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I'm so happy you incorporate some acoustic players to your series or picking science! It's a diffrent game with those and so it's beneficial to all players who are not only into purely electric guitars. Thank you Troy!
I had the pleasure of seeing Olli perform in Nanaimo at the International Guitar Night show recently and he was an absolute pleasure to watch. Amusingly enough I was thinking "Man, this guy can play anything" and sure enough, he shows up here!
I taught myself to alternate pick most anything. But lots of things never sounded “right”. So I taught myself sweep picking and adding legato to my skills. Now I can play phrases the way they sound best- which is more important than picking every note.
Oli’s work in his Gypsy Jazz band The Rhythm Future Quartet has been an absolute favorite of mine for years now! A brilliant player and monster alternate picker!
What I would be truly courious about is what it looks like "under the magnet" when looking at the incredible speed of galloping rhythms that some players are able to achieve. Sure it's not alternate solo picking galore like so many other videos here, but it's still an interesting part of playing. I know you had Brendon Small on the show and it was again a great video, it's just there are people capable of much higher rhythm gallop speeds than he is. Because if you think about it, it's an alternating rhythm that skips the 4th note. So the trick is to either get the pick out of the way there or use the downupdown-updownup repetition variant. Which causes a bit of a mushy, uncontrolled sound. The downupdownpause-downupdown-pause constant repetition makes every triplet far mor accentuated due to the downward picking power which also stops the string momentarily before re-enganging again, giving a far better definition. I'm pretty sure many a different player has their way of handling that. Would be nice to see that some time on the show :)
En fait, le jeu des DEUX guitaristes est étonnant ! Qui se complètent parfaitement dans l’interprétation de ce morceau ! Il faut remercier l'inlassable curiosité de Troy Grady et sa passion non moins intacte de nous faire découvrir les mille et une façons de jouer de la guitare avec brio, comme en témoignent dans ce nouvel épisode Olli Soikkeli et Cesar Garabini ! Bravo aux... trois !
Absolutely! He’s also got his own tuning -C-G-D-A-E-G- which said forced him out of cliches He’s also got a whole picking system based on tension and release, though finer details escape me
I was just about to post the same. I started watching Troy months ago because I've been searching high and low for Fripp's technique. Apparently, he uses something more like Andy Wood's cross picking banjo method. How awesome would it be to see Robert's right hand in slow motion performing the nearly "impossible" Fracture? And Robert is a total gentleman. I bet he'd make an appearance. He's heading to upstate NY this Fall for a Crafty Guitar weekend. (If quarantine has been diminished by then.) Perhaps Troy and Robert could meet. :-)
I have picking technique like Olli. I cannot play anywhere near as fast as him, but I am fairly satisfied with the speed I can play. I developed the picking style intuitively from learning beginner bluegrass tunes. Especially when using a metronome. The music and the tempo force you to select most efficient technique. I think this is the clear root of Olli's development himself, that he was learning challenging fast music. Music that also incorporates "swing feel".
The moment you become discouraged by other guitarists is the moment you defeat yourself from enjoying the guitar! There will always be amazing guitarists that approach the instrument differently than other guitar players, just enjoy what you've learned and keep being open to your own growth! Just learn/create your own special voice for your own playing and you'll do fine!
Did anyone notice the way Olli was moving his foot while playing (right in the beginning of the video)?? It's like the guy wants everything to get as complex as possible. Anyway, nice to see some Choro on Cracking the Code. Very cool, very helpful content, as usual.
This is very different from "don't practice at a tempo you can't control because you will only memorize your mistakes". Your insight about serving the tennis ball etc. is so true. So, would a revision be: attempt to play your piece at speed and analyze what is going wrong, THEN bring it up to speed with the corrected technique?
It might be good to list Cesar Garabini's name in the title (or at least in the description) as well. I was about to ask who is the second player with the thumbpick until I got to 4 minutes in when you mention his name, but I think it'd be nice to list it too in the title or description as he's a fantastic player too, as is Olli.
This is really helpful. Every once in a while I wonder if I should abandon alternate picking and switch to economy picking. As someone who has some time sunk into alternate picking, I get discouraged when great players (often jazz or gypsy jazz players) in particular, say you NEED to use economy picking technique to play fast clean jazz lines. Turns out maybe you don't need any particular technique to play fast and clean.
