And then Orpheus fell into a deep depression that provoked some nymphs into killing him for being so emo; At which point he was united in death with Eurydice by Hades. Because the moral is, even if death seems merciless, it eventually reunites everyone, just ya know, not on *your* terms.
From the version I read, they were Maenads. Orpheus's severed head was then thrown by the nymphs to a stream where his head manager to utter "Eyrydike". The gods were not cool with the murder of Orpheus, so they cursed the Maenads by turning them into trees.
@@mesektet5776 Those who know, know. No need to conflate the nymphs and maenads. Did your version of the myth have the bit where Hades was so moved that he shed tears of molten iron. That's metal af.
I like Neil Gaiman's take on it. The when he left the halls of Hades everyone there started to laugh, Orpheus was haunted by the echos of this laugher and took it personally. What if they were laughing at him, that there was nobody behind him and it was all a joke on his expense. Most stories have him turn back only steps before reaching the light so sure he was tricked only to find... he wasn't. And that was the cruelest thing of all, Hades had honored his part, Orpheus was the one that didn't.
this is closer to the version I remember being taught, that Orpheus was expecting a catch or trick from Hades (as pretty much every myth included a lesson on being wary of making deals with the gods), so when he began his silent climb back out of the underworld he let his doubt eat away at him until he was convinced he was being made a fool of, until he turned back right before the finish, finding the real trick had been Orpheus's own expectation of treachery, as Eurydice faded away.
@@pyrock0227 I remember that version from school as well. The part that stuck in my head was the footsteps, he couldn't hear her footsteps behind him forgetting that she was specter at the time so it ate at him until he finally gave in and turned.
I'll say, in honest, that Hades is one of the most fair and kindest Gods. Literally Persephone was his only sin and even then there are multiple sources that state Persephone was all for it by the end. But in terms of helping Heroes, Hades was actually one of the biggest bros despite his reputation. In fact, he had to add the condition, because he was essentially helping Orpheus break the laws. In reality, if he was like Zeus or Poseidon, it would've been MUCH, MUCH worse.
Yeah, I think people has it on Hades more because of his representations since the renaissance (for what I remember, correct me if I'm wrong), i'm not saying he is flawless, but come on, If I have to choose, Hades would be one of the "safest" bets
If anything Persephone was less a kidnapping and more an arranged marriage. Hades went about it properly for the traditions of the time, it was Zeus as Persephone's father that bungled it up because he was too much of a wuss to talk to Persephone's mom like an adult.
@@thegoodwillseventyseven also Zeus is her father and back then you only needed the fathers approval so technically he did things more or less correctly
I've heard of this tale ever since I was a kid, and every time I go back to it I always wince at the ending. The hero comes so close to getting his beloved back, only to fail at the last moment and doom both her and himself. It's heartwrenching 😟
Archaeological evidence indicates that Hades was likely created as a replacement for the original Poseidon of Mnoic mythology. Persephone has always been the queen of the underworld and in most ancient spells usually when you make a supplication, you ask for her, not Hades. Even in the few representations that exist of Hades in panels, Persephone is always represented in the foreground and Hades always appears in the background. Curious that in the animation they lined them up in more or less the same way.
5:17 I'm gonna have to speak in Hades' defense here because: 1. It was technically more of an arranged marriage. Not much better, but it wasn't really a kidnapping per se. 2. And getting away from that admittedly pedantic point, it was all Zeus' idea anyway. Zeus was a douchebag in the days of Ancient Greece. 3. And most importantly, Hades realized he made a mistake and, pomegranate seeds notwithstanding, he DID do right by Persephone and let her go back to see her mom again on realizing what Demeter was doing. 4. His dad DID eat him, Demeter, Hestia, Hera, and Poseidon when they were babies. If it weren't for Zeus and Metis, they'd still be in there and possibly even dead today. In fact, Hades and Persephone's relationship, while not always the most romantic in the traditional sense, is probably the most functional in all of the Greek pantheon!
Yeah, considering his relationship models are Kronos, who ate his own kids despite his wife loving them, and Zues, who ate his first wife and constantly cheats on his second.
I'm hearing Red from OSP here... but I'm with you there, I like her interpretation of the story better. ;D Plus I like the whole "Persephone and Demeter as gods are older than Hades, and of the co-rulers of the underworld she is the one you should be afraid of" thing.
The same thing happens to a woman in the bible only she was turned to stone due to the incredible power of God. As he was destroying a disgusting city.
“Hades wasn’t the kindest of gods.” Okay I’m just gonna stop you right there redirect your attention to Zeus and Poseidon as examples and then we’re gonna revisit your previous statement and why It’s wrong.
Yep, both of his brothers are mass murdering serial rapists. Hades just chills at home with his wife instead of starting conflicts like most of the rest of the gods.
And the abduction of persephone was with the permission of her father (zeus) and was basically an arranged marriage. It doesn't help that ancient Greek pottery used identical poses for when character were kidnapped or married.
Hades doesn't have to go out wreaking havoc and getting revenge. Every mortal comes to his domain, so if someone offends Hades, all he has to do is wait.
