your videos is something it lacks from other channels videos regarding using a stick.
Ie, the lack of glorification and being as brutal as possible. Seeing a trainer in other videos getting excited about ripping someone's face off is so distasteful. They have crossed over from self-defence or just martial arts training into what I interpret as "I hope I get to hurt someone with my cane".
Yours is to me so much better, serious, and trustworthy.
I practice mostly taijiquan. Recently I painted a practice sword white to remove the idea of battle or shining steel and blood. Its simply not helpful or necessary to focus on inflicting harm. I also decided to paint my sword so as not to scare children, dogs or tourists on the beach as i practice. I was pleasantly surprised when one gentleman shook my hand saying "I can see your swordsman technique " and he was impressed that i was able to make people relaxed and smile as I played so lightly with my (assumed) plastic swords.
I very much enjoy being seen as non threatening even with swords or spears, etc. I am "el maestro de blanko " ,Guru or Senpai .
A gentleman to all !
I often have to interrupt my training as holiday makers ask to join or to make friends with the many little doggies 🐕 that are only friendly to myself. Perception can be very placid and a useful defence. Enjoy your day ☯️ 🙏
@@TobiasHarms thank you very much for this.
I wasn't aware of the cane being part so many self defence movements. It was interesting to discover them and I was suprised by some hard stuff as well.
It might be my background in iwama aikido, or thanks to my teachers, but while I think that weapon practice or martial art practice in general should be fun and with a light heart, i also believe that it should be done with respect for the weapon, the partner and a possible real opponent.
@@TobiasHarms of course there is a time and a place for violence. But I am lucky to life in a place of the world, I dont need it.
Doing martial arts is mostly about health for me and I hope I will never find out if it will work in a situation to safe my life.
Now I know how this martial art might have looked.
Two of the most famous Edwardian lepidopterists - A.B. Farn and F.W. Frohawk - seem to have discussed Bartitsu. Frohawk regularly walked great distances through the night and frequented a gym. Farn - who was very fit but had a badly set leg from getting run over and so was an obvious target for robbers - told Frohawk how he'd had to use an umbrella to defend himself after out-running two assailants but being run down by a third. Farn would have been in his late sixties at the time.
The Luton boater, bowler, or Homburg all give significant protection to the head.
@@lindsayheyes925 nice story!
Edwardian lepidopterists are may even more unknows to the people 😅
Thank you!
In case of the hats, you are equal with some masters who told us not to hit the hat directly because it will just harm the hat. Instead attack the face or in case of a tophat strike ut to the ground first 🙃
Your presentation is very interesting and entertaining. It was good form to keep your other arm pinned to your back or front to make sure that you don't hit yourself with the cane. That is especially important when you're using a sword.
@@cz6774 that's still a fencing habbit of mine 🙂
At last Lang 👍 love ❤ your take on it 👍. I'm waiting to see how you do the "flip" & the "flick" your have the best videos on internet. Thank you! Cheers
You said it my friend:
to learn canne Vigny there is no way around Lang. He has the propper didactics beside the fancy demonstrations in The Persons article 👍
Thank you so much 🙏
Watching this brings back fond memories of my childhood and times spent fencing with my younger brother in the garden, he with a large garden cane and myself with the cane that my grandfather owned Unbeknownst to me was that hidden within the rather unassuming walking stick was a long slender blade. From a time in England when such an item was popular with gentlemen from a generations ago. Not so today though..
Thanks for sharing. 👏👏🍺
That is one of those stories 🥰
Thank you 👍👍
@@OliverJanseps ..My pleasure and thank you Sir…
The cane was sold some time ago to a collector, which is rather unfortunate. However I do still have his old fencing foil, used for practice. Quite battered and dented which adds to its charm and character. On the hand guard, if that’s the correct terminology, is stamped the maker; Wilkinsons Sword. A British company founded by Henry Nock, in London 1772.
@@fellrunner1964 sounds like a nice piece of history too 😃
Thank you! A very good introduction
@@holdmybeerandwatchthis4053
Thank you 🙏
Very similar, if not the same as what i've been taught in sidesword.
@@raptormancro I guess it depends a little bit to the old sidesword master. but since this is just drilling I could imagine.