Hi Troy Grady , after 27 years of guitar playing i did not crack the code yet :) .. Picking when it needs to be fast is difficult for me ..I am now focusing myself trying to develop this domain where i am not gifted .. I ve watch some videos of your channel , your work is gold Thank you ...I wonder why you did not do the same for rhythm guitar , because it 's on fast rhythm guitar that i have the biggest problems , like if gravity is working against me ... Hope you will develop the subject !!!!!
This is the most incredible, full of details and conclusive video on guitar technique I have ever watched. Basically, we are all built differently and adapt to the perimeters of our individual motor systems.
Troy! You gotta get John Browne on your show! There is an abundance of alt picking content, but we need some coverage of the best down-picker in the world.
Up slanting is pushing up away from the guitar or pulling down towards the guitar, Down slanting is pushing down towards the guitar or pulling up away from the guitar?
Really cool to hear music from my country here on this channel! Also, Troy should check out some brazillian choro bandolim players like Danilo Brito, he has an insane alternate picking technique.
Troy - do you know if Oli started as a gypsy picker? He seems to have mastered this approach but it almost looks like what he is doing here is modified GJ picking sometimes, where he’s added wrist motion into the mix to add flexibility.
Stylistically, Olli plays a lot of Gypsy jazz and has played with players you probably know in that style, like Joscho Stephan. However his technique is fundamentally different. The Gypsy players all use upstroke escape as the default motion and they do it with the flexed wrist form we're all familiar with. This is the motion that will rest stroke if you go far past the string you're playing, because it's a single escape motion. Olli's technique is double escape and he can't really turn it off, even when he plays Gypsy lines musically. This much is clear in slow motion. So it's not just a modified Gypsy technique, it's a completely different motion altogether. What's cool is that he can get a lot of that sound just from pick attack and the vocabulary, but he's not really doing it the way they are.
Troy Grady thanks again for the in depth reply... I’m seeking ways I can build on my basic rest stroke picking to allow more flexibility. Introducing wrist flexion into the mix.... With that in mind I would love to see a video on Tony Rice, (because getting the reverse roll would expand the technique a lot) but I can’t imagine these things are easy to set up haha.
Troy Grady to be able to get that pick technique while alternate picking is a real surprise to me. There are well known exceptions in GJ circles such as Gary Potter, Robin Nolan and Stephan Giniaux, but to me the thing that’s really been instructive is your ventures into Nashville. Anyway thanks for everything as always.
Hi Troy, your way to explain is truly amazing. I'm very sincere. Thanks for all your great work. Frustration is now gone :-D and I finally feel free on guitar after many years struggling. You should try to get interviews with Pat Metheny and Bireli Lagrene (which can play almost anything on guitar from Gypsy jazz to shred metal. Thanks Troy !
It would cool if you got someone w inefficient technique , film them, make suggestions, periodically see how they’re improving. That would be a way to see if remedial help is even possible
Hi Troy, you should check out Joshua Meader , would love for you to do something with him! Unique pick grip with a very relaxed hand, can play at blazing speeds with high difficulty stuff.
It's been a few years since I last visited your materials. What is the difference between what Olli is doing and what you in the old days called cross picking?
We were never really clear by what we meant with that term. Was it a type of pickstroke that is semicircular? Or was it a whole playing style where you primarily make semicircular pickstrokes? Of course the confusion with the bluegrass use of the term to mean "arpeggio" didn't help. So now we're just describing the shape of the pickstroke directly: double escape. And of course we then still have to talk about what joint motions are used to do it, because many will work. Hopefully it's clearer!
@@troygrady I was thinking of Carl Miner specifically .. Just forgot his name when I wrote my first comment. It's been a while, but looks like it's the same stuff. Off course Carl had that brief moment where just switched to pure upwards pickslanting while going into a blistering fast run only to revert seamlessly to "cross picking" again. Olli and Carl .. same same, isn't it?
