I actually figured it out not because of any difference in quality, but because the changes in the feathers on one of the shots could have only been caught using a very fast shutter. Quality appeared to be the same. Thank you for this.
I really appreciated this video. It provided a balanced view of the extent to which the R5's electronic shutter is functional in different types of photography. I think this is a phenomenal camera.
Hi Jan. Great video. I did some tests with my R6 and got that at higher SS there is some lost of light with Electronic shutter mode special at high shutter speeds (1/500 +). My test results (with ISO 100, M mode, One Shot, all photos processed in dpp4 converted to monochrome and all lens corrections disabled, sharpness and noise reduction set to 0) were: At 1/8000 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,70 and -1,20, compared to Mechanical; At 1/2000 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,20 and -0,35, compared to Mechanical; At 1/500 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,05 and -0,10, compared to Mechanical; Under 1/500 the EV loss is further less and less noticeable. With the EFC Shutter mode the results are between Mechanical and Electronic shutter. Any thoughts about that?
I’ve enjoyed your reviews on this Canon R5 Jan, after seeing the tracking and high iso capability’s of the R5 you sold this to me, we’re currently awaiting stock in the uk, (you should be getting commission you must have helped push up sales) keep up the good work cheers Paul
Paul - I've found it in stock at UK Camera Club, for £100 less than the suggested price every other store has. The online reviews are all amazing, but it is a new store on my radar so I am apprehensive about making an order. They don't mention the Free adaptor via Canon, but do give 2 year warranties. I may just hold off for now until it is in stock everywhere.
Thanks for your samples and description of what you did with the R5. I cannot wait to test it by myself - but not with birds or animals: I will test it on fashion shows, when the models walk the line!
If what I have seen so far with the human eye af keeps working like that, it works even better than for animals. I would think it will be a great helper for you
Great video as always!!!!!! I thought about switching to the new Canon R5 mk ii, but the price tag is HUGE!! I'm still paying the loan for the camera and the lens (Sigma 60-600mm). There's an option for trade-in, but it will still be a huge price... The main reason I'm switched from Canon 5D mk IV to the R5 was fast shutter speed, not to use the mechanical shutter. I'm a documentary aviation and Navy photographer A month ago, I gave the camera to the lab because I started to get blurry images after updating the firmware 2.0. They said she's "fine", you should use a mechanical shutter to photograph a helicopter with more than 1/1200s (really? That will freeze the rotor..). I'm using Electronic 1st Curtain, I saw a video on TH-cam that it's better.. What's your opinion? Thanks!
Great video Jan. I’ve seen pictures of hummingbirds with electronic shutter and the wings were quite distorted. The other scenario I’ve heard can be problematic is fast panning with vertical lines in the background like if you were panning with a bif with trees in the background. You covered these scenarios well.
Yes I am testing r5 as well now. A good test for rolling shutter is hummingbirds as they flip their wings over 20 times a second. Many cameras struggle with electronic shutter and hummies and wings starting to look crazy crooked and sometimes double imposed.
wow... that was a pretty dramatic presentation of electronic shutter "rolling" limitation. Excellent capture work I think this is the first video i've seen that focused on the photography prowess of the R5... almost everything else has simply shown the video side. i think the rolling shutter, even with a slow pan creates enough distortion that i can't see it being yet an serious option for sports shooters... hopefully the R1 will address this..or i'll be sticking with my 1D series
Thanks, Jan. Your videos are always of the highest quality. This one was very helpful - you picked great examples to illustrate the differences between the shutters. The pluses of the R5 seem to outweigh the heating problem, especially for wildlife uses. I'm almost there!
Thanks for the review/comparison. I just received my R5 Thursday. I used it to shoot a baseball game on Friday. I only used mechanical shutter for that contest to avoid any potential issues with the rolling electronic shutter. From what I have seen with other reviews, the fast panning of a moving subject with vertical objects in the background (goal posts on a football field for example) you could see the slanting effect. Or for sports with fast moving balls (football, soccer, baseball) some images with the electronic shutter can cause the ball to look deformed (round ball oblong, and a football shape changed). I have to test it myself for the games I cover to see if I notice anything that would ruin an image. For sports, I'm usually shooting wide-open so the background is often so blurred the vertical stationery objects may not be too noticeable. I may shoot a couple innings in Electronic Shutter mode next game and then review them at 100% to see if I can see any of the rolling shutter effects. Too bad there wasn't an option to pick a slower FPS with Electronic shutter. 12 FPS is fast enough for me, and it would be nice to compare images all shot at 12FPS on my R5 in both Electronic & Mechanical, as well as the 12FPS of my 1Dx. I did notice that even with the battery grip holding 2 batteries, I was about out of juice before the baseball game finished with the R5. This never happens with my 1DX, so the battery life is still an issue for me with my R5 as far as sports is concerned. I kept the screen turned towards the camera on the R5, to save battery and only shot using the viewfinder.
Hey, you will definitely get some rolling shutter in those shots. I get it with faster flying birds flying in certain angles. Not terrible, but you can notice it. But worth a try. What kills the batteries on the R5 is not so much the amount of images taken, but the time the camera is simply on and running. I assume you have to keep it on during the whole game, so that will drain the batteries pretty fast. I always try to carry two spares with me. If you don't need 20fps, you're probably best off with the mechanical shutter, although the electronic shutter seems to deliver the best AF accuracy.
