A master is the one who has the ability to not only perform, but also explain the same to any layman. Very nice explanation by the Master! Thanks for the upload.
Thank You for posting this. He explained the alap and the beginning composition of the Raag in a way that, myself a westerner, could understand perfectly :)
Listening to his section on the Concert for Bangladesh in the '70's I never dreamed I would actually see him in concert! Well, I did in Seattle in the early 2,000's and with his daughter Anoushka it was pure magic!!!
The concept that Hindustani classical music is circular without staccato, as opposed to western music with corners, appeals to me. Everything in the universe, from the tiniest cell to to the largest galaxy, moves in circular and spiral directions. To me this means Indian music is more advanced in theory than western.
It depends on what classical music you listen to. There are plenty of examples of music that is not “staccato” in European Classical music. There are also compositions of a circular nature, with a static tonal center. It is a vast and also ancient tradition with many different approaches and concepts. I don’t think they can be compared 1:1 because the spiritual dimension of India must be considered. Clearly the spiritual dimension of Europe was more based on Christian cosmology. This affects how music is explored, and from country to country and century to century, vastly different aesthetics were explored. The reason we have the terms legato and staccato is precisely because some composers mixed them or used “softer” approaches stylistically.
I'm watching the movie "The Disciple" and in 1/3 of the movie I was too focused on the subtitles and the musical part got lost a bit. Since I was able to experience Ravi Shankar in a concert in Berlin around the 1970s, I absolutely had to look at this explanation of the RAGA. Recommendation: watch this Intriductuion first and then watch the film "The Disciple". A lot of things are then self-explanatory and enjoy the film more, especially if you don't have so much classical Indian music in your ears in everyday life.
wow, I think nobody on earth could ve explained it better than this, many masters dont know how to teach and explain simply only the few Master of Masters can do that.
This is a very important topic Pandit ji is discussing. Please correct the subtitles as it's not correct many times and missing the point. Appreciate if you could please correct it. Thank you!
But Try to know abt HIS Late Son Shubhadra Shankar , who learnt frm His Mother a Surbahar Player frm His tender age...then from His Grt Father too, was able to Carry the Melody a Raga's right Illustration in right Depth n Balances in a Duet Konzerts many a time in Comparison wth Anoushka His Daubhter !!
+kiran datey It isnt the western world. In sanskrit it would be raga and it is still called raga in the south. In the north raga becomes rag like tala becomes tal.
Hey, raag is the Hindustani (North Indian) pronunciation, raagam is the Carnatic (South Indian) pronunciation and raga for whatever reason is the English pronunciation. It’s just that different people say different things.
It's due to elision of schwa (sound of "a" in "about") from the end of words in modern Indian languages derived from Sanskrit/Prakrit. In Sanskrit, the word raaga is pronounced raag-uh. Hindi has lost this schwa and so one says raag even though the word is written the same way. Because the schwa is a weak sound, some people phonologically strengthen the sound and say raagaa when speaking English to make it more obvious.
Because the Sanskrit words contain an 'a' at the end. When the British started learning the language in order to understand India and Indology was started, they wrongly pronounced the short a as aa and that stuck in formal English. This is an English word, not the Hindi that you are thinking.
Great musician, but sorry, not so great a teacher, (for a novice like me anyway) When he introduces terms like "we don't modulate, the tonic will be the same" I have no idea what he means by that. Can somebody explain "The tanpurra is there, it is playing the drone, and we maintain what we call saa you call do but I don't mean do connected with see, but the movable do" I know he knows what he is talking about, I wish I could understand it better....
cultclassic999 So the tanpura is the instrument that you can hear in the background while he plays the sitar. It generally maintains the same tone but glows slowly in and out if you see what I mean ~ so the point is that in indian classical music we can't modulate ❨change the base note of the scale) as we do in western music because the base note has to agree with the drone of the tanpura. When he says Saa, that's just a way to name a musical note. Like Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti = C D E F G A B (i.e. doe a deer a female deer). He then makes the comparison to 'Do', which is commonly seen as the base note in western music, but then clarifies that it doesn't correspond to any pitch in the way that Standard Tuning dictates western music (A=440Hz), but rather the base note Saa in Indian Classical Music can take any pitch that is comfortable to the musician. I hope that can help a little! It's so interesting I think. I'm a complete novice too though so I am very prepared to stand corrected if I said anything wrong.