E é! It IS! :-D It is interesting because most of brazilian chorões (players) use economy picking and the reverse angle (like Schon/Benson) (I am brazilian).
you should interview satchel from steel panther, there is a video of him practicing when he was 20 years old or something and his picking was even cleaner than paul gilbert in my opinion
from what i ve learned both from bluegrass and gypsy picking, if you raise wrist, it becomes more or less fixed, with some flex, but the rotation starts always in the elbow. try to grab your forearm ad try to rotate your wrist. it doesnt work, if you pick from the wrist, you must go up down, or pick with rotation of your fingers. the picking from the rotation gives you much levrage, you translate small motion over long stick and and acts kind like a golf bat or riding whip.
Gypsy jazz picking is most powerful picking. Then you switch from electric to acoustic, you can find yourself weak picker. But practice and knowledge HOW to practice is the key.
Is Olli the chap on the electric? I actually find the the fretting hand way way more impressive. Not only super fast but big big stretches all over the fretboard. The picking I could do all day in my sleep but I would struggle to fret a single bar of this music.
Now, what Yngwie thing is happening during the high-gear Olli picking slow motion brief segment starting at 14:04? RIGHT- he is picking an even number of notes per string, and always SWITCHING ON AN UPSTROKE.
What pick slanting Is he using when he does the double escape motion, and what pick slanting Is he using when he's playing super fast using mostly the wrist AND it Is just one scape motion?
You already do "good" picking motions in many everyday activities, and possibly even on your guitar currently. So the time required could be as little as zero. For example, if you use your wrist to tap repeatedly on a key on your computer keyboard, you get one letter per tap, right? It's wasteful because you're making two motions (down and up) but only typing one character each time. That's stringhopping. Now imagine if you could type one letter with the down motion, and ANOTHER letter with the up motion. You'd be making the same exact wrist motion, but now you'd be able to type twice as fast because each direction of the motion would type a letter. That's alternate picking. In practical terms, most people who do stringhopping make a down-up bounce but only hit the string once. Now if you simply turned your picking arm sideways so that the pick goes through the string TWICE - once in each direction - you could make the same exact wrist motion you already know how to do, but now you could play two notes with each round trip instead of just one!
Can you do piano vs CLASSICAL guitar using a classical music piece La Campanella or other one just to see the Weaknesses and difference between the two ,please.
OK, so that was just awesome! As per usual with Troy Grady's videos. I certainly will not criticize things like tempo or the brightness of the strings.I will leave that for the comments below. However as a classical guitar professor I want students to realize how the right hand was close to the guitar and the gentleman was still able to pull off some great licks using free strokes. That is not a standard Pepe Romero type rest stroke which is used to play lightning fast scales in classical music. However, this gentleman really pulls off some great licks. As always thank you Troy.
Are you referring to Cesar's technique or Olli's? True, Cesar doesn't appear to use the wrist flex that classical players use. I'm guessing this has to do with the thumb pick but it sounds like you may know more than me on the fingerstyle stuff!
@@troygrady sorry Troy I just received this, yes the gentleman with the thumb pick. I want to be clear, I am not criticizing him at all. I understand what it feels like to put the palm down close to the guitar and play that way. He contributes wonderful playing in this manner using slurs/legato. I just thought that I would point out that when you see a classical guitarist play etude number seven by Villa-Lobos that's not the hand position that will bring out the rest stroke speed. You need to know that you have brought so much information to the greatest guitarists. I have been a super fan of yours as long as I can remember you coming out with wonderful explanations and videos. it is an honor for you to have taken the time to read my response and reply. Peace
Troy, Andreas Oberg picks a whole Lot faster than olli, AND he uses alternate picking too, you should try to get him to do one of this with him, or maybe a whole section of him, like Martín Miller, mil Stern, etc.
Andreas is an awesome player! But I assume you haven't watched this whole feature yet, because if you check out the lick at 13:40 I don't really think it's possible to play "a whole lot faster" than that unless you're talking about death metal tremolo. But this isn't really about speed. Olli's double escape motion is quite unique and more similar to what fusion pioneers like Steve Morse and bluegrass players like Molly Tuttle do. There aren't many players who could tackle the arpeggio section of Alumiando the way Olli does because most players simply don't have this type of picking motion. Gypsy players generally don't.
