Titanic's early design - how did it change?
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- On July 29, 1908, a party of four White Star Line directors were presented a detailed blueprint for an exciting new series of ships to be constructed by Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast. This blueprint - known as the 'Design D' concept - would lay the foundation for what would become the Olympic, Titanic and Britannic.
in this video I review some of the key changes that were implemented to the design - and one that was re-instated for the final liner.
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0:00 Introduction
0:48 Why Was Titanic Planned?
1:53 The Titanic Design D Drawing Overview
2:21 The Missing Mast
3:14 The Lifeboats
3:41 Second Class Superstructure and Decking
4:06 First Class Smoking Room Skylight
4:20 The Not-so-grand Staircases
4:43 B-Deck's Missing Restaurant and Cafe
4:59 The Elevator Deckhouse
5:33 Conclusion
6:19 Definitely Not Bloopers
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I think the _deletion_ of the smoking lounge skylight was *also* inspired by the Lusitania, because apparently the Lusitania's drew complaints of making passengers feel like they were in a fishbowl.
I imagine this feeling only increased after sinking.
@@ManyTriangles😂
I love the liner community because we refuse to let any detail be left unmentioned.
Except the deck chair rearrangements, obviously
Titanic 2 engine cylinder engineering diesel generator room
You mean OCEAN Liner?
You lied to me James Cameron 🤣🤣🤣
Lies James Cameron
I'd love to see another version of this video detailing the differences between the 3 separate Ships; Olympic, Titanic, and Britannic. I'm aware that the differences between the first two aren't as drastic as with Britannic, but I do know there were quite a few so it'd be interesting to see them all.
I would love that too
Late reply ik, but I think spammals did one on the differences between Titanic and Britannic
I am French and I speak and understand very basic English but you have a pronunciation that is perfect for me and I can understand everything you say and what you are talking about without using subtitles. Thank you for your work on the great ships that always made me dream. You are doing a very good job of accuracy.
This is great feedback, thankyou! :)
Bo oh oh wo ah= Bottle of water
@@mrcat5508 American accent from Texas I guess !
@@STEN3326 actually it’s a Briish accent, just from a different part of the country
The ending of this video is awesome, with the included bloopers . Just before the bloopers started I was thinking how " slick " your presentation is , from the drawings , to the editing , the way you articulate it all , and even your dress code to fit the era . Well done !
Had to include the bloopers to show just how hard I find it to record these haha!
~Mike
What would of made it lot better to fit the dress code is if he used an old school microphone. Like they did back then. But then it comes down to sound quality so the dress code is irrelevant to me when there’s modern items thrown right smack dab in front of the early 19th century clothing styles.
@@OceanlinerDesigns I make videos of training materials for my company to more efficiently train in Six Sigma. I have lived that blooper reel over and over...right down to the external noises as I live 11 mins from Minneapolis-St. Paul airport and I could almost guarantee that the moment I started recording, a jet would pass over the house. It is also weird how you suddenly can't pronounce words the minute the recording starts!! I did not know the clap thing was an actual 'thing' - I started doing it to help me speed up editing as I could eliminate the whole section between claps. Cool! Oh, and I am a complete Titanorak.
I too love how everything ties right in perfectly, including the fashion of the era and the music too
I like how this guy is wearing a suit the whole time, the dedication is real, kudos
Thank Goodness for TH-cam Recommendation existing. Great video, man. 👌
Thankyou sir!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns I like your suit
@@Noo11094 yhea it's relly clasic for ocean liners 🙃
Been on a binge of your Titanic videos, been interested in Titanic for 30 years and your videos are original and I haven't heard before, bravo.
The Joplin tunes playing in the background was perfect 👌🏾
May I just say, I study linguistics and phonetics and when I hear speech like yours , I am beyond impressed. You are beautifully well spoken and I don’t think I could extend a more respected
Compliment.
This is a huge compliment! Especially since I have always been cognisant that we Australians are not renown for our enunciations. Much appreciated!
~Mike
Was never aware of this design concept for the Olympic-class. I thought it was only the rumored three funneled one, but knowing what I know about ship design now, it makes sense that there'd be multiple drafts before the final version.
Also that one blooper with the decks got me. I need to grow up. 🤣
Wow! That’s interested to see the original design of Titanic in 1908!
Nice video man! Dressed for the occasion as well!
Keep up the awesome work!
