Strongest Defence Ever! (*IMPENETRABLE*) | arras.io

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  • hehe
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    this was the strongest possible defence at the time, but now with assembler(new tank) u could make even stronger bases.
    But using purely 2 or 4 sidewinders in ffa maze or squads or duos is not the strongest or fun option. Combinations like sidewinder + annihilator in maze duos means u need to be constantly active with the annihilator but its stronger than just 2 sidewinders. Using sidewinder + overgunner instead would be slightly weaker but means u can gain lots of score with the overgunner and its fun. Similar theory with maze squads, just more combination possibilities
    do note these are NEAR impenetrable, not 100% impenetrable.
    2 squads of 4 factories (8x6=48 drones) attacking well would take any maze base squad down
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    0:00 None Of Them Broke Through.
    0:11 Why Make The "Strongest Defence Ever"?
    0:46 Step 1: Strongest Bullet = Strongest Defence
    1:20 Step 2: Which Tank Is AFK Proof?
    1:48 Step 3: Learn How To Multi-box
    2:24 Step 4: I Want More Kills!
    4:12 Step 5: Me +Me + Friend = 3X Firepower.
    6:07 Step 6: Strong Defence Just Got Even Stronger
    6:55 Step 7: Strongest Defence Ever... ACHIEVED!
    8:40 Part 8: Trolling With Sidewinders (-__-)
    10:05 Part 9: DETAILED TUTORIAL

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  • @gaybowser8206
    @gaybowser8206 ปีที่แล้ว +1336

    As a game developer, if I had ever seen something like this in one of my games, I wouldn't even bother to patch it because this seems like one of those rare Easter eggs.

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว +283

      that's a really wise choice and i'm glad of it, gay bowser.

    • @PHyN-uc6ph
      @PHyN-uc6ph ปีที่แล้ว +29

      ​@@MASSIVEBIRD lol tf

    • @tanusrinath3597
      @tanusrinath3597 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@PHyN-uc6ph xD lol

    • @dragondude6984
      @dragondude6984 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      😮😂

    • @scootergirl4817
      @scootergirl4817 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      are you the real gay bowser???????????????

  • @ssssssfr
    @ssssssfr ปีที่แล้ว +841

    3 sidewinders 1 hole 💀💀💀

    • @SR_Somegames
      @SR_Somegames ปีที่แล้ว +86

      bro speedrunned video in comments

    • @agustus9464
      @agustus9464 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      4 when I play arras

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Ok

    • @leverage.X
      @leverage.X ปีที่แล้ว +8

      😳🤣

    • @maxmanchik
      @maxmanchik ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Guys, I think he's referencing the "2 girls 1 cup" 🤣

  • @ik0seth
    @ik0seth ปีที่แล้ว +292

    glad to see this game still alive, i rmemeber communicating with enemies using spins lol

    • @Melodeybae
      @Melodeybae ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Fr

    • @einsof2894
      @einsof2894 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      There's a chat feature now

    • @ik0seth
      @ik0seth ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@einsof2894 woah, id like to play this game once i fix my computer, thx for the info :))

    • @rip_flareon
      @rip_flareon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Game name?

    • @mtmongus6614
      @mtmongus6614 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@einsof2894 but aren't they communicating using names in the video then that means there isn't one

  • @glassofwater5140
    @glassofwater5140 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    eventhough i quitted playing this game, u still make it alive and made it enjoyable

  • @fancyd6323
    @fancyd6323 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    with switching tabs you can use ctrl+2 (if your tab is on the 2nd row) so basically what row is the tab you wanna to be in examples: ctrl+2, 3 ,4 ,5 and so on.

    • @tingxu4367
      @tingxu4367 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you have the same profile picture as my son!

