My favorite archers are the ones that can function on the front line pushing aggressively and can also have the range with an arrow rain doctrine to snipe enemy ranged. My archer of choice is actually the Imperial archer due to being able to push behind a ball of our troops and use the precision volley to wipe out heroes and heavily armored troops. I've maxed out their ranged to 103 meters so they are closer the the longbowmen's ranged than the other archer units and I've also got the t5 arrow rain so I can actually snipe longbows sometimes. My other favorite ranged are the prefecture and the incendiary archers. Both perform well for their leadership. I'd really like if they made a gold tier archer unit that actually functions like archers and not like muskets like houndsmen. I don't like longbows because you can't push the frontline near as well as imperial archers or prefecture archers. But overall, nice list!
I love Longbows, the fact that they can hard counter pretty much all ranged units alone, the enemy have 2 shenjis, 1 houndsmen, 1 falco, 2 imp arqs, 2 rattan marksmen and a zykalian squad and all are hard countered and removed by just 1 squad of longbows
Imperials after the level buff are actually insanely powerful if you can keep them alive (same for all ranged really), per shot they can do 6k damage and with 25 models that stacks up quickly. Should definitely be High A tier.
Vanguard archers are my favourite. They cost only 160. They are very fast, have highest damage among blue/purple archers (not vassals), and their move and shoot can be useful sometimes.
Longbow is nice, but they don't target well, keep targeting closest and not at the circle. My long gets the surprise attack just to attack some other direction they I get notice and their longbow wipe mine lol, for me s teir if they shoot as intended then move to the next target
what the actual hell happened to my pavise crossbows??????? i returned to game few days ego and my pavise's damage is nonexistent! i had them maxed on level, with all epic doctrines, gem of my army. now in siege battles, feels like they cant kill anything at all!!!!! wtf? and meanwhile these spear wenches, from new season, are running around wiping floor with everything that moves.
Most of that list makes sense. But there are a few mistakes I think, I main ranged support for most battles. For one those rattan crossbows are not that good. They have very low range, and their base damage is bad. Namkin are far better without any doctrins on them. Put purple doctrins and they are just as good as long bow, but much cheaper. Those rattan cross bows are only good if you can get close to the enemy. I usually just snipe them with the namkins, they die in one hit. Even if they did survive the bleed will finish them off. Personally I don't recommend them anymore. They die way to easy. My namkins do 1800 per arrow and the bleed ranges about 600 and stacks up to 5. No other archer can come close to that damage aside from the long bows who hit about 2000 per arrow. Problem is they don't have any bleed or poison, it's just flat damage and cost way higher than namkins.
Well game is even worse than before covid, as always P2W, power Creep lack of balanc ei played little bit now and just remove game from ym steam list its not worth, also looks like ther eis no players cause you need wait 3 min + for normal sieges and over 5 min + for free battles.
Vanguard is actually the best on wall shooting archer u can move around dodging treb without losing dps. But its exhausting to always keep ur eyes on trebs
I like the list overall but to some units I have a different pov. The pavise are basically useless atm, the have overall the same dmg numbers as fe tercios but hit for a 1/4 of the dmg. The only good thing about them is you can place them and then go afk becuz they have that much ammo but that’s it. The imperial arkebusiers have the best dps in game and if played pretty close to frontline they do insanely well. Tercios best trade is they are tanky but the dps is not rly good, there burst is nice to ons hero’s but every musket unit with the 1 does basically the same. Shenji are the most accurate so snipping hero’s 80m away is acually not hard with them, there granates ons every ranger unit and almost fortes, they hit far better than tercios and harder too. So imo in every way better then there counterpart. Falcons and Flames are key units becuz of there aoe dmg, both have insane range, flames can’t hit up to 30m. Close range falcons are insane good in pushes. The rest I’m totally with you, and what you said about longbows is the reason I play them, it’s totally right.
pyro archer literraly ignore the burn resistance... any unit/hero hit 2 times will burn it was patched so that they could be played outside tier 3 lock .... and doesn't attack when it happens.... if vipers reduce dmg by 60% when hitting... pyros are not good for their dmg but their CC spam...