@@troygrady professor Grady is right.. I know gypsy jazz well and bluegrass flatpicking and this has elements of molly Tuttle stuff, but this is a highly specialized hybrid technique ollie has . Sadly.. I dont have another 10 lifetime to master it.
@@troygrady you are absolutely right, i didn't see that part where he Is alternate picking super fast, my bad. AND he Also has a double escape technique like Martín Miller, plus the gypsy jazz technique, which makes an extraordinaria player. Still, I've always been amazed by how fluid AND natural andreas's fast alternate picking looks, AND he's not picking picking scales up AND down, he Is picking stuff like Mike Stern plays, just really fast.
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Olli's picking is incredible no doubt. But when I look at Olli's left hand, I feel that he lifts his ring and little fingers away from the fretboard a lot, and brings them back down powerfully at lightning speed. It definitely looks more inefficient and I wonder if given the incredible speed and amount of practice it can cause him injuries in the decades to come.
I'm really not understanding where this semicircular motion occurs, are you drawing a small oval as you are attacking the string?! It seems counterintuitive to do that because it makes for a greater distance between strings.
While Oli is a technical monster, he lacks the Brazilian swing and momentum, last but not least, in choro there is a space to breathe between the improvisations. If you really wanna know what choro / chorinho is about, search for Gian Correa or even Toquinho.
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I'm so happy you incorporate some acoustic players to your series or picking science!
It's a diffrent game with those and so it's beneficial to all players who are not only into purely electric guitars.
Thank you Troy!
Troy, you should contact this guy. Check out his vids and his 3-finger grip...
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How cool would it be to have Stephen Taranto in this awesome series.
It's gotta happen. Dude is insane.
elchema easily
elchema, I wouldn’t credit Jason so much since his writing is not nearly as good as Stephen’s (my opinion.)
jasjj donde te pillo master, y si, stephen en cracking the code es algo necesario por el bien de la humanidad
@@alegiddings ahora por YT tambien ajaja. Esperemos que pasé, realmente seria el video del siglo!
I would love to see Dean Lamb in here, especially knowing he's a fan of the channel already.
Incredible! You guys are the reason my picking technique leaped by 150% in the last two years. Another awesome video!
Hey, when are you going to interview Guthrie Govan?
Duuude I've been waiting for so long
FOR REAL
PLEAAAASE
That would be splendid
Yes, please!!!
Idk why but i feel like I'm playing a Mario level listening to this
Definite ragtime influence in both!
Some truly beautiful tunes in Super Mario World! (And really hard to play on guitar if you ever tried)
When are we going to get Rick Graham on his show?
He's playing jazz lines. Django meets Parker. Jazz is more than passing tones and chromatic lines.
I had the pleasure of seeing Olli perform in Nanaimo at the International Guitar Night show recently and he was an absolute pleasure to watch. Amusingly enough I was thinking "Man, this guy can play anything" and sure enough, he shows up here!
This guy picks hard AF and has a mad flying pinky lol. Such incredible talent between these two. #goals
Tons of great players with pinky's a-flyin'. Paul Gilbert and Eric Johnson are other great examples. I'm really not sure it's a problem!
So cool to see Olli on here hands down my favorite jazz guitarist right now
Killin it on the MAGNET Kickstarter Troy....congrats! I can't wait to get mine!!!!
Your method changed my joy for guitar and hence for life. Hail the downward pick slanting.
I taught myself to alternate pick most anything. But lots of things never sounded “right”. So I taught myself sweep picking and adding legato to my skills.
Now I can play phrases the way they sound best- which is more important than picking every note.
Fascinant ! Merci Troy, grâce à toi, je suis devenu tellement meilleur !
Wow just ridiculous talents the both of them. And you too Troy! This is one of my very favourite YT channels.
Troy, We would love to have insight to Allan holdsworth’s legato sweep technique.
YES
Great! Muito obrigado por divulgar o melhor de nossa música brasileira!!!!
They're both great. Cesar has an interesting technique that's almost thumb OR fingers. Can't wait for that one.
Oli’s work in his Gypsy Jazz band The Rhythm Future Quartet has been an absolute favorite of mine for years now! A brilliant player and monster alternate picker!