    • @rabakasultana7849
      @rabakasultana7849 ปีที่แล้ว

      WARNING!!! THIS VIDEO HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY EPILEPSY ACTION TO POTENTIALLY TRIGGER SEIZURES FOR PEOPLE WITH PHOTOSENSITIVITY EPILEPSY. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED ALLSO HEADPHONE USERS WARNED BLUE SCREEN OF DEATHS 14 BSOD 14 IPHONE EDITON iphone os 1 0:31 ios 4 1:30 iOS 5 2:41 iOS 7 3:49 iOS 9 4:55 iOS 11 5:56 iOS 14 7:16 iPhone needs to cool down before you can use it. 7:49 iOS 16 8:03 Outro 9:08 Warning 0:20 Intro 0:00

  • @randomcookie2706
    @randomcookie2706 ปีที่แล้ว +320

    There is only 1 way to destroy this defense: THE ARCHITECT
    The architect is probably the trap-type with the most bullet penetration in the game, i used it versus a sidewinder base and it was kinda hard to penetrate their defenses but eventually i almost did it, but an annihilator killed me before i did it lol

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Architect not as strong as anni

    • @randomcookie2706
      @randomcookie2706 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@MASSIVEBIRD also more reload, and i said it was the trap-type with the most penetration, not the tank with the most penetration

    • @sanboxal
      @sanboxal ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@MASSIVEBIRD there is a chance everyone will realize and tada you're getting rushed by the entire server, and the setup isn't made to support a rush from the whole server

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@sanboxal i know

    • @sanboxal
      @sanboxal ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MASSIVEBIRD so thats a weakness

  • @YuzukiHyPeR
    @YuzukiHyPeR ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow I'm thankful for this!
    Keep up the good work 'cuz you earned a sub❤

  • @Happyface101
    @Happyface101 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    congratulations bird, you have made something that will change arras at mazes, I am totally proud of you making teamers forced to call pros a noob. weepee

  • @leklek263
    @leklek263 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great tricks! I could use these to be a pro. Thank you!

  • @dramsy69
    @dramsy69 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Imagine if you manage to make a perfect AFK Grind and suddenly the arena closer came by and destroy everything thats gonna be hilarious
    so whatever happens you still die there's no point to survive longer if the arena was closed

  • @leklek263
    @leklek263 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how beta pentagon attacks you and such an amazing scene

  • @WillTheGreat381
    @WillTheGreat381 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Congrats on 1m views, it's actually insane!

  • @themostoriginalyoutuber
    @themostoriginalyoutuber ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Yh I spent about 10 mins yesterday doing quadruple sidewind with random ppl. It's very popular.

  • @alexgameru875
    @alexgameru875 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:43 ACTUALLY SMART GUY, analysed, survived and could win if all 3 turrets was afk

  • @pragton
    @pragton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect effect

  • @Aston_Martin_Vulcan
    @Aston_Martin_Vulcan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was player 4tdm maze and i saw a base that consisted of
    5 machine gunners
    1 or 2 constructors
    Various others to kill or damage people before they can get to the base

  • @skipslash7367
    @skipslash7367 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember one of the clans was doing this in growth clan wars while fire was chilling in the middle they were like just below in their tunnel

  • @peamister2173
    @peamister2173 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I actually broke into one by being a sidewinder with maxxed bullets and as much movement speed as possible

  • @SonicFan-fl3tu
    @SonicFan-fl3tu ปีที่แล้ว

    me who has never played this game:
    *this seems like fun.*
    *imma try it*

  • @PROfessionaltrollers
    @PROfessionaltrollers ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Well the only thing that could break this is probably a high health tank build alongside several rammers plus streamliners and nail guns plus drones and a factory otherwise if you see this in a lobby, just leave

  • @vincentsetio9851
    @vincentsetio9851 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah yes i remember wacthing this as a kid

  • @thestone5792
    @thestone5792 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Dude, you're gaining popularity so fast! I only saw you 1 mouth ago with 100 subscribers, now it's almost 3k.
    Keep it up!

    • @THEarrasBuddhist
      @THEarrasBuddhist ปีที่แล้ว

      YES!

    • @THEarrasBuddhist
      @THEarrasBuddhist ปีที่แล้ว

      The "rarest shape in arras io" video gained almost 400k views and only 1 month passed!

