What Happened to the Old Scottish Flag?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2020
- Seeing as I looked at the Medieval English flag last week, I thought I'd take a look at the flags being used to the north in Scotland, the famous blue and white saltire and the Rampant Lion Royal Banner used by the kings and queens of Scotland for centuries.
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Two points of order to make. At one point I describe engus Mac Fergusa as a Scots king but he is better described as a Pictish king because this is before the creation of the Kingdom of Scots. Secondly when referring to the Jacobite Risings and the Battle of Culloden, the risings started in 1745 but the battle was in 1746.
I want what happened to the old Portuguese flag
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is too much to ask if you do a video about Bahrain?
Definitely do the Draig Goch! Roman cavalry standard, red/white earthquake dragons and of course Harri (VII) Tudor.
Saltire of Scotland is a gift to Scottish school kids; white cross, blue background. So much easier than drawing and colouring in a dragon like we do here in Wales🏴😆
The cross of St David flag has become more common in Wales. I would love to see in incorporated into the union flag just to kill the racist "ain't no black on the union jack" slogan.
Great video, as usual.
Last time I was this early, it was still called Pictland
F in the chat for the Pictish language.
@@historywithhilbert146 F
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History With Hilbert true, true, I have no idea how to say Pictland in Pictish. But I would assume that the Anglo-Saxons would have called it something very similar to that. So, someone would have called it that
Aye I remember those days
I am a Scotsman and I was always taught that the Lion Rampant was the Scottish Royal Banner (pre Union of Crowns 1607) and the Saltire (St Andrew’s Cross) was the flag of the people
King Idi Amin?
This video confuses the designs on flags with heraldic devices. The most important difference between the two is that an undifferenced heraldic device can only be used by the person to which it refers, whereas non-heraldic designs can be used by any number of people.
England: Dude, you can't use the lion banner, I'm using the lion banner.
Scotland: There's no law against me using it too.
England: Okay, then I get to have three lions. I win!
Scotland: Sorry, what were we talking about again?
England: Six lions! I've got six lions, plus that french symbol. And it's a quadrant!
Scotland: Aight...
Except that the English has three leopards on their banner :P
69th like.... niiiiice.
They are leopards... funny how English people dont even know their own flags, eh?... lol
@@gwaptiva leopards are lions in heraldry though. It's a leo pard. A lion with a beard. Not sure when the word got transferred to what we think of as leopards now.
@@eldricgrubbidge6465 Touche, sir
The Nova Scotian flag is a combination of each 🏴
i fucking love flags, i live next door to scotland and i never realised that in all my days. very interesting!
Based.
Hello fellow bluenoser
@@mowvu5380 how could you not realise that 😭 it’s called Nova Scotia, New Scotland 🏴
@@YusuphYT hold on i was on about the flag not the name haha. the flag i never noticed was so scottish.
I enjoyed it. The connection with France was a thing I was expecting lol.
Something about great minds thinking alike ;) Glad you enjoyed it!
@@historywithhilbert146 mooi gemaakt man
@@damianow.6114 G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Culloden was actually fought in 1746
16th April and on a field it was never meant but forced ….many many myths surround that battle and some are indeed either 19th cent inventions and or propaganda …
Oh and Culloden is in the north Cùil Lodair or for the battle Blàr Chùil Lodair
You missed out the legend of the white saltire appearing in sky after King Angus prayed before his battle with the Northumbrians.
www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-two-flags-of-Scotland/
I like the flying dragon at the battle of the standard in this video but I can't find any reference to it or depiction of it. Can you find anything to back this up?
@MTF Commander Scotland was Christian long before that. The oldest known site of a Christian church is in Whithorn in Scotland. It was founded by St Ninian in the late 4th century. The Picts were already building churches in the 6th century and the Gaels of Dal Riada were pretty active in the West. It was them who Christianised the Northumbrian Angles.
@MTF Commander Well, that may be what you heard but it's quite illogical.
Malcolm III? You could say he's the true Malcolm in the Middle...Ages
I've always been a fan of any "King Malcolm"s. I just find it has a certain ring to it, you know? :D
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You watch a lot of History and Geography videos my friend i see you all over the place
Could people please stop calling the Saltire "Scotland's new flag". It is the oldest flag still currently in use in the whole world having first popped up in 832AD.
lion rampant is way better than the saltire
Interesting, it is also the flag of Russia.
