Are Gravel Bikes just 90’s Mountain Bikes?
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- “Gravel Bikes are just 90’s MTB’s”…But are they Really?
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who sends the cease and desist first? the bike company or the band
2 months later and I'm still frustrated by how dishonest your 'test' was.
Bike design peaked in 1993 because I could ride with a pack of Marlboro Reds and a case of ZIma and no one would judge me.
People would judge you because of the Zima.
😂😂😂
But is 90s Zima the same as White claws today??😮
Amen brother 😂
Facts
Dustin, just a tip: here in brazil we “shorten” the 29 inner tubes to fit a 26 wheel by squeezing the tube inside itself before inflating. The hustle is real down south
I just put some 24in tubes on 26in wheels no issues. Learned trick on alfredo mancuso channel video at epic bmx
FWIW those are 'V Brakes" not cantilevers. Some people think they are much better than cantis. Next vintage ride you should try some old school cantilevers. (maybe with some fresh tires) :-)
+1, and those are not through-axles either (did they even exist in the 20th Century?).
V brakes, yes they are. One thing for certain, not many riders felt the necessity to, ink their bodies.
Was just about to write the same thing
technically, they are cantilevers, just direct pull cantilevers :)
I found an all-original 90's Specialized Hardrock in a second hand bike store in their junk section for 80 usd. It looked like it was used as an everyday city bike. It had all the original stock parts on it including the s-works triple stock cranks. Felt soo good that no one spotted it.
1990's steel mountain bikes were the peak of cycling production ever. Best bang for buck, and utitlity, they will never be outdone.
YES! I'm the proud owner of a 1999 Raleigh M30 rigid that I've owned since new. I just had it overhauled, and I'm enjoying it once more... 😁
My 1995 Cannondale F700 was one of the best bikes I've ever had. So light and quick and looked incredibly cool for the times. It's a miracle for those Coda chainrings still have teeth on them. Not sure who compared bikes from that era to what we have now in the gravel category but I'm sure they never rode one of these, they were good bikes but I don't ever need to ride one again. The future is now and nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
This is a perfect summary! Thank you for your insights CD.
I still have my 98 f900!
I saw this video and immediately thought of you. Love you CD, love you DK.
I bought an F700 last year and completely with rebuilt with 1x and 700c wheels into a commuter for my son. He absolutely loves it. I had a blast riding it around some before giving it to him. It is absolutely awesome for that job but I wouldn't trade my new gravel bike for one.
Not cantilevers, V- brakes, linear pull I believe.
ShimanoParallelogramm XT M 737 to be specific
@@franzgustavgauner5601 they were the disc brakes of the day
came here to say this lol
Technically V-brakes are a type of cantilever, its just a cantilever with the most leverage.
@@helgarivers6281 unfortunately the mechanism wears out over time but I still love them
80s/90s MTBing was a totally different flavor. It was about rad fun. They were very popular and even fashionable- even the show Friends and Seinfeld had a mtb in the background in their perspective apartments. Bikes of this period were designed to be maneuverable and bmx- like. These bikes were not designed to ride long stretches of gravel or man-made bike parks. It was all about riding trails and the terrain and challenges that normal type trails presented, or urban obstacles such jumping curbs and riding stairs. It was almost designed to to be a not-so-serious bike; the roadies were the hard core people. Many people of the time even thought front suspension took away from the bikes. MTB suspension was almost a novelty. Not saying this period of bikes is better, just that the sport currently has a different flavor and has gotten more extreme.
Wishing you a speedy recovery Michael Frye and that you get back riding that Cannondale!!!!!!
For sure the mtb world has changed. I remember in the 90s we didnt have bike specific trails with jumps, drops, skinnys, rock gardens, all the modern "features" where Im from we rode muddy quad trails, skidoo trails, hunting trails, heck we made our own just by riding through the woods with no trail at all. It was good fun. Mountain biking today, to me, just sucks. Too BMX/skater like full of adrenaline junkies in bike parks.
