This is truly helpful! I knew of the fx track scene hack but this is way over my expectations! I can use my fx track as a compressor without overthinking
Very cool! Just tested on DN2 and it works fine, so looks like they're keeping it! Can also do it with midi loopback if you don't wanna sequence externally
Can also use 0 probability tracks if you don't wanna have to lock FILL, that way you definitely won't get any trigs even if you accidentally remove and readd
Hey, can you please elaborate on that midi loop back feature you've just mentioned that you don't need to sequence externally? Can you sequence from the midi track or something like that? How to set this up. Cheers ✌️
@@partsprojectdamn- just realized that amazing bongo thing you were doing is due to 2 LFOs. Only one LFO on the Rytm! Still very useful trick- I’m sure I’ll come up with uses for this. And I have a recently acquired squarp pyramid which I’m sure would be perfect!
@@partsprojectyeah make a new one, just straight to the point. (Don’t mention unrelated things to your topic like I did this before or I talked to X and Y and it would be great if…) just lay it down and go to the point so you can get your viewers engage without the rambling, You can always type in all that on the video description. Please 🙏
Awesome. Reminds me of Halo Infinite for some reason... When it launched it didnt have co op campaign like every other Halo game has had. The devs said they couldnt get it working yet but were planning on releasing an update later. That same week of launch some bros figured out a glitch that allowed players to bring in a friend to play the campaign with. Apparently it worked perfectly too.
Thank you soooo much for reminder!🙏 Saw this trick in your video with Liam but didn't pay much attention. Just checked it with DN+SY and it solved a problem for me I was struggling to figure out: using both FX Block trigs for side-chain effect and trigless trigs with Octatrack style effects in one pattern. 💫 Also can't wait for your new jams on your channel!! Cheers!🔊
Pretty cool!! Gotta try it with my DT2 Yeah you are changing the phase of the LFO, this is a trick I use a lot aswell, very good implementation! Subbed
@@brendand9937 I've tried it with D2 and can confirm it works. And I've had reports of sending midi out to midi in successfully, but I've had issues when trying it myself.
Great, now I need this Torso, I didn’t understand why people use a external sequencer for the elektrons..ok I have to look more Videos of this Torso. Thanks
This is cool... I don't know what you're doing lol. From a noob-newer perspective I would (have) lead your video with 2:30 and then followed with the tech information. when i say "I don't know what you're doing" I don't know if the 'all your sounds' is just from the digitakt. they are, right? and the sequencer underneath there is triggering them, I presume? and then those buttons up top (the fill trigs) contain no composition/trigs only param automation stuff? that makes total sense I think that's just smart separate-of-concerns or 'division-of-labor'. On the machinedrum you can have tracks that are only automation or LFOs pointed to existing tracks, that you mute and unmute, changing the scene of parameters and not any actual trig information. with the MCL (not so much anymore but previously) you could have the machinedrum sequencer running some simple core groove stuff and do your added layering on an external sequencer (the MCL) and swap stuff around all you want on one device while not altering the underlying groove of the base sequence on the md, etc. I doubt this is a bug, just different perspectives in how people assume things should work (thereby possibly limiting their exploration instead of making no assumptions and -just- exploring)
I haven't tested this out with this method but i wonder if it works similarly to the syntakt FX trigless scenes trick where you hold your trigless trig and hit YES and it will 'audition' the trig, thus changing all the settings. I think you have to have the trig timing on INF for it to stay like that.
Hi! Great tutorial, stocked to try this! I have a couple of questions though: - having a fill trig only works on the current track, right? there is no way to apply that "performance FX" to all of the tracks? - is there a way to maintain the FX on without having to press the button? like, if i cannot apply the performance FX to all the tracks, maybe I could just add a filter trig per track and chose to activate them or not independantly?
@@csaoh42It does affect multiple tracks at once! Check the setup video I posted a few days ago. And there was a way to hold the scene without holding the button, someone pointed that out to me 3 years ago when I dropped the original walkthrough, but it either doesn't work anymore or I just can't remember exactly how. It involved the save function.. maybe someone will speak up about it!
@@chambre466 yes it should work with any external sequencer, but there was a comment about it not working with USB midi from their daw. Not sure about the details there.
@@andytuke8986 Will do! I'm just finishing a basic setup walkthrough then I'll get into into some deeper applications and creative ideas, focusing mainly on the LFO thing.
@@jmichell1880 yes it has! Recently one or two parameters don't stay locked when the machine is turned off and back on, but that's not related to the firmware. I'm still troubleshooting to find the cause.