But of course :)
~Mike
I think this design would lead to a pair of perfectly functional and comfortable ships...but it isnt totally what white star was looking for, they wanted the Olympic class to be EXTRA luxurious
Over and above the fascinating subject matter, I must comment and commend you on your invariable superb presentation skills which are nothing short of superb and really make the presentations come alive - friendly, relaxed, well-spoken and downright pleasant, you are certainly among the top 1% of TH-cam presenters.I commend and thank you for many hours of enjoable entertainment and education - thank you so much !
You're awake, it's never too early to have a drink when your awake.
Great vid again, there's a ton of great info in there. Can't wait for the next one!
I remember serving on a cruise ship that was one of a small class. I worked with a lot of people who'd worked on the other ships and quickly discovered that almost every ship of the class was different in some way. Doors that were only on one ship, corridors that simply didn't exist on other ships, completely different layouts of lounges, different numbering of cabins, different crew areas etc...
Wow!! Woah!!! Well no shit.... 😐😐🤦🏻♀️
Theres a previous Olympic class designs with four masts and pretty much oldysh looking.. that was the original designs ... also three funnels ... Design D was the pre final template for the final design
Good point! Given the design is labelled Design 'D' we could assume there were designs A-C before it that were considered. Unfortunately nothing remains of these and the three-funnel concept is based only on contemporary magazine artists' depictions. I'd love to cover these in a future video but the design is purely conjecture and not at all official H&W to my knowledge.
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns It was very likely a 40,000 GRT version of the S.S. Statendam (32,000 GRT), construction of which began in 1914 for the Holland America Line (like White Star, part of the IMM). S.S. Statendam was completed as a troop ship named Justicia in 1917 and sunk the following year. She had 3 funnels and a superstructure looking similar to the Titanic and Britannic. Many interior features were also intended to be quite similar to the Olympic Class ships.
@@DSGNflorian They also recycled the 3 funnel design for Red Star Line's SS Belgenland, which so closely resembled a scaled down Olympic that the company officially advertised her as such.
The bit at the end is brilliant; just shows you how hard it is to compose and actually speak what you have drafted
Insanely hard haha!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns the more you do it the easier it gets :)
HOLY HANDSOME!! 😍
Haha, love the bloopers add!,lol
but there something I was searching your videos for about the 3 blade central prop add that was done on titanic to test the performance of the 3 blade central prop on her maiden voyage, all her sisters had 4 bladed central props? Would love your take on this as I've been seeing more n more of this lately, thanks and cheers!🍻
I seriously love the bloopers at the end. Thank you so much for sharing them as well.
Also, your website is amazing.
Holy crap this was really interesting! Praise the ocean liner gods for recommendations!
*subscribing and clicking on the notification bell*
Thanks and welcome aboard!
The bloopers was a nice touch
I'm new to your channel, and thus far I've watched several of your vids about various wrecks you've covered, not just Titanic (although my years long interest in the Titanic was what caught my attention). I'm enjoying your videos and your commentary. Keep up the great work.
Even the music was polite enough to pause itself while the helicopter passed over lol!
First class dining saloon on D-deck was supposed to have a high ceiling going through the C-Deck, I believe.
It's very refreshing to see the outtakes. Goes to show it's never easy to make one of th these vids. Thank you for including them!!
Hopefully practice makes perfect, haha!
~Mike
Your videos are so good that I was on this channel's home page and I was not even paying attention and my finger just clicked on the video!
Awesome to see a youngster doing history vids so well dude you have a good future ahead
Thanks Chris!
~Mike
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels and you only have 2.42k subscribers. You really deserve a lot more
You are too good! Thanks for watching!
~Mike
I liked the bloopers at the end, shows you are a real human. Love your channel!
Thanks for watching Jimmy! Yes, totally a real person and not a robot, beep boop.
~Mike
Stunning art work !
These videos are definitely unique and fun to watch! Amazing work!
I've been thinking about this. So, if design D was the basis for the Olympic Class, what were Designs A, B, and C? Rejected concepts? Designs for other ships? Do we know what ever became of them?
Maybe rejected concepts, because (from my limited knowledge of civilian navy stuff, esepxusllt from the early 20th century), they likely had more than 4 designs at that time.
So perhaps A,B, and C were rejcted concepts, or they just chsnged the naming conventions
even modern engineering drawings go through several revisions before being "issued" for constructions (am engineer)
I think they present multiple designs.
The battleship Vanguard had four proposed designs initially
15A, 15B, 15C and 15D
Wonderful videos mate plz make more!
