Apex Legends Switch - Are The Compromises Too Severe? How Fair Is CrossPlay?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Panic Button returns with yet another Nintendo Switch port that pushes the system to its very limits - and perhaps this time the compromises are just too pronounced. In this analysis, Tom Morgan and Alex Battaglia use the CrossPlay functionality in this multi-platform battle royale to compare the Switch port to the Xbox experience - with some dramatically different results. Is the experience still fair? Does the compromised Switch experience actually expose hidden players more easily? See for yourself in this video.
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Tom: "Apex is the most taxing game in the Switch I've seen"
If John was there: "Ok, let's talk about Ark Survival Evolved"
Crysis for Switch.
@@GuyOnAChair Crysis runs better on the Switch than my p4, 1GB, 8600GT setup from 2007.
@@GuyOnAChair Crysis for Switch is damn impressive for what it is. Ark is on a whole other level of fail
@@Loundsify I would hope so. That wasn’t a very high end setup for Crysis.
Ark is fixed
Ah yes just like when my Pentium 3 pc's framerate went from 15 to 4 in counter strike source when the enemy team was approaching. I had a huge advantage
I could always tell on my old PC when I was around enemies in Bad Company 2. My frame rate would drop to single digits and it'd become unplayable. It's actually what made me switch to console and buy a ps3. Cheaper to just buy a new console then upgrade the parts I needed to upgrade.
on my old PC in MOBO's the FPS drooped so low it was easy to click on people, slide shows make it so easy to know where to click!
that was only in bigger fights with heroes, so only easy click time when it counted.
An advantage of knowing, but not one in terms of control to actually shoot them.
@@BurtSampson lol. That's especially true now with the current GPU prices
@@liaminwales big brain gaming
Frames drop when you are near enemies? Guess you won’t need a Bloodhound in your squad!
It's like sea of thieves on xbox one 😂
Everytime a other ship comes near to me, my game has a little hiccup 💩
"Some switch ports don't need to exist" - DigitalFoundry
I don't think this is ark evolved level of garbage port, is not great but it's ok imo.
Idk why Respawn is even bothering when they could be making TF3
@@ErenTheWarcriminal Is titanfall 3 in development?
It's my favorite way to play
@@hollow_bones1724 no, they ditched titanfall 3 for Apex Legends, and Titanfall probably never will come out, they don't need another competitor.
I love switch port analysis
You and some noobs
@@brokengames9020 ok
Same. I don't even have a Switch but I am so interested whenever a Switch port comes out to see the analysis and how things are pared back for it.
@@brokengames9020 wat
@@brokengames9020 What does this have to do with a switch port of a free game?
If I want to play the switch version I just take my glasses off
Lmao but remember the switch screen isn't very big so you don't notice low resolutions that much
It does look blurry AF 😉
@@shinji906 Funny how true this is, in fact, it's less blurrier than the docked mode
-game is made for auto-aimers with 30 PREMIUM FPS doing macro-transactions for cut content giving out their personal data and that data is being exploited by publishers to inflate their scam and keep people in the loop. Welcome to the brave naive world. Developers of said naive world can't face the facts so they suppress, censor people. Outsource their dirty work to influencers which get high when they receive free merch.
Free merch > free speech.
Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
As well Corporations [through governments] are harvesting our biometric data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Hardcore corporate defenders please check out "The Corporation", "Surveillance Capitalism", "The century of the self", "Stockholm syndrome", "Milgram Experiment" and "The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn't Want You to Know")
@@shinji906 this is prime Switch brain lmfao you definitely notice the low resolution unless you are literallt visually impaired
A newer way to spot enemies... No grass, and if the fps goes down, we have a enemy nearby... 😬
It’s a feature!
A lesson in "just because you can, doesn't mean you should"
They definitely should have not with this one.
@@void1754 nah still an option as someone with just a switch, is playable
@@wilsonzea5616 yes, lets try to port cyberpunk
-game is made for auto-aimers with 30 PREMIUM FPS doing macro-transactions for cut content giving out their personal data and that data is being exploited by publishers to inflate their scam and keep people in the loop. Welcome to the brave naive world. Developers of said naive world can't face the facts so they suppress, censor people. Outsource their dirty work to influencers which get high when they receive free merch.
