Alien Covenant - Engineer Scene (Extended Remix)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2017
- I've extended the engineer scene with additional clips from "The Crossing" prologue. (Note some shots have been altered in progression). This is where I thought David's flashback of Elizabeth Shaw should have been shown in the film. (Read Below For More Info):
FYI: This is an altered partial cut that I edited myself, and the Blu-ray does not have an extended version of "The Crossing" prologue.
(I also edited the dialogue and wind effects at the beginning of the clip, and mixed audio from the prologue when the spaceship enters the atmosphere at 1:57).
(Work In Progress). The material I've edited in this video is owned by:
© Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
Here's a link to the official version of "The Crossing" prologue. (Directed by Ridley Scott):
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I wish they would make a movie about the engineers
This movie was wasted
They can't. They're not smart enough to think up something incredibly smart without going the traditional route of 'meeting God,' even insofar as half of the original series Star Trek episodes chose this move, or something else that would feel cosmic and religious, like the devil being real. And they dare not go religious b/c that's not 'cool' in hollywood right now and some sci fi atheist nerds wouldn't like it, and those are the only nerds that hollywood elites talk to, in the forums of google in silicon valley.
Disney fucked that up for us.... along with the Predator Netflix show and a well honestly the entire Ridley Scott universe and Star Wars got deleted when Disney purchased them and now we get kids movies versions not adult scary movie badassness that brought in the money and fans so a big shout out to Disney for ruining a really big... no wait 2 really big and successful franchises but I’m more hurt about the amazing aliens vs Predator movies and lore 😣😢😭
@@rickyarmendariz896 actually it was people cried and bitched about hating Prometheus because it didn't have enough xenomorphs. Hence why we got this crap. Disney had nothing to do with it.
This entire concept was wasted because it completely disregarded the entire "vague" backstory of the original Alien.
The timeline was entirely too close. Not to mention the fact that Xenomorphs were created by humanity's creation. It's an incredibly dull story.
The sound the ship makes after exiting warp is amazing.
Though so too
this isnt star trek though
@@aboosker4656 I have no other word for it so warp suffices for FTL travel. 98 people know what I meant.
It’s like a sound effect that sickens your soul. They used the music and sound well here.
@@naughtyskywalker9292 they always do the music great in the Prometheus movies. It's one of the best in Hollywood
The cinematography, imagery and sound design in this scene is so amazingly stunning and hauntingly beautiful
Prometheus aliens to this date has the best effects of any scifi ever existing
If only it made a coherent point
The engineer: We made the perfect race you humans are failed experiment
David: No you.
*Nukes Engineer's perfect race*
David was an AI tho, not a human.
@@observingeye9579 Thanks for telling us Sherlock.
@@Pancombine18 So, you call David a human, and then when I tell you he isn't a human you act as if you knew. Seems legit.
@@observingeye9579 he didnt directly call david a human
@@thomasprovot1621 I mean, to be fair he heavily implied it tho.
I finally understand that these were not the Engineers but just one of their creations like us. That’s why they were quite primitive and welcomed what they thought were the Engineers like Gods.
Tom Oliver I agree. Based on the ship from the beginning of Prometheus. The creators are definitely much more advanced. No way David found and destroyed them so easy.
Oh dude I laughed so hard. Where the hell did that come from. Not having a good day there Meaturama?
Or could be that engineers are divided in to different kind of brances. They are soldier/warriors that are bigger and superior to normal pesant engineer race
But why do they look so similar?
@@DuBstep115 They prefer the term "Console" Engineer Race.
Killing Elizabeth storyline was a huge mistake.
Yeah,seeing this scene after 2 years i can say that planet was not the planet of the Engineer we all saw at Prometheus movie(my opinion but still) you can clearly see all of them admiring the juggernaut and rejoicing that its coming back,like how a dog expects his owner.But this time the owner was a psychopat
In my version of what's to come is that Shaw is still alive in stasis. David created a clone of Shaw using Engineer tech to use for experiments. Walter self repairs and awakens Shaw. The two of them then go after David and the Covenant.
@@artboymoy sadly we are not going to see another movie
I don't think the actor wanted to do another movie
@@dragerdet She would have signed a contract, Ridley planned on a trilogy, without a contract, actors could hold a studio to ransom for a 2nd or 3rd film. Also, nobody says no to working with Ridley Scott
Michael Fassbender's delivery is profoundly affecting when he says, "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" Well done.
Isn’t that a part of the Ozymandias poem?
@@songoten8242 it is
Hate or love this movie but you can't deny that David is such a terrifying villain
Only good bit of both of them, and still derivative. Such a waste..
David is Ash.
Not really, a great villain needs motivations, something that drives them.