As far asI know, the damage of the flames don't ignore fire resistance even after they got their patch. They do inflict 2 secs CC on everyone, though. Their nodes are still not working, the patch said they do...but that was another lie, so save your honor points. Their range can be very good, and when you use Flaming Arrow + Arrow Rain (Doctrine) at the same time, Flaming Arrow causes 100% of damage without getting the damage reduction from Arrow Rain. The unit is very poor out of the tier lock.
@@666xurxo srry i explained myself badly... Basicaly : fire resistance related trait will reduce chance of being "ablaze" and reduce the damage you take from burn. On pyros: The "ablaze" or "alight" effect chance on the other side does not get reduced (it becomes 100% when hit 2 times) and so disables any unit 2 sec. Even tho dmg is reduced it's ridiculously high and with a flaming arrow proc you will burn out tier 5 like Iron reapers quite quickly
@@sythel4488 I love the unit...during the tier lock; but Plum is right here, after those initial two weeks they fall hard. I can tell you my Iron Reapers with over 1k piercing defence and 13k HP would laugh at your Incendiary archers. Hell!!, even my Haldberdier Sargeants with over 800 piercing defence will take them as a joke. No flaming damage to be noticed here.
I don't have the doctrine and rattans still annhilate everything. S tier all the way. Huge negatives against imperial arqs and archers is their crazy 255 L cost. Ruins both
Longbows are crap, all archers are crap; they don't have enough armor penetration, or/and the waiting time since the arrows are fired till they finally reach the target makes their damage easily avoidable. You can do well with them during the tier lock, and in some situations after, if you know how to use them. Most people don't know how to use them, they want to play the game, but they also want to be nowhere near the actual battle and that's why you see so many archers
Bruh, dont listen to only negatives of longbows. Theres a reason why they r so popular. Coz they actually do amazing work in wiping out ranged units. But just it wipes out ranged doesnt mean its ultimate S-tier coz enemy might not have many ranged units and thats when they become useless. Top S-tier should have high dmg so matter which unit they fight against.
@@rikrishshrestha5421 I don't need to "listen" to the negatives of this unit, I know them very well first hand. And yes, they are amazing against range units; but that's not the reason why they are so popular...I know that because most people don't use this unit in a specialised way, most people put them shooting whatever unit happens to be in the blob where the fight is going on, shields included. The reason why they are popular is that you can still get a few kills doing minimal DPS to the blob by being as far as possible from the actual fight.
I swear longbows aren’t that good they deal very little damage and shoot way to slow to actually matter if one of your archers die to them you usually just move your archers away before to many die
Maybe u havent maxed them out, plus increase rate of fire by doctrines ,and unlock unit tree nodes. They insta wipe any ranged unit if they can fire first. I mean for longbow vs longbow,whoever fires first volley gets the win.
My favorite archers are the ones that can function on the front line pushing aggressively and can also have the range with an arrow rain doctrine to snipe enemy ranged. My archer of choice is actually the Imperial archer due to being able to push behind a ball of our troops and use the precision volley to wipe out heroes and heavily armored troops. I've maxed out their ranged to 103 meters so they are closer the the longbowmen's ranged than the other archer units and I've also got the t5 arrow rain so I can actually snipe longbows sometimes. My other favorite ranged are the prefecture and the incendiary archers. Both perform well for their leadership. I'd really like if they made a gold tier archer unit that actually functions like archers and not like muskets like houndsmen. I don't like longbows because you can't push the frontline near as well as imperial archers or prefecture archers. But overall, nice list!