For example, let us take the raag Bhoop /Bhoopali which he mentioned. The notes for this would be Sa Re Ga Pa Dha Sa. The corresponding notes would be Do Re Me So La and the higher Do. Suppose the singer / vocalist is singing this with Sa as the middle C on a piano. The tanpura / drone is set to middle C. The above notes would be written in western notation possibly as C D E G A and the higher octave C.. Normally one would expect the vocalist to at least span two octaves; from the G below middle C to say the E in the octave above middle. Now it might happen that another artiste has a voice that is naturally pitched higher. He / she might not be able to touch the lower G and the raag rendition wont be good. So what we do is as follows. The Drone would be set to say D sharp and the artiste would treat D sharp as Sa and would still sing Sa Re Ga Pa Dha Sa,. ( which would still correspond to Do (this is what he means by movable), Re Me So La and the higher Do.) Now suppose these notes were to be written down in western notation. This would read something like D sharp, F, G, A sharp, C, and D sharp of the higher octave. Knowledgeable Indians in the audience would appreciate the lingering on the Ga as he pointed out, while a trained western ear would hear this as lingering on G. What really governs the mood of the raag is the relative spacing between its notes which stays the same even if it is transposed to another key.
Nandakumar Menon in other words. u can say classical indian music focus on intervals and their importance in a scale. More than the name and precise key ( just that sone may understand it better this way xD)
He seemed to be speaking to an audience with some familiarity with the theory of western music, but who is novice to _the Indian tradition._ Ie, it is for a relative novice.
When Masters speak and explain, everything sounds so simple. Even something as complex as Indian Classical Music ! Thank You for posting this video.
indeed
A master is the one who has the ability to not only perform, but also explain the same to any layman. Very nice explanation by the Master! Thanks for the upload.
Thank You for posting this. He explained the alap and the beginning composition of the Raag in a way that, myself a westerner, could understand perfectly :)
Very useful introduction to raga in Western musical terms, from one of the greatest communicators of the art.
Indian music is so deep so vast and yet so simple...just like the waves in the sea.
Listening to his section on the Concert for Bangladesh in the '70's I never dreamed I would actually see him in concert! Well, I did in Seattle in the early 2,000's and with his daughter Anoushka it was pure magic!!!
The concept that Hindustani classical music is circular without staccato, as opposed to western music with corners, appeals to me. Everything in the universe, from the tiniest cell to to the largest galaxy, moves in circular and spiral directions. To me this means Indian music is more advanced in theory than western.
Right Realisations n Imaginations dear Simpsons
Indian classical music is thousands of years old. Unparalleled
Could not have said it better...Thank You !!
It depends on what classical music you listen to. There are plenty of examples of music that is not “staccato” in European Classical music. There are also compositions of a circular nature, with a static tonal center. It is a vast and also ancient tradition with many different approaches and concepts. I don’t think they can be compared 1:1 because the spiritual dimension of India must be considered. Clearly the spiritual dimension of Europe was more based on Christian cosmology. This affects how music is explored, and from country to country and century to century, vastly different aesthetics were explored. The reason we have the terms legato and staccato is precisely because some composers mixed them or used “softer” approaches stylistically.
Carnatic Classical Music is also very much circular because of the gamakams sung or played, which makes the music very much curved or rounded.
The more you know the simplest way you explain.....He did the same......Knowledge worth of many hours is given in few minutes
the whole universe in 12 minutes. Maestro
Legend....my humble pranams
Thank you very much to God. To listen to the melodious music.
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thanks for protecting the pure traditions. ahimsa, non-violent dialogue and diplomacy! ok?
Absolutely fascinating. So cool. I want to learn more about this.
Very instructive.Clear explanation from a guru.
I'm watching the movie "The Disciple" and in 1/3 of the movie I was too focused on the subtitles and the musical part got lost a bit. Since I was able to experience Ravi Shankar in a concert in Berlin around the 1970s, I absolutely had to look at this explanation of the RAGA. Recommendation: watch this Intriductuion first and then watch the film "The Disciple". A lot of things are then self-explanatory and enjoy the film more, especially if you don't have so much classical Indian music in your ears in everyday life.
Very much encouraging.
Regards.
this made me practice! thank you master
We salute you sir what an explanation heads off to you
Heads off or hats off??
wow, I think nobody on earth could ve explained it better than this, many masters dont know how to teach and explain simply only the few Master of Masters can do that.
Thank you for sharing this beautiful lesson.
I LOVE YOU, RAVI.........
This is only the first drop..... India classical music like everything Indian is an ocean....
You are great sir
Music is like an ocean.
I'm so high right now... this shits nutzzz
Better Be Low n Come down to Enjoy Indian Classical Music n Listen Soulfully to feel the Depth of a Raga ....
You still high???
amazing ..thnx for posting
Coming here after Adam Neely's new video
Master 🙏🏽🌺
Thank you, it was very helpful.
AMAZING
10:09 hand example was so excellent
Ravi's daughter Anoushka Shankar shreds too!!!!! Check her out!!!!
Thank you!
Wonderful
Ravi Shankar's play invoke passion. He might have signed pact with devil.
With God
This is a very important topic Pandit ji is discussing. Please correct the subtitles as it's not correct many times and missing the point. Appreciate if you could please correct it. Thank you!