Free merch > free speech.
Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
As well Corporations [through governments] are harvesting our biometric data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Hardcore corporate defenders please check out "The Corporation", "Surveillance Capitalism", "The century of the self", "Stockholm syndrome", "Milgram Experiment" and "The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn't Want You to Know")
@@realghostxd nah at least for me would be a trash game with trash performance
I wouldn’t worry about the grass if they are playing at sub 720p 20fps 😂
actually its 640p 20 fps , dynamic res kicks in when it drops below 30 fps
@@Rem_NL i did say “Sub 720p”
@@JochoPorocho you are absolutely right, must have read over it :)
The developers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should
Idk, I personally like the port
Well played sir
I mean that seems like the trend, I have a funny feeling this switch pro is real and they know it so they dont really care about making them well running on the base system anymore. Just so it's there for when a new switch does arrive on THAT one it actually becomes more acceptable
@@RoGMasterCha0s Is the Switch your only console?
You just semi-quoted my favorite line from the whole original Jurassick-Park movie, Ian Malcom (Jeff Goldblum) would be proud, well done sir. 😎👍
Like all of Panic Button's ports, I feel that what they're able to accomplish on such an underpowered device is very impressive... But I wouldn't want to have to play these versions.
I wonder what is their drive to do that.
@@Kabodanki The incentive is a monetary one.
Meaning ....money.
Thing is I remember not having the latest console. At one point I only had a wii. And the shitty ps3 ports, even the ones that were basically different games, meant a lot to me. And it does to many other. A lod of kids probably only have a switch. It's cheaper than a pc or console and doesn't need any accessories or io. And a free port that still keeps all the content is definitely something that will be played.
Panic Button's ports are bad. Psyonix needed to go and fix Rocket League themselves.
Are you gonna check pvz garden wafare 3 on switch? its the first frostbite engine title to ever be on switch, that would be an interesting analysis
Yes please, that'd be cool
Frostbite is the best and most optimized engine for games.
I'm pretty sure they will. Since November Digital Foundry mostly do only videos of old games like Control, Dirt, Devil May Cry V, Flight Simulator and the list goes on.
Hopefully they do, I’m really enjoying it, it’s a really solid port.
Remember that "Nintendo magic compression"? Turns out it's just low-res soup textures.
Nintendo Magic Compression be like:
Doom, Wolfenstein 2, Doom Eternal, Ori 1&2, The Witcher 3, Alien Isolation, Hellblade
*This sparks joy*
Apex Legends, Ark, Outer Worlds
*This does not spark joy*
@@roniksharma3569 All of those have lower-res textures, mate.
@@TheGoncas2 Yeah but not as weak as Apex or the other bad ports. Games like Doom and others are still enjoyable to an extent on Switch. In fact, there are games like Ori and Alien that still have great resolution.
Super Mario 3D World Magic Compression
@@roniksharma3569 Ori could run in 5k 120 fps on XSX, still happy it runs in 1080p 30 fps on Switch
Me before seeing the video:
- Let's see how bad this port is!
Me after seeing the video:
- Yes. That's bad allright.
The port isn’t bad, the power of the Switch after 4 years is 🤷🏻♂️
That's me after every Switch port
@@MudSluggerBP the time of release has nothing to do with it. the game runs fine on older hardware like the ps4/xbo. the switch was released with a weak GPU but everyone new so this should not be surprising
@@stankbuddha
Idk. I remember hearing that the switch was close in power to the base xbone; if you downloaded this game on the one without the hd texture pack, it would look like this tho at 60fps
Get the impression the switch could run a whole lot better if not for the concern of battery consumption
But idk
I think panic button did the best they could with how little power the switch offers
The thing that bothers me about every panic button Port Is trying to mash AA into them, AA properly works and looks fine when resolutions are above 720p but below that it just looks bad, specially since these games are First person shooters, it looks blurry and I can't play these games without having headaches, at least give us the option to disable it
I’m sure they’ll update it down the line to improve performance. Outer Worlds got updated to look better, too
@@Poever they Will, the good thing about panic button Is that they constantly update the games they Work in, but still i would appreciate if the option to disable AA was implemented, none of their games have that making it still pretty hard to play them
Yeah its weird since the disabled AA in the doom eternal port and obviously for the better.