Great tier list, only thing i would argue is hounds man to A tier at least, everytime i play against them, they hit REALLY hard
I love Longbows, the fact that they can hard counter pretty much all ranged units alone,
the enemy have 2 shenjis, 1 houndsmen, 1 falco, 2 imp arqs, 2 rattan marksmen and a zykalian squad and all are hard countered and removed by just 1 squad of longbows
Imperials after the level buff are actually insanely powerful if you can keep them alive (same for all ranged really), per shot they can do 6k damage and with 25 models that stacks up quickly. Should definitely be High A tier.
btw, i dont see any imperial llongbowmen, did they get swapped to vassal longbowmen?
Vanguard archers are my favourite. They cost only 160. They are very fast, have highest damage among blue/purple archers (not vassals), and their move and shoot can be useful sometimes.
i better see my boy Rattan vipers in S tier xd i love such content. keep it up ^^
All the eu viewers came out for this one
Longbow is nice, but they don't target well, keep targeting closest and not at the circle. My long gets the surprise attack just to attack some other direction they I get notice and their longbow wipe mine lol, for me s teir if they shoot as intended then move to the next target
Did hounds men dirty.. BagenBoy is displeased.
Great content as always, m8! Most accurate tier list ❤
what the actual hell happened to my pavise crossbows??????? i returned to game few days ego and my pavise's damage is nonexistent! i had them maxed on level, with all epic doctrines, gem of my army. now in siege battles, feels like they cant kill anything at all!!!!! wtf?
and meanwhile these spear wenches, from new season, are running around wiping floor with everything that moves.
Most of that list makes sense. But there are a few mistakes I think, I main ranged support for most battles. For one those rattan crossbows are not that good. They have very low range, and their base damage is bad. Namkin are far better without any doctrins on them. Put purple doctrins and they are just as good as long bow, but much cheaper. Those rattan cross bows are only good if you can get close to the enemy. I usually just snipe them with the namkins, they die in one hit. Even if they did survive the bleed will finish them off. Personally I don't recommend them anymore. They die way to easy. My namkins do 1800 per arrow and the bleed ranges about 600 and stacks up to 5. No other archer can come close to that damage aside from the long bows who hit about 2000 per arrow. Problem is they don't have any bleed or poison, it's just flat damage and cost way higher than namkins.
Thx senior!
Well game is even worse than before covid, as always P2W, power Creep lack of balanc ei played little bit now and just remove game from ym steam list its not worth, also looks like ther eis no players cause you need wait 3 min + for normal sieges and over 5 min + for free battles.
Vanguard is actually the best on wall shooting archer u can move around dodging treb without losing dps. But its exhausting to always keep ur eyes on trebs
Is rattan maskmen poison the same as rattan viper poison? Is it reduce ememy damage as well or it just dealing damage?
Unfortunately, not, rattan marks just do higher damaging poisons, with a little slow.
I like the list overall but to some units I have a different pov.
The pavise are basically useless atm, the have overall the same dmg numbers as fe tercios but hit for a 1/4 of the dmg. The only good thing about them is you can place them and then go afk becuz they have that much ammo but that’s it.
The imperial arkebusiers have the best dps in game and if played pretty close to frontline they do insanely well.
Tercios best trade is they are tanky but the dps is not rly good, there burst is nice to ons hero’s but every musket unit with the 1 does basically the same.
Shenji are the most accurate so snipping hero’s 80m away is acually not hard with them, there granates ons every ranger unit and almost fortes, they hit far better than tercios and harder too. So imo in every way better then there counterpart.
Falcons and Flames are key units becuz of there aoe dmg, both have insane range, flames can’t hit up to 30m. Close range falcons are insane good in pushes.
The rest I’m totally with you, and what you said about longbows is the reason I play them, it’s totally right.
great list tyvm :D
Glad you enjoyed!
Great range tier list ❤❤❤❤
Thx a lot !
Number of range stats mean someting or it's not important ?
I was reading the bagpipes segue ability and it states it makes Allie’s immune to control effects. What is that?
hope u make a tier list for Cavalry soon?
Coming soon
What server do you play in?