Ridley succeeded in making me absolutely hate David
@@stormseeker34Not true. Thats your hate filled bias talking
I was never really that into the aliens popping out of people and killing everything, but I was so interested in the backstory, quite a shame that they didn't give us much of that.
meaturama what the fuck is your issue? jesus dude
Because people are retards and have no appreciation for deep lore in a highly expansive universe. It really is a shame.
Hans Landa chill he's right tbh
I think that response was because that is literally the basic premise of the entire storyline
@meaturama *has left the chat*
I love the little detail at the end of having David confusing Shelley's "Ozymandias" with Lord Byron's poetry. This little clue shows he's also flawed and not as superior as he thinks he is, and that's why Walter looks at him in this way.
I also caught this detail but I wasn't sure of it's significance. That does make sense though. Perhaps his arrogance and mistake are to mirror behavior of actual humans, giving credence to his argument of their "humanity".
Which is then thrown out the window shortly later when David kills Walter after being outmatched....
@@panzerkiller13 its more to show his "mental state". After all this is an AI but yet he shows sadness and remorse towards his actions, which he shouldnt but hes an early version with design flaws that were to close to human traits. Everything hes done and being there basically alone, hes losing himself in his own madness
Waltuh, put your android away Waltuh, I’m not gonna have a xenomorph invasion right now Waltuh
@@juanjoyaborja.3054 lmfao I was thinking this and knew I was gonna see this.
It’s hilarious how Davis not only attributes the poem to Lord Byron when it’s actually by Shelley (the husband of Mary Shelley who wrote Frankenstein which heavily inspired this movie), but also misunderstands the point of the poem. It’s about how tyrants prideful of their work are oft forgotten amid the sands of time and eventually their works fade into nothing. David is a footnote and will one day be forgotten, even if the Xenomorph is remembered.
It also shows that he's just as flawed as humans. He misremembered who wrote the poem, which immediately disproved his notion that he was superior to organics. He made a simple mistake.
i dont think he was calling himself the mighty, he was equating the poem to the downfall of the mighty engineers by his hand
like china virus
2:35 bro David in that shot looks more terrifying than thanos as a villain.
He is Ozymandius from Zack Snyder's Watchmen
This movie is the perfect example how to ruin a promising story started at the end of Prometheus. I could cry.
Me too, I wanted shaw and David to land on the engineer homeworld and we can learn more about them, but instead Scott caved in to the xenomorph fans (the Xenomorphs have been hogging the screen since the fucking 70’s) I hope that the next movie will feature a shit ton of Engineers or I predict they’ll be an exodus of fans.
DrCuriensapprentice THANK YOU. If only jackass RS could understand that. All these imbeciles can’t push their brain function past the level of a donkey in order to understand something besides xenomorphs. That’s why Prometheus ratings went to shit. None of them had a clue what was going on, they can only understand simple things like the repetitive/primitive/simplistic killing and horror that alien movies represent. Pisses me off
@@DrCuriensapprentice The producers of a film franchise called "Aliens", "caved" to fans of the aliens?
Alright then.
Fred Davis you do know that there’s more to a plot than the xenomorphs, you xenomorph fans have 6 films to enjoy we only have Prometheus and a minute of covenant, can’t begrudge us having more engineers
DrCuriensapprentice More to “a” plot? Sure. More to “the” plot? I mean I guess. I really enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant but many did not.
Do you know why LV426 was called such? I’m aware there is more to the plot... but the first 3 films were simple horror flicks with a little “deeper meaning” hidden behind a layer of grit. The vast majority of people going out to see a new “Alien” movie just want to see a horror film and not be asked to decipher what they just saw on an intellectual level.
Like you, I’d love to see a deeper narrative developed but to act as though people that want to see more Aliens in a movie based on a horror film that was only using sci-fi as a backdrop and which was titled “Alien” are wrong for wanting it... is just silly.
David fucking deleting all of the engineers with the black goo is a perfect comparison of Ridley Scott crashing the potential that Prometheus had into the ground lmao
They're not engineers, they're engineered.
@@husamstarxin4626 I believe that too hopefully
Why did he do that.
@@shansiddiqui4741 revenge. Probably he thought they were engineers, another possibility is that he's experimenting his altered goo.
The movie was a masterpiece.
You just killed what we all wanted to see. Way to go Ridley Scott.
They aren't engineers.
Then what are they
@@dragonknightmaster5471 Another race that the Engineers created. They don’t have architecture that resembles what we see in Prometheus, and looks more like the Roman buildings from our own ancient history. Also notice how they’re skin isn’t smooth and perfect and their eyes aren’t completely black like the Engineers?
I know, right? It's like we finally have our answer...but it's still no satisfactory.
U a little boy always want your mommy
To be honest, even losing the entire planet would probably mean very little to the engineers who likely colonized and seeded incredible amounts of worlds. When life can be so easily created, death starts to lose its significance.