💯💯💯 But wait...so, you showed the example of just the kick, but then busted out jamming on a whole pattern. Do *all* the tracks need to be externally sequenced for the whole pattern to be tweaked as if it's a scene...or will just one track alone (ex. The kick in this case) enable this crazy trick? If I, say, sequenced a hi-hat on an external sequencer, filled 16 hat trigs on the DT with crazy param changes, does the whole pattern get effected when you hold down one trig?? Or did you sequence all of the tracks on the torso in order to do this?
This is brilliant!! So could i sequence my digitone and or A4 from my digitakt 2 and have that functionality, or does it have to be a non elektron sequencer. Liked and subbed btw, great video!!!
Sounds have to be triggered via MIDI. That‘s all. You could use the 8 MIDI tracks on your Digitakt if you route the MIDI Out back to MIDI In. It‘s perfect if you have the Retrokits rk-002.
@@saxmink8620 yes as long as the locks are assigned to the same trig key then all the different tracks assigned to that key will activate when pressed. So, activate a track, make locks to a trig key, then activate another track and make locks to that same trig key, and so on. Now both/all tracks are activated when holding down that trig key.
You have to be in record mode for this though, right? Don't you worry about accidentally tapping one of the keys and turning the whole step off and losing all your locked parameters for that "scene"?
@Perceptes luckily it would only be the parameters for the track that's selected. But yeah I just keep temp saving so a reload would fix it. Or perhaps copy that page across all four pages so if I erase something I can just move onto the next page.
Is there a good method to making this work with a pattern that already exists with parameter locks on its triggers? E.G. I have a fully formed pattern, so right now it seems to make this work I would have to recreate every trigger on the external sequencer (DT2 sequencing Syntakt), remake all of the parameter locks with MIDI CC, and go from there?
@@jasonmckellar7750 I don't believe there is a practical way to have a trig pattern and use the scene trigs on the same machine, and I don't think patterns can be transfered over the transfer app to another machine.. but let me know if you find a solution! Stay tuned for a basic setup video in the works.
This is fantastic. I've got the midi tracks sequencing the sample tracks via loopback. Q - is there a way to use a second machine to sequence the scenes changes?
Im trying to think of a way but it’s weird to consider because it’s not like the keys in this case are just triggering a note as such. Is there a way to trigger the scenes by hitting keys on another midi controller? I find it’s way too easy to delete the steps doing it like this.
I sent this over to some TH-camrs that I am patreons of who have several hundred thousand subscribers in order to make them aware of it. Maybe they can help the cause to ensure feature safety.
Thanks for sharing - this is really cool. So am incorrect in thinking you have to use a lm external T1 sequencer or can also avail of this function using the Digitak sequencer? Would this also work on the Digitone 2?
@@impbox Hi there, i'm trying to reproduce the trick on a Digitakt2. I learned a lot trying to, but i haven't figure how to properly sequence a "normal" track via midi loopback. Any advice or link ? Edit: I managed to do it, but each tracks have to be "cloned" to a midi one right ?
so, in your example you re on track six, and with the trig 12 you cut everything out except the clap, which I supposed was triggered ext. How did you do that, to cut everything out from the track 6 in rec mode
@@chambre466 I plan to do a setup video clearing that up. I do have a longer video that explains setup but it's a bit long. Check that out in the meantime but i plan to do a shorter, more straightforward walkthrough.
Plug a MIDI cable from the Digitakt (or whatever Elektron box you are using) OUT back into it's own IN and use the internal MIDI parts to sequence the sample/drum/synth parts.
I was wandering if you just loop the midi cable back from midi out to midi in will it work if you sequence your digitakt with its own digitakt midi channels? 😄
@@RadekPilich I have another video explaining setup that's a bit long so I intend to make a shorter one. But basically as long as multiple tracks share locks on the same trig, they will all be affected. Just activate a particular track, make locks on a particular trig, then activate another track and put locks on the same trig, and so on. Stay tuned for a short setup vid but check out my older, longer one in the meantime!
@@partsproject please do! I've watched this video a few times and the previous one you mentioned but am still confused with setting everything up, particularly the information in the second half of this video. Like it seems at one point the snare is muted, pad 12 I believe or is that a function of the LFO's? Thank you for sharing this info, much appreciated
I used to do this with my Deluge as the sequencer, it's a great feature
@@EZBOT_ awesome!
How?
Thanks for sharing this! My Octatrack now hates you. 😂
@@Tptkk Your Octatrack is wise, and watches from on high an ever changing world.
When I first saw this I didn’t realise that the fill trig triggers across all tracks when pressed. Thank you for sharing!