Very interesting! The elevator bit surprised me
The deck plans don't show C deck down, so it's hard to tell where many other differences would be, but it's quite easy to see that the first class dining saloon was planned to be a sumptuous multi-deck experience like Lusitania and Mauretania. The squash court and "spa" area (pool, Turkish Bath, steam/electric baths, sauna) aren't shown either. The lounge still has a dome in the final, but barely - might the original one have had a skylit dome perhaps not under the compass platform?
I have seen the Design D plans and they are massive .
Id love to see the other two pages getting re drawn as well :D
Your drawings are amazing! 🙂
You mentioned the wireless range being reduced if the Olympic class elected to do away with the aft main mast. I’m interested to know if this design feature hadn’t been altered, on the night of the Titanic disaster what sort of range would her wireless have had? Certainly not able to communicate with as many ships as she did. Would the Carpathia still have been in range of Titanic’s transmissions? And would Titanic have been able to communicate with Cape Race? Maybe if they couldn’t would Jack Phillips maybe have listened to Californians final ice warning instead of brushing him off. Would that have made any difference I wonder
Good question. I am interested as well to know this.
this guy is prob the ship explainer of the decade.
Great out take sir
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
Very interesting! Just now found your channel. I enjoy those might-have-beens and what-ifs. During the video I was reminded of a picture I saw years ago of how the Queen Mary might have looked: the drawing or painting showed hull 543 looking much as we know it now as the Queen Mary but the last third or last quarter of the ship looked like aft portion of the Aquitania including the counter stern. I'm going to check out the website you mentioned.
Very interesting Andrew, that would have been a very curious-looking ship!
~Mike
One of the few men to have ever lived that cause knowledgeable people to utter a "boo,...hiss!" at the mere mention of his name , let alone his picture as presented here: J. Bruce Ismay.
I will have to check and see if that artwork is still being offered.
Ismay was much-maligned in my opinion, I would love to do more of an in-depth video on him! A complex man I think. Thanks for watching!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns Contemporary documentation about his encouraging Captain Smith to not be so cautious and how he got a place in a lifeboat (setting aside for a moment how even seeking to get into a lifeboat when there are still women and children waiting is an automatic disqualifier for being considered an honorable gentleman) is pretty convincing to me that he deserves to be reviled.
It will be interesting to see the future video with your rationale for why he deserves to be cut some slack.
@@pauld6967 your view on Ismay unfortunately is biased and not based on facts.
Another GREAT video
Its tha bloopers for me 😄😄
I couldn't let them go to waste!
~Mike
"The Helicopter"... That happens to every TH-camr. When I record a new song, it can run flawlessly before the recording, as soon as the camera is rolling, you always play something wrong... And when you think after 50 takes that the recording is in the can, an ambulance drives by, the clock is ringing , or the disk space is full...
Wasn't the very first design for the Olympic Class supposed to only have 3 funnels? I thought the fourth was added later, because Ismay didn't want the Olympic class to seem superseded by the Cunard ships, both which had four.
yea it did had 4 masts and 3 funnels so yea
I love these videos!🙏🏻
Great video!
Thanks for sharing beautiful ! Very cool.
Loved the end part, lol!
I love your videos! Very well done! Thanks so much! From Susan in Michigan USA ❤
Great video as usual. Would to to see titanic,s iron plans?
Underrated channel
Many more things need to be added in this video like double storey dining salon topped with dome, addition of swimming pool and turkish bath and squash court, reduction in third class facilities or engines and many more things which make a list.
I must say I like the outtakes 👍
You can see in the thumbnail pic that the engine ventilation shaft just above the first cylinders is the weakness in the superstructure that caused it to break In half. There was also another stairwell next to it that likely contributed to this. I call it Barclays Theory.
Great video thank you
How did I not know the elevator thing? Can’t believe I missed that all these years.
Great vid!
After binge watching your videos.... Your today's set up is better, I love the greeting, your mic makes your voice sounds nicer and I dislike the massive mic at front of you
Overall I love how you create your video with in-depth research and sources
More bloopers it’s really wholesome 😁
Nicely done. You should also bring up the changes to Titanic’s B deck vs Olympic’s, if you haven’t already.
Your channel is awsome
I love your channel
yup, came here from the Olympic-refit video, still very much in love...and I don't mean the ships
"definitely not bloopers"
Best thing to name that is actually bloopers
Wow bro you are so funnyyyy just like him! You must be fun at parties...🙄NOT
Have not even finished the video and had to give this guy a sub
Thanks for watching! And the Sub!