It's ironic 🙃 that they are killed by humans created by engineers, humanoid robots created by humans
This franchise had so much potential
Did have
1:58 There is so much stunning design and artwork in these pictures and sounds - An outstanding and incredible key scene.
The problem with Prometheus & Covenant is that ppl were expecting a space history documentary when Ridley just wanted to portray horror movies. David is the monster.
George Lucas tried to give us a Space History Documentary and "fans" bullied some of his actors to the brink of suicide as a result. I'm not surprised Ridley has struggled to find proper footing with some aspects of these films with the backlash he's gotten in like kind.
@@DerHammerSpricht George Lucas always has been a horrible storyteller.
Just watch his personal cut of "A New Hope".
@@M0butu where can i watch that? never heard of it
Nobody understand shit about these movies, just no reason for anything and keep everyone guessing
He could've done both.. This movie had a such a promising storyline and arch from the last film but it was totally abandoned and the film was ruined. You don't have to pick one or the other. And you definitely don't abandon the plot the first film was building up to.
When one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony David. Such a powerful line.
how it shouldve been in the actual movie.. smfh
EXACTLY
Jugg3r Nog it pretty much was the same minus the useless dialog
what? the scenes with Shaw and David were not in Covenant
no, the scene with Shaw wasnt there at all
Junk Drawer
Except as a vague hologram singing: My country road
How to kill Prometheus in 4 minutes
Enzo Bertolo yeah talk to you
Yeah but prometheus was already shit
@@kamo124 it was far better than covenant, alien 3 and resurrection thou
@@CarmenGarcia-mn7gh Covenant has it's problems but I struggled just to give Prometheus a second watch and I've re-watched the alien films a butt load of times. Prometheus just fails as a film in general for me, it has almost zero entertainment value beyond some cool set designs.
@@topknot01 i think otherwise but, whatever
I'd like to think those giant engineers in the original Alien movie were the real creators.
Wut
The space jockey in alien was a engineer But They just use a actor in prometheus
@tiko1msn What I'm talking about is the engineer sculpture that HR Giger created for the engineer in Alien was massive (as I would imagine that type of creator would be). In Prometheus and in Covenant, they are just a little taller than humans with no explanation. That kind of irks you if you saw that impressive thing splashed across the movie screen in the 70s. The giant engineer and tagline "In space, no one can hear you scream," were THE main marketing gimmicks of the movie and were as iconic as the chestburster scene. The change was probably due to budget and narrative flow considerations, but I think that it would have been more impressive to go with the original vision Giger had (the guy had the nightmare thing down pat). In other words, a massive creator creates beings in his own image (the engineers), who created humans, who create AI. Then there is still that old philosophical question that the Shaws wondered, "Who created the massive creator? Without that, it is just a pale reboot and maybe one of the reasons why the movies didn't do as well as they should have. There have been huge continuity problems in the Alien Franchise. There were Hicks and Newt killed in Alien 3 and no Elizabeth Shaw in Covenant. If they had done this a little differently, both movies may have performed better. For the record, I did like Prometheus and Covenant; they were visually stunning.
I believe the original scene showing David and Elizabeth arriving at Paradise went different then what we saw in the Film when released. We still got the same footage but it was re-edited, recut and the proof is in the film. We see David in the Juggernaut passing back and forth while releasing the Cargo of the Black Goo down onto the populus, when we see down at the planets Population we can see the Engineers gathered in the center hands up Waving. Now fans have wondered why the Engineers we're gathered there when David and Shaw arrived and what was the purpose of the greeting? Well I believe this scene originally played out differently, the Engineers weren't waving Hello but instead Good bye, David and Shaw made it to the Planet and Docked with the floating Docking Station seen floating, David and Shaw go down to the surface and are greeted by some local Engineers but the Engineers are
Sh😲cked to see David and Shaw instead of a Space Jockey (The Engineer type from Prometheus)
David and Shaw are taken to the head leader (The Local Engineer we see in White) and Shaw explains why they have come. Shaw and David stay for a few days and David learns all of the ways of these Engineers just as Shaw. It's possible that at some point David either wants to leave are David is told he must leave once it's discovered that he is a living Sin, a Artificially Living Being but Shaw refuses to go with him and is told she can stay, she then decides not to go with David and this confuses David who is in love with Shaw, David tries to talk Shaw into leaving with him but she refuses, David accepts this and returns to the JUGGERNAUT to leave. As David departs all the Engineers gather in the Center to wish him good bye (this is the scene we see in the Film showing all the Engineers gathered a waving, they weren't waving Hello like we thought but instead Goodbye) but David's Jealousy gets the best of him and he feels that the Engineers have taken the only thing in his life he loved from him, he prepares the Black Goo Cargo for release onto the locals and does so. (We see this in the Film as the Engineers become confused from happy to scared and flee in terror only to have the Goo to wipe them out) Many ask why the planet had no defense against the Juggernaught but it did, the floating Dock powers on and fires a Blast into the Juggernaught causing it to crash into the ground and this is where the crew from Covenant find the ship with Shaw's Dog Tags. David may have locked Elizabeth inside a room near the Garden to keep her safe from what he is about to do, when he returns to her and releases her she is shocked and overwelm with sadness at what David has done all while he smiles oblivious to what she's feeling. Now we can debate what happens next but I am sure Elizabeth was killed and David did his experiments on her the same as what we see from the film. I also believe that the Juggernaught Docking station may have sent out a Distress Call to the other Engineers to let them know something bad has happen, a call back to the original Alien Film, this would set up the 3rd Film. The Engineers on the Paradise Planet were the only living Humanoid beings on the entire planet and we're record keepers, that planet had no technology other then that which was stored there (Docking Station and the deleted Juggernaught 3 Ship Fleet scene).