This is truly helpful! I knew of the fx track scene hack but this is way over my expectations! I can use my fx track as a compressor without overthinking
Dope! The same affect is done with trigless tricks. You don’t have to use the fill. Sequencing externally never triggers a trigless trig.
Very cool! Just tested on DN2 and it works fine, so looks like they're keeping it! Can also do it with midi loopback if you don't wanna sequence externally
Can also use 0 probability tracks if you don't wanna have to lock FILL, that way you definitely won't get any trigs even if you accidentally remove and readd
Hey, can you please elaborate on that midi loop back feature you've just mentioned that you don't need to sequence externally? Can you sequence from the midi track or something like that? How to set this up. Cheers ✌️
@@konradsiudek8713 yes that's right, a midi track can sequence the non midi tracks if you plug a midi cable between the midi in and midi out ports
I’m going to have to study this video to figure it out later. But I wanted to say how fantastic your jams are! Really detailed and exceptional.
@@rkriviera thanks! There's an old vid going over basic setup but I'd like to make a newer one that's more to the point.
@@partsprojectdamn- just realized that amazing bongo thing you were doing is due to 2 LFOs. Only one LFO on the Rytm! Still very useful trick- I’m sure I’ll come up with uses for this. And I have a recently acquired squarp pyramid which I’m sure would be perfect!
@rkriviera you'll probably use it in new ways I haven't tried!
@@partsprojectyeah make a new one, just straight to the point. (Don’t mention unrelated things to your topic like I did this before or I talked to X and Y and it would be great if…) just lay it down and go to the point so you can get your viewers engage without the rambling, You can always type in all that on the video description. Please 🙏
@@MeAlexSenna new setup guide is up!
Awesome. Reminds me of Halo Infinite for some reason... When it launched it didnt have co op campaign like every other Halo game has had. The devs said they couldnt get it working yet but were planning on releasing an update later. That same week of launch some bros figured out a glitch that allowed players to bring in a friend to play the campaign with. Apparently it worked perfectly too.
Thank you soooo much for reminder!🙏 Saw this trick in your video with Liam but didn't pay much attention. Just checked it with DN+SY and it solved a problem for me I was struggling to figure out: using both FX Block trigs for side-chain effect and trigless trigs with Octatrack style effects in one pattern. 💫 Also can't wait for your new jams on your channel!! Cheers!🔊
@@TheNoWaves I'm glad to help in any way I can. Happy musicing!
This is sick, thank you for sharing!!
@@officialdagubah my pleasure! Glad to provide something helpful or inspirational if I can.
Holy shit, my mind has been blown, this is amazing. Thanks for sharing 🎉😮
@@johnknightrider3867 Thanks for watching. Setup guide is now uploaded~~~
Saw you play last night it was dope!
@@regimbdo heyy thanks for the uplift! I felt a good vibe :)
I doubt DT will get any updates now, other than to work with OB. I think your trick is safe. And it's a good one.
Pretty cool!! Gotta try it with my DT2
Yeah you are changing the phase of the LFO, this is a trick I use a lot aswell, very good implementation! Subbed
@@FigittyFau thank you~~~
did you get this to work on your DT2? and does it have to be sequenced externally for this to work?
@@brendand9937 I've tried it with D2 and can confirm it works. And I've had reports of sending midi out to midi in successfully, but I've had issues when trying it myself.
Incredible! Thank you!!
@@videosarchive8058 thanks for watching!
Whoa this is huge. Learning this is like getting a new firmware.
Wow that s crazy!!!!
This is dope.
Great..thanks!
This is insane
Make sure you write to and tag all Elektron affiliates and beg them to keep it as a feature rather than having them address it a glitch
Great, now I need this Torso, I didn’t understand why people use a external sequencer for the elektrons..ok I have to look more Videos of this Torso. Thanks
damn this makes me want to get an external sequencer. This is very similar to a feature i've been wanting electron to implement
Wow , its amazing 🎉, but i dont understand how its works ? I have to watch the video again , thsnks for sharing
@@marcusnachtigall There's a setup guide I uploaded yesterday check it out!
Thanks ❤@@partsproject
This is cool... I don't know what you're doing lol. From a noob-newer perspective I would (have) lead your video with 2:30 and then followed with the tech information.
when i say "I don't know what you're doing" I don't know if the 'all your sounds' is just from the digitakt. they are, right? and the sequencer underneath there is triggering them, I presume?
and then those buttons up top (the fill trigs) contain no composition/trigs only param automation stuff? that makes total sense
I think that's just smart separate-of-concerns or 'division-of-labor'. On the machinedrum you can have tracks that are only automation or LFOs pointed to existing tracks, that you mute and unmute, changing the scene of parameters and not any actual trig information.
with the MCL (not so much anymore but previously) you could have the machinedrum sequencer running some simple core groove stuff and do your added layering on an external sequencer (the MCL) and swap stuff around all you want on one device while not altering the underlying groove of the base sequence on the md, etc.