@@stephenkenny9093 Seriously. I love these guys. I really do. But by the gods, did they drop the ball on this one. Especially when you take into consideration they folks are supposed to be dedicated scholars and educators. For them to miss THIS of all things in regards to Greek mythology, this just smacks of half - assed, slipshod, careless, negligent, and slothful research and presentation.
I saw Hadestown right before COVID lockdown, at the end when he turns around it was almost silent. Except for the woman behind me who whispered just loud enough for me to hear a faint "dont!". Honestly I almost laughed
since you mentioned orpheus all I can really say is. "(Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) Yeah (Yes, the battleground's right here) (It's a man's world) (Come on) (Gotta get ready for this right here) (Hey, yo) Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality Never beat charity The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right) Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night) Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction Seize the moment, destroy the nation Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation Freaked out now, and dead on arrival (what?) Round up around, spit out, all over Rhyme like a rolling stone Comin' a crowd Watch out, they move, they diss you loud Guess what this sound, it bombs whole ground (So round up) Don't ease your pace, 'cause enemy's brutal Moment of truth, there ain't no truce You're the only one, one world, one love But the battle goes on, Shadows of mass destruction Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) Yeah (Yes, the battleground's right here) (It's a man's world) (Come on) (Gotta get ready for this right here) (Hey, yo) Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality Never beat charity The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right) Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night) Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction Seize the moment, destroy the nation Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation Freaked out now, and dead on arrival (what?) Round up around, spit out, all over Rhyme like a rolling stone Comin' a crowd Watch out, they move, they diss you loud Guess what this sound, it bombs whole ground (So round up) Don't ease your pace, 'cause enemy's brutal Moment of truth, there ain't no truce You're the only one, one world, one love But the battle goes on, Shadows of mass destruction Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada Ooh yeah Dada-dada, dada-dada Baby, baby Da-dada-dada, dada-dada (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) (Baby, baby, baby) Yeah (Yes, the battleground's right here) (It's a man's world) (Come on) (Gotta get ready for this right here) (Hey, yo) Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality Never beat charity The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right) Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night) Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction Seize the moment, destroy the nation Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation"
Stalwart Hades and Dread Persephone are my favorite characters from Greek mythos. Like his parody of a character in the Disney film, unlike his younger brothers lounging about and and looking for the next mortal to get with, he is fully committed to his duties and would not allow anyone pull a fast one on him without a fight.
Well the theory goes that as a shade she isn't able to leave the underworld. So there is a chance she just got held at the entrance waiting for orpheus to turn around. Also I find it funny that you don't complete the story, because there is more after that event. Orpheus got so upset that he sang depressing songs causing people to take their own lives, and crops wouldn't grow. When the people had enough of him they killed him, cut him up into pieces, and threw his remains in a river.
@@averynewtown2782 Yeah, it's pretty weird how they're trying to make it seem that Hades is the evil one between the three brothers. He's pretty consistently one of the chillest of the major gods.
@@Will-fl3hj He still wouldn't suffer fools. Someone demanding their loved one returned and thinking it could just be done? Like I said it was only a theory that shades can't leave the underworld.
There seems to be different stories about how he died. I imagine when he finally came back Eurydice was mad at him for acting like he cares so much about her, and then taking his sweet time coming back for her after she wasn't allowed to leave.
I remember the story not ending there. Orpheus in his grief took a rock and started hitting the strings of his instrument, creating such sounds that killed vegetation and made women barren and so a group of women came upon him and killed him to stop their barrenness
Wait a minute… interesting parallels between Orpheus and Izanagi and Izanami. I thought “save your dead wife from the underworld, but turn around on the way out and everything goes wrong” sounded familiar.
I feel like it's important to mention that Orpheus was not only a demi-god, but he was the son of Apollo and Calliope, one of the muses, that's why he was so good with poetry and music, straight up in his blood
Ive never heard thus version before, I've heard the one where right before Orpheus actually gets outside he turns around and the sane thing happens, teaching the value of patience, buy I really like this version and love your perspective on it! Great video as always yall👍👍
It’s interesting to think of the Greek heroes in modern terms: Orpheus as a rock star, Phaethon as a teenager taking his dad’s car on a joyride, Apollo as a jock (in the story of Apollo and Daphne, at least). I’m sure there are other comparisons to be made, but that’s just off the top of my head.
There’s a similar tale like in The Silmarillion where Lúthien after she died went to the Judge of the dead (Mandos) and pled her case that her beloved (Beren) to restored who died saving her people’s lands from a werewolf.
I went to an RPG "game night" at a bar and wound up playing something like this. I played a version of Orpheus. When we started on the way back after being told I couldn't look at her, I did the Edepius thing and tried to rip my own eyes out. After all, you can't see someone without eyes. It threw the GM for a loop. But my roll was so bad I wound up bleeding to death anyway. (Only to be faced by the "it was all a dream" trope.)
This story stood out to me because it felt so human. Who wouldn't doubt Hades when you don't hear any footsteps? Who wouldn't want to turn and hopefully see their loved one before leaving the underworld? Orpheus was dumb, but that's what made him seem real.
Orpheus and Euridice were the subject of the very first Opera ever written. They've also been the subject of more Operas than any other characters. If Operaman had a name, it would be Orpheus.
Really sad what happened to Orpheus, and how the gods can be so cruel to play tricks on mortals. Bro just wanted to see his wife. I remember hearing this story in Percy Jackson, and I was devastated that he didn't just wait a bit longer.