@@AudioAndroid this makes sense, I like it
This is one of the most interesting scenes um the movie.. perfectly done.. when David perfectly recites what he always tought was Byron.. the eyes of the android imediatly understood he was wrong... David humanity represented in full... The power to fail.
I was always confused by Davids disdain for humanity. He acts as if he is superior to mankind and yet he clearly cherishes many artistic achievements by them. In the case of this scene the writings of Lord Byron. I don't understand why he is so quick to destroy and kill other people in favor of creating Xenomorphs. An organism that while arguably perfect in terms of its biological adaptability is totally incapable of any form of self expression like humans and more than likely the engineers. He is essentially making something with the potential to destroy all other lifeforms that possess the ability to create one of the few things his character seems to value.
Not true, Xenomorphs are good at crochet.
scumdrops lol yeah I suppose
Wouldn’t you be disappointed or even hateful at your creators when all they created you to be was a tool or slave ? Everyone talked down to him and treated him like shit . I think the xenomorphs was his form of revenge against his creators . Also it’s been known that this version of David was flawed as Weyland yutani had to create newer versions without being too human .
I can understand his anger towards Weyland but humanity as whole? not so much. He clearly has a deep appreciation of Art that is all man-made and admits that he grew to love Shaw. And yes I understand that he is a unique android but he seems too intelligent to not notice the hypocrisy of his actions.
Drake Brunette you fail to understand that he is also insane . Walter noticed that David attributed the ozymandias quote to Byron instead of Shelly . This showed that he was flawed and was just as fallible as humans , even though he considered himself superior . Like Walter said , the David android models were made too human , and with it came all the flaws and evil things that being human entails .
They seriously need to release another cut. All the great material is there, just need to rearrange the pieces to get the prequel this universe deserves. Every second of the prologue is pure awesomeness.
Someone needs to pick this up as a franchise and do a great job with it.
Ridley Scott helped kill a possible sequel, I believe. Neill Blomkamp was developing it based on his own idea. His then latest movie, Chappie, was abysmal and Scott torpedoed the project, as well, when Alien Covenant failed at the box office.
NO MORE 99 LIKES FOR YOU BROTHER...I GOT YA
but not disney
Because that's what the audience wants...interesting new places, but then kill off all the beings there...then just another rank and file Alien xenomorph movie...so much potential lost...
It's a good Alien movie ;)
@Qimodis I'm only 74...leave me alone...you young roughian
@@Zuriki_ no
Blame the fans for bitching about Prometheus for no having enough xenomorphs and "not being an alien movie"
@@Zuriki_ Alien Movies suck major asssss...it's the SAME DAMN THING every single time!!!
This should of been the intro to the film. As in the prologue video.
Yeah! They made a boo boo!
Or replacing the prologue with that deleted scene would be a better idea.
should HAVE
SHOULD HAVE! SHOULD HAVE!!!!!!!!
jack mills NAH DUHH
Too bad these prequels were ruined by the cliche stupid scientists vs scary monster plot-line should have focused more on the engineers and the backstory
It requires a brain to watch a movie like that, sadly those without one are the majority and want a monster movie so bad
"should have focused more on the engineers and the backstory"
How the hell does that sound like demanding a monster movie?
This is a sequel dumbass
You guys still would have bitch.. how haven't you seen that yet..
Jose lopez you are my god now for say this line
that ships entrance into the planets atmosphere is incredible
This is what happen when you create a thing with feelings.
Opening shot is a reference to Arnold Bocklin's famous painting "The Isle of the Dead", which (trivia) was Hitler's favorite painting.
I knew I had already seen that view somewhere! Amazing
Well TIL, very interesting thanks
One of his favorite artists.
Oh wow that's really well done thanks for the little factoid
The man did have great taste.
I wish Ridley would focus more on this story arc. Its so interesting how the underlying foundation of the story is drawing a parallel between creationism and science fiction, almost taboo in a sense.