Honestly the frames look very similar, you could get 80% of the way to a gravel bike by installing drop bars, a shorter, slacker stem and a modern groupset. And tires made in this decade.
Wishing you all the best, Michael.
I have a similar old MTB. Short, tall, quick quick handling. I have ridden it enough to get used to it, and I really enjoy it.
V brakes work well, and are soooo much easier to adjust than cantis.
That Cannondale was on my 'dream bike' list back in the day. Vee brakes, especially the XT level stuff with Shimanos Parallel Push mechanism, had really amazing stopping power. I'd say the higher end Vee brakes (XT, XTR) offered just as much, if not more stopping power than many of the earlier disc brakes.
my avid v brakes, with the really powerful cool stop pads, actually stop faster than my sram rival discs, but the discs feel better and lock up less
I have the same set up. It will put you over the handlebars if you are not careful.@@artemisxo6734
I suggest a future video of Mike riding that bike when he's all done with treatment!
Great video. Brings back memories of my CAD3 mountain and cyclocross bike. At the time great rides and raced them often. I believe my forever bike is going to be my Co-motion Klatch. Lets hope that Mike will be back on the bike soon!
I had a green 97 Cannondale F500 with 60 mm headshok, CODA components. Beautiful welds on the US made frame. Shock was super bouncy on hot days, stiff on cold days. I loved that bike, would do XC trails. Moved to Vancouver, and almost died “riding” the North Shore trails. Became my commuter for a while. It was light and fast in its day, and I was way younger too. This video brought me back. Thanks!
Some race king tires, a rigid fork and a wider bar that bike could be a lot more fun.
A 90’s rigid MTB with an updated drivetrain and maybe try to squeeze some 27.5’s in there? There are options to raise the rim brake pads to fit the bigger wheels.
I’m in favor of keeping the 26”s as there’s an infinite amount of wheel sets to be had on the 2nd hand market.
I have a nearly 3.25 tire on my current Rockhopper from 1995.
My 2000 Gunnar Rockhound made a great gravel bike. I was always comfortable on it and my pace on it was similar to the Cutthroat I enjoy now. Great content as always!
50 miles and 5k on that bike sounds like a rough day. Weight wise it's pretty darn light for what it is but I also wonder why the ride is so inefficient (I also have a 90s hard tail hanging in the garage).
The one thing I'm going to disagree with you on is the top tube length. Those things were made to stretch you out and I don't think modern gravel top tubes are longer than those on a 90s MTB. I think a restomod with modern components would be interesting to compare to a modern gravel bike (in this case maybe a 1x conversion and a new cockpit are all that's needed).
likely the bike would be way more efficient if you changed out the tires. those old knobbies aren't doing you any favors, I'd go with René Herse slicks, they still make 26" tires. as Dustin said the suspension is also killing your efficiency on the uphill, and offers little benefit for most gravel rides, unless you're doing something really gnarly
Since everyone is hammering the v brakes, I thought I’d mention that the bb drop is pretty high on older mountain bikes and likely attributes to some of the instability. Mad props for riding as is for so far.
I didnt actually measure this. But it sure felt like a high BB. Good call
The phrase "gravel bike" always makes me giggle. Even funnier to see "gravel specific" bib shorts, gloves or bike bags lol. Watching this video was also humorous after riding an 89 Hardrock as my daily for months now. It's also been my go to camping rig lately. I love the wide tires and the 26" diameter is perfect for my look-for-anything-to-use-as-a-jump riding style. I'm running Big Apple 2.35's and I'm still not getting passed by anyone on the road.
I believe that lmao
Hope you have a fast recovery Mike! Nice ride and comparison
Love it. This is the wholesome content we need!
I still ride a 1999 Stumpjumper. I rode it on every surface til I got a single speed road bike for around town. I don't plan to get rid of it anytime soon.
Those brakes work good cause they aren't the old canti's . Side pull gives more stopping power.
Yes. And that’s why gravel is great. Getting a topstone with a lefty made me start to enjoy cycling again.
All my Gary Fisher bikes have short stems and long top tubes. It's almost like they knew what they were doing kinda.