EU1 crystal sea :)
Nice I play Eu2 Sicania
ironcap muskets are pretty amazing for a green unit in my opinion
pyro archer literraly ignore the burn resistance... any unit/hero hit 2 times will burn it was patched so that they could be played outside tier 3 lock .... and doesn't attack when it happens.... if vipers reduce dmg by 60% when hitting... pyros are not good for their dmg but their CC spam...
As far asI know, the damage of the flames don't ignore fire resistance even after they got their patch. They do inflict 2 secs CC on everyone, though. Their nodes are still not working, the patch said they do...but that was another lie, so save your honor points. Their range can be very good, and when you use Flaming Arrow + Arrow Rain (Doctrine) at the same time, Flaming Arrow causes 100% of damage without getting the damage reduction from Arrow Rain. The unit is very poor out of the tier lock.
@@666xurxo srry i explained myself badly... Basicaly : fire resistance related trait will reduce chance of being "ablaze" and reduce the damage you take from burn.
On pyros:
The "ablaze" or "alight" effect chance on the other side does not get reduced (it becomes 100% when hit 2 times) and so disables any unit 2 sec. Even tho dmg is reduced it's ridiculously high and with a flaming arrow proc you will burn out tier 5 like Iron reapers quite quickly
@@sythel4488 I love the unit...during the tier lock; but Plum is right here, after those initial two weeks they fall hard. I can tell you my Iron Reapers with over 1k piercing defence and 13k HP would laugh at your Incendiary archers. Hell!!, even my Haldberdier Sargeants with over 800 piercing defence will take them as a joke. No flaming damage to be noticed here.
There is much to discuss on this
I don't have the doctrine and rattans still annhilate everything. S tier all the way.
Huge negatives against imperial arqs and archers is their crazy 255 L cost. Ruins both
Link of where u did the tier list ?
Tier list maker, there's no link I made it myself
Longbow everywhere, that end up getting wipe by random hero.
Ty so much, you make a video i looking for. I love range units, when i will have my pc. I will play range soldiers only on conqueror's blade 😊
Pls don't. Bring only 1 range unit to battle, and don't get them out if your team already has 3 on the field.
In this video, why longbowmen is not the first place in the S ? You said before is anti range and better then gunner ?!
Longbows are crap, all archers are crap; they don't have enough armor penetration, or/and the waiting time since the arrows are fired till they finally reach the target makes their damage easily avoidable. You can do well with them during the tier lock, and in some situations after, if you know how to use them. Most people don't know how to use them, they want to play the game, but they also want to be nowhere near the actual battle and that's why you see so many archers
Bruh, dont listen to only negatives of longbows. Theres a reason why they r so popular. Coz they actually do amazing work in wiping out ranged units. But just it wipes out ranged doesnt mean its ultimate S-tier coz enemy might not have many ranged units and thats when they become useless. Top S-tier should have high dmg so matter which unit they fight against.
@@rikrishshrestha5421 I don't need to "listen" to the negatives of this unit, I know them very well first hand. And yes, they are amazing against range units; but that's not the reason why they are so popular...I know that because most people don't use this unit in a specialised way, most people put them shooting whatever unit happens to be in the blob where the fight is going on, shields included. The reason why they are popular is that you can still get a few kills doing minimal DPS to the blob by being as far as possible from the actual fight.
Range units like sniper units ☺
Saying that demense Arbalists do everything rattan marksmen do is a lil wrong, your rattan buddies don't break shields
Range tier list :
All trash, end of list!
I swear longbows aren’t that good they deal very little damage and shoot way to slow to actually matter if one of your archers die to them you usually just move your archers away before to many die
I disagree, mine will wipe a full stack of shenj in 2 vollys
Maybe u havent maxed them out, plus increase rate of fire by doctrines ,and unlock unit tree nodes. They insta wipe any ranged unit if they can fire first. I mean for longbow vs longbow,whoever fires first volley gets the win.
Demense is pronounced "DUH-MAIN" :)
😅 thanks
Range units bad.