I was never deep into sidesword, what is a pitty because I like it very much (but time you know). We did more cutty rapier instead. It fits the didactics of more modern styles better. So the students could follow the training more easily 🙂
Interesting. First time in my life I see such a martial art.
Till one point in my life I had like most of us more knowledge about Asian martial arts then (our) European traditions.
But there are still enough traditions in the World to discover ❤️🔥
Super!👍
@@alexderkombinator3385 glad you like it 😃👌I hope you find some more videos you like at this channel 😎
Fascinating subject I’ve always made my own sticks
@@MichaelBall-uu5lg I will give that back I always wanted to make proper sticks and staffs, but it would be to complex in my Region because of the right wood 😔
So I leave that to the handy ones 😊
@@OliverJanseps blackthorn ash yew always gather in winter these days are top woods on the janka scale
@@MichaelBall-uu5lg you see, I had to Google the janka scale 😅
But I know the wood you mentioned 😉
Any access to Cornelian Cherry@@OliverJanseps
Oliver my friend, that's the beauty of it, I use a string which with my arm fully extended won't hit my face, and I can use it at maximum length were there is room, and at a reduced length indoors . With fingers and a bit of wrist (like you are supposed to use a foil) with more wrist and elbow, with shoulders or any combination 👍😀 also at each end I have a different weight, so the movement varies. With the heavier one is a bit more challenging (and dangerous), with the lighter is easier and safe. I use it for other things too! ❤ like wand exercises, and counting, very useful ☀😇 Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 ah, I see 😊
I didn't read about your tool the first time 😉👏
Thanks for the video.
@@VTPSTTU you're welcome, I hope you will find some more interesting videos on the channel 🙂
You Sir have impressed me with you technical expertise on the subject. While cain fighting may have some overlapping techniques from saber etc.. It should be; however ,delivered like a light mace. And Sir bye your extension of elbow and wrist twirl, you demonstrated proper execution. I enjoyed your video demonstration and lecture immensely. I , as usual, eagerly await you next video lecture.
I am glad you liked it.
The canne Vigny is indeed somewhat different or special from other cane (and sabre) methods.
Thank you Sir, it's always nice to read your comments 🙏
Thank you very much sir.
You're welcome, glad it find some people who like it 🙏
Based on the number of views, this is a very popular video! I hope you will do more like it. It is very well done and inspires me to get out there and start to train. Thank you!
Yes, the algorythem seems to like it 😅
I will definetely do some follow ups for you and all the others liked this video when am back from vacation 🙂
But I really happy about the fact you gave it a try 😃❤️🔥
Very informative, thanks for posting 👍
You're welcome 🙂
Spread the art ❤️🔥
For once YT has suggested something I might be interested in -,thanks for the upload & subbed
@@ChorltonBrook thank you 🙏
I am also very happy YT seems to find people which like the topic 😃
remembered the 1 stick from tv series elementary. good to see a youtube channel showing the system 👍
@@patslee1394 never watched the series, but I remember a scene my girlfriend at that time showed me with singlesticks and eggs involved 😁
All of the movements appear to my eye to be essentially throwing the outer end of the stick without letting go of the stick.
@@kevincurtis7917 yes, at it's base it's a simple throwing pattern 👌
Neat video. I have never looked much into cane fighting but I like single stick, sabre, and staff so it looks very similar with a slightly different context.
Yes, it's definetely a small step over from your background ... and as in sabre there are also various methods.
So one will find some fitting for his sabre style ... or dive into the next ranbit hole 😆
Monstery's book is on my next to buy list, its too bad he didn't write any books on foil or sabre though.
The book by Ben Miller is really good and very entertaining. Monstery were a very interesting personality. I could easily think of an movie about his life 😅
Excellent video! I will include this as a warm up for singlestick
Some moulinettes will suit the Single stick well.
If you like doing Single stick from hanging guard even better 🙂👌
@OliverJanseps I've been told it's better to fight from inside or outside guard, but it seems better to fight from hanging as I'm not a tall man so it helps against those with reach.