Hasn’t Denmark’s been around since 700s when it fell out the sky or something like that? btw not biased as I am a scot.
Denmark’s flag is the oldest continually used flag in the world. Not Scotland.
I don't believe in religion, therefore reject ANYTHING that's associated with saints, that's what YOU cow tow to, not me, and not pagan Scots. The Lion Rampant stands proud above any other flag thank you.
I thought Eleanor of Provence was married to King Henry III of England. King Alexander III OF Scotland married their daughter , Margaret.
Correct. I said the same in my comment...
The Rampant Lion comes from King William “The Lion” , William I of Scotland. Who was crowned King of Scots in 1165, 24 years before Richard “The Lionheart” was crowned King of England.
0:10 this picture is beautiful
unity is a farce when its under westminster's boot.
William, King of Scots (1165--1214) was known as "William the Lion".
This is the most obvious connection in my opinion
William the Lion ruled Scotland from 1165 to 1214, his standard was the red lion on the yellow background, and he reigned before Richard 1 took the throne of England, surely the Lion rampant comes from him
Interesting video. The 'Rampant Lion' is still in use today. You will find it on the 'Scottish Sovereign Standard'. To clear up any confusion.
The UK has 2 Sovereign Standards. One, is flown when the monarch travels in England, Wales & Northern Ireland. The second, is only flown in Scotland. The main difference are the lions. These standards date back to 1606. When the only monarch to have 2 coronations King James the Sixth of Scotland, became, King James the first of England. Part of the deal was that he kept his own standard in Scotland. As he knew that the Scottish people would never accept the English one. He was after all a 'wily scot'. This king James had the conference to create 'The King James Holy Bible', and introduced 'The book of common prayer'. Although the latter was a tad more difficult to introduce to Scottish worshippers. Especially in the tradition Kirks at the time. He was also the king that Guy Fawkes tried to kill.
One hopes that, that has cleared up any queries.
I love this channel so much and have learnt alot from this especially medieval and biking history and you do a great job!
In Scotland we have the two best flags in the world. And together they are stirring and actually beautiful!!!
Very interesting! I agree with your theory as to why the fleur-de-lis were added to the Rampant Lion flag. Flags in general are interesting to me.
Love your videos keep the great work up!
I really appreciate how professional your videos are man! Props to you! I just wanted to say that I'd love to see a little more on ireland, and the celtic side of things. But I'll watch literally anything you put out.
Me too!! 🙋♀️🏴🇨🇦
I really love watching your interesting videos!
Always educational. Bloody marvellous. I'm waiting for my tartan passport... (any tartan on the cover for 20 Scottish Pounds extra.).
Thank You so much for the video. I, of course subscribed to this channel. I’m about 90% Scottish and very proud of it. My research was limited to the books that were available to me in my youth. I’ve learned so much more here on TH-cam.
Thanks again
to stretch the long dutch legs! same! my half frisian legs needed regular stretching driving a circuit around ireland. 2 meters doesn’t fit all too well in a little buggy. brilliant video as always!
I see you've noticed the Bardcore trend taking off. Finally a fad worth pursuing.
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Love this - great video. Thank you
GOSH!!! I've been waiting for this video since forever!!!
Very cool video! I really enjoyed it.
He mentions his long Dutch legs when talking about driving to Scotland and stopping in Otterburn.
A very subtle hint that the Dutch are, on average, the tallest people in the world.
Thats one way to keep your head over water
Lol I lived in Holland and one time someone went 'oh you are so small" it has stuck with me, it effected me! Ha ! I'm 5'8 !! X
No better timing I just so happened to be wondering why all day
Love that medieval fortunate son
Seichte 🤪
Long Dutch Legs, as if it were a documented and legislated issue.
Watch me get a lawsuit for not enough leg room on public transport.
@Basil II The Netherlands is the tallest average country, so ya I don't doubt he has long legs.
Tallest nation on Earth the Netherlands.
@Basil II they have to evolve strong legs, usually 3/4 m to stay over the water before the invention of the dam.