They should go like Tencent route with PUBG mobile. In spec with switch, pubgm will run 1080p 60fps
@@BAYDROID Yep - 30 vs 60 will get destroyed 100% of the time unless the skill levels are massively skewed (which in most matches, they won't be)
I will play Apex on Switch when there is cross progression.
It's CROSSPLAY for all systems
Crossplay != Cross progression
Me too friend 🥊🤖
I pulled two legendaries on Switch and I can't bring them over...
@@warframedeaths4881 There is no cross progression
You can actually see the bullet shells on the Switch version. The issue is though that because it's 30 FPS you might only catch it at the top of the screen. You can see it in one frame at 10:54
DF guys is a little dumb sometimes
Looks like a pre-blurred sprite. Smart substitution.
this should have had a cel shading restyle like smash on 3ds or something like that.
Exacly
Unfortunately, that still doesn't make it easier to render such a large play space, or the necessity to handle all the network information for all of these players.
It wouldn't help readability or playability much for the cost of re-doing graphics. Fundamentally, resolution is a sampling problem; sample too coarsely (read: resolution is too low) and whole details are lost, like players. Rendering a large play space with long sight lines is the problem, and also the essential game. IDK what they can actually do besides spot-patching slow / frequently called functions.
it wouldn't have made much of a difference. The biggest factors for these types of games (Big, open battle royales) are CPU and ram which is why dropping texture quality, anti-aliasing, shadow resolutions, etc by so much still doesn't allow the game to even consistently run at 30fps. There is only so much you can do to maximize CPU and RAM before you simply run out of horsepower.
I honestly prefer that look to the switch's hd🤷🏾♂️
That along with the outlines, everything was just so clear and easy to see
I was actually positively surprised when i played my first matches on Switch, i enjoyed it even tho (of course) its lagging every now and then, and the resolution is pretty low (especially handheld). But in the end, for me at least, its still really fun and thats what matters. But i wont say no to a Switch Pro down the line.
The biggest issue I had was the controls. I normally play on the PS4 and I feel like the joycons were a bigger reason not to play than the graphics. That and you can't use custom controls with them, so I could only do minimal adjustments for the controls.
Switch Pro? More like Switch 2 right now, on late 2022 in the worst case
You need to have better standards, this port is a waste of time.
@@rav186 "Another person on the internet enjoying something I don't? Now we can't have that, no sir!"
@@Cae_the_Kitsune a chance to be an internet white knight? Gotta jump on that!
Have to say it remains an impressive sight to see such a game ported over to 2015 mobile hardware. The compromises are stark. I am immediately reminded of Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 for Xbox 360 and PS3 - Not only have those versions a similar look, they also have the same solid color textures and shading.
So essentialy Apex Legends is like that. Except Apex Legends is a battle royale and BLOPS3 was a gimped multiplayer title on PS360.
Impressive, nonethless. But Apex Legends shows we are hitting hard limits here.
If anything, it shows how handicapped the Switch is power-wise. This is why Nintendo needs to make an upgrade so that this game can be a lot nicer to play but now, nope this ain't it chief.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Apex is one of the example titles Nintendo would use to justify an early release of a “Switch Pro”
impressive job from panic button, but sorry to say this, this shouldn't have been ported in the first place
-game is made for auto-aimers with 30 PREMIUM FPS doing macro-transactions for cut content giving out their personal data and that data is being exploited by publishers to inflate their scam and keep people in the loop. Welcome to the brave naive world. Developers of said naive world can't face the facts so they suppress, censor people. Outsource their dirty work to influencers which get high when they receive free merch.
Free merch > free speech.
Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
As well Corporations [through governments] are harvesting our biometric data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Hardcore corporate defenders please check out "The Corporation", "Surveillance Capitalism", "The century of the self", "Stockholm syndrome", "Milgram Experiment" and "The Secrets of Silicon Valley: What Big Tech Doesn't Want You to Know")
@@brokengames9020 Honestly, tea
@@brokengames9020 best comment on this vid, thank you for sharing this
Some people don't have any console other than the Switch and just want to play such a game regardless of how big the sacrifices on the graphics are.