@@kieranlock3070 from a Christmann point of view I could not more agree 😉
@@OliverJanseps I will keep that in mind 😆
Liked the video, subscribed.
Thanks from Chicago
@@JohnSmith-il4wi thank you for your support, I hope you will find more interesting Videos here 🙂
Excellent presentation, thank you. Got me interested in getting a stick!
@@TenaciousDanzig take one, it must be fun, children do it 😉
@@OliverJanseps Do you know or recommend somewhere I could get one like yours in the UK? I was actually looking at getting a staff initially from a standard martial arts retailer, but I quite like the idea of getting something bespoke too
@@TenaciousDanzig as I said the slim stick is unfortunately not in production anymore, but as far as I know the 'Nephilim canes' are quite nice and they are indeed eye candy.
They are based in UK just google it, but I know just about a Facebook page.
@@OliverJanseps Many thanks, I'll check it out. I look forward to seeing more of your content!
@@TenaciousDanzig you're welcome 🙂 and thank you 🙏😊
Thank you 🙏 I think now i understand. I believe that it could limber the legs and give equilibrium 😀 I forget that those exercises were for children (very flexible people) a video eventually would be a nice addition 🤔 I'm glad you know about Fairbairn, very concise, but interesting material, cane, knife, naked hands etc. Cheers
If I find someone who could do this well, I will do a video for you -like I did with the squats 😅 - because since you should do not bend your upper body that much, I am out on this one, 😄
Fairbairn is truely an very interesting personality. And we will come back to his sequence at time, I promiss 😁
Интересный стиль, для настоящих джентльменов😊
The true Gentlemen carries a small mace 😎 😉
Что это с русскими и их одержимостью аристократией? Настоящий джентльмен! Я думал, вы, ребята, убили своего царя и приняли пролетариат. О, подождите, вы прошли путь от царя Николая до царя Сталина и до царя Путина.
Never heard of this before. I did see something on other types of stick fighting as well as shileighly defefense and jogo de pau(portuguese stick fighting)which might be similar. Nice video. Thank you 😊👍
You're welcome 🙏
The two styles you mentioned are also some most poeple will definetely don't know 😉
If you stay a bit on this channel, we will discover some more stick fighting arts 🙂
Very glad to have found this, your channel.
Am proficient with nunchucks.
So...taking the broken cane and making it whole again makes sense.😉👍👍
@@richardlynch5632 😆because I read your other comment before I instantly had an image of an shillelagh-nunchuck in mind.
That would be a clash of cultures indeed 😁
@@OliverJanseps
We could make a FORTUNE...!!!😂👍
@@richardlynch5632 😂😂😂
Miyamoto Musashi says very similar things about handling a sword. A light grip, do not strangle your hilt.
Very interesting. I've heard basics about Bartitsu, but this is more in depth.
Super! Such an informative and interesting tutorials! 🤺
🙏 it was longer then expected, I am curious how long the video will be watched by the viewers "without hitting people" 😅
@@OliverJanseps lol. “panem et circenses” (c) Juvenal. In my opinion it’s right enough. Not too long, not too short. Very informative and nicely structured! Hope to see part 2, 3 and so on.
For sure, but the next video will be about an very "unexpected" weapon in HEMA 😉🤫
@@OliverJanseps Can’t wait 😆
@@Timeblade_Guildsorry I didn't get the edeting in time.
You have to wait till next monday, but thos time it's set 🙂
i like it. thanks
Thank you 🙏
Just working on the second video to fulfill what I promissed 🙃
Some further study in a similar vein to this is the Jō, a short staff style from japan. The only duel that Musashi was in that wasnt a decisive victory for him. It amounted to a draw.
I subscribed. Ill have a look at your catalogue
excellent video ! may i add that all the techniques showed apply perfectly to a collapsible/telescopic baton 😃
@@shosholozabalafon2436 thank you 🙏
And yes, absolutely!
The cane fightung is Stick fighting.
The longer - the better 😉
Exceptionally good... ;)
@@numismatric thank you very much 🙂🙏
I didn’t know it was permissible for a gentleman to practice Bartitsu without having a moustache.
@@robinharwood5044 I am one of these young rebels 😎
😂
It's permissible if you have compensatory sideburns.