@Basil II That's a tribe (or whatever), not a nation.
I liked the bit about the dragon banner , I'd love to hear or see more on that
Great video m8 really enjoyed it.
Really enjoyed the video, could you do one for Ireland? I understand there isn't so much of a simple chronology, but there were many different flags used to represent Ireland nonetheless. I'd be really interested to hear the history behind some of them, thanks.
Correct!
On the subject of the Saltire, as you may know (or possibly may not wish to admit) many highlanders were sold into slavery by the British state, many of them sent to the colonies in the Caribbean. This is where the flag of Jamaica has it's origins and why it too is a saltire. It's also why so many there have highland surnames.
Echt een leuke video ! Schotland heeft me altijd al geïnteresseerd!!!
It's the Lion Rampant, not the Rampant Lion. It's the royal standard for the Scottish monarchy. The saltire has been Scotland's flag since as early as the tenth century.
Excellent video
Hilbert as a fellow proud Northumbrian could you possible make some content on flags and banners that we know of used by the old kingdom of Northumbria and maybe the other Anglo-Saxon-Danish Kingdoms? Or perhaps the banners carried by Northumbrian families such as the Percys, Fenwicks or Hazleriggs into battle?
In the Delaware Valley of PA where the Scots-Irish first amassed in America, there's a town just over the Susquehanna called Red Lion. Apparently someone hearkened back a bit. And the next town over is Brogue.
Pass nearby the battle site at Otterburn on the way down to visit the in law's in Darlington. It's not Consett you live by any chance? It's the first decent size town we pass thereafter.
Love these vids
Well done!
Thanks Jeff!
Nice video, Hilbert!! BTW are you related to the late Dutch Poet?
I loved this report and explanation ,,
Hey Hilbert please may you turn the music down just slightly. Would sound abit better :)
hilbert flags are interesting but please also make videos about conflicts and conquests i really love those topics.
and yeah video like were viking really mean that is one of my favourites.
I really enjoyed this video and it got me think would it be possible to do a video about burgundy ? They were French People who ruled over the Netherlands and used a Red St. Andrew's cross
The saltire is supposedly adopted to honour Burgundy's Scottish troops. One of Burgundy's clerks documented it but years later so it's questioned. Good link!
@@johnbinnie5697 Thanks I really been intrigued with History of the Neatherlands you could say I'm a bit a weeb for them
Do the banners of different Irish high kings as well
That sounds like a great video idea, I’d love to see that.
amazing video
Thank you!
The yellow saltire on a blue field is understood to be the flag of Mercia and the Midlands. It's interesting that the Scots once used the same flag.
[Great discussion in the comments]
We love to see it
@@historywithhilbert146 I disagree
Out of interest, what makes the letter suggesting to James VI/I that he put the saltire in front of the St George cross "hilarious"? Is there something else in the letter, or are you simply meaning that they thought he should put Scotland "first"? (I'd view the latter as interesting, and also quite possibly futile, but I'm not sure I'd describe it as 'hilarious' particularly in the context of the time.)
Nice touch with the medieval Fortunate Son cover.
Kind a looks like a combination of those flags made the Nova Scotia flag
Yes, it would have been a good footnote at the end of the video to show the history of Nova Scotia’s flag
I'm waiting for him to mention that, I guess he won't then lol
That is the case, the lion rampant flag is just a banner version of the arms of scotland, and the arms of scotland were adopted as the arms of nova scotia, so that why that’s there, and the saltire section of ns flag is just the saltire of scotland with reverses colours to make it distinct
F D Thank you for this info, many people in NS are proud of their provincial flag, and I always wondered what the lion rampant one was that I sometimes saw as well, and figured that they must be of an historical “royal “ flag
@on-board the crazy train aye, spot on. Nova Scotia is Latin for New Scotland
Not gonna lie even as an Englishman the saltire over the cross version of the Union flag looks better
I thought it looked fantastic, Shame it was dropped.
And as an Englishman, I disagree. The Cross of St.George looks better upfront.
@@callumw1597 As a toaster, I agree
@@callumw1597 As a Scotsman, I concur. Now, I must go and give myself 40 lashes.