  • @breakyourlimits7290
    @breakyourlimits7290 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was "let me in too pls"

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait really?… lol I wasn’t able to let you in though cuz the hole was full sorry

  • @isa._mus
    @isa._mus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:53 biggest anime moment

  • @sinjin7415
    @sinjin7415 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Haven't played in a hot min so not sure why this vid popped up in my feed lol but this makes me wonder if my octo boss build still holds up. When I played regularly I'd always play teams and wait for the enemy to start dominate so I could practice fending off as many people as possible, I think my best was 7. Just fyi I try stay out in the open as long as humanly possible. The octo boss build is basicly max bullet dmg and penetration no bullet speed no movement speed max fire rate max defense and hp. After maxing hp/defense and bullet dmg, rpm and penetration slap any remaining points into regeneration. You move around by using the bullets like a rammer and the idea is to lock an area down for your team. It better imo then trapper cuz you can be really aggressive if needed and you can tank alot. You can survive one shot tanks and sometimes direct rams from spike tanks. But rammer and drones are this builds specialty. This build requires you to have a great game sense and be able to predict enemy movements and intentions. You might be able to use it still but it really shines when you know what's going to happen before it happens. I might hop on again just for the nostalgia but we'll see I guess. There's no middle ground for me it's either Gandalf you shall not pass mode or just a decoy to split enemy forces so they aren't concentrated in one spot.

    • @Riciliz
      @Riciliz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you haven't tried the hurricane build?
      I mean, if you main octo, you should atleast try it once.

    • @gamingwithsalashu7961
      @gamingwithsalashu7961 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I will not read all of that
      bro typed a whole essay

    • @sinjin7415
      @sinjin7415 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gamingwithsalashu7961 I mean it took 7 months to reply so you had plenty of time 🤷 and even still you probly would've finished reading with the amount of time it took you to reply anyways. To each their own I guess

    • @sinjin7415
      @sinjin7415 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Riciliz I like making a wall out of my bullets and with how I have things set up it allows me to you myself as bait when enemies try to get around me to ram from behind. I let them get close then push them away and I can do that most of the time because thanks to my slow moving bullet wall I have a split second to do what's needed. The problem with this is getting to max lvl fml. Getting kills is a bonus, it's not the goal here. It's keeping the enemy at bay so ur team mates can go lvl up cuz nobody cares if your max lvl or lvl 1, they see you they'll attack like animals

  • @azaanmaqbool2282
    @azaanmaqbool2282 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just get everyone on your team to become sidewinder and get into hole and all pile on top of each other to either disintegrate or lag out your opponents

  • @ArrasDestiny
    @ArrasDestiny 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like your fonts ngl😂whats that font call

  • @breakyourlimits7290
    @breakyourlimits7290 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I REMEMBER THAT SERVER, IT WAS BEFORE I KNEW IT WAS YOU 😭

  • @sutilako8849
    @sutilako8849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thankyou bird!!

  • @Cane1477
    @Cane1477 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    imaginense si en vez del sidewinder fuera el rocketeer 💥

  • @tcofficialtechcourse8160
    @tcofficialtechcourse8160 ปีที่แล้ว

    this makes me cry inside

  • @badjao100xaviermalala8
    @badjao100xaviermalala8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this video almost reminds me of old times where people do random crap on diep

  • @eggegg6448
    @eggegg6448 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy cow this video is so good

    • @eggegg6448
      @eggegg6448 ปีที่แล้ว

      And fun to watch

  • @idostuffandmorestuff
    @idostuffandmorestuff 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You can actually get technically infinite alts, and you need to do this by using different browsers, with up to two tabs per browser. However, this will sometimes cause a 'socket error', limiting you to just the two tabs. By different browsers, i mean like chrome and opera, not just a seperate window or inprivate.
    Have fun

  • @eeekle8230
    @eeekle8230 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very good

  • @dolphinfish-zt5xx
    @dolphinfish-zt5xx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    omfg that d=whistle at he start WHYYYY

  • @flapaz
    @flapaz ปีที่แล้ว

    7 sidewinders + Maze tag + several engineers and a few streamliners = To op

  • @Leafy-nt8nc
    @Leafy-nt8nc ปีที่แล้ว

    The phrase "Wuhan eeeeeeeehhhh balaalllalalalahaaaaaeeeeee" made me fly across the room lol

  • @lourdesnow1904
    @lourdesnow1904 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:45 cave beast but in the bottom great reference 😅

  • @user-jx3el1jg5v
    @user-jx3el1jg5v หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:01 had me Rollin on the floor💀

  • @CatspyArras
    @CatspyArras ปีที่แล้ว

    you are so good

  • @DeadChannel157
    @DeadChannel157 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty surprised this game still someone making video of it

  • @elgatocasanovafumadordeeuc5382
    @elgatocasanovafumadordeeuc5382 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yo dude your edition is insane, some day you will get millions bro

  • @kikc
    @kikc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video

  • @noahsmindset1507
    @noahsmindset1507 ปีที่แล้ว

    Underrated

  • @anneliesoliver8705
    @anneliesoliver8705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:17 i think that was me.