Puh... lucky for me 😅
It's allowed if you have Victorian era suspenders
Interesting this is the first time I've seen bartitsu. I've done a little Arnis. The cane movements are very different then Escrima sticks. I will look forward to seeing more of your art.
@@lenwenzel7440 I have done Eskrima for some years and you are right, the dynamics are different, but it has also some things in common.
Good news, you must not wait long.
Next video should be up on Monday 🙂
@@OliverJanseps I like how elegant the walking stick looks like; I can see myself out for a stroll in the evening. Probably without the skimmer though, even though its very classy, it's just not my style. ;)
@@lenwenzel7440 then maybe with a Panama hat near the beach 🤗
It’s All in the Hat 🎩!
@@catyear75 😂 thank you!
Made my day 😃
La defensa de nuestros abuelos, buena es para los malos tiempos que corren,
Gracias
@@mindevil6223 this is really nice written ❤️🔥
👍 You might be interested that it is possible to do the exercises with a simple piece of string, with a small weight attached, using mostly the fingers, and a bit of the wrist, very good to strengthen them, coordination and fun. Also you can do it anywhere 🤗 .Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 yeah that would solve the problem with Langs advise 👌
But it is necessary to use the fingers instaed of the wrist only?
It’s interesting how the moulinet (sp?) fors the basis of training for walking stick, saber, and even some Bowie knife systems.
Yes, it was spead all over European fencing. Everything that cuts - moulinettes 😄
Moulinettes is French (like the famous moulin rouge). The Italians call it mulinello the the British and German (also they have 'Schwingungen') used the French word, as well as I saw never a Spanish word for it. The few Spanish I know used the moulinet as they adopted the sabre from France as it were en vouge at that time.
Also like the hat & stick, Cold Steel? And love ❤ the trick, with the tape. Cheers
@@peterjaimez1619 in the mean time I got comfortable with the hat, I actually liked it, as summer started here 😄
It's a slim stick, unfortunately Cold Steel took them out of production years ago.
Thank you, from France 😁💖
You're welcome!
All the best to France, Homeland of la canne and savate ❤️🔥
@@OliverJanseps that a pleasure and really to learn french typical stuff from a foreigner. Thank you for making our culture alive 💖
😃❤️🔥 this was really nice to read!
It's always the exotic. That's way Asian martial arts went big here.
And guess how many historical fencing clubs do German sabre and how many British military sabre and beoadsword 🙃
I dont know, but I know which is the majority 😁
It makes me think of Fan Techniques in Kung Fu using every day items for selfdefense.
If I think about every day items in Kung Fu I always think first of the bench 😅
But I like the fan as an elegant short stick very much 🙂
@@OliverJanseps When folded up its great for trapping wrists and some are made of metal.
@426mak it's not hard to imagine 😃
Definetely more then a improved weapon for places whete knifes and daggers were forbidden 👍👍
Thank you for the video. It is necessary to indicate how to select a cane for your anthropometric characteristics.
@@Yevhen_Bilchuk that depends if you use a cane for a walk (than it could be somewhat longer) or you need it as walking aid.
For this style of fighting I would choose a ligther cane (at least in the beginning). Its not bad to handle a rattan stick and use a thick rubber ferule at the end. The Man who created this system is famous for his rattan cane with silver ball at the end. If one has to choose, it would be speed over weight.
I hope that answered your question right 🙂
@@OliverJanseps Thank you, Oliver
@@Yevhen_Bilchuk you're welcome 🙂
I suscribe 😊🇲🇽
@@cesarcastaneda62 thank you very much 🙂🙏
In your back garden, fine.
If you went around town dressed like that, with your stick, you'd soon find yourself either arrested or dead.
Its possible to change direction very quickly by directing the cane into the arm pit then simply reverse.
This reversal of direction can be very fast. Example-kick the bottom of the cane up towards the groin, when blocked or contact is made simply swap direction of the swing to a overhead strike. I use a curved handle cane mostly so i can rapidly spin the cane like a helicopter blade swapping from one side to the other. Its very intimidating 🤔
This quick direction changes after a parry is infact also done in the system 👌
But I have a question about the helicopter because it is something I am thinking about right now.