Eurydice, dying now a second time, uttered no complaint against her husband. What was there to complain of, but that she had been loved?” And: Perhaps he makes a choice. He chooses the memory of her. That’s why he turns. He doesn’t make the lover’s choice, but the poet’s. Céline Sciamma, Portrait of a Lady on Fire
The myth of Orpheus is definitely a great story. It shows that there’s always a price for everything. Orpheus thought he could waltz into Hades’ realm and defy him in order to get his beloved Eurydice back. Unfortunately, though, he didn’t know that the Lord of the Underworld is a clever god and is always prepared. He gave Orpheus the condition to not to look at Eurydice until they exited the Underworld knowing he would be tempted to do so. And he was right. Great job, guys! 😎👍🏻
Rule 1 in myth: Don't cheat Death in whatever form they decide to be in. It never works, you always fail, and there may be even worse consequences if you tried.
In a version of the story I heard,Orpheus had wanted to see her purposefully when walking towards the surface,and thought nothing would happen if he took a quick look.
I have to disagree with some of the characterization here. Orpheus didn't enter the underworld because he was a celebrity with a bloated ego who thought he could get whatever he wanted; he went in because he didn't care if he lived or died. He didn't expect Hades to just grant his request. Orpheus literally entered the realm of death because life without Eurydice was unbearable. There's a lot more pathos to the story than is shown. If you want to see a really excellent adaptation, read Neil Gaiman's Song of Orpheus. That's the real deal right there.
Calling trekking through the underworld and playing the world's most beautiful song in an attempt to convince _HADES_ that your love had lost her life too soon the "easy way out" is a hell of a take.
I love this story, because it says everything about the one telling it. Its three stories depending on the teller. Your processing a great loss? Walking away without one last look at her? Impossible. Joining her in the underworld might reunite you, but it doesn't save her. Deeply in love? Joining her in the underworld is the romantics choice. Romio and Juliet. To loose that love twice and carry on seems like madness. Not in love or loss? Its a story about carefree huberus... Prides rise and the fall.
Wow, you guys reeeeeeeeeally put your own spin on this myth, didn't you? Wholeheartedly aprove of all the references to Hades the video game though, that wins back some points.
Another story that is similar here btw is the story of Alcestis. She sacrificed herself for her husband, and when Heracles heard this, he wrestled with Thanatos, and then convinced Persephone to let her go back to life. She actually DID come back, she just couldn’t talk for 3 days, as she’d been dead 3 days.
4:03 And he played the first thing that came to his head. It just so happened to be, the best song in the underworld. It was the best song in the underworld. Look into my eyes and it's easy to see, one and one make two, two and one make three. It was destiny... Needless to say, Hades was stunned.
Honestly, I’ve lived the life of Orpheus in a metaphorical sense. I’ve admittedly had more chances after looking back to make sure he was there but I can only hope I haven’t used up my chances
Let us never forget the master of going into the underworld of two worlds and climbing out of, damned be any creature or god. Kratos, the Ghost of Sparta… By this point, underworlds are just the 7 Elevens of errand running levels of regularity
I actually have read this story and heard it told many times by people who studied this in college. And sadly this isn’t all accurate but pretty close.
My favorite movie is Portrait of a Lady on Fire, it suggests that Orpheus turned around on purpose for poetic reasons and honesty that movie is a masterpiece that actually captures the meaning of the myth so well
Hey Orpheus was a hero in Greek myth, and often Greek heroes can't seem to be true heroes unless they've gone to the underworld and come back in one piece.
I love that you did your best to avoid the strong artistic influence siren of Supergiant's Hades, but it sneaked in here and there inevitably. Truly there is no escape. Though the Supergiant version of Orpheus as emo hair metal icon is amazing...
Orphism was a mystery cult in ancient Greece and ancient Rome. They were vegetarians due to their explicit belief in cycles of reincarnation. Wider Greek faiths may have believed in reincarnation too, it's not entirely clear but the Pythagorean and Orphic cults certainly did but the Orphics explicitly avoided killing animals as a result. They also had singificant overlap with the DIonysians as seen by the involvement of returning from death, sparagmos in the story and the focus on theater. Orpheus was not a god to the Orphics but they may have seen him as a mortal extension of Dionysian principles. They were very focused on symbolic rites, poetry and music and also seem to have had a reputation for being very vocally righteous and moralistic. They also seem to have had some degree of crossover with the cult of Demeter and Persephone, a cult which boasted the longest recorded observance of a religious ceremony and was likely one of the oldest organised religions in the history of the world when it finally fizzled out in the 5th century CE.
I've heard this story plenty before, but this is the first I'd ever thought about how the hands were already wrapped around her by the time he turned around. Hades held her back to cause her to lag behind!
I'm coming, wait for me I hear the walls repeating The falling of our feet and It sounds like drumming And we are not alone I hear the rocks and stones Echoing our song I'm coming
I'd always heard it that is was Hades moved to tears by the performance and Persephone was the one who added the stipulation to keep Orpheus from just waltzing out unchallenged.