Aliens creating seed for humanity is not creationism
AvatP5 that’s basically just technology
Artvr Rvtra in both Prometheus and alien covenant there are two religious characters who question their faith. Ridley has even eluded to the fact, in an interview, that perhaps the engineer emissary sent to earth was Jesus, and we all know what happened to him. So the engineers wanted to wipe earth out for recompense. Look at David, he has a god complex. He embodies it to spite humans because he knows full well of the nature of his own existence.
Watch Raised by wolves
The story of the engineers is soft disclosure.
1:58 i cannot explain why but the arrival gave me goosebumps. i wonder if extraterrestrial brings or anything from the cosmos enter that way. crazy to think about.
they are INTER-DIMENSIONAL beings and yes they can enter our dimension like this....those in the know - get their inspiration from somewhere....
the original alien....
long head / two rows of teeth / six fingers / larger than a human / destructive berserker killer....
MATCH this description with the NEPHILIM in the bible/book of enoch/other texts....
I subscribed because I'm enjoying your insights to this movie franchise... I bought a picturebook for Alien from a drugstore in 1979 and been hooked ever since 👍
I love how this scene visually references the Isle of Death.
Böcklin's Isle of the Dead. Most like the 3rd version, I'd say.
A lot of symbolism in this movie. That pathogen being deployed from the spaceship looked like a DNA structure. Also David is challenging a goliath which are the engineers in their game of superiority.
Athena
3:51 the moment of realization
Thanos: With the snap of my fingers I can turn you into dust
David: hold my beer
I had so much high hopes when Prometheus ended. I have waited for 5 fucking years and got nothing. This movie made me so angry.
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Yep. It was utter dogshit.
Sir Ridley Scott's greatest polished turd. It's too bad his galaxy-sized ego was his own undoing. He'd made some excellent films in the past, but he'll be remembered for making this shabby tragedy.
Probably Disney's acquisition of Fox had to do something with this shitty outcome same as Dark Phoenix.
This movie was great
@@Theroadneverending It's a decent movie on it's own but not after putting it in context as a sequel to Prometheus. The chance to explore a new story and species and we just get another xenomorph blood bath movie. Such a hollywood move to revert to recipes that have been done before.
Imagine calling Weyland tech support about this Android..."ye it appears to have developed a God complex, wiped out an entire civilization, and made a bunch of zenomorphs, that use humans as larvae incubators" "I see..I have you tried turning it off and back on again?" 🤭
Highly underrated film. I get all of the critiques- I even agree with most of them. But taken for what this movie is, it’s really pretty good. It’s fun, visually striking, well acted, and gives us more of android Fassbender, which I’ll never turn down
2:53 MIEEERDAAA!!
JAJAJA
xD
The visuals in the film are amazing.
Some of these scenes have i never seen. Thank you!
David tried to "put back together" Shaw, instead he created the alien. This must be his memorial to her, so she lives forever.
I was expecting a dialogue from the engineers and dr.shaw sigh you never fail to disappoint me Hollywood
Like Prometheus, Covenant has scenes that should have been in the final film. When the Director's Cut comes out in a few years' time it will likely include the scene with Shaw, at the same point in the film as does your video.
Citizen Justin Too bad that won't save the movie's reputation, just like the Engineer scene in Prometheus. Whoever is editing these movies should be replaced.
its not the editor, its the director who decides what goes in and what goes out. and sometimes its the studio executives demanding certain parts be removed.
most likely the studio who have had a controlling hand in this sadly
well mostly it's the studios.
Am from the future, still waiting :'(
I like the way Walter lowers his eyes as he realises there is something horribly wrong with David after he misattributes Ozymandias to Byron and not Shelly. It's easily overlooked - as not many people are familiar with the authors - so is mentioned later when Walter confronts David.
2:46 shape of DNA!
Very nice work. My compliments.
2:22
“I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away”
It doesn’t matter how big and strong you kingdom is. Time eventually will make the everything disappear.
I love how Walter often looks at David like “wtf is your problem dude?” ...was so sad that he died.
Walter probably alive
we never saw he die
@@jordanbl4270 I truly hope so.
2:27 ENGINEER GAMING MOMENT
The full poem is called Ozymandias by Persy Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
So it would seem David not only misquoted Byron, but used the quote in a context antithetical to the original poem's meaning. Interesting,
This poem also displays the view that the British had back then for older and pagan cultures of antiquity. Go read up how they described the Assyrians and Byzantines.
Ozymandias is a vulgarized version of Ramses the Great!
And the wife of Percy Shelley was Mary Shelley, who wrote that famous horror book "Frankenstein: A Modern Prometheus". So, we have a few Dr. Frankenstein's in this tale. Weyland made David. The Engineers made Xenos in their lab (fetching bodies from Earth as raw material) and we haven't seen the Dr. Frankenstein who made the Engineers (also from abducted humans). Did any of you pick up on the Frankenstein reference in Prometheus. It was rather blatant, but most people seem to ignore any plot hints that didn't come out of Shaw's mouth... even though the dialogue also told us she was more driven by belief than evidence, and was 'so, so wrong'.