Is this something originated in Eastern martial arts, kung fu or something similar?
I like it 👍 Where is the balance point of the proper cane?
Good question. I actually never tought about it.
But I guess it's also more on the overall weight. Every cane I had in hand would has been okay.
But I can measure some of mine if you want me to 😉
This is very useful. I appreciate your sharing with us. Thank you!
Train for life. Keep practice.
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Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
@@stefanschleps8758
Thank you 🙏
Sharing is caring 😉
Keep spreading your art ❤️🔥👍
You probably know James I. Pearson, who had a small article on cane called "Manner of carrying cane is acquired by practise in ancient asset of defense" with a short form (kata) if so do you know more about him? Cheers
I read the article on HEMAmisfits once, that's all I know 🙃
And I do not gave it a practical try till now but it's on my list for a little fun in between 😉
You from London ?? Your English very good !! Sorry of my Crazy English , sir !!
@@Askalona-qm9uz 😅 I am from Germany and most of the time I got to hear I would have an awful accent 🙃
But thank you 🙏
Interresting.
I have done fencing with rapier and florette in my youth.
Perhaps that experience wuold help also with a cane?
@@andersholmstrom3571 definetely!
European cane methods were based on the experience the fencingmasters had on the sabre as a striking art. Fencing as 'the' European martial art delivers the whole idea of fighting in our culture especially with weapons but also boxing for example.
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@@caiusnomade8887 and there will be more 🙂👍
Where can I purchase a slim cane low weight and graduate to higher weight? I hope you do more videos
Unfortunately I have no außer for that. The Stimme stick by cold steel is not in production anymore 😕
But for straining purpose, it need not to be beautyfull.
You can experiment with (ash) sticks of different diameters and use lead tape to give the end different weights.
Hi, again Oliver 😀 two questions: 1.- Turner wand page 35 illustration 4, wand between the legs, I'm correct in assuming that you move first, exercise VII, with one grip (do the Turner steps) and then change grips and repeat? & 2.- Do you know that Fairbairn of "get tough," "defendu", has a routine with the cane? Cheers
1) yes, exercise VII has two variations: palm up and palm down.
The exercises are not about stepping out, but stepping over the wand one leg after another and back.
2) yes, and I was thinking about a small video on that with a few toughts 🙂 It's historicaly a bit late, but anyway 🙃
What is the distance? Am i aiming to make contact with the sweet spot like 4 inches to 8 inches in on the cane? Thanks for the content
No there is no need for a sweet spot.
Those are blade related for a propper cut.
Using the cane like this is actually like hitting with a mace. Aim with the weight at the end 😃
Sadly Cold Steel doesn't make the slim stick anymore. What is the weight of your stick? I have the newer Pistol Grip City Stick by CS with an added rubber tip for walking on smooth surfaces. It weighs about 20 oz (580 g).
Also, I like the tip for the tape wrap. I have problems keeping the cane from sliding in my hand when trying pommel forward moulinets. A bit of hockey tape should help.
One other question, how far from the end should your hand be? I've seen demonstrations with the tip being close to the wrist and others with the tip almost back to the elbow.
Thanks again. And, this has been shared to my HEMA group.
That's truely a pity. It was more or less a spontanious buy after my first Bartitsu class 😅
It's a really light weight 6.7oz (190g)
H.G. Lang wrote it should be held six inch from the tip.
But in my experience it varies a bit depending on overall lenght and weight of the head.
There is a position which should feel quite natural.
@@OliverJanseps, thanks again. I did have students choke up on the stick when they had problems with controlling the tip.
Finding an 8 or 9-ounce stick will be the challenge. With a stick that light, the movements would be easier than with my heavier sticks (20oz city sticks & even heavier Hame cane). With the heavier sticks, it makes more sense to keep the weighted end closer to my hand, like a counterbalance. That speeds up the broadsword/saber-style cuts I make. I will have to figure out a light stick just to figure out this way of manipulating the strikes, even if it is a wooden dowel with a rubber end.