Tbf one version of the myth *_does_* see Orpheus attempt to appeal to Aïdoneus' humanity; Ovid in his _Metamorphoses_ recounts how Orpheus, standing b4 the dread king of the shades and his queen, sang of how Love even has power down here in Erebos, the two having been united in love, no doubt imploring Hades to empathize with him in his' greiving his wife's absence.
That was great! The only thing I am a little bit disappointed about is that you didn't play the finale of Offenbachs - Orpheus in the underworld overture at some point.
Euridice actually died by falling into a den of vipers while fleeing from a satyr who wanted to... R-Word her as he was overcome with lust looking at her. Hades is the nicest of the three brothers. He never interferes with the lives of mortals, unlike his other relatives who cause most of Greek legends. Hades always keeps his end of deals as he is the most honorable of the Gods. Hades never did anything after he let Orpheus lead Euridice to the World of the Living, the only thing that made Orpheus turn to look back was his own paranoia and distrust in Hades. Hades set out the rules to bring her back, but Orpheus failed to follow through all the way cause at the last second he turned to look at her. Hades had full intent on letting Euridice rejoin the World of the Living, but he couldn't just break the rules of nature but had to set requirements for Orpheus to earn her return.
Some version of Greek Myths said Hades could see all human fates, in which case he knew that Orpheus would look and condemned Euridices back to the land of the dead. So, like all things with these stories, it does depend on which version of the myths you were told.
@@GildedmuseI'd argue those aren't mutually exclusive. In that paradigm, Hades set generous terms and stood by them, secure in the knowledge that Orpheus would doom himself in exactly that situation. By letting it play out that way, Hades upholds his rules but shows compassion in that it *should* have been possible for Orpheus to get Eurydice back if only he could have trusted Hades. It left him above reproach, and Orpheus conceded his loss after that.
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First yes i am first also like your videos keep up the good work
Thanks! Gonna keep it in mind!
@extra. So why didn't you finish the story? There is a bit more after that part.
Also, your whole bit about 'no one denying death', look up 'Heracles and Alcestis' and then get back to me.
back on the game hades so soon? ;D
And then Orpheus fell into a deep depression that provoked some nymphs into killing him for being so emo; At which point he was united in death with Eurydice by Hades. Because the moral is, even if death seems merciless, it eventually reunites everyone, just ya know, not on *your* terms.
From the version I read, they were Maenads. Orpheus's severed head was then thrown by the nymphs to a stream where his head manager to utter "Eyrydike". The gods were not cool with the murder of Orpheus, so they cursed the Maenads by turning them into trees.
@@StonegazeSteam my versions had that too. But if I wrote “Marnada” I didn’t think as many folks would get the gist.
@@mesektet5776 Those who know, know. No need to conflate the nymphs and maenads. Did your version of the myth have the bit where Hades was so moved that he shed tears of molten iron. That's metal af.
@@StonegazeSteam A tear. Only one.
@@mesektet5776 Oh right, forgot that one.
I like Neil Gaiman's take on it. The when he left the halls of Hades everyone there started to laugh, Orpheus was haunted by the echos of this laugher and took it personally. What if they were laughing at him, that there was nobody behind him and it was all a joke on his expense. Most stories have him turn back only steps before reaching the light so sure he was tricked only to find... he wasn't. And that was the cruelest thing of all, Hades had honored his part, Orpheus was the one that didn't.
this is closer to the version I remember being taught, that Orpheus was expecting a catch or trick from Hades (as pretty much every myth included a lesson on being wary of making deals with the gods), so when he began his silent climb back out of the underworld he let his doubt eat away at him until he was convinced he was being made a fool of, until he turned back right before the finish, finding the real trick had been Orpheus's own expectation of treachery, as Eurydice faded away.
@@pyrock0227 I remember that version from school as well. The part that stuck in my head was the footsteps, he couldn't hear her footsteps behind him forgetting that she was specter at the time so it ate at him until he finally gave in and turned.
Wait where did he write this? I’ve only read coraline and good omens and a bit of sandman
@@ApplePi3.1415 Sandman, issue zero I think which is the story of Orpheus (bonus comic).
I'll say, in honest, that Hades is one of the most fair and kindest Gods. Literally Persephone was his only sin and even then there are multiple sources that state Persephone was all for it by the end. But in terms of helping Heroes, Hades was actually one of the biggest bros despite his reputation. In fact, he had to add the condition, because he was essentially helping Orpheus break the laws. In reality, if he was like Zeus or Poseidon, it would've been MUCH, MUCH worse.
Also Zeus was the one to suggest it and approved the plan when Hades asked for advice, so his crime is listening to Zeus
He’s Tia and Prometheus beg to differ
Yeah, I think people has it on Hades more because of his representations since the renaissance (for what I remember, correct me if I'm wrong), i'm not saying he is flawless, but come on, If I have to choose, Hades would be one of the "safest" bets
If anything Persephone was less a kidnapping and more an arranged marriage. Hades went about it properly for the traditions of the time, it was Zeus as Persephone's father that bungled it up because he was too much of a wuss to talk to Persephone's mom like an adult.
@@thegoodwillseventyseven also Zeus is her father and back then you only needed the fathers approval so technically he did things more or less correctly
I've heard of this tale ever since I was a kid, and every time I go back to it I always wince at the ending. The hero comes so close to getting his beloved back, only to fail at the last moment and doom both her and himself. It's heartwrenching 😟
well that isn't the ending lol. After that it gets a lot darker.