What I would be truly courious about is what it looks like "under the magnet" when looking at the incredible speed of galloping rhythms that some players are able to achieve. Sure it's not alternate solo picking galore like so many other videos here, but it's still an interesting part of playing. I know you had Brendon Small on the show and it was again a great video, it's just there are people capable of much higher rhythm gallop speeds than he is. Because if you think about it, it's an alternating rhythm that skips the 4th note. So the trick is to either get the pick out of the way there or use the downupdown-updownup repetition variant. Which causes a bit of a mushy, uncontrolled sound. The downupdownpause-downupdown-pause constant repetition makes every triplet far mor accentuated due to the downward picking power which also stops the string momentarily before re-enganging again, giving a far better definition. I'm pretty sure many a different player has their way of handling that. Would be nice to see that some time on the show :)
You have achieved a really inspiring work in the terms of picking. Bravo Troy!
What a fantastic video. Thank you
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Could you please stop asking "when are you going to interview ...." and fucking appreciate this masterpiece?.
The talent of those guys is mind blowing
En fait, le jeu des DEUX guitaristes est étonnant ! Qui se complètent parfaitement dans l’interprétation de ce morceau ! Il faut remercier l'inlassable curiosité de Troy Grady et sa passion non moins intacte de nous faire découvrir les mille et une façons de jouer de la guitare avec brio, comme en témoignent dans ce nouvel épisode Olli Soikkeli et Cesar Garabini ! Bravo aux... trois !
Those guys are mindblowing!
Troy, I so wish you could get Robert Fripp in for an analysis session of his floating-hand picking technique.
Absolutely! He’s also got his own tuning -C-G-D-A-E-G- which said forced him out of cliches
He’s also got a whole picking system based on tension and release, though finer details escape me
I was just about to post the same. I started watching Troy months ago because I've been searching high and low for Fripp's technique. Apparently, he uses something more like Andy Wood's cross picking banjo method. How awesome would it be to see Robert's right hand in slow motion performing the nearly "impossible" Fracture? And Robert is a total gentleman. I bet he'd make an appearance. He's heading to upstate NY this Fall for a Crafty Guitar weekend. (If quarantine has been diminished by then.) Perhaps Troy and Robert could meet. :-)
Wow! That thumb pick action is insane :O
NO Feel. 10 minutes of this and I go crazy.
Bruuuuuuuh the vids are my favorite. Immensely helped my playing thanks so much
Extraordinary.
I have picking technique like Olli. I cannot play anywhere near as fast as him, but I am fairly satisfied with the speed I can play. I developed the picking style intuitively from learning beginner bluegrass tunes.
Especially when using a metronome. The music and the tempo force you to select most efficient technique.
I think this is the clear root of Olli's development himself, that he was learning challenging fast music. Music that also incorporates "swing feel".
OK, I'm watching aliens on guitar, gonna split before I feel too inferior ....
The moment you become discouraged by other guitarists is the moment you defeat yourself from enjoying the guitar!
There will always be amazing guitarists that approach the instrument differently than other guitar players, just enjoy what you've learned and keep being open to your own growth!
Just learn/create your own special voice for your own playing and you'll do fine!
Did anyone notice the way Olli was moving his foot while playing (right in the beginning of the video)?? It's like the guy wants everything to get as complex as possible. Anyway, nice to see some Choro on Cracking the Code. Very cool, very helpful content, as usual.
You are truly my master. Thank you for that.
This is very different from "don't practice at a tempo you can't control because you will only memorize your mistakes". Your insight about serving the tennis ball etc. is so true. So, would a revision be: attempt to play your piece at speed and analyze what is going wrong, THEN bring it up to speed with the corrected technique?
Troy is my guitar guru this year.. I subbed and never regretted.. I will now break down and order the magnet...
Amazing!Crazy good!Finnjävel ;)
Amazing musical proficiency.
It might be good to list Cesar Garabini's name in the title (or at least in the description) as well. I was about to ask who is the second player with the thumbpick until I got to 4 minutes in when you mention his name, but I think it'd be nice to list it too in the title or description as he's a fantastic player too, as is Olli.
Done!
Two masters at work
double escape is what you used to call two way pick slanting? I got a little confused in the explanation. Great video, Troy!