  • @Spaceguy69420
    @Spaceguy69420 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:30 i have an idea, hire 3 guys and tell them to be in the hole up there so if someone gets past the first obstacle they meet stronger power and d i e

  • @gp5313
    @gp5313 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoyed every second 😅

  • @mandyko6530
    @mandyko6530 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine an enemy leading 50 green triangles into your hole hoping it would break through😂

  • @Doggydoggylol
    @Doggydoggylol 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you can try using the penta shot or streamliner for the trap, since the streamliner has faster reload and the penta shot has a wide range of aim, those can be used other than sidewinder

    • @Doggydoggylol
      @Doggydoggylol 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and to make your alt and friend safe, team with them maybe, possible in sandbox

  • @FILLUSERD
    @FILLUSERD ปีที่แล้ว

    man... i grew up with this game... it is so pupolar

  • @user-hm6ui2hd6k
    @user-hm6ui2hd6k 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    bird you are the best

  • @ghoulbuster1
    @ghoulbuster1 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video contains a dangerous amount of tomfoolery, good!

  • @Combat1029
    @Combat1029 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what is the name of the "I want more kills" song?

  • @simik4830
    @simik4830 ปีที่แล้ว

    even tho i dont play this game I really enjoyed watching this, great job! :D

  • @fabricioresmini1542
    @fabricioresmini1542 ปีที่แล้ว

    "YOU HITTED THE WALL SON, AND I AM THE FUCKING WALL" *metal gear "have to be this way" music beggins*

  • @xxsuperdestroyerxx9258
    @xxsuperdestroyerxx9258 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the original game like this we all used to play back in school

  • @Alterr.
    @Alterr. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤❤

  • @JustAnotherCommenter
    @JustAnotherCommenter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lit video bro

  • @trangiaan7265
    @trangiaan7265 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me :
    6 SIDEWINDERS, 1 HOLE BOOSTED BY A DAMN FACTORY

  • @shadowdragon334
    @shadowdragon334 ปีที่แล้ว

    Btw how did you make the bullets bend

  • @user-qf1mq3ce4d
    @user-qf1mq3ce4d ปีที่แล้ว

    my childhood game

  • @charmandarcharizard4360
    @charmandarcharizard4360 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bird, your so cool, Europe server is now filled with side winders

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My true mission has been accomplished

  • @player21231
    @player21231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:52 respect

  • @randomcookie2706
    @randomcookie2706 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    i did this, it taked a bit of time and some deaths, but then when it worked it was impossible to pass trough lmao

    • @TheShepherdYT
      @TheShepherdYT ปีที่แล้ว

      not imposible you use destroyer with same build as the sidewinders then you can get through

    • @randomcookie2706
      @randomcookie2706 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheShepherdYT huh

  • @jax56_d62
    @jax56_d62 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this video! Now i won't be able to hear my parents ever argue in the background again! Because my frontal lobe has fallen apart! Aswome Video

  • @duped497
    @duped497 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:22 it was me and you really named a opportunistic

  • @watsonkong_official
    @watsonkong_official ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video! :D
    Finally i can revenge xdd

  • @isaacmatroos5767
    @isaacmatroos5767 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:15 music sounded so cool

  • @JustCyer
    @JustCyer ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Is it possible to use swarmed instead? For example 3 sidewinders and 1 swarmer?