I don't have a Switch, but I understand who is in this situation because a few years ago I only had the Wii and DS as a console, even if the graphics downgrades were massive I had a lot of fun playing some games like Call of Duty: Black Ops/Modern Warfare 3 on the Wii.
What is not playable for you can be playable for other people, for me if a game manages to keep 30fps a good part of the time, you can enjoy it well, so for me it is very good to see these ports on the Switch, if I didn't have a PS4 I would probably play without any problem.
@@MoonSarito I also have a very old pc which cant even play Call of Duty: Black Ops/Modern Warfare 3 at 30fps.However I am going to get a steam deck in 2023 which I am super exited for also I always liked mobile or watered down ports as I have a pretty good phone. In my terms if you can experience something be happy.
On the question of whether this and similar challenging games "should" be ported to Switch, my opinion is that, yes, they should. Now I know the main reason Apex Legends on Switch exists is to capitalize on the Switch's huge player base, but for me it's all about the challenges that developers like Panic Button overcome when porting games to such a drastically lower-spec platform - these can lead to innovative solutions or further optimization than before. If I'm not mistaken, that was the case with Warframe, another Panic Button port on the Switch - I recall Digital Extremes (the original developers) saying that some of the optimizations Panic Button made for the Switch were also back-ported to the other console versions, increasing their performance as well.
Additionally, maybe the answer to the "should these ports exist" question will be much different if a higher-spec, backward-compatible Switch is just around the corner (as many people seem to suggest).
20:42 bruh what did I just see there LMAO
A huge L
Predator going out of invisibility mode.
Gotta love that 70 FOV
@@SuperCer054Real yeah that's just tunnel vision
@@SuperCer054Real 60 Fov*
Panic Button did everything in their power and an amazing job at that, but this shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Problem is, you won't know till you try. Now we got the answer and the only hope is a Switch PRO in the near future. The currrent model is great to bring decades of videogames, but hardly for what's coming next struggling with games like Apex.
@@darkrusie Switch Pro will definitely come.. Thing is they really kinda rushed into the bandwagon of Nintendo's success and forced this port. To be honest you can prototype a game and see for yourself first..
Apex Legends is just too much for the Switch.
@@vivid8979 I think they will show an improved version on Switch PRO as selling point, this one is unplayable. Imagine Apex Legends, Fortnite and who knows a CoD running at 60 fps on a portable console.
@@darkrusie fortnite mobile and cod mobile is running at a 720 60 on high settings on a iPhone X how are a a mobile phone out performing a dedicated handheld
@@shockvalue5086 I don't think Fortnite mobile got the same LOD, check some comparison video on YT. Moreover, 60 frames is possible on phones because they have more CPU cores, meanwhile Switch has only 3 usable cores out of 4 for gaming.
With game updates and releases Digital Foundry doesn’t have to worry about a content drought anytime soon. These videos always make my day :)
30 fps against 60 fps is already a disadvantage
Think About When people's With switch Will have to face With PS5 And Series X Players It will be 120fps Vs 30fps Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@nemodemolishedgamer7440 It is over before it even began.
That feeling you get when you change youtubes resolution and nothing changes. Switch!
Those Switch textures remind me of the N64 era.
Then you have no memory.... now, if you show me Pokemon shield textures....
"Even bullet shells have been removed that has existed since counter strike 1.0"
Switch stans will defend this
Or not even know what you're talking about.
if anything it should have adopted more settings that most competitive players use. yes it won't look as good with shadows and the like off, but the DRS could be less aggressive or even better frame rate.
I want to start collecting ports that have no right to exist.
For this port in particular... How? I don't think this will be on a cartridge...
Unless you mean collect digi-download versions?
@@adis3202 That's a good point. I wasn't aware but I just meant like The Witcher 3 on Switch or Xenoblade Chronicles on 3DS.
Yeah. I bought Doom 2016 for my Switch Lite. Big mistake. It's horrible.
I just love the fact that his Nintendo ID is just "Tom"
that's the advantage of Nintendo's ID system that everyone hates, you can choose the name you want.
@@Usaji_
How can you hate that?
I think the bullet casing effect is still there, its just the framerate is so low you only see it on screen for like 1 frame, if any. @10:54 you can see a bullet casing fly up the screen for like 1 frame.