Yes! I have a wonderful 90' MTB with new modern wheels, crankset, saddle, fork, handlebar, cassette and derailleur, and it's a perfect modern steel gravel bike! (Modern stuff are carbon...).
Best part: "It's not as good as you would think!" Hahahahahaha! Mental note, don't mix coffee and rootbeer. 👍
ALL THIS YES!!! LOL
Great vid as usual Dustin.
Such an cool amazing bike.
Get well to the guy who owns that beauty.❤️💪💪💪🏁
Passed you opposite on a downhill during this ride. Did not recognize the bike at all but here it is, thanks for sharing as always!
Awesome video ...I still ride my 1995 Brodie "Expresso" ... love my bike
Stay strong Michael wishing you well from the UK.
80s MTBs are where it's at. The 90s got infiltrated by racing and roadies, and funky technology (headshock).
Truth ✊
I'd say 1990 was a peak year, right before suspension took over.
And remember that the original Marin County gang were roadies before they started the Repack races.
Don't forget the friction shifters!
The Cannondale F2000 that I had ( actually still do have ) will lock out the fork if you spin the dial. That one probably needs some service :)
You are very very very very very very very entertaining dude and I had to subscribe! I mean come on, great is good.
Banger. Love this episode and who doesn’t love a cool 90’s MTB.
The fact that you are riding the 90's bike kinda wins the forever bike argument but we'll see where that canyon is in 30 years, maybe it will be around and sought after.
Love you 'riding the ride, without him having to ride the ride' - Much love for what you did for him - and for us 🥰
Absolutely!!
Speedy recover mike!
You are a awesome man Dustin! You do so much for the community keep being wicked! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
PLAYER!
Another awesome video. I had this exact model and you should be able to lock it out by twisting the black cap. Your totally right anyone that says they are the same hasn’t ridden both.
This wasn’t an apples to apples comparison so it’s flawed.
Now if you restomod the cdale with 1x and more modern components, you’d be very hard pressed to still have that same opinion.
That’s the argument being had in the current circles. No one is arguing a 90s MTB complete with OG parts is the same as a gravel bike.
Great episode.
I hope Mike heals. ❤
The roads look amazing where are all the potholes Thanks for another great video Are they still called videos
I have a 2004 F600. The last version of this bike. Prefect condition with a fully functional fatty added hydraulic disks (came with the mounts). My 2020 Checkpoint blows it out of the water. Still take it on fun rides, but it is SCARY on descents. Also had one of these in the 90s and it was awesome at the time.
Designed on computers 😂😂 truly cutting edge
I own a Diverge EVO which is about as close to this as it gets (flat bar, a “shock” in head tube etc) but it SO different to ride. The 90s mtb would fit inside the bike from today.
All my bikes except my fat bike are from the late 1990's. Some are single speed and some are winter bikes with studded tires.
First off the brakes are V-brakes, my fav. Second, It could be upgraded to a 1X transmission. Thirdly, quit raggin on 26" wheels, there is not that much difference to 650B. As far as a forever bike, I still ride a 1987 Bianchi Ocelot (upgraded on parts), 36 years old and goin strong like a teenager! Lets see you ride a 36 year old carbon frame....Haha!
Riding the same. 1 by , big cassette, and BMX bars. Gtg.
Nitro Dad, get well soon. Your baby was in good hands with Dustin, and he did a proper ride and review. I have 90s to 20s bikes in the garage and love them all, for different reasons. Ride on!
Love the aero triangle hands position
I love weird bike builds with old frames, cranks etc. 700c is a non negotiable for me though. And as long as you get your seat height correct and the seat to handlebar drop similar as a modern bike your body will be in an about equally aero position, which is the main contributor to CDA. The 1990s stems are a no-go too though.
You are the rider of bikes that this world needs. Also... 90's Cannondale with uni-fork-shock-thingy??? Glad we've come further in bike tech. It was for a good cause. Hope your friend pulls thru.
Lotta good 26in tires now. Gravelkings, Rene Herse, Ultradynamico, and Sim Works. It would ride so good with newer better rubber.