I'd guess the Saltire will be dropped from the union flag if Scotland gain Independence again within a few years time.
Cool video, but as others have already mentioned in the comment section the lion in the royal banner of Scotland likely originated from the personal banner of king William 'the Lion' of Scotland (r. 1165 - 1214), which displayed a red lion rampant with a forked tail on a yellow background. His nickname 'the Lion' was given to him after his death, though.
Interestingly, the design of a red lion rampant with a forked tail and a blue tongue and blue claws on a yellow field was also the banner of the counts of Holland, an area that nowadays roughly makes up the provinces of North and South Holland in the Netherlands (This is the area in the Netherlands where the city of Amsterdam lies). The reason for the similarities between the Scottish and the Hollandish lionbanners is the fact that in 1162 count Floris III of Holland married Ada of Huntingdon, sister of king William 'the Lion' of Scotland. From him, Floris adopted the lion rampant and the name William. Floris and Ada named their son William in honor of the Scottish king. He would later become count William I of Holland and the name stuck as there would be six counts William in total. The reason the current king of the Netherlands, William-Alexander, is called William may have more to do with the name of his ancestor William the Silent, prince of Orange.
After the county of Holland passed to the house of Avesnes and later to the house of Wittelsbach, the Hollandish/Scottish lion slowly disapeared to the background of the count's banner before the county was incorporated in the mass of lands of the Burgundian dukes and later fell into the hands of the Habsburgs. However, the design is still used today as the official flag of the Dutch province of South Holland in the Netherlands.
Can you please do a video on the Basque Flag?
At Hampden the Lion Rampants were the protestants when the stadiums flags switched to all/mostly Saltires was when the protestants stopped going and the 'tartan army' took over.
Could you do a video on the flags of Hungary? So much interesting history yet it's not often talked about!
In outlaw king, the lion rampant the lions itself is removed from flags and cloaks when Edward I longshanks is at Stirling . when Robert's rebellion kicks in you see the lion a lot. Thought that was a cool detail in the film
Hey, usually a big fan of your videos but there are a few mistakes in here.
I don't think that Alexander III was married to Eleanor of Provence. Wasn't she married to and English king?
Also, the seal that you show with the Lion Rampant is that of Alexander II, not Alexander I. The chronology gets a bit confusing confusing because of this as you mention Malcolm III (1058-1093) then Alexander (1214-1249) then the battle of the Standard in 1138.
That's Eleanor of Aquitaine
@@naveenk6603 Looked it up - different person but still nothing to do with Alexander III
"Eleanor of Provence (c. 1223 - 24/25 June 1291[1]) was a French noblewoman who became Queen consort of England as the wife of King Henry III from 1236 until his death in 1272. She served as regent of England during the absence of her spouse in 1253.[2]"
The Lion Rampant without the double tressure was the standard of King William I the Lion. He was the longest reigning king of Scotland alone (1165 - 1249). This is the most probable origin of the Lion Rampant used by Scottish Kings. William used it as the Lion Rampant had been used as a badge by many kings of his royal house (and as you said is associated with Malcom III Canmore, he even used it as a badge for Irish nobles allied with him).
I have memories as a young child, around 1980, of the lion rampant being more common, especially during the annual Scotland vs England football match. Perhaps something to do with nationalism being less popular in those days?
Alexander III was married to the daughter of Eleanor of Provence's (& Henry III of England's) daughter Margaret, sister of Edward I (Longshanks), grandniece of Richard the Lionheart...
The Saltire is St Andrew’s Cross on a Sky Blue background. It is the national flag of Scotland, still.
The Lion Rampant is the personal flag of the King of Scotland and as such belongs to the King of the United Kingdom since 1603 when James VI of Scotland became James I &VI of England and Scotland, so the Lion Rampant Standard exists as an entity and has done since first adopted. It is adapted into the personal standard of the UK, along with the 3 reposed lions standard of the King of England and the harp standard of the King of Ireland.
It is seldom displayed as a stand alone standard but my guess is that it would rightly be displayed when and if the Monarch is acting in matters pertaining only to Scotland?
Imagine if they used the unicorn.