I appreciate the work that went in to this version, but man.......
If you want to see how this game looks on switch, just play this video in 360p.
LMAO
Nah its honestly more like 480p
Game is already looking 480p then after playing the video in 480p will further downgrade the visuals.
@@Shubham-hk6yf
Nah
Watching this here on your phone looks so much clearer than on the switch
Thats such a dumb thing to say when even if this video was 4k it would still factually look worse than how the game actually looks. Do you not know what compression is? Why are you even on digital foundry if you're so technically ignorant?
That Series X difference is insane. Some games should just not even be considered for The Switch.
Power wise the Switch is like a 7.5 generation console. Why on earth they are comparing it to a 9th generation console is just ridiculous.
@@ZackSNetwork yeah its like they should compare it To ps4 or Xbox one
It's actually the Xbox One X version running on Series X. Still looks great.
I love to see DF covering my addiction another year later 😂❤️
Listen to John's interview with panic button and Billy Khan. They explain why turning off AA is not only an incredibly stupid choice but its not even an option to consider
Everybody loves aliasing ....right?
Benchmark Aya Neo Handheld PC vs Consoles
Benchmarks of both the Aya Neo & Win 3, would be nice.
Would love a look at the Microsoft store version of Nier Automata Become as gods edition since the steam release was abandonware!
Woah I literally wouldn't be able to play that. Would hurt my eyes after a while. I hope the Switch Pro comes out soon
I wish they take their time and release it with enough stock, no need to rush for the holidays when you will have stock shortages.
My take is if a version of a game is locked at 30 FPS and it’s online multiplayer it should not have cross play with other consoles
I wouldn’t be able to play this game (or most shooters) on Switch. The only thing worth playing on Switch are the first party Nintendo games and select indie games.
I agree. These kinds of multi-platform games are too cut back anyways.
I was trying it out in docked i could barely go thru a whole match cuz of how bad it chugs
I understand the drawbacks but I have been having a lot of fun with this port. 80+ kills on my Switch account, cross play; so for me, especially playing portable in bed it's been great! For those that hate you have the option to play elsewhere, let us Switch enthusiasts have our fun 🙂
No one is hating, they are comparing the game and discussing it. If YOU can't take the honest comments that it's trash then you go elsewhere. It's not hating to say it looks and play bad...because it does. I hate the game personally but I'm just here to see the hardware comparison as it's interesting. Don't take the comments so seriously. It looks and plays bad, it's just fact.
@@robincregan I was addressing the comments and yah I've seen lots of unnecessary hate online, doesn't take much to find it. Also, DF's analysis interests me as well, nowhere did they say trash, you did, and that's part of the hate I'm talking about. Yes, it looks bad and plays poorly compared to other consoles, my point is I'm having fun and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but others shouldn't diminish the port as "trash" like you did. If you can't handle other's opinions then that's your problem 🙂
😁😂😂😂😂
@@JP-wm1cc Valid point
I noticed this in the store when it came out. I downloaded it on my sons switch just to play a few rounds. Undocked it looked fine. I did not play it docked but it looked fine on his small screen.
I’m sure future updates will benefit the switch but yes, it’s a bit rough.
A bit???
Maybe, but overall I doubt that they will improve things by much. If anything I'm surprised that they didn't talk about how the FOV is stuck at 70 while all the others can have it much higher and that can be a big disadvantage.
Doesn't Crysis run on the Switch? 😳
It do be runnin.
It’s so insane to me that phones have been more powerful than the switch since the iPhone X and galaxy s9 in 2017, but the switch gets all of the ports instead. Compare emulation on both and you’ll easily see how weak the hardware is in comparison to phones
People don't buy phones to play $60 AAA games!
I mean If you didn't know they are porting the game to mobile phones.
The Switch launched in 2017 with a mobile SOC from 2014 that is heavily under clocked. I’m amazed how people don’t understand this already.
@@andrewz4515 I know, but the vast majority of games don’t get ported to mobile and switch.
All of these shortcomings would have been okay if I could find any matches with cross-play turned off.
i wonder what saber's version of this game would look like
at 10:54 you can actually see a casing on-screen in the Switch version, it just seems like the framerate is so low that you can almost never observe them flying out
I know it doesn't look great but this is incredible man.