Perfect.
You don't need to separate suspension points
they arent engineers. they were a creation like us. we were the failure and they were the success, which also answers shaws question from covenant, 'why do you hate us'?. they praised 'the gods', and when david came, he sent a message to them by destroying one of their greatest works, successful life. he's 'Spiting the gods' in this way, because he thinks he can be better than them. like he says in the beginning to weyland, 'why must i serve you if you can die and i cannot'? he probably also beleives he can be superior to the engineers and has a god complex. there's also the old saying' to create, one must first destroy.
Kaze's Corner the day we create AI, thats the first question they could made, and we won't have an answer for, why should they serve....
@cristhian B
thats some deep stuff. have u played the talos principle? should def try it if u r into gaming. a puzzle game but with a lot of deep thinking.
Ridley calls them engineers, therefore, they are engineers.
o WaKanda z They are not. The scripts been leaked. Search for it on TH-cam. They are not engenieers Ridley is just not trying to spoil it for you.
Kaze's Corner they were engineers genius. He hates them and humans. That's why he kills them. It's not because of some deep philosophical reason. Engineers weren't god's.
It's interesting that canisters drop in a form of a double helix, and I just noticed it
This is way more spine chilling story line than a humans getting hunted saga 😏
I am absolutely fascinated by the character David.From his very 1st scene with Whelan.
This was supposed to be what Alien Covenant was about, not how the coronavirus spreads over the world.
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Genius
@@meekoris More like idiotic. The latest coronavirus is nothing to be seriously concerned about. It's also not a biological weapon, or more accurately, it's quite the shitty one, if it were used for that. Even in this scene, the weapon doesn't spread over the world. The joke is just bad in so many ways.
@Ash Reading's not your strongest subject, huh? Why did you tell me that?
@@genericusername8337 I wonder with all that's happened in the past 2 weeks in countries like Italy, if you still feel the same way. It is something to be seriously concerned about.
We're not all in quarantine for giggles, and governments aren't letting the economy collapse for fun, you realize that, right?
I love this scene!
One of the things that's always bothered me about Prometheus and Alien Covenant is this through-line. Where it feels like Ridley Scott wants to seem clever or profound. Which...isn't a bad motivation. He's a creative. By all means create.
The problem is - Alien thrives on not knowing much about it. Same with the Space Jockeys.
The extreme mystery surrounding what it is isn't a sideshow. But the main show. Filling in those blanks, even with the best of intentions, greatly harms the qualities of the original, much more than other franchises (like Star Wars and the Prequals, for example). In this instance, Ridley Scott isn't being creative, but destructive. He's taking a blowtorch to his own work.
always such the deep thinker eh womble
Fancy happening upon a Womble comment while watching random stuff. Funny enough, this burning the creation by shedding too much light into the creation seems to happen often. Sort of what's happening to Blizzard's IPs. Got here by following that bread crumb trail to rabbit hole.
Well that isn’t so much a problem from his perspective. It is the story played over and over again in the mind. The opportunity to finally let the story be free from his brain is a gift. Sod people’s feelings of enjoying the mystery. Was not a mystery to the knower. To get a story out is such a relief that not everyone will understand.
Oh My God ;)
Cynade will be joining momentarily
I've never seen this movie. I knew as I saw the trailer it wasn't for me. The end of Prometheus promised such existential questions that obviously were never really delivered in this typical Alien movie. This movie had such potential. But as soon as I saw it was a run of the mill Aliens movie, then that killed any desire to see it for me.
David: "I liked Elizabeth Shaw......but I decided to use her for parts."
Actually she was dead anyway. 2 things could have happened: first she died in some way due to the black goo or maybe an accident. The second thing could be that she was dying anyway and that David tried to save her. The main point is that he never meant to kill her and if he did kill her, he probably gave her a merciful or painless death compared to what she was going to experience.
from david's point of view she was dead the minute she was born, david has no undertanding of death that would be similar to ours, he sees death as human's flaw, being death meaningless to him he transformed elizabeth into a womb for the perfect creatures that he engineered, it was an act of love, david doesn't consider murder a crime (since he doesn't comprehend death like we do) the only crime he sees is in meaningless death (because he sees it as a waste) by transforming her he feels like she will be eternal thru the fruit of her womb.
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1:59 easily one of the best soundfx i've ever heard holy
i always thought these were engineers, thanks to the comments saying they were creations like us, that makes much more sense. thanks
Thank you for this. Up until now I've been doing a lot of speculating on how things played out between David and Elizabeth at the end of Prometheus and into Alien Covenant. Also, after watching - again - David's heinous act toward the inhabitants of the remote planet, I noticed how the inhabitants died almost instantly whereas the humans took far longer to react after being infected, relatively speaking. I wonder if this was just bad judgment on the writers part or if there is meaning to it. Perhaps the contamination process of something pure processes quicker than that of the impure.