~Mike
The rendered illustration of design D is just stunning! Are there plans to make it available for purchase?
I had not been thinking about it until recently after folks asked after it! Stay tuned :)
~Mike
I like the bloopers
Sería bueno un vídeo de como funciona el sistema Marconi whireless!
I am glad they added the second mast. My first thought (besides that it looks worse) was "how would they hang the wireless aerials?" Most people don't realize what a network of cables there was up there. I would assume they would angle them down to the railings near the stern, maybe a big V shape, like how they would go from wingtips to tail on aircraft.
Dome, no dome the location of the dining saloon (Mauritania and Lusitania as well) was ideal. Low midship is the most stable and we can't have wine and Champaign spilling everywhere
Agreed! Would be a tragic waste of precious material.
~Mike
The original design was for Olympic but the 1908 design featured a plain staircase instead of the Louis XV themed one it actually got
It's for both.
We couldnt hear the helicopter M8! Just keep on going!
Yep, l enjoyed that.
Subbed. 😊
Would sails on a ship that large and heavy even work?
Thank you
I thought you would enjoy this Tiago!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns I did! You might get an order from me by June ;)
How do you even make these astonishing arts? I wanted to know it.
Sooo, as soon as you paused because of the helicopter flying overhead, there was an actual helicopter flying over MY place!! (I live in Southern California so that’s not an unusual thing) 😆
Great video as always!!!
Not easy being the performer, the cameraman, the sound recordist and the director, and as they say about miss-speaking: 'A horse may stumble that has four legs.'
I like your style! You are articulate easy to understand and handsome as well.
Thanks so much Daniel!
~Mike
After Titanic sank, they made safety changes to Britannic such as bringing the water tight bulkheads to top deck
the warship painting made me play world of warships..
informative
Actually, this was (probably) not the ORIGINAL design concept: there is an illustration of the "New" OLYMPIC and TITANIC in the New York Times in March 1909 (don't remember the EXACT date; it might have been March 5 or March 9, or even another date. I used to have a copy I made from microfilm, but I lost it YEARS ago). This design shows THREE funnels, and a profile very similar to an enlarged CELTIC class. It also has a size comparison with the LUSITANIA. Now, admittedly, I do not know whether this illustration came to the Times from White Star, or whether it is the conjecture of a Times editor\illustrator of the time based on a CELTIC-class ship (which would have been the biggest in White Star's fleet at the time), but I think it is significant to consider that, if there was a "Design D", it must logically have been preceded by "Designs A through C".
Hi Todd,
Design 'D' can be considered the first concept, for now, since it is the only one to survive. My understanding of the early illustration of Olympic in the NYT is that it was pure conjecture, an artist's impression of what the upcoming WSL liners might look like eventually. That design is worthy of a video in itself!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns I always kind of thought it was an "educated guess", because of it's great similarity to the CELTIC class. That Times illustration looks almost exactly what a "Super-CELTIC" would look like. Most likely they simply took the CELTIC's profile, and kind of "upgraded" it a little in view of the lack of info. they had at the time.
Expert Genius
The horizontal wires where not the actual transmitting and recieving part of the Antenna. They formed what is called a capacitance hat. They are a vital part of the system though.
Good one - there is a video idea on the function of the wireless apparatus in itself!
~Mike
@@OceanlinerDesigns Ah, good!
@@OceanlinerDesigns I missread and thought you already had one! Glad to have given you an idea.
The best 🤩
The original design concept was quite unique
I'm sure I saw another design that was drawn up by a newspaper based on descriptions of the Olympic class they had at the time. It had 3 masts and only 3 funnels.
yes, but it was beyond unofficial.
will u do one on the planned but canceleld RMS Oceanic III?
Oceanic 3 I have done my fare research on her she was going to be the biggest
@@unclejim3536 it would have been amazing to see what white star line would ahve come up with to rival the queen mary and normandiie. Oceanic 3 would ahve made a great troop ship too. sucks the government help subsidize the cost like they did with cunard.
@randomrazr it would have also saved white star line and would have made the UK the most popular shipping line
these bloopers are sooo funny😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Olympic class liners were to have 3 funnels and 3 masts in their first concept. No ocean liner had 1 mast then.
The design you’re referring to only ever came about as a newspaper sketch that was produced without official association with Harland & Wolff and/or the White Star Line. As far as we actually know, the design for the Olympic class always called for 4 funnels.
Those bloopers 😂