Is it, tho?
@@mn_0000 even if a single pixel is rendered, Nintendo switch owners will be like “its impressive, omg, I can’t believe how much the switch is capable”
@@mikeuk666 ok boomer
@@mikeuk666 I’m sorry but he’s speaking straight facts
@@mikeuk666 imagine calling someone a clown just because they were idiotic enough to buy a switch as there main console
Panic Button does Warframe for Switch too. Solid work there. But I think it's worth mentioning Titanfall 1 was on X360 too... It scaled alright.
@@stankbuddha Warframe does not run on UE3. It's on DE's proprietary Evolution Engine. And previously only on x64 and x86 (PC, PS4,XB1... Now PS5 after Switch) systems.
Looks like an early 360 game. My eyes....
Looks worse than that
Remember when 360 games first came out and they were jaw dropping. 360 came along way that’s for sure.
I've been playing a ton of the Switch version this week, propping the console up on my desk beside my PC. I don't have one that's nearly good enough to play the game, so this setup lets me quickly play a couple matches and then do some work. I've played the game on-and-off for about a year now, and played quite a bit in the lead-up to the Switch release. This week alone, only on the Switch, I've gotten my first and only 3 wins in the game, on any platform. Sure, that says something about my god-awful lack of skill, but it's a good testimony to why this version should exist.
I see this as another "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" game on Switch. Anyone playing the switch version in a crossplay session will be at an incredible disadvantage, especially if this is the first time they are playing. Should've waited for the switch pro, instead
It’s going to be tough with all that stick drift.
At one point I actually did have that problem and it worried me which is why in those very few cases when I do play this, I just stick to my Pro controller.
@@PC-tan Yeah unfortunately for me my Pro has the treaded stick drift as well. 🖖
Actually its super easy barely an inconvience
@@michiganjack1337 rip
@@nanakojo said no one ever
I actually have a lot of fun playing with this version, and I manage to do decent as well. Im actually impressed
you enjoy playing 20 fps? ok then
@@earnistse4899 it is 30 but okay. The point that it is portable is still an amazing feat I would say
@@GamerGobind did you watch the video? In combat it never hits 30fps always below 30 and sometimes below 20
@@earnistse4899 i enjoy playing with friends on pc that i was not able to play with before :)
@@GamerGobind it’s not 30 , most of the time it’s in the mid to low 20’s lolllll image that being a fun experience
Update came out yesterday. Framerates feeling alot smoother and graphics easier on the eyes.
TL:DW: Cutbacks are too severe and playing switch lowers your MMR by 90%
Some publishers were so preoccupied with whether or not they should, they didn't stop to think if they could (nah, Panic Button will figure that out, right?)
poor panic button they throw these demanding games on them and tell them "just make it work" and PB has to trudge to port these games and after all that work some people will still complain, it's not their fault the switch is as strong as a ps3
@@khaledm.1476 Exactly. Publishers are becoming too comfortable with the 'magic' of porting studios.
The worst thing is performance on current gen got worse than on release, we have something between 45-60 fps they should fix the game tbh.
Ikr! Even on PC, it drops more than it did at launch. 😔
Yeah am just chilling on Olympus and out of nowhere it drips to 30 fps.
@@andrewz4515 Map lags like hell if you don't enable DRS.
Runs 60 perfectly on my series X
@@snc237 No shit on next gen it runs smooth 60 fps?
CONFUSED PIKACHU FACE.
wow one x really looks beautiful
That´s just the direct comparison to the switch :D
For being the only way to play this game portable it's okay, certainly there will be performance enhancements post-launch and maybe some of the extra details will resurface in time. We need a switch hardware revision.
Only played a couple games pre patch, but watching this analysis I can see that the frame rate has improved quite a bit.
But watching this video on my phone, I feel like if we could have that docked resolution on portable play, there would be nothing to complain about even with the soupy textures and 30fps
With a seemingly new and more powerful switch on the horizon, I think df should do another analysis but with their modded overclocked switch; see if that would lock down that 30fps and how much better it will be able to stick to 720
Yikes. Hard pass on this one.
Not being locked at 30 FPS when docked, is a deal breaker for me.
