So I've gotten to feeling my body as being HUGE. If I pay attention to my body if keeps feeling like it's continually enlarging. I've used this to radiate compassion to the entire universe. I'm not sure what the next step is though
in my opinion the buddists only seem to have half of the full process of the immaterial jhana states which are the personal psychological states but they never seem to deal with the energy states which are also a part + parcel of the jhana + which involve a more multidimensional sense of awareness , It also seems odd to me that when one has completed the jhanas all the way to cessation or nonbeing then what is the process of return from such a state . as one has gone beyond neither perception nor non perception , so , what is it that compells them to return ? why is none of this dealt with in the buddist jhana ? It seems to me that the biddists in their practice of the immaterial jhanas only deal with a personal salvation + not a universal salvation which is implied + implicit in the energy content of the jhanas . Why do they not deal with the energy that is implicit in jhana , as it must be obvious to most that without the energy context then jhana is more like merely mental concentration than the inclusivity of the energy that drives all psychol;ogical states as obviously energy is a part of awareness as much as awareness is a part of energy . Very unscientific of the buddists or perhaps they have lost the portion of the teachings that include the energy that is within + a part of all being
"energy" , if you want to speak scientifically, is rate and volume of movement, and that calculation includes our position, because again, this science takes into account the instrument of measure, the human being. these jhana are levels of perception of analysis of our own relationship to phenomena, down to the root of the craving at their most subtle level. you sir are trying to describe these levels of jhana as objective phenomena, and energy as objective phenomena, and science as an objective discipline, whereas the dhamma is an inquiry into our point of view in the middle of the vortex of space, time, and experience, and takes hold of the very rudder of that experience.
@@ancestralhypnosis michelange , interesting reply but firstly let's not pretend that science knows what energy IS, they have their approximations that deal specifically with the physical system that we currently inhabit + it is obvious that their instruments distort the qualities of energy so that it contains no awareness whatsoever , but thats not the whole kettle of fish is it + as you should know yourself. Scientists just 'see' the outside of energy + not its source , as they will gladly admit themselves. Lord knows how you get the impression that I think that jhana is an objective event , i dont know how many times i have said on this site that in jhana there is not even personality structure let alone any ability to form thoughts or mental images + so very obviously a subjective state. It is obvious that you havnt read my posts + are just jumping like a jackrabbit at impressions that have no reality as far as my discussion is concerned + reacting to your own misinterpretations + lack of knowledge. If you read my posts + make a more sensible comment then i may then reply but if you insist on superficialities , im sorry i cxant help. You are energy I am energy + we are both hopefully conscious. They are one + the same but in different manifestations. ALL is from a divine subjectivity of which we are all a part.
Also, if you actually want an answer to your question, Buddhism uses Jhanas for insight into the four noble truths with the intent to end suffering. That doesn't mean you can't observe other things. Buddhism is exclusively geared towards the ending of suffering, so other areas are deliberately ignored. Lamaism (Vajrayana), Shaivism, and Taoism might give you more to do with regard to manipulating or studying energy.
@@默-c1r Thank you kindly for your response. It seems to me that some Buddhists like to sort of relegate the immaterial jhanas to non-self + i think your explanation about the goal to end suffering as being the more important factor than an understanding of what these states really are or what they imply for the individual being is right + good for you. I think this is the route of those that find immaterial jhana very difficult to achieve + i would actually agree with you or those others , that the more esoteric + complete understanding of such states is not a criteria for enlightenment of one kind or another. But, i think it must also be said that this understanding or experience of the full jhanas including cessation or whatever you choose to call it ( i prefer suspension) , is naturally within + inherent in all beings. Kind of a catch 22 it might seem. But the goal to end suffering is admirable in itself + if only more would recognise this it would be great, + in + of itself if truly followed will take one to the goal. But again, conversely, one must ultimately pass through the immaterial jhana states to get to the goal. Its a merry go round , Nirvana, though it may be beyond our non physical or even the most fine psychological perception, is not beyond energy, the energy of itself, + i believe this energy is aware though it could be said to be in a potential state. It will then 'return' via a kind of reverse jhana cycle + manifest its infinite + multitudinous forms of being. I suppose Nirvana could be likened to this in-between state, a sort of before-state + after-state of manifestation or actualisation of its potentiality, a divine subjectivity if you will. But of course there is no real before or after as time itself is created from it . Round + round + round we go haha. Good luck to you in your ruminations + meditations + yes , peace + love + an end to all unnecessary suffering.