This is really helpful. Every once in a while I wonder if I should abandon alternate picking and switch to economy picking. As someone who has some time sunk into alternate picking, I get discouraged when great players (often jazz or gypsy jazz players) in particular, say you NEED to use economy picking technique to play fast clean jazz lines. Turns out maybe you don't need any particular technique to play fast and clean.
awsome ..keep up the good work ....
Good skills yes, but Cesar Garabini's technic amaze me more. Thanks!
Hi Troy Grady , after 27 years of guitar playing i did not crack the code yet :) .. Picking when it needs to be fast is difficult for me ..I am now focusing myself trying to develop this domain where i am not gifted .. I ve watch some videos of your channel , your work is gold Thank you ...I wonder why you did not do the same for rhythm guitar , because it 's on fast rhythm guitar that i have the biggest problems , like if gravity is working against me ... Hope you will develop the subject !!!!!
This is the most incredible, full of details and conclusive video on guitar technique I have ever watched. Basically, we are all built differently and adapt to the perimeters of our individual motor systems.
Troy! You gotta get John Browne on your show! There is an abundance of alt picking content, but we need some coverage of the best down-picker in the world.
Cesar is awesome too!
Up slanting is pushing up away from the guitar or pulling down towards the guitar, Down slanting is pushing down towards the guitar or pulling up away from the guitar?
Cesar is more musical and mesmerising imho
Probably the jazziest country guitarist out there
chorinhos! Btw trad seven string Brazilian guitar is bloody difficult.
Really cool to hear music from my country here on this channel! Also, Troy should check out some brazillian choro bandolim players like Danilo Brito, he has an insane alternate picking technique.
Troy - do you know if Oli started as a gypsy picker? He seems to have mastered this approach but it almost looks like what he is doing here is modified GJ picking sometimes, where he’s added wrist motion into the mix to add flexibility.
Stylistically, Olli plays a lot of Gypsy jazz and has played with players you probably know in that style, like Joscho Stephan. However his technique is fundamentally different. The Gypsy players all use upstroke escape as the default motion and they do it with the flexed wrist form we're all familiar with. This is the motion that will rest stroke if you go far past the string you're playing, because it's a single escape motion. Olli's technique is double escape and he can't really turn it off, even when he plays Gypsy lines musically. This much is clear in slow motion. So it's not just a modified Gypsy technique, it's a completely different motion altogether. What's cool is that he can get a lot of that sound just from pick attack and the vocabulary, but he's not really doing it the way they are.
Troy Grady thanks again for the in depth reply... I’m seeking ways I can build on my basic rest stroke picking to allow more flexibility. Introducing wrist flexion into the mix.... With that in mind I would love to see a video on Tony Rice, (because getting the reverse roll would expand the technique a lot) but I can’t imagine these things are easy to set up haha.
Troy Grady to be able to get that pick technique while alternate picking is a real surprise to me. There are well known exceptions in GJ circles such as Gary Potter, Robin Nolan and Stephan Giniaux, but to me the thing that’s really been instructive is your ventures into Nashville. Anyway thanks for everything as always.
Troy Grady or Birelli. You can get Birelli right? Just to satisfy this one weird dude on your channel haha.
Would you qualify him as alternate picking string hopper? Thanks, great player. !
Hi Troy, your way to explain is truly amazing. I'm very sincere. Thanks for all your great work. Frustration is now gone :-D and I finally feel free on guitar after many years struggling. You should try to get interviews with Pat Metheny and Bireli Lagrene (which can play almost anything on guitar from Gypsy jazz to shred metal. Thanks Troy !
It would cool if you got someone w inefficient technique , film them, make suggestions, periodically see how they’re improving. That would be a way to see if remedial help is even possible
I like ending note
Wow ...
At least it is all about, how often you play, how fast you practise, and how dynamic you play
Hi Troy, you should check out Joshua Meader
, would love for you to do something with him! Unique pick grip with a very relaxed hand, can play at blazing speeds with high difficulty stuff.
It's been a few years since I last visited your materials. What is the difference between what Olli is doing and what you in the old days called cross picking?
We were never really clear by what we meant with that term. Was it a type of pickstroke that is semicircular? Or was it a whole playing style where you primarily make semicircular pickstrokes? Of course the confusion with the bluegrass use of the term to mean "arpeggio" didn't help. So now we're just describing the shape of the pickstroke directly: double escape. And of course we then still have to talk about what joint motions are used to do it, because many will work. Hopefully it's clearer!