I'd never thought that I would someday say that I want my jagged edges back again. TAA and other modern techniques are unbearable in such lower resolutions.
I agree completely
Nope. I think you're not realizing just how bad these games would look without taa. Its not even like comparing to ps2 games. Similar resolution but the massively increased geometric detail, specular highlights, and shaders would lead to an unbelievable mess of not just jagged edges but most of all shimmering literally everywhere
These games were designed with TAA in mind and the whole package simply will not work without it. Not to mention in texture shimmering as well since these games don't have mip mapping since TAA takes care of it
@@HugoStiglitz88 so yeah that's why I did mention it. Wasn't the TAA alone the problem.
Game is using the Source Engine, but can't manage to run above 480p on switch, amazing
Its 720p most of the time
@@Karlenk0 Lmao, no it's not. Did you not watch the video? Unless you're looking at the sky, it's not 720p..
It's not the same as HL2, the devs have used it as a foundation and added their own custom tech which the OG engine isn't capable of.
People need to stop hating, the fact that they got this to even run on switch is incredible
Tasty boots this evening.
No one's hating. It's impressive. But that doesn't mean it's good or needs to exist. Switch just isn't meant for a game like this with its extremely downclocked CPU and limited RAM. Apex relies mostly on CPU which Switch just doesn't have a lot of. As a result, you have a version of it where players are at an extreme disadvantage when playing with other console and especially PC players, it can't even keep a consistent 30fps (which stable 30fps is still bad for this type of game when other console players are playing 60fps and PC is playing like 60-144+fps) and its not even a native 720p most of the time in docked or handheld when other console and PC players are playing 1080p and 1440p. People will still have fun with it and I'm glad for those people, but this is a port that should've been left alone. If it was single-player, then none of this would be that big of a deal, but it's a multi-player battle royale so these things do affect the gameplay experience. It's impressive but still lacking.
30 FPS just isn’t suitable for first-person shooters. The platform is just too far behind everything else for games like this.
it would be nice if it were 30 fps...
It's almost like a completely different game.
Shows not every game is scalable.
It's not too bad to improve the graphics on switch or for any other consoles or PC turn off the fov the game looks much sharper.
Please DF, could you retest the game on other platforms. Performance got a lot worse over time with all the updates the game had and devs seem to ignore it. Base console versions run pretty bad for a lot of people and nowhere near the almost locked 60fps when you tested the game at launch (although some people claim it runs good so it seems to vary a bit). Pro and One X are okayish, but far from perfect. Only Series X/S and PS5 in backcompat deliver a locked 60fps.
Are they? I played the game on both XSX and PS5 and it can feel like your playing at 60fps at time and others it feel like it's even lower than that.
@@PC-tan I mean you can play with an fps counter enabled and it says 59 most of the time (which is normal). It still can drop in heavy alpha effect scenes (gibby ult + bang smoke + getting EMPed by crypto), but they reduced fog particle counts in the last patch a bit so it might have even less impact now. But in general it runs very smooth for me on series x at 60fps, while on my One X I got stuttery 30-40fps in many gun fights in most dense locations, especially in the city on worlds edge.
@@danistar3446 that's what's weird since it does say 59 a vast majority of the time but it doesn't feel like that, sometime it feels even more chopy at times for some reason. I did do a restart on the XSX which did help quite a bit in making it much less choppy but still not as smooth as I would like for it to be. I was not sure if it's because of quick resume games that it's like that or something because after I restarted the system it still booted those games like normal which surprised me actually that it could even do that since this was not sleep mode but rather me going into the settings and restarting the thing.
10:43 this it nitpicking a nitpick, but the switch version does still have ejected bullet casings (you can see one clearly in a frame around 10:54). it seems that the framerate is just so low that a lot of the time they don't even show up on screen (or perhaps their infrequency is a bug).
Honestly its super fun handheld and runs surprisingly well....I've managed to get 4 wins in a row whilst playing with cross play enabled. Although a few matches were clearly unfair as the squads were made up of fast moving PS4 players. If i could play with switch only without the wait time being crazy (which currently it is with crossplay disabled) this would be a GEM. Dunno what these guys are on about....
They should probably offer an adaptive vsync option. It WILL most certainly tear all the time, but at least you wouldn't get the extra vsync latency nor the frankly dizzying judder the game on Switch shows when the framerate drops from 30.