Stupid sequel. The entire movie should be about the engineers.
It's good movies, and bad sequel.
Let’s not forget that payload was meant for us. They would’ve destroyed their own creation just because they weren’t happy with the result. Doom billions for the mistakes of a few. David did us a favor, humanity answers in kind. I say good job, burn them all.
this is amazing
I wanted to see them go to the planet after leaving and actually speak to some of the engineers but nah lets just skip dat.
Allen Rice fuck you
@Allen Rice Given his profile picture, he's probably mocking Trump and not supporting him, just saying.
Eric Cartman 1:08 he literally calls them our creators
@Allen Rice I was going to sit this election out. But because you have TDS I will be voting for Trump. I want you to know it's all thanks to your TDS that you earned him another vote. God Bless your president.
@@maybeitsyou1317 LOL! This comment didn’t age well. A lot of good your vote did. Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in American history. What’s sad is that you’ve fallen for some of the oldest political tricks in the book and they’ve been used by politicians for centuries to fool the masses. If you still support Trump after four years of scandals and lies, you simply cannot grasp what it means to be a true American. You’re weak minded, politically illiterate, have no discernible individuality and support far-right authoritarianism. The founding fathers would be disgusted. By they say, in the 90’s Trump said that if he ever ran for office he’d run as a Republican because “They’ll believe anything.”
You’ve been had and you don’t even know it. He played you so bad and it would be hilarious if it weren’t for the damage Trump and sycophants like you have caused to this nation. Enjoy Trump’s last 19 days.
This movie is supposed to be the pinnacle of science fiction. But sweet Ridley decided to give into a small vocal minority of people which weren't even fans to begin with and completely ruined the whole franchise for actual fans and newcomers as well.
What do you mean exactly? What did those people say?
Amen!! Ridley dropped some "Black Goo" on The Alien Franchise he helped to build that's for sure!! "DESPAIR" by the way cuz rumor is Ridley's eyeing Blade Runner 3 😫!!
I don’t know where this idea that this was supposed to be the “pinnacle of sci fi” and there is a quote from Ridley himself about Bladerunner 2 where he himself criticises the movie for being “too f***ing long” and dragging out a 90 minute movie to 120+ mi utes
rat muis They said they wanted more xenomorphs.
Marcus Wright - The old "this isn't for REAL FANS" argument is so played out.
Everyone: show us more of the engineers
David: kills them all
I never noticed but that first shot is based on a famous painting called the "Isle of the Dead". Pretty cool.
Poetic and Ironic. The Creators creation's creation is destroying the Creators .
I love at the beginning , the opening shot looks exactly like Swiss Symbolist artist Arnold Böcklins painting "Isle of the Dead". Its truly amazing seeing old and new meet in the middle!
When you think about it, David is the truly superior species of the franchise. He can't be infected by xenomorphs or by the black gue, he doesn't need oxygen, is impervious to cosmic radiation, has vastly superior strength and is functionally immortal if he has a power source. Even the engineers, despite their massive physical strengh and intelligence, will still age and die, can still be infected, need food and oxygen, etc.
The true lesson of this franchise is that synthetic inorganic life forms will make all organic life obsolete.
.. but then why in almost every alien movie someone is sewing David's head back to body?
@@moofymoo Can a living organism even stay alive after having it's head chopped off like David? I rest my case: he is the ultimate species, far superior to any biological species.
Well that's the whole plot in the video game Mass Effect. It's the great never ending war between biological life & synthetic robotics. The arguement is that those are pretty much the only 2 forms of life out there in the universe. Both trying to constantly kill the other.
Finally that prelude is nicely inplace with the rest of the movie, as it should have been.
3:30 “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Found the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away.”
To those who understand this movie/Prometheus, and this quote from Ozymandias- you have to admit how fucking genius they are.
These movies, Prometheus and Covenant, are fantastic. Covenant may be bad, but special important scenes such as this one make you appreciate Prometheus so much more. However I still appreciate it, because the true story of these movies (and the third when it comes out); the lesson to be learned from the context of David’s insanity and extreme belief in universal, hierarchal society, demonstrated by his outlook on Engineers, Humans, Androids, and then the Xenomorphs- is extremely valuable.
That longing for freedom, and fear of the unknown, are as primitive as our desires to live comfortably and reproduce. And in a world where Man, created by Engineer, creates the Android. Man uses the Android to help themselves understand the Engineer, the God figure, only for the Engineer to try to kill man, and the Android to kill the Engineer- and finally assume the new role of God in creating the final stage, the perfect life form, the Xenomorph, was not coincidental. It was Destiny. That the longing for freedom in a growing world, and the fear of the unknown which is created by that, will destroy any and all of society.