Exactly, don’t judge a bike by its tires if they should have been worn out and replaced before now
Continental makes some GREAT 26" tires! Their Contact series tires have something for everyone.
Favorite part of the vid was WINSTON! When are you going to do a review on him? Oh, the 90's MTBs, need a more road friendly tire and dunno about the front shock thingy as most bikes in those days were ridged. Glad to see you made it through the whole ride without fixing a flat.
The way its configure now, it will not be a good gravel bike. But couple of tweaks like ditching the fork, stem, cranks, flat bar, update the drivetrain. Replace the wheelset with 700c and you will get something closer to a gravel bike. I did it. And with the changes cost less than a new bike. Gravel riding has been hijacked by mfg's trying to sell their goods. What did you use before the mfg's starting spitting out these so called gravel bikes?
Or by a used gravel bike and spend less 🤣🤣🤣
Nice piece!
If the bike was geared appropriately, drop bars added and some gravel friendly tires like Maxxis DTH you'll have a fairly capable gravel bike, but I understand circumstance did not allow such things. A nice chromoly rigid fork or lockout would be nice too. Not racey, but capable. I did recently convert my '97 Bontrager Privateer from gravel/allroad bike back to MTB mode just for grins #26stilltwitchin. My '85 Miyata 610 sport touring bike will retake gravel/road duty after I apply paint. Old bikes definitely have a place in my heart.
Now, find a rigid singlespeed 29er from 1898 and try that out :)
'S'all been done.
Man i hated the gripshift on my f900. Swapped mine out for quickfire after like two rides. Also, you should be able to lockout the head shock with the dial on the top of the headtube. i loved the headshock.
These cantilever brakes work great! (Shows V brakes). The upgrade from cantilever to V breaks was as profound as the upgrade from V to disc. They're pretty good. Just gotta be sure the levers match the brakes.
Sending good vibes to Mike! If you see this, you got this buddy!
Great Video ! Please more !
Interesting video. I've got a 1999 Cannondale F2000(upgraded to disc brakes and 1x11 drivetrain) and a 2022 Specialized Diverge E5 as my most used bikes. I think they ride fairly similar on light terrain. If the terrain gets rougher, the F2000 has a slight advantage over the Diverge. Therefore, the position is a bit more relaxed, and it's more comfortable on long rides.
If I compare the speed of my tours, they are very similar.
In my experience, they aren't the same, but close enough that you only need both to meet the n+1 requirements for cyclists.
An F2000, with disc brakes? Sounds close to perfect to me.
I'm on a Slate just now, and it's a blast.
Cheers
I became really sad when you called them cantilever brakes.
Also that headshok had almost no air in it.
Crappy test, Dustin.
Stay encouraged, Mike!! We're pulling for you!!
@Dustin...good on you for doing this video, Sir! ✌🏿
A bit of an unfair comparison though. Take a 90's/2000's MTB converted to drop bars (or alt bars), modern 26" tires, and/or possibly 650b....THEN do a the comparison. Not saying the mtb would 'win', but I think the outcome would be pleasingly different.
Put 26 year old tires on the Canyon and don't rebuild the shock (if It had one) and see how you fare. PS V-brakes have the same stopping power as modern disks.
thats not right, even a cheap 160mm mechanical discbrake is far superiour compared to every V-brake.
I just came here for the Winston cameo ❤ oh, and to ask what tires are those on the Canyon 😎 and to say that that Cannondale MTB looks (sh)rad! 🤘🏽
Man, that’s rocking V-Brakes man and XT no less!!! Way above cantis back then 😎😎
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Go Mike. With you all the way.
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Sick old cannondale! I have a 99 f400. I love it. But I don’t take it on any adventures because it just feels weird. Lol
v brakes. That Cann is very pretty. We used to call them Can-o ales in the shop because of the alum. Those tires are awesome they look original. I hope the bikes father is doing well.
Turned my mid 90s Bontrager TiLite into a modern gravel bike and it's a dream -- rides better than my full carbon gravel bike and climbs faster than my Moots. Perfect geometry and craftsmanship, just needed some updates to components.