@@YukoValis Add in some wine and frenzy and you have one torn apart poet lol!
thank you for summarizing 😐 this is so profound 😐😐
Archaeological evidence indicates that Hades was likely created as a replacement for the original Poseidon of Mnoic mythology. Persephone has always been the queen of the underworld and in most ancient spells usually when you make a supplication, you ask for her, not Hades. Even in the few representations that exist of Hades in panels, Persephone is always represented in the foreground and Hades always appears in the background. Curious that in the animation they lined them up in more or less the same way.
5:17 I'm gonna have to speak in Hades' defense here because:
1. It was technically more of an arranged marriage. Not much better, but it wasn't really a kidnapping per se.
2. And getting away from that admittedly pedantic point, it was all Zeus' idea anyway. Zeus was a douchebag in the days of Ancient Greece.
3. And most importantly, Hades realized he made a mistake and, pomegranate seeds notwithstanding, he DID do right by Persephone and let her go back to see her mom again on realizing what Demeter was doing.
4. His dad DID eat him, Demeter, Hestia, Hera, and Poseidon when they were babies. If it weren't for Zeus and Metis, they'd still be in there and possibly even dead today.
In fact, Hades and Persephone's relationship, while not always the most romantic in the traditional sense, is probably the most functional in all of the Greek pantheon!
I sort of did the same as you only an hour after you had posted this, my apologies I wrote it with no knowledge of this, thanks for doing it so well 👏
Yeah, considering his relationship models are Kronos, who ate his own kids despite his wife loving them, and Zues, who ate his first wife and constantly cheats on his second.
I'm hearing Red from OSP here... but I'm with you there, I like her interpretation of the story better. ;D Plus I like the whole "Persephone and Demeter as gods are older than Hades, and of the co-rulers of the underworld she is the one you should be afraid of" thing.
I like Orpheus's tale because it reminds me I'm not the only one who would look back despite being told not to
An ancient grecian- circa 500bc
It is an oddly human failing for a Greek hero.
@@Jacob-ge1pybasically the entire point of greek heroes is they are extraordinary people with normal failings, usually pride or anger something.
Yeah you Orpheus, lot's wife...it always works out....😅😊
The same thing happens to a woman in the bible only she was turned to stone due to the incredible power of God. As he was destroying a disgusting city.
“Hades wasn’t the kindest of gods.”
Okay I’m just gonna stop you right there redirect your attention to Zeus and Poseidon as examples and then we’re gonna revisit your previous statement and why It’s wrong.
THANK YOU! Also, it seems like someone is also forgetting that said father also ATE Hades when he was born. So, yeah.
Yep, both of his brothers are mass murdering serial rapists. Hades just chills at home with his wife instead of starting conflicts like most of the rest of the gods.
And the abduction of persephone was with the permission of her father (zeus) and was basically an arranged marriage.
It doesn't help that ancient Greek pottery used identical poses for when character were kidnapped or married.
Hades doesn't have to go out wreaking havoc and getting revenge. Every mortal comes to his domain, so if someone offends Hades, all he has to do is wait.
@@stephenkenny9093 Seriously. I love these guys. I really do. But by the gods, did they drop the ball on this one. Especially when you take into consideration they folks are supposed to be dedicated scholars and educators. For them to miss THIS of all things in regards to Greek mythology, this just smacks of half - assed, slipshod, careless, negligent, and slothful research and presentation.
I saw Hadestown right before COVID lockdown, at the end when he turns around it was almost silent. Except for the woman behind me who whispered just loud enough for me to hear a faint "dont!". Honestly I almost laughed
That's how you know a story is compelling - when the audience knows the end but still wants it to be different
Like Titanic lol
When I watched it someone in the theater screeched “HE FUCKING LOOKED!!!!!!” And it made everyone laugh
@@poop696969poop yeah that's like, the whole point of Hadestown
I saw it yesterday. This is a well timed video
@@sage4365 Why do we build the wall?
We build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
since you mentioned orpheus all I can really say is.
"(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
Yeah
(Yes, the battleground's right here)
(It's a man's world)
(Come on)
(Gotta get ready for this right here)
(Hey, yo)
Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality
Never beat charity
The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right)
Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night)
Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction
Seize the moment, destroy the nation
Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation
Freaked out now, and dead on arrival (what?)
Round up around, spit out, all over
Rhyme like a rolling stone
Comin' a crowd
Watch out, they move, they diss you loud
Guess what this sound, it bombs whole ground
(So round up)
Don't ease your pace, 'cause enemy's brutal
Moment of truth, there ain't no truce
You're the only one, one world, one love
But the battle goes on, Shadows of mass destruction
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
Yeah
(Yes, the battleground's right here)
(It's a man's world)
(Come on)
(Gotta get ready for this right here)
(Hey, yo)
Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality
Never beat charity
The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right)
Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night)
Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction
Seize the moment, destroy the nation
Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation
Freaked out now, and dead on arrival (what?)