You don't have to go that lite. But a good training option is a simple rattan stick (which suits canne Vigny very well) with a rubber ferule on the wrong end 🙃
Oliver, thank you for a fascinating video. I used to practice Karate many years ago. I am 61 now and have to walk with a stick. However, is it possible to practice this with a wooden stick? Mine is normal really with a "T" shaped handle.
@@russbarker2727 you're welcome 🙂
Sure you can practise this style with nearly all canes. Just use the handle as serving end.
You may have a look at the weight in the beginning.
Have fun and btw. We will discover more different fighting styles for the cane from the past 😊
@@OliverJanseps Excellent. I look forward to seeing them.
@@russbarker2727 😃 I finished part II for this style yesterday. It will be up on Monday. Let me know what you think of it 👍
1st time watching. I tried using a 31 inch arrow. I was going to add a little bit of weight on the end. Would this be a good way to begin?
31 inch, that's a really long arrow (I did not they could be so long)
Sounds like a good Substitution to learn the movements in the beginning 👍👍
Was this ever used in a fight? That flicky wrist stuff looks mechanicalky weak. Especially where the wrist is turned inward, towards the body.
I think ill just stay with my tennis strokes and mix that with a few fencing parries.
These movements are looking a little bit close to basic Mensur-Fencing in German Studendt Brotherhoods. Of course there are differences, but obviously the safety of the own head keeping arm and hand and weapon above the own head and in front of yourself
You are not the first ine mentioned this and I see the similarities in this exercises.
If it comes to 'Real' parry riposte there will be a lot more body involved to generate power.
@@OliverJanseps In German Mensur the Paukant (fighter) in a fixed distance stands still, only moving the right or left arm. This is with the so called "Schläger", the sharpened fencing weapon, only target the head of the opponent under strong rules. I by myself did 4 of these fights in my student times. In old times with saber it was with moving. Even nowadays in Austria the classical Mensur is with some kind of mowing. They have there own rules.
@FramaryGmbH I am also from Germany (but never participated a Mensur). I was lucky to participate a class from a professionell Mensur Fechtmeister, learned a lot. (You could not know that)
I am familiar with it's history as part of fencing history (have a look at some other stuff of my channel) but what you say about Austrien Mensur is interesting. I guess it is hard to find online, so may I ask about some more Details? I am curious 🙂
@@OliverJanseps gib mir mal Deine email, dann können wir auch deutsch schreiben
Wir können auch hier auf Deutsch schreiben, kein Problem für mich.
Tatsächlich fiel mit grade ein, dass ich mich verlesen haben muss und dass du nicht australisch sondern österreichisch geschrieben haben musst 🙃
Wobei ich die Unterschiede trotzdem nicht zu kennen scheine. Mal abgesehen davon, dass der Penalsäbel noch größere Bedeutung hat.
Another great cane vid! Would love to see your take on Delauney and Larribeau (but we don't want to over work you...)
I have to justify myself as beeing your stick sensei 😎
I had a play with Larribeau as Chris Slee came out with his translation and I liked it. Its on my list.
But my ruff list is btw. ~ 60 sources for cane and/or baton 🙃😅
Great I'll be watching Sensei!
@@russ7928 😃 Oss! 🙏
Hallo ! Ich benutze diesen Stock oft. Deshalb habe ich es ein wenig fertig gemacht - ich habe eine Spitze von einem Trekking-Stick mit einer Titanspitze am Ende getragen. Ich benutze es beim Gehen auf Eis. Und darüber wird eine austauschbare Gummispitze für das tägliche Gehen angezogen. Daher ist es jetzt absolut legal , dass der Stock bei Bedarf auch für ernsthafte Stichschläge verwendet werden kann . Und ich benutze auch einen gleitenden Paracord-Verschluss.
@@sergeyleopard8872 der Stock ist so leicht, mit einer Spitze am unteren Ende wüsste jeder moderne Fechter damit etwas anzustellen falls nötig.
Gibt es da auch empty hands?
Bartitsu war ein Hybridsystem bestehend aus mehreren Einzeldisziplinen, die ander Schule gelehrt wurden.
Darunter fand sich neben dem Stockkampf auch englisches Boxen, französisches Savate (Kickboxen), schweizer Ringen und Jiu-Jitsu aus Japan.