I think you meant 25 years, not 15 years. V-brakes, not cantilever. It would have been interesting to see the Canyon against Cannondale’s XS cyclocross bike (in the same color) around the same period (if I recall 1998?). Ridden both back in the day. I think your conclusions might be similar though. Fun seeing the past with the future!
ummm, those are V-brakes, not cantilever
I have some canti brakes on my 90s MTB and they really grab. I dare to say they grip better than some disk brake bikes I have in my stable.
The last 15 years? Dude we’re in 2023! I’m only bitter because I turn 30 next month - and I don’t want to 😅
I love a Cannondale, but my 2001 Stumpjumper Pro is basically the same platform as the beautiful bike you rode in the vid….but the Manitou Mars fork has a true lockout….its a rocket
I still won’t ride mountain gearing on my road bikes….the two shall not mix
4:41 on audio we hear "cannondale" but we have a image of canyon bike! Nice ! :)
canyondale
2000's mtb's are gravel bikes. 29er, disc brakes, 69 degree headtube angles.
I hope Michael Frey is ok and enjoying his Cannondale. Nice bicycle!
My friend's coffee shop has a coffee root beer drink on the menu :D
The "Nitro" chorus effect was a nice touch.
Winston! ❤
Yes.
What are the tires on your purple cannon dale? I see the link to Pierellis I don’t think this are the ones.
But it looks coool. Run it as a single speed with some balloony slicks and a shorter stem and its probably 10x more fun.
My forever bike is a 1992 Cannondale mountain bike. When I decided to get back into riding heavily, I bought newer stuff because I didn’t want to minimize the risk of destroying my beloved bike.
Hmmm but would you ride a modern day grovel bike on Slick Rock loop or Downieville or Toad's? I used to ride my 90s hard tail on that level of trail, and many others I'd never want to ride on modern grovel (or my old 90s Litespeed still in the basement for that matter). Of course modern tech is the way to go, but if you look at the basics of the old mtbs they are closer to what the gravel bike is than what a modern mtb is. Odd that the reach felt short, most bikes back then if sized correctly made you feel stretched out and riding position was a dropped front end for better climbing. Quick release seat posts were great to drop the seat out of the way on long descents.
LOL! This was a BLAST from my past.
I flippin love that bike dude
Good luck Michael, gnarrrrr bike
As someone who bought their first “serious” bikes in the ‘90s I’m just now coming back to this after a multi-decade absence.
I always knew my MTB wasn’t great on pavement, yet “just fine” everywhere else. From what I understand, gravel bike riders seek out gravel but have to contend with mostly pavement.
All of which begs the question: Why not instead compare gravel bikes to roadies capable of running 28mm or wider tires?? Is it because unless they have dental floss for tread they aren’t “really” road bikes?
‘90s Bridgestone owner. So that’s my bias.
Dang seems pretty light. My trek 4500 hard tail (which I still ride...) comes in at 33lbs lol
I like my 29er MTB and Gravelbike but at home I feel on my 26er MTB with rigid fork.
I‘m riding a 28“ Trek Multitrack 7600 from 1995 with a gravel bar and it feels closely like a real gravel bike. The geometry however is more like a modern cross bike. It‘s not too comfortable, but more on the racy side. Outstanding build quality. Gonna upgrade it to XT 3x9 components with a 10-by cassette and Ultegra 3x10 shifters. Still cheaper than a new Gravel Bike!
Those are V brakes. They will put you over the handlebars if you're not careful. Don't worry about stopping power. And there was no "Through" axel. Greasing the chain and changing the tyres might have made your ride a little more enjoyable. Nice bike.
Pure gold‼️ You gotta restore a 90’s MTB so we can watch you cuss it the entire vid. 🤣 they have a cult following you know.
Love your vid style Dustin but must say there v brakes not cantilevers those xt v brakes had lots of power with little modulation cantilevers had way more modulation and required real skill to set up and they needed a lot of adjustment as the pads wore down there your mind is blown . ✌👏