Round up around, spit out, all over
Rhyme like a rolling stone
Comin' a crowd
Watch out, they move, they diss you loud
Guess what this sound, it bombs whole ground
(So round up)
Don't ease your pace, 'cause enemy's brutal
Moment of truth, there ain't no truce
You're the only one, one world, one love
But the battle goes on, Shadows of mass destruction
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
Ooh yeah
Dada-dada, dada-dada
Baby, baby
Da-dada-dada, dada-dada
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
(Baby, baby, baby)
Yeah
(Yes, the battleground's right here)
(It's a man's world)
(Come on)
(Gotta get ready for this right here)
(Hey, yo)
Fear's awake, anger beats loud, face reality
Never beat charity
The enemy you're fighting covers all society (damn right)
Mommy's not here, gotta fight (all night)
Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction
Seize the moment, destroy the nation
Your rhyme is slow-motion, give me motivation"
"I am thou... thou art I... From the sea of thy soul, I cometh... I am Orpheus, master of strings..."
"When you're going through hell, keep going" - Winston Churchill
Stalwart Hades and Dread Persephone are my favorite characters from Greek mythos. Like his parody of a character in the Disney film, unlike his younger brothers lounging about and and looking for the next mortal to get with, he is fully committed to his duties and would not allow anyone pull a fast one on him without a fight.
To be fair to Hades about the dad imprisonment, his dad did kinda eat him and his siblings that one time
THAT ONE TIME.
Well the theory goes that as a shade she isn't able to leave the underworld. So there is a chance she just got held at the entrance waiting for orpheus to turn around. Also I find it funny that you don't complete the story, because there is more after that event. Orpheus got so upset that he sang depressing songs causing people to take their own lives, and crops wouldn't grow. When the people had enough of him they killed him, cut him up into pieces, and threw his remains in a river.
That theory isn't very good. Hades was a romantic and he doesnt have a big history of tricking people.
@@averynewtown2782 Yeah, it's pretty weird how they're trying to make it seem that Hades is the evil one between the three brothers. He's pretty consistently one of the chillest of the major gods.
@@Will-fl3hj He's also a bit of a stickler for rules and duty whereas his brothers tend to... be creative with them if it suits them.
@@Will-fl3hj He still wouldn't suffer fools. Someone demanding their loved one returned and thinking it could just be done? Like I said it was only a theory that shades can't leave the underworld.
There seems to be different stories about how he died. I imagine when he finally came back Eurydice was mad at him for acting like he cares so much about her, and then taking his sweet time coming back for her after she wasn't allowed to leave.
I remember the story not ending there. Orpheus in his grief took a rock and started hitting the strings of his instrument, creating such sounds that killed vegetation and made women barren and so a group of women came upon him and killed him to stop their barrenness
Wait a minute… interesting parallels between Orpheus and Izanagi and Izanami. I thought “save your dead wife from the underworld, but turn around on the way out and everything goes wrong” sounded familiar.
There's also a similar story with Coyote that I recently heard at a storytelling event. It was really good. Well told.
I feel like it's important to mention that Orpheus was not only a demi-god, but he was the son of Apollo and Calliope, one of the muses, that's why he was so good with poetry and music, straight up in his blood
Hades: _"Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy but ever-so-crucial little tiny detail? I OWN YOU!"_
Ive never heard thus version before, I've heard the one where right before Orpheus actually gets outside he turns around and the sane thing happens, teaching the value of patience, buy I really like this version and love your perspective on it! Great video as always yall👍👍
It’s interesting to think of the Greek heroes in modern terms: Orpheus as a rock star, Phaethon as a teenager taking his dad’s car on a joyride, Apollo as a jock (in the story of Apollo and Daphne, at least).
I’m sure there are other comparisons to be made, but that’s just off the top of my head.
Orpheus: oh no, my lover’s dead
Orpheus: *grabs his harp* It’s ‘Orphin Time
Hmm. Thats the first time ive heard Orpheus failed literally at the finish line instead of succumbing to doubt and looking back b4 he got out.
1:33 as a Canadian I appreciate the shoutout to Alanis
There’s a similar tale like in The Silmarillion where Lúthien after she died went to the Judge of the dead (Mandos) and pled her case that her beloved (Beren) to restored who died saving her people’s lands from a werewolf.
I really like all the easter eggs from the game Hades. I love that game and im glad that i now get the backstory of two of its characters.
I loved that game and surprised how much I already knew when I watched this video.
This story is my favorite musical ever!!! Hadestown is the name of the Broadway show and it is absolutely fantastic.
I went to an RPG "game night" at a bar and wound up playing something like this. I played a version of Orpheus. When we started on the way back after being told I couldn't look at her, I did the Edepius thing and tried to rip my own eyes out. After all, you can't see someone without eyes. It threw the GM for a loop. But my roll was so bad I wound up bleeding to death anyway. (Only to be faced by the "it was all a dream" trope.)
"Thou art I... And I am thou... From the sea of thy soul I cometh... I am Orpheus, master of strings..."
This story stood out to me because it felt so human. Who wouldn't doubt Hades when you don't hear any footsteps? Who wouldn't want to turn and hopefully see their loved one before leaving the underworld?
Orpheus was dumb, but that's what made him seem real.
02:06 Why everyone keeps forgetting that also Psyche and Aeneas did the same thing?!
Orpheus and Euridice were the subject of the very first Opera ever written.
They've also been the subject of more Operas than any other characters.