Nothing happened to it. It isn't the "Old" Scottish Flag, it the Scottish Royal Standard - the monarch's personal flag, still in use today.
Well this actually answered a question I had in my mind! But even if it didn't it was worth it just for Medieval Fortunate Son!
did you know that there is a scottish flag that has a UNICORN!!! on it!!!!!!!
Loved it.
Thank you!
Loving the Mozart at the start.
You can make a new show just about flags, maybe call it something catchy like... hmm... Fun with Flags!
Very guid!
would be nice to see a vid on the Flemish and Walloon flag, also the coat of arms of Brabant (duchy) and Belgium
At the time of Richard the Lionhart in England, and before and after, there was a king William the Lion (1142 - 4 December 1214),
On a sailing visit to Scotland we visited the chandlery in the first port on the east coast and could only purchase a lion rampant courtesy flag.
There is an issue with the Saltire used as a courtesy flag as it is almost identical to code flag M. “I have a doctor on board”
Does anyone knows where the surname barlow comes from ? And what does it mean ?
About the gold/red lion shield(wapen).
(I know you talk about the flag)
The 'graven van Holland' used the same picture of the red lion on gold.
Graaf Dirk VII started to use this (also on his coins) and he lived from 11..-1203.
Why is this important?
Dirk VII was the son of Ada of Scotland, daughter of Henry Earl of Huntingdon, granddaughter of King David I of Scotland.
So .... if the shield was already in use by earlier family in Holland (before 1203 by Dirk VII), the scottish flag must have been much older than 1222.
I read in the past Floris III (1140-1190), husband of Ada of Scotland, started to use red 'lion on gold', but I can't find it back 😅 . They married 1162.
The lion Rampant is the Monarchs personal flag, the St. Andrews' flag is the banner or flag of the people of Scotland.
Might be wrong, but i thought William 'the lion' was called 'the lion' because he introduced the rampant lion flag
Idk why but the irn bru at 0:20 made me burst our laughing xD
The Lion Rampant was instituted by William the Lion (Alexander I's nephew) replacing the boar standard which had until then been the Royal insignia. The Saltire was introduced as a national flag in the 9th Century, making it one of the oldest flags in the world.
finland's coat of arms have similar kind of lion with same colors but in opposite.., found out that also Norway and Bulgary share the same posture lion and colors in some form..
Isn't the yellow saltire on a blue field, the Kingdom of Mercia?
8:34 as a Yorkshire man I like the flag on the right 👌
Can you do a video on hanoverian flags?
Ooooooh oooh! Do one about The Faery Flag!
Have you ever dug a hole for a post or a fence? It would need to be a deep hole to hold a person strait up. So a strait cross as we believe would really be impractical.
4:37 Not necessarily true. The earliest record I could find of Saint Andrew's X shaped cross is from Saint Gregory of Tours in the 500s.
The saltire is a great flag. Other than the 2 I can't think of many other Scottish flags.
I've saw the saltire with a black background, I read a political group used it but not sure if it was them that invented it or it was used elsewhere.
Does anyone know of any other flags associated with Scotland? Or any information on the saltire with black background?
Other similar ones I know of that have links are Nova Scotia and Ulster Scots flag.
The various shades used are interesting as well as you dont see that too often with flags, there is generally a colour scheme and it doesn't shift much but you see variations on the Scottish flag from dark blue, light blue and sky blue. I prefer the light blue and the sky blue is pretty smart too.
In Crusader Kings PC game, when you play as Scotland you start out as the old flag and I always wonder why they didn't have the cross of St George.
King William, known as William the Lion reigned 1165 - 1214, may be where the rampant lion came from. Just an idea.
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Where can i read the letter complaining about the first union flag? I'm tempted to read it
Couldn’t you find the bagpipes version of Eine Kleine Nachtmusik?😉
05:45 Ugh, that Braveheart look, blue paint was used centuries before this period and kilts were worn centuries later.
the plaid was worn at the time...
There is a trdition that the double tressure (the lily border in the Scots royal banner) was added by King Eochaid IV(?) to commemorate his alliance with Charlemagne. It's hardly authentic history, of course; but it does attest that in older times the tressure was believed to mark the Auld Alliance of France and Scotand.
Thank you