I doubt this is a bug, just different perspectives in how people assume things should work (thereby possibly limiting their exploration instead of making no assumptions and -just- exploring)
Hell yeah
@@TheoTzu you know what it is
Glad this came up in the algorithm haha
Must.Try.This.
I haven't tested this out with this method but i wonder if it works similarly to the syntakt FX trigless scenes trick where you hold your trigless trig and hit YES and it will 'audition' the trig, thus changing all the settings. I think you have to have the trig timing on INF for it to stay like that.
Hi! Great tutorial, stocked to try this!
I have a couple of questions though:
- having a fill trig only works on the current track, right? there is no way to apply that "performance FX" to all of the tracks?
- is there a way to maintain the FX on without having to press the button? like, if i cannot apply the performance FX to all the tracks, maybe I could just add a filter trig per track and chose to activate them or not independantly?
@@csaoh42It does affect multiple tracks at once! Check the setup video I posted a few days ago. And there was a way to hold the scene without holding the button, someone pointed that out to me 3 years ago when I dropped the original walkthrough, but it either doesn't work anymore or I just can't remember exactly how. It involved the save function.. maybe someone will speak up about it!
very cool. works with other external elektron machines?
@@chambre466 yes it should work with any external sequencer, but there was a comment about it not working with USB midi from their daw. Not sure about the details there.
Please can you make a video showing that LFO sync set up from scratch? I understand the principle but not quite everything is clear
@@andytuke8986 Will do! I'm just finishing a basic setup walkthrough then I'll get into into some deeper applications and creative ideas, focusing mainly on the LFO thing.
Yaaaaaaassssss! Now I’m getting one.
:) nice
I just saw this and checked out the video from 3 years ago. This is so cool! Has this worked through all the firmware versions from then til present?
@@jmichell1880 yes it has! Recently one or two parameters don't stay locked when the machine is turned off and back on, but that's not related to the firmware. I'm still troubleshooting to find the cause.
@@partsproject That's great. tempted to keep my DT1 just to keep against future firmware
my first thought was just like a pocket operator 💪
💯💯💯 But wait...so, you showed the example of just the kick, but then busted out jamming on a whole pattern. Do *all* the tracks need to be externally sequenced for the whole pattern to be tweaked as if it's a scene...or will just one track alone (ex. The kick in this case) enable this crazy trick? If I, say, sequenced a hi-hat on an external sequencer, filled 16 hat trigs on the DT with crazy param changes, does the whole pattern get effected when you hold down one trig?? Or did you sequence all of the tracks on the torso in order to do this?
This is brilliant!! So could i sequence my digitone and or A4 from my digitakt 2 and have that functionality, or does it have to be a non elektron sequencer. Liked and subbed btw, great video!!!
Sounds have to be triggered via MIDI. That‘s all. You could use the 8 MIDI tracks on your Digitakt if you route the MIDI Out back to MIDI In. It‘s perfect if you have the Retrokits rk-002.
What you're suggesting will totally work.
Nice even if I don’t understand the LFO trick perfectly. Does it work with midi loopback?
So it activates the fill trigs for all the tracks simultaneously when you hold a trig on one of the tracks?
@@saxmink8620 yes as long as the locks are assigned to the same trig key then all the different tracks assigned to that key will activate when pressed. So, activate a track, make locks to a trig key, then activate another track and make locks to that same trig key, and so on. Now both/all tracks are activated when holding down that trig key.
@@partsproject nice, maybe i'll try this sequencing my digitone with my digitakt since i dont have a dedicated sequencer
You have to be in record mode for this though, right? Don't you worry about accidentally tapping one of the keys and turning the whole step off and losing all your locked parameters for that "scene"?
@Perceptes luckily it would only be the parameters for the track that's selected. But yeah I just keep temp saving so a reload would fix it. Or perhaps copy that page across all four pages so if I erase something I can just move onto the next page.
That s really good idea. 👍🎛🎛
Is there a good method to making this work with a pattern that already exists with parameter locks on its triggers? E.G. I have a fully formed pattern, so right now it seems to make this work I would have to recreate every trigger on the external sequencer (DT2 sequencing Syntakt), remake all of the parameter locks with MIDI CC, and go from there?
@@jasonmckellar7750 I don't believe there is a practical way to have a trig pattern and use the scene trigs on the same machine, and I don't think patterns can be transfered over the transfer app to another machine.. but let me know if you find a solution! Stay tuned for a basic setup video in the works.