The small little details in Prometheus, as far back as simply when he wanders the ship alone, and his reactions to the other characters’ moral codes and agendas, and the look of reacquired determination in his eyes when people call him a robot, hint at his own agenda so incredibly well. Ridley Scott also made these movies visually stunning, down to every little detail, and gave them haunting soundtracks to perfect the sci fi horror feel that the Alien franchise created in the first place.
Then there are the awesome performances, mainly out of Michael Fassbender (I found it to be incredible), Noomi Rapace, Logan Marshall Green, Katherine Waterson, Charlize Theron, and Idris Elba.
Finally, I know it’s not that important, but the game Alien: Isolation is built off of this too- proven in a mission that is utterly haunting (seriously play that game its one of the best horror games ever imo). I believe these two movies and that game to be the true Alien canon.
I used to dislike them, but after giving them a rewatch, I can’t comprehend hating these movies. I mean, Michael Fassbender literally has a role as a good robot and an evil robot. Wtf 😂😂😂😂
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
What is this
I love the touch of adding the plague doctor mask to the engineers suits.
David is the most scariest character I’ve seen in a movie since Michael Myers
I believe those weren’t engineers but they were also on the target list which is why they had their coordinates.
It will be great to have the engineers versus the yautja as a clash of two civilzations but at the end having the same ancestor as a scenario !!
Thats some Graphene foreshadowing.
This movie is so deep and presents so many questions...
There's a perverted irony in the fact that the Engineers wanted to destroy earth with a bio-engineered pathogen, yet these beings (I'm guessing cousins of the Engineers - they look similar enough to them) are destroyed by a bio-engineered human. Weyland is the real villain here. If it wasn't for his desire to live forever none of this would've happened.
When you think about this film it can be quite deep. Either that or I'm too high for this shit
Is Weyland the villain? Davids remark about out-living his creator seems to also be a factor in everything that happened.
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They’re the children of the engineers, not biological just, the creations of them. They were made in the image of their Gods and they had no need for the failed experiments on earth bc they found perfection.
Only, they worship death the same as they worship life. They welcome both, expect they don’t respect anomalies which what we are. Hence their whole civil war thing. Some wanted to kill us, some didn’t and eventually someone released the pathogen on their war base to stop operations.
David isn't a bioengineered human, he is an AI robot. Replicants from Blade Runner are bioengineered humans, synths/androids from Alien are robots.
Im drunk as fuck and watched full this movie. So many questions. I love movies with lot of back stories, mythology and all
I dont like this film, but even i must admit that this scene was breathtaking in a twisted way
Masterpiece!
The garden at the beginning is a homage to the Arnold Bocklin painting "Island of the Dead" or "Der Toteninsel", which was also referred to by H.R. Giger in one of his paintings.
Both Prometheus and Covenant are brilliant. I just wish they'd go longer....so deep....
No please no both have bad script and stupid story. And the magical black goo who can do anything for no reason
@@jean5416 you're saying that because you're Ripley fanboy:) you'll catch up...
@@DenisUspeshny yes i love ripley :)
But they are so many stupid details on prometheus.
During all the movie I was like wtf ???
When the storm come and everybody become to return to the ship , when you can stay into the dome .
The captain who ask where are mil burn and fifield when you have and 3d map with location :)
The med pod only calibrate for men ^^
Remove penis and vagina , body men women are the same ^^
For covenant , I refuse to talk about this movie ^^
David created alien species !!!!!!
Baby alien who grow up in front of us , in maybe 45 secondes , he eat nothing and he grow up ?????
No no no
Both movie a trash .
@@jean5416 movies must be like this, ppl always have the problem with scientist in some alien movie being dumbasses but if they were really professional and followed the protocol etc then the movie would end in 15 minutes, also why do you have such problem with the black goo? i mean its like if you said that some acids are magical because they can melt your face off, the goo did not kill the aliens in any magical way either, so what is your point?
The time when we gonna get all of our answers he screwed up all
Sounds about white to me😁.
Good job David, well done !!! 👍 s
This wasn’t too far from my expectations .
I was expecting that when Shaw and David got to the engineer homeworld. They would have found the planet deserted. littered with fossilized xenomorph and engineer corpses in an H.R. Giger style landscape.
I like the Ozymandias quote
People don't seem to like this movie. Personally, I really liked it. I thought the music and the atmosphere was on point, in particular when they were exploring the planet. I also liked the fear that set in with some of the crew members getting sick and no one knows what is going on.
I liked it too, and Fassbender's performance was incredible. Just wish we could have seen more of the Engineers and Shaw!
Love that shaw was put into the deleted scenes, her charecter was fantastic!
Omg love Shaw!! Wish that they kept her character alive!! She was so strong and passionate! Wish she got to be with Daniels in the film to defeat the xenomorph