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So I've gotten to feeling my body as being HUGE. If I pay attention to my body if keeps feeling like it's continually enlarging. I've used this to radiate compassion to the entire universe. I'm not sure what the next step is though
Remember in right arupa jhanas there is still contact !!! Very important
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Is there any newest videos of bhante ?
Nothing yet- Very busy with retreats. Soon though.
in my opinion the buddists only seem to have half of the full process of the immaterial jhana states which are the personal psychological states but they never seem to deal with the energy states which are also a part + parcel of the jhana + which involve a more multidimensional sense of awareness , It also seems odd to me that when one has completed the jhanas all the way to cessation or nonbeing then what is the process of return from such a state . as one has gone beyond neither perception nor non perception , so , what is it that compells them to return ? why is none of this dealt with in the buddist jhana ? It seems to me that the biddists in their practice of the immaterial jhanas only deal with a personal salvation + not a universal salvation which is implied + implicit in the energy content of the jhanas . Why do they not deal with the energy that is implicit in jhana , as it must be obvious to most that without the energy context then jhana is more like merely mental concentration than the inclusivity of the energy that drives all psychol;ogical states as obviously energy is a part of awareness as much as awareness is a part of energy . Very unscientific of the buddists or perhaps they have lost the portion of the teachings that include the energy that is within + a part of all being
"energy" , if you want to speak scientifically, is rate and volume of movement, and that calculation includes our position, because again, this science takes into account the instrument of measure, the human being. these jhana are levels of perception of analysis of our own relationship to phenomena, down to the root of the craving at their most subtle level. you sir are trying to describe these levels of jhana as objective phenomena, and energy as objective phenomena, and science as an objective discipline, whereas the dhamma is an inquiry into our point of view in the middle of the vortex of space, time, and experience, and takes hold of the very rudder of that experience.
@@ancestralhypnosis michelange ,
interesting reply but firstly let's not pretend that science knows what energy IS, they have their approximations that deal specifically with the physical system that we currently inhabit + it is obvious that their instruments distort the qualities of energy so that it contains no awareness whatsoever , but thats not the whole kettle of fish is it + as you should know yourself. Scientists just 'see' the outside of energy + not its source , as they will gladly admit themselves.
Lord knows how you get the impression that I think that jhana is an objective event , i dont know how many times i have said on this site that in jhana there is not even personality structure let alone any ability to form thoughts or mental images + so very obviously a subjective state. It is obvious that you havnt read my posts + are just jumping like a jackrabbit at impressions that have no reality as far as my discussion is concerned + reacting to your own misinterpretations + lack of knowledge.
If you read my posts + make a more sensible comment then i may then reply but if you insist on superficialities , im sorry i cxant help.
You are energy I am energy + we are both hopefully conscious. They are one + the same but in different manifestations. ALL is from a divine subjectivity of which we are all a part.
@@man2voidvoid2man93 Just out of curiosity, what tradition are you coming from? What does it say about energy?
Also, if you actually want an answer to your question, Buddhism uses Jhanas for insight into the four noble truths with the intent to end suffering. That doesn't mean you can't observe other things. Buddhism is exclusively geared towards the ending of suffering, so other areas are deliberately ignored. Lamaism (Vajrayana), Shaivism, and Taoism might give you more to do with regard to manipulating or studying energy.
@@默-c1r
Thank you kindly for your response.
It seems to me that some Buddhists like to sort of relegate the immaterial jhanas to non-self + i think your explanation about the goal to end suffering as being the more important factor than an understanding of what these states really are or what they imply for the individual being is right + good for you.
I think this is the route of those that find immaterial jhana very difficult to achieve + i would actually agree with you or those others , that the more esoteric + complete understanding of such states is not a criteria for enlightenment of one kind or another.
But, i think it must also be said that this understanding or experience of the full jhanas including cessation or whatever you choose to call it ( i prefer suspension) , is naturally within + inherent in all beings. Kind of a catch 22 it might seem. But the goal to end suffering is admirable in itself + if only more would recognise this it would be great, + in + of itself if truly followed will take one to the goal. But again, conversely, one must ultimately pass through the immaterial jhana states to get to the goal. Its a merry go round , Nirvana, though it may be beyond our non physical or even the most fine psychological perception, is not beyond energy, the energy of itself, + i believe this energy is aware though it could be said to be in a potential state. It will then 'return' via a kind of reverse jhana cycle + manifest its infinite + multitudinous forms of being. I suppose Nirvana could be likened to this in-between state, a sort of before-state + after-state of manifestation or actualisation of its potentiality, a divine subjectivity if you will. But of course there is no real before or after as time itself is created from it . Round + round + round we go haha.
Good luck to you in your ruminations + meditations + yes , peace + love + an end to all unnecessary suffering.