I don't know if that is possible.
His Daughter is Norah Jones. WooooooooooooW
Can't believe she abandoned her family name.
But Try to know abt HIS Late Son Shubhadra Shankar , who learnt frm His Mother a Surbahar Player frm His tender age...then from His Grt Father too, was able to Carry the Melody a Raga's right Illustration in right Depth n Balances in a Duet Konzerts many a time in Comparison wth Anoushka His Daubhter !!
Insight.
Who were the 21 wieners who disliked this!?
Where can I watch the full interview?
HD Version th-cam.com/video/fTzg7WfmtPs/w-d-xo.html
whats the difference of a raga and a raag?
+kiran datey It isnt the western world. In sanskrit it would be raga and it is still called raga in the south. In the north raga becomes rag like tala becomes tal.
You are not wrong but that is not a bengal thing, Malkoush is one of the recognized (older) names of Malkauns.
autobotftwww The name is derived from "Maalav Kaushik" .. But today it's name is Maalkauns.. The foremost and prime member of the Kauns Ang Ragas..
Hey, raag is the Hindustani (North Indian) pronunciation, raagam is the Carnatic (South Indian) pronunciation and raga for whatever reason is the English pronunciation. It’s just that different people say different things.
It's due to elision of schwa (sound of "a" in "about") from the end of words in modern Indian languages derived from Sanskrit/Prakrit. In Sanskrit, the word raaga is pronounced raag-uh. Hindi has lost this schwa and so one says raag even though the word is written the same way. Because the schwa is a weak sound, some people phonologically strengthen the sound and say raagaa when speaking English to make it more obvious.
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I don’t know why Indian people are called raga, yoga etc. either these words are noun and the can pronouns them as it is.......raag, yog etc
Because the Sanskrit words contain an 'a' at the end. When the British started learning the language in order to understand India and Indology was started, they wrongly pronounced the short a as aa and that stuck in formal English. This is an English word, not the Hindi that you are thinking.
Bro - its actually Ragam, Yogam (sanskrit) - then it got corrupted
Great musician, but sorry, not so great a teacher, (for a novice like me anyway)
When he introduces terms like "we don't modulate, the tonic will be the same" I have no idea what he means by that.
Can somebody explain "The tanpurra is there, it is playing the drone, and we maintain what we call saa you call do but I don't mean do connected with see, but the movable do"
I know he knows what he is talking about, I wish I could understand it better....
cultclassic999 So the tanpura is the instrument that you can hear in the background while he plays the sitar. It generally maintains the same tone but glows slowly in and out if you see what I mean ~ so the point is that in indian classical music we can't modulate ❨change the base note of the scale) as we do in western music because the base note has to agree with the drone of the tanpura.
When he says Saa, that's just a way to name a musical note. Like Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti = C D E F G A B (i.e. doe a deer a female deer). He then makes the comparison to 'Do', which is commonly seen as the base note in western music, but then clarifies that it doesn't correspond to any pitch in the way that Standard Tuning dictates western music (A=440Hz), but rather the base note Saa in Indian Classical Music can take any pitch that is comfortable to the musician.
I hope that can help a little! It's so interesting I think. I'm a complete novice too though so I am very prepared to stand corrected if I said anything wrong.
well friend, drone is like continuous sounds. tantra is con tinuity, indo-european root.
For example, let us take the raag Bhoop /Bhoopali which he mentioned. The notes for this would be Sa Re Ga Pa Dha Sa. The corresponding notes would be Do Re Me So La and the higher Do. Suppose the singer / vocalist is singing this with Sa as the middle C on a piano. The tanpura / drone is set to middle C. The above notes would be written in western notation possibly as C D E G A and the higher octave C.. Normally one would expect the vocalist to at least span two octaves; from the G below middle C to say the E in the octave above middle. Now it might happen that another artiste has a voice that is naturally pitched higher. He / she might not be able to touch the lower G and the raag rendition wont be good. So what we do is as follows. The Drone would be set to say D sharp and the artiste would treat D sharp as Sa and would still sing Sa Re Ga Pa Dha Sa,. ( which would still correspond to Do (this is what he means by movable), Re Me So La and the higher Do.) Now suppose these notes were to be written down in western notation. This would read something like D sharp, F, G, A sharp, C, and D sharp of the higher octave. Knowledgeable Indians in the audience would appreciate the lingering on the Ga as he pointed out, while a trained western ear would hear this as lingering on G. What really governs the mood of the raag is the relative spacing between its notes which stays the same even if it is transposed to another key.
Nandakumar Menon in other words. u can say classical indian music focus on intervals and their importance in a scale. More than the name and precise key ( just that sone may understand it better this way xD)
He seemed to be speaking to an audience with some familiarity with the theory of western music, but who is novice to _the Indian tradition._
Ie, it is for a relative novice.