If Operaman had a name, it would be Orpheus.
I literally went to see Hadestown a few weeks ago, I find it funny this video comes out now.
I've heard/seen many versions of the myth of Orpheus, and this one is one of if not the best one I've ever heard
In the version of the myth I grew up on Eurydice was chased by an *excited* Satyr into a nest of vipers
Ditto.
For a great retelling of this with some amazing music, see Hadestown.
inb4 Orpheus is the 3rd Primed Soul in ULTRAKILL
Really sad what happened to Orpheus, and how the gods can be so cruel to play tricks on mortals. Bro just wanted to see his wife. I remember hearing this story in Percy Jackson, and I was devastated that he didn't just wait a bit longer.
I like how a lot of the background and character art used was inspired by the Hades game. Props to the artists, as always
Yes! I absolutely love wednesdays for this! Keep them coming guys!❤❤
Totally agree! ❤
And then he became famous by being a starter persona
Eurydice, dying now a second time, uttered no complaint against her husband. What was there to complain of, but that she had been loved?”
And:
Perhaps he makes a choice. He chooses the memory of her. That’s why he turns. He doesn’t make the lover’s choice, but the poet’s.
Céline Sciamma, Portrait of a Lady on Fire
In one telling of the myth, Orpheus really loses his head over his failure to bring back Eurydice.
I love how u guys used the hades game characters in this vid.Loved it sm
The myth of Orpheus is definitely a great story. It shows that there’s always a price for everything. Orpheus thought he could waltz into Hades’ realm and defy him in order to get his beloved Eurydice back. Unfortunately, though, he didn’t know that the Lord of the Underworld is a clever god and is always prepared. He gave Orpheus the condition to not to look at Eurydice until they exited the Underworld knowing he would be tempted to do so. And he was right.
Great job, guys! 😎👍🏻
truth is Hades is probably the best male god from the greek mythology
Your so good at telling stories man you deserve to be famous
really happy you guys are launching your own streaming service that’s actually very smart
Rule 1 in myth: Don't cheat Death in whatever form they decide to be in. It never works, you always fail, and there may be even worse consequences if you tried.
Hadestown is inspired by this story. It’s such a good show. Worth checking out
"Way down, Hadestown, way down under the ground!"
5:14 Hades' father did eat him, so it makes sense that Hades wouldn't be so kind to him.
2:20 bro it's so hilariously uncomfortable seeing the EC/EH style characters with arms
In a version of the story I heard,Orpheus had wanted to see her purposefully when walking towards the surface,and thought nothing would happen if he took a quick look.
You’re never gonna believe this, but a few weeks ago, I saw Hadestown on Broadway!
This could have also been called "so you haven't seen Hades Town"
I have to disagree with some of the characterization here. Orpheus didn't enter the underworld because he was a celebrity with a bloated ego who thought he could get whatever he wanted; he went in because he didn't care if he lived or died. He didn't expect Hades to just grant his request. Orpheus literally entered the realm of death because life without Eurydice was unbearable. There's a lot more pathos to the story than is shown. If you want to see a really excellent adaptation, read Neil Gaiman's Song of Orpheus. That's the real deal right there.
Calling trekking through the underworld and playing the world's most beautiful song in an attempt to convince _HADES_ that your love had lost her life too soon the "easy way out" is a hell of a take.
I love this story, because it says everything about the one telling it. Its three stories depending on the teller.
Your processing a great loss? Walking away without one last look at her? Impossible. Joining her in the underworld might reunite you, but it doesn't save her.
Deeply in love? Joining her in the underworld is the romantics choice. Romio and Juliet. To loose that love twice and carry on seems like madness.
Not in love or loss? Its a story about carefree huberus... Prides rise and the fall.
“I’m is a glass cage of emotion” Ron Burgundy 1:41
7:23 Every Supervillain ever:
Wow, you guys reeeeeeeeeally put your own spin on this myth, didn't you?
Wholeheartedly aprove of all the references to Hades the video game though, that wins back some points.
That last little visual “Ironic” gag got me 😂 love you guys so much
ORPHEUS!
Another story that is similar here btw is the story of Alcestis. She sacrificed herself for her husband, and when Heracles heard this, he wrestled with Thanatos, and then convinced Persephone to let her go back to life. She actually DID come back, she just couldn’t talk for 3 days, as she’d been dead 3 days.
This isn't the greatest song in the world, this is just a tribute!
Memento Mori. "Remember you have to die."
So pour the wine and raise a cup, drink up, brother, you know how. And spill a drop for Orpheus, wherever he is now
4:03
And he played the first thing that came to his head.
It just so happened to be, the best song in the underworld.
It was the best song in the underworld.
Look into my eyes and it's easy to see,
one and one make two, two and one make three.
It was destiny...
Needless to say, Hades was stunned.
Honestly, I’ve lived the life of Orpheus in a metaphorical sense. I’ve admittedly had more chances after looking back to make sure he was there but I can only hope I haven’t used up my chances
“Hey! You can’t be down here!”
*plays lute*
“Dang bro, didn’t know you were chill like that”
Let us never forget the master of going into the underworld of two worlds and climbing out of, damned be any creature or god. Kratos, the Ghost of Sparta…
By this point, underworlds are just the 7 Elevens of errand running levels of regularity
If Doom Slayer exists and he is killing demons in hell, then hell doesnt sound so bad
I actually have read this story and heard it told many times by people who studied this in college. And sadly this isn’t all accurate but pretty close.