Yeah.
This is the Cyperpunk 2077 of the Switch.
Nah Borderlands 2 on ps vita is worse
If you were not hearing the audio, you would think this was a video of remaster. The changes are so dramatic you would not think they were made in the order they were.
The compromises were enough that Nintendo Life gave it a 5 out of 10. That’s their ringing endorsement
It's better than not having the game on Switch at all. Lol. That's the general consensus. If you don't have a PC or home console, at least you have this
@@aaz1992 that sort of seems to be the cases, if you are starting some where and don't have any of those other things this is the place to be. Other wise if you are going to the Switch form those other places it's going to be a terrible experience and that's coming form my first hand experience. Going from 25 fps on Switch to 100+ fps on PC makes it feel like a real game changer. That's being said I do like how even on Switch that the game still feels like the game since "game" wise you are still more or less are going to have the same experience and this is from me putting a good number of hours Into all 4 versions of the game.
@@aaz1992 It's better to not exist at all IMO. It's too forced and obviously just an attempt to capitalize on the switch success. Sadly it's not even good..
Considering the Xbox one s barely holds 60 fps and dips into the 40s also the resolution is around 720p based on your first analysis this port was sorta doomed to begin with. 60fps ports tend to work better when they are stable on the Xbox one s and are at 1080p then you’ve got more room to optimize.
no grass rendering on switch, easier to spot the enemies :)
They should get rid of shadows too
Switch version out there looking like halo’s blood gulch back on OG Xbox
Watch Nintendo fanboys still defend this. but buuu bu buuut its portable lmao
Bro nobody is defending nothing, stop beefing over switch players for no reason lol
This port reminds me of black ops 3 on last gen consoles (Xbox 360, PS3)
I was waiting for this. Love the Switch content. So, that means Titanfall 1 can be on the Switch, right? Just port the X360 version..
Thanks for taking us through it, Tom.
Definitely needs a couple more patches
i kind of wish panic button would take these insane optimization skills to an original title on high end hardware.. if they can make games on switch look this good, i wonder what they could do with more power
great programmers, but bad designers maybe.
apex legends legends?
i dont play this game but ill assume thats just a typo
It's a nice option for those who only have a Switch, especially if their friends also have them.
it would be the "only" option then
@@Usaji_ would you prefer to not have the option at all?
"We don't need a switch pro". -_-
We do need it badly
The frame dips totally happen when there is an enemy team in your vicinity. If you have your information bar on (I'm on xbox one x) you will see not only your frames dip, but your ping go mental as well. I'm starting to record footage it happens so often. One of the clips I have shows my team heading towards the harvester, just before the lifeline tagged a team, the ping jumped to about 200 and my character froze. And it happens all the time with differing effects. I have a running joke that Im clairvoyant, and tell when enemies are near - because my ping and frame rate go all funny before we encounter them, and it's true.
Nier Automata on the Microsoft store needs a video, I'm about half way though and it's much better than the Steam release.
Really?
I legit feel bad for people who really try to play these games on a switch when they are meant for higher console gaming, i could never lol.
Maybe next time Nintendo should stop cutting corners on technology and release a console with a decent hardware, instead of focusing on gimmicks. It baffles me how much they can get away with because grown men feel nostalgic about the company as a whole.
Sorry for the random rant, but people were gaming on higher resolutions back in 2006, 15 years ago, for Christ's sake.
Ye, I love my Switch but the Switch pro better be a much better hw this time around.
Playing on Series X and then coming back to the Switch is traumatic.
Its a competitive game, i play this on low a 720p on PC. My PC have a CPU Ryzen 5 and a RTX card, so can handling well on ultra in 1080p. But, it's a competitive game, no graphic complexity is needed.
This is why people cant take esports seriously because of parity
How does lowering the resolution benefit you in any way?
@@Adam_Zielinski input latency is lowered, so chances are your shots are fired and recognised first.
@@Loundsify interesting. Never heard of that, may check it out
@@Adam_Zielinski pro CSGO player run in low settings.
Defenitely not the best version, but I"m still glad that we can play this on the Switch.
I think they are gearing up for the Switch Pro version. This game will run great on it.