  • @vectoor415
    @vectoor415 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    HE........ CREATED ALL THIS MADNESS

  • @Hoson__
    @Hoson__ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes

  • @pinchy43
    @pinchy43 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bro you can even maybe end up with 1BILLION SCORE!!!!!
    If possible Ur latterly unstoppable!
    :DDDDDD

  • @Chruzed
    @Chruzed 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    U could Use that In Arms Race Squads gamemode

  • @TheWorldsLargestOven
    @TheWorldsLargestOven 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fun Fact: A hole has two openings.

  • @Sterbun
    @Sterbun ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome

  • @YinLi-jv4nh
    @YinLi-jv4nh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my siege team base(composed of ~20 redistributors annilators pentashots and surgeons could SHRED tons of bosses

  • @senasena1795
    @senasena1795 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The thing idk what to do is that the when u corv the bullet of the sidewinder thats impossible for ne cuz idk about internat

  • @nzkg
    @nzkg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow

  • @bobobo6rel
    @bobobo6rel ปีที่แล้ว

    this is the best youtuber ever

  • @PembuatKomentarHandal
    @PembuatKomentarHandal ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool

  • @lucifersjob252
    @lucifersjob252 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did it… i was left unsatisfied

  • @princedest1ny
    @princedest1ny ปีที่แล้ว

    do this in arms race with hyper winder/vermin

  • @greensunfish
    @greensunfish ปีที่แล้ว

    i subscribed 😊

  • @lonelee5353
    @lonelee5353 ปีที่แล้ว

    man they really thought they were in a csgo zombie escape server, they be blasting the entrance for days

  • @nameisname5566
    @nameisname5566 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait till tou hou players join and using your "defense" as if it is a new gamemode to swiftly dodge around.

  • @keltenkaisertheproud4820
    @keltenkaisertheproud4820 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is nice

  • @samuelngan1383
    @samuelngan1383 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If spike bounce is still a thing. Bounce and glitch through walls

  • @frost5443
    @frost5443 ปีที่แล้ว

    better to have the sidewinding one on mobile as it has "always sidewind" as an option

  • @Sinbadx
    @Sinbadx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    coool

    • @MASSIVEBIRD
      @MASSIVEBIRD  ปีที่แล้ว

      sinbadx my idol

    • @Sinbadx
      @Sinbadx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MASSIVEBIRD you are good at making videos keep going .

    • @BBGOnYT
      @BBGOnYT 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How does a comment from Sinbadx have only 1 like?

  • @Gracefulwarrior2124
    @Gracefulwarrior2124 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the name of the song at 1:48?

  • @HaleluyaShopshop-fl3kk
    @HaleluyaShopshop-fl3kk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God dayum are you my math teacher feel like it ;-;

  • @reluarrelude
    @reluarrelude 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love my ear health, i will watch an bird's vid

  • @jaxsonfranklin5900
    @jaxsonfranklin5900 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how do u get sidewinder

  • @SwaggyAxel
    @SwaggyAxel ปีที่แล้ว

    NO WAY I WAS IN A GAME AND SAW THIS HAPPENING!

  • @jasonzawtun
    @jasonzawtun 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait a sec. Look at 4:18. Is that Mr Hacker? The same guy from my Mini Series B?

  • @matthewdilellio3760
    @matthewdilellio3760 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool!!!!

  • @WHAT45633
    @WHAT45633 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine in teams 8 sidewinders in one hole 4 per collum

  • @ulab8509
    @ulab8509 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Once i destroyed that base with 3 sidewinders. My secret veapon is ranger. I shoot throught corners to kill one of afk sidewinders. Two sidewinders was too hard to kill with maxed ranger. I back later with factory and taken this place for me. I died and back with engineer. I survived 30 minutes and 1000000 points. I also killed many strong tank like overlords factories and annhillators. This story is in my 2nd comment.

  • @ulab8509
    @ulab8509 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Best tank for bases is engineer. I killed many boosters, smashers and at least 3 overlords. And tanks like rangers penta shots annhilators and more I have my base alone and I am Defended myself From 3 boosters attacking me at once! I got in total 1100000 points in maze. That was my record.

    • @Riciliz
      @Riciliz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      cool, but the sidewinder base got 600,000 in one hour

    • @ulab8509
      @ulab8509 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Riciliz how many you got in total?

    • @Riciliz
      @Riciliz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ulab8509 i don't play bases they're boring