“You can’t defy death to the god if death’s face”
Son Wukong: “hold my beer”
My favorite movie is Portrait of a Lady on Fire, it suggests that Orpheus turned around on purpose for poetic reasons and honesty that movie is a masterpiece that actually captures the meaning of the myth so well
I like the version to where he gets impatient right as he sees the light at the end of the tunnel, and looks back just BEFORE the finish line.
By sheer luck I saw this video just before watching Portrait of a Lady on Fire for the first time and man am I glad I did.
More mythology? Yes please!
This created such a good musical
4:15 Sisyphus was in tartarus, not hades.
Hey Orpheus was a hero in Greek myth, and often Greek heroes can't seem to be true heroes unless they've gone to the underworld and come back in one piece.
Did you know on the road to hell there was a railroad line
9:15 love it 😍
I love that you did your best to avoid the strong artistic influence siren of Supergiant's Hades, but it sneaked in here and there inevitably. Truly there is no escape.
Though the Supergiant version of Orpheus as emo hair metal icon is amazing...
Why did they always try to bring them back. Why not join them. Seems like everyone was just chilling in the underworld.
Orphism was a mystery cult in ancient Greece and ancient Rome. They were vegetarians due to their explicit belief in cycles of reincarnation. Wider Greek faiths may have believed in reincarnation too, it's not entirely clear but the Pythagorean and Orphic cults certainly did but the Orphics explicitly avoided killing animals as a result. They also had singificant overlap with the DIonysians as seen by the involvement of returning from death, sparagmos in the story and the focus on theater. Orpheus was not a god to the Orphics but they may have seen him as a mortal extension of Dionysian principles. They were very focused on symbolic rites, poetry and music and also seem to have had a reputation for being very vocally righteous and moralistic. They also seem to have had some degree of crossover with the cult of Demeter and Persephone, a cult which boasted the longest recorded observance of a religious ceremony and was likely one of the oldest organised religions in the history of the world when it finally fizzled out in the 5th century CE.
I’m pretty sure the reason Hades had his dad locked up in his basement was because his dad literally ate him when he was a newborn baby
I've heard this story plenty before, but this is the first I'd ever thought about how the hands were already wrapped around her by the time he turned around. Hades held her back to cause her to lag behind!
Orpheus really went Way Down to save his beloved.
I'm coming, wait for me
I hear the walls repeating
The falling of our feet and
It sounds like drumming
And we are not alone
I hear the rocks and stones
Echoing our song
I'm coming
1:37 I'm in a glass case of emotion!
step one: go to hell.
step two: kill hades dog.
step three: kidnapped Persephone.
step four: kill hades.
step five: refuse to elaborate further.
step six: *Leave*
I'd always heard it that is was Hades moved to tears by the performance and Persephone was the one who added the stipulation to keep Orpheus from just waltzing out unchallenged.
It's kind of a missed opportunity to not even mention Hadestown in the video
Real
Tbf one version of the myth *_does_* see Orpheus attempt to appeal to Aïdoneus' humanity; Ovid in his _Metamorphoses_ recounts how Orpheus, standing b4 the dread king of the shades and his queen, sang of how Love even has power down here in Erebos, the two having been united in love, no doubt imploring Hades to empathize with him in his' greiving his wife's absence.
That was great! The only thing I am a little bit disappointed about is that you didn't play the finale of Offenbachs - Orpheus in the underworld overture at some point.
I like the references to the Hades game in this. And I like in that game that after Orpheus died he was able to eventually be reunited with his wife
Anyone else has seen/listened to the musical Hadestown?
Euridice actually died by falling into a den of vipers while fleeing from a satyr who wanted to... R-Word her as he was overcome with lust looking at her.
Hades is the nicest of the three brothers. He never interferes with the lives of mortals, unlike his other relatives who cause most of Greek legends. Hades always keeps his end of deals as he is the most honorable of the Gods.
Hades never did anything after he let Orpheus lead Euridice to the World of the Living, the only thing that made Orpheus turn to look back was his own paranoia and distrust in Hades. Hades set out the rules to bring her back, but Orpheus failed to follow through all the way cause at the last second he turned to look at her. Hades had full intent on letting Euridice rejoin the World of the Living, but he couldn't just break the rules of nature but had to set requirements for Orpheus to earn her return.
Some version of Greek Myths said Hades could see all human fates, in which case he knew that Orpheus would look and condemned Euridices back to the land of the dead. So, like all things with these stories, it does depend on which version of the myths you were told.
@@GildedmuseI'd argue those aren't mutually exclusive. In that paradigm, Hades set generous terms and stood by them, secure in the knowledge that Orpheus would doom himself in exactly that situation. By letting it play out that way, Hades upholds his rules but shows compassion in that it *should* have been possible for Orpheus to get Eurydice back if only he could have trusted Hades. It left him above reproach, and Orpheus conceded his loss after that.
Orpheus is one of my favourite Greek mythic figures
Dude literally could've just said "hey Eurydice you still following me right?" and everything wouldve been peachy!