Whoa!
This is fantastic. I've got the midi tracks sequencing the sample tracks via loopback. Q - is there a way to use a second machine to sequence the scenes changes?
@@ukbloke28 I don't know! My guess would be no.
Im trying to think of a way but it’s weird to consider because it’s not like the keys in this case are just triggering a note as such.
Is there a way to trigger the scenes by hitting keys on another midi controller? I find it’s way too easy to delete the steps doing it like this.
This is heavy
Awesome! Does it work with DT2? Anyone tried?
I sent this over to some TH-camrs that I am patreons of who have several hundred thousand subscribers in order to make them aware of it. Maybe they can help the cause to ensure feature safety.
how are you getting effects across multiple tracks with one trig press? Like everything cutting out but the clap with reverb
I give this video like and hope you will run ads to promote your nice channel
wait, how do you change parameters of other tracks than the trig is on?
@@Zarkanhej setup walkthrough coming soon!
Thanks for sharing - this is really cool. So am incorrect in thinking you have to use a lm external T1 sequencer or can also avail of this function using the Digitak sequencer?
Would this also work on the Digitone 2?
Confirmed working on Digitone 2, don't need an external sequencer, can just use the DN2 to sequence itself via midi loopback
@@impbox Hi there, i'm trying to reproduce the trick on a Digitakt2. I learned a lot trying to, but i haven't figure how to properly sequence a "normal" track via midi loopback. Any advice or link ?
Edit: I managed to do it, but each tracks have to be "cloned" to a midi one right ?
so, in your example you re on track six, and with the trig 12 you cut everything out except the clap, which I supposed was triggered ext. How did you do that, to cut everything out from the track 6 in rec mode
@@chambre466 I plan to do a setup video clearing that up. I do have a longer video that explains setup but it's a bit long. Check that out in the meantime but i plan to do a shorter, more straightforward walkthrough.
@@partsproject of course, waiting :)
Do you have to be in record mode to utilize the functionality being discussed?
sweet
Not sure why anyone would think this is a problem 🤔
thanks for a tip
is there a way to get the same result without external sequencing?
Midi loopback I would say
Plug a MIDI cable from the Digitakt (or whatever Elektron box you are using) OUT back into it's own IN and use the internal MIDI parts to sequence the sample/drum/synth parts.
Does this work too when sequencing digitakt from another elektron device?
This is absolutely a wonderful tip btw!!
@@michele709 any sequencer! One person reported having problems sequencing with their daw over usb but that could be for a number of reasons.
@@partsproject @michele709 I've sequenced my Digitakt with Ableton Live using only a USB cable it totally worked fine.
the dawless finger!
I was wandering if you just loop the midi cable back from midi out to midi in will it work if you sequence your digitakt with its own digitakt midi channels? 😄
@@voleksandr7065It doesn't work with a standard midi cable but Retrokits made a special midi cable that works for that use.
I need this info as well...did you tested it?
@wauzi_ didn't have a chance yet. But think ill try it tomorrow and will write you back
@@voleksandr7065 nice, let us know if it works. thank you
@@wauzi_ just now saw partsproject comment about retrokits cable. I don't own one, so probably not gonna work, but still will try :(
They won‘t fix it, because Digitakt is a legacy product now.
I really wish they would make this an official "mode". The number of times ive accidentally wiped a trig by trying to "play" too fast.
how come a trig one a single track is affecting other tracks as well?
@@RadekPilich I have another video explaining setup that's a bit long so I intend to make a shorter one. But basically as long as multiple tracks share locks on the same trig, they will all be affected. Just activate a particular track, make locks on a particular trig, then activate another track and put locks on the same trig, and so on. Stay tuned for a short setup vid but check out my older, longer one in the meantime!
@partsproject oh, thanks, I've just remembered it wrongly, that's really powerful feature then
@@partsprojectso it means you can do fill routings by applying locks to some tracks and not all, nice !
WTF?
I’ve had the DT since just after launch and I’m not sure what’s going on here!
I better watch the old vid.
@@danpreston564 I made a new setup guide this week so check that out too~
like get 4 views
I don’t really get what’s happening, could you make a tutorial of how to set this up? It sounds super dope
@@sooperheep There's one already uploaded but it is a bit long. I think a shorter one would be good. Stay tuned!
@@partsproject please do! I've watched this video a few times and the previous one you mentioned but am still confused with setting everything up, particularly the information in the second half of this video. Like it seems at one point the snare is muted, pad 12 I believe or is that a function of the LFO's? Thank you for sharing this info, much appreciated