Also ja, genügend 🙂
What is the word he uses? Mullinaise (spelled as I heard it)?😊
Close 😊
It's 'Moulinette' it is the common French word for this kind of fencing exercise. It just means 'mill'
You would have heared about the 'moulin rouge' 😉
@@OliverJanseps Thank you. 😊
@@Hank-r3h you're very welcome 🙂
"You europeans have no martial Arts!"
Ancient gladiators, boxer and wrestlers leave the chat en block.
Exactly 👌
Not to say the Japanese were facinated by European boxing and fencing. Included it in their style of swordfifhting as well as Kano praised boxing as free randori -the same way he wanted to go with his judo.
Their is no culture on earth without an martial art. Human were always good to 'create' something to fight each other 🙃
A regular curved cane is legal to carry, even on a plane. Carry a Dr 's letter of need.
@@clabianco1 I just had to do it once as I bought a shillelagh on vacation. Luckily I had no problems.
Sherlock Holmes was an expert practitioner
Obsessed with everything which makes him an really intetesting Charakter ❤️🔥
Bonk
exactly 😁
the spot as you call it is everthing suck you know what is what
@@user-wu6xz6lm3v I really don't know if you mean it in a positiv or negativ way 😅
Kali practitioners shaking their heads ha
@@Riposte821 🤝 from an ex Eskrimador
French or german accent?
@@breannestahlman5953 interesting that you struggle between these two 🤔
But it's indeed German 😅
Here to confuse the algorithm
Just because you are a 'Jungspund' (?) 😄
Or the algorithms confuse you
@@gaiusmarcus8 nah, it's just main Streamer content the mayority on YT watches 😎
lets play with sticks shit lets blay
@@user-wu6xz6lm3v
It's fun, kids do it 🙂
Rather use a Irish Blackthorn mate
I could, I have two of them 😁
A new one for training from German blackthorn and an older one from an flea market at hells kitchen.
in these days of knife attacks.........
@@suecharnock9369 knife fights and knife attacks are also a different kind of story 😔
If you carry a stick in the UK, you will get arrested.
@@lrdisco2005 sometimes law could be awful.
Hopefully they let me my umbrella so I don't get wet in the rain 🙃
Then the UK is full of weak knees and small minds
Only if you are Christian. We are under persecution
It's fine to use a Narwhal tusk.
@@lindsayheyes925 this would be very extravagant as well 😄
leider kann ich die deutsche Aussprache nicht ertragen... 'preVent' nicht *#preWent', gosh...
Du hättest mein Englisch mal vor vier Jahren hören sollen 🙃
lol
You're welcome 🙂
I understand the history of the system but please stop dressing like you're in cosplay
@@KevinTorres-lz3zo martial arts is all about cosplay 😉
one could post that under countless Budo and Kung Fu videos.
I just choosed a signature hat from a standart hat shop 🙃
Just clicked play to check pronunciation...was dissapointed, but now I know. Hahaha.
Okay, that took a moment 😅
Did Sherlock Holmes fight with Professor Moriarty with canes? Although Arthur Conan Doyle described this duel as a bare-handed melee.
That's right there were no canes used in this fight.
But Arthur Conan Doyle wrote Holmes used Bartitsu (Baritsu). Bartitsu was taught in London at the Bartitsu academy of arms and physical culture and involved a curriculum of bare knuckle boxing, wrestling, savate, jiu jitsu and cane fighting. The last two are the ones they Bartitsu was famoud for.
It's fictional but to say Holmes would not be Holmes if he did not learned all the arts offered.
Thats why most people reffer to Holmes also when It's about canne Vigny.
I found this by searching for "good canes". I call this providence as due to a recent injury, I will probably have to use a cane for the rest of my life. Thank you for this video, I will check out your others and subscribe. This looks like a journey I want to take. Edit: should I be calling it a stick instead of cane?
@@dontsupportrats4089 I hope you get as well as possible!
But in the sense of "if live gives you lemons, make lemonade" I welcome you to the journey 🙂
If you have questions or whiches, dont hesitade!
I am not a native speaker, but I use (walking) cane or walking stick interchangeable 🤷♂️