@@troygrady I was thinking of Carl Miner specifically .. Just forgot his name when I wrote my first comment. It's been a while, but looks like it's the same stuff. Off course Carl had that brief moment where just switched to pure upwards pickslanting while going into a blistering fast run only to revert seamlessly to "cross picking" again. Olli and Carl .. same same, isn't it?
15:34 - Well rescued!
This sounds so much like Brazilian music
It is! It's Choro.
Oh yeah!!!! A gringo choro hahahahaha
Awesome!!!!!!!
E é! It IS! :-D It is interesting because most of brazilian chorões (players) use economy picking and the reverse angle (like Schon/Benson) (I am brazilian).
@@OlemirCandido hahahaha choro gringo!
Also, the dude with gray hair looks so much like Troy Grady
you should interview satchel from steel panther, there is a video of him practicing when he was 20 years old or something and his picking was even cleaner than paul gilbert in my opinion
Great player! But Paul Gilbert's playing is almost always perfectly clean, and you can't get cleaner than perfect.
@@troygrady amén.
Torille!
Kyllä!
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Can you make some videos about fast downpicking too (like james hetfield etc.) ? :-)
from what i ve learned both from bluegrass and gypsy picking, if you raise wrist, it becomes more or less fixed, with some flex, but the rotation starts always in the elbow. try to grab your forearm ad try to rotate your wrist. it doesnt work, if you pick from the wrist, you must go up down, or pick with rotation of your fingers. the picking from the rotation gives you much levrage, you translate small motion over long stick and and acts kind like a golf bat or riding whip.
Gypsy jazz picking is most powerful picking. Then you switch from electric to acoustic, you can find yourself weak picker. But practice and knowledge HOW to practice is the key.
Agreed. Gypsy jazz and bluegrass flatpicking are worlds away from electric guitar.
Is Olli the chap on the electric?
I actually find the the fretting hand way way more impressive. Not only super fast but big big stretches all over the fretboard.
The picking I could do all day in my sleep but I would struggle to fret a single bar of this music.
Now, what Yngwie thing is happening during the high-gear Olli picking slow motion brief segment starting at 14:04? RIGHT- he is picking an even number of notes per string, and always SWITCHING ON AN UPSTROKE.
I dont find his vids in the page(cracking the code), are they uploeaded?
We're still editing Olli's interview! It should be available in about a week or a week and a half, we still have to send out the tablature.
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Troy you have to get Anton Oparin. His picking is at some previously unknown level.
What pick is he using? Looks like a Wegen, bluegrass or big city.
Getting an idea of the tone production, sounds good!
The guy on the right is Thumbthing else, but It doesn't matter which one you Pick, they are both amazing....
What pick slanting Is he using when he does the double escape motion, and what pick slanting Is he using when he's playing super fast using mostly the wrist AND it Is just one scape motion?
Please feature Hetfield.. though not a technical player, he has some good techniques worth noting..
As a confirmed string hopper for more than 50 years, how long would it take me to change to (or learn) a pick slanting motion?
You already do "good" picking motions in many everyday activities, and possibly even on your guitar currently. So the time required could be as little as zero. For example, if you use your wrist to tap repeatedly on a key on your computer keyboard, you get one letter per tap, right? It's wasteful because you're making two motions (down and up) but only typing one character each time. That's stringhopping. Now imagine if you could type one letter with the down motion, and ANOTHER letter with the up motion. You'd be making the same exact wrist motion, but now you'd be able to type twice as fast because each direction of the motion would type a letter. That's alternate picking. In practical terms, most people who do stringhopping make a down-up bounce but only hit the string once. Now if you simply turned your picking arm sideways so that the pick goes through the string TWICE - once in each direction - you could make the same exact wrist motion you already know how to do, but now you could play two notes with each round trip instead of just one!
Can you do piano vs CLASSICAL guitar using a classical music piece La Campanella or other one just to see the Weaknesses and difference between the two ,please.
OK, so that was just awesome! As per usual with Troy Grady's videos. I certainly will not criticize things like tempo or the brightness of the strings.I will leave that for the comments below. However as a classical guitar professor I want students to realize how the right hand was close to the guitar and the gentleman was still able to pull off some great licks using free strokes. That is not a standard Pepe Romero type rest stroke which is used to play lightning fast scales in classical music. However, this gentleman really pulls off some great licks. As always thank you Troy.
Are you referring to Cesar's technique or Olli's? True, Cesar doesn't appear to use the wrist flex that classical players use. I'm guessing this has to do with the thumb pick but it sounds like you may know more than me on the fingerstyle stuff!
@@troygrady sorry Troy I just received this, yes the gentleman with the thumb pick. I want to be clear, I am not criticizing him at all. I understand what it feels like to put the palm down close to the guitar and play that way. He contributes wonderful playing in this manner using slurs/legato. I just thought that I would point out that when you see a classical guitarist play etude number seven by Villa-Lobos that's not the hand position that will bring out the rest stroke speed. You need to know that you have brought so much information to the greatest guitarists. I have been a super fan of yours as long as I can remember you coming out with wonderful explanations and videos. it is an honor for you to have taken the time to read my response and reply. Peace
Soy el primer like! Viva el Gypsy Jazz!
Troy, Andreas Oberg picks a whole Lot faster than olli, AND he uses alternate picking too, you should try to get him to do one of this with him, or maybe a whole section of him, like Martín Miller, mil Stern, etc.
Andreas is an awesome player! But I assume you haven't watched this whole feature yet, because if you check out the lick at 13:40 I don't really think it's possible to play "a whole lot faster" than that unless you're talking about death metal tremolo. But this isn't really about speed. Olli's double escape motion is quite unique and more similar to what fusion pioneers like Steve Morse and bluegrass players like Molly Tuttle do. There aren't many players who could tackle the arpeggio section of Alumiando the way Olli does because most players simply don't have this type of picking motion. Gypsy players generally don't.
@@troygrady professor Grady is right.. I know gypsy jazz well and bluegrass flatpicking and this has elements of molly Tuttle stuff, but this is a highly specialized hybrid technique ollie has . Sadly.. I dont have another 10 lifetime to master it.
@@troygrady you are absolutely right, i didn't see that part where he Is alternate picking super fast, my bad. AND he Also has a double escape technique like Martín Miller, plus the gypsy jazz technique, which makes an extraordinaria player. Still, I've always been amazed by how fluid AND natural andreas's fast alternate picking looks, AND he's not picking picking scales up AND down, he Is picking stuff like Mike Stern plays, just really fast.
It seems to me, that Andy's crosspicking technique has a finger joint component to it, similar to Martin Miller's
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Does the magnet fit a 7-string classical guitar?
I thought it doesn't because those necks are over 2.5 inches wide, so I didn't order a magnet, but in this video I see that it fits, or maybe the production model won't fit? 🤔
2.5 to 2.625 inches is about the max width neck the Magnet will fit. If it's in that ballpark, it might work!
@@troygrady Thank you Troy for your reply! My neck width varies, so I guess I'll order one and push it to the furthest point where it fits!
Olli's picking is incredible no doubt. But when I look at Olli's left hand, I feel that he lifts his ring and little fingers away from the fretboard a lot, and brings them back down powerfully at lightning speed. It definitely looks more inefficient and I wonder if given the incredible speed and amount of practice it can cause him injuries in the decades to come.
Hi Troy Grady, How about doing a story with George Benson?
Chorinho.
Olli's playing reminds me of Jimmy Bryant
You gotta get Guthrie on here as well as Ben eunson
Take a look at Michael paouris .... Greek guy who is beyond insanely fast with his picking..
I'm really not understanding where this semicircular motion occurs, are you drawing a small oval as you are attacking the string?! It seems counterintuitive to do that because it makes for a greater distance between strings.
Also Oli is playing rhythm guitar with pick which is not something I’ve heard much in this music, but he sounds great.
While Oli is a technical monster, he lacks the Brazilian swing and momentum, last but not least, in choro there is a space to breathe between the improvisations. If you really wanna know what choro / chorinho is about, search for Gian Correa or even Toquinho.
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This is called “Chorinho”