Excellent review of the electronic shutter. You just seem to answer the questions that pop into my head as I’m watching. This really looks like a great wildlife camera. Just wish I could afford one
I've been testing on the older Canon 500 F/4 L IS, and have noticed some pretty bad AF for BIF. It really depends. Overall it was quite slow for me / lagging behind. Yesterday i tried to lock seagulls on a blue sky, using all AF cases / diff AF point combos/full auto and single point/etc. But it kept hunting and would show red box/not even get close to being in focus. I tried again today with ducks in a pond and it was also quite rough. When i switch back to 1DX, was pretty night and day as far as af speed/tracking. Animal eye AF is quite good though and worked really well for smaller birds/ducks swimming and such. So that is nice to see and I hope they can further improve it. I also noticed pretty bad lag/"slide show" when shooting mechanical in the EVF/Etc, using high speed continuous with 128GB CF Express Card (1+GB/s) and using highest EVF Refresh. I would often get behind the bird/lagging behind. Using Silent 20FPS is much smoother/better, but then if you are panning quickly, i saw skewing/rolling shutter in a good amount of shots, although not always. It really depends. But i tried at even 1/5000th shutter speed and still saw some rolling shutter. I will test my 100-400II more today/tomorrow and maybe my 70-200 F/4 L IS and see how it does, before I send back my rental. Maybe newer lenses are alot better, or i'd expect so. I did also have the R5 lockup / crash and restart on my twice today in 20 min, when bursting with my 500 lens. Edit; It also appears that IBIS does not work with my 500 / 100-400II that i can tell. Even if you disable the lens IS, you can't do IBIS like I think sony/other brands may let you do. Or at least i could with metabones adapter. Which is unfortunate. Not sure why they can't do IBIS + those EF lenses, but seems to be the case. Is disabled in the menu / says not available for this lens.
Here's some examples of what I saw. Using longer lens and panning quickly as you would need to for BIF. Even at high shutter speeds, against the tree/blue sky, you can see the tree slanting/falling behind as I pan. The tree naturally is straight up and down, not tilted.. If these links work anyways... imgur.com/JwKEXG4 imgur.com/a/tTVcr2p
Some other thoughts about the R5. The ergonomics are very nice overall / I much prefer it to Sony/other mirrorless bodies I've tried. Feels alot like a 5D / 7DII in the hands. Not much smaller I think, but pretty light! Battery life has been.... so so .. sometimes it's been pretty good (1500-2k shots), but depends on the situation/how much are using IBIS/lens IS/etc. I have a custom button to keep turning off the rear LCD, so not wasting power and because it leaves my lens IS running non stop and I don't want to start to walk and jolt it and somehow break my lens IS. Although when you have the rear LCD/EVF off and go to look in the viewfinder, it can take 1-2 seconds for it to wake up and that might be too late/too long to catch a BIF approaching/flying by. The EVF is nice and high res/ no issues there really. Although I did have some pretty BAD lens flare yesterday in the sun, when it was sort of behind me. I could barely see what I was doing in the EVF. I switched back to my 1DX to see if I had the same issue , but it had basically 0 lens flare and was much brighter/easier to see using the optical in that case. Not sure if because the EVF is not inset as far or shallower eye cup or no idea. But it was pretty bad sometimes with the R5 in that situation. Getting into Video mode is a bit weird/somewhat annoying. I'm not sure if you can change it either, that I saw so far. You have to press in the top right dial, then hit Info button, and THEN you can set your Video settings. Also when I hit record buttton in stills mode, it was using some random video settings at first. I had to setup my video settings how I wanted, find the Custom Settings stuff in the menu, and set Custom Mode 3 to pickup my current video settings and THEN it used that when i hit record in stills mode... very weird. I set the DOF Preview button to toggle One Shot / AI Servo. It works differently than it has on my DSLRs. Normally you hold it down to be in One Shot and let go and you're back in AI Servo. But on the R5, it's a toggle, where you have to press it twice to go back and forth. You can't just hold it down anymore. It's not a HUGE deal, but something to get used to/take note of, and can be a little more finicky if trying to do that on the fly instead of just letting go of the DOF button and are back in AI Servo.
Hey, So you used the normal AF mode for BIF, not the Animal eye AF? the AF will definitely be slower with the older lenses. It works on all lenses, but there's a list of lenses that are officially supported. You probably do, but did you turn the image review in the viewfinder turned off? The only time I noticed my EVF to become "sluggish" was with the 600 + 2x TC in low light. Roughly how many images could you take in a burst? there's a big difference between the Cfexpress cards and for most brands only the 512Gb+ cards are super fast. The smaller cards seem to write a lot slower. It's definitely smoother in the electronic mode, but for general usage, I think mechanical will yield better results as you say. If you turn the IS off, IBIS will be turned off, too. If it's never available, it must be incompatible with that lens. :(
Great point! I have the same 500 f4 IS and I´m thiking to buy a R5/R6, but I´m not sure how AF works with this 500. Do you prefer AF to focus birds or use direct the Animal Eye AF? How R5 autofocus works with 100-400? AF works better than dslr? I actually do a lot of video with the 5DIV and Im thinking to upgrade to canon or sony mirrorles. I would appreciate your opinion. :)
I used electronic shutter while shooting small birds for the first time yesterday and before viewing your video on this very subject. While I didn't encounter the rolling shutter issue I did run into another problem. The electronic shutter would not stay in the selected mode. I would set it in the menu, hit SET, shoot and then wait a few minutes to observe the birds. The next time I went to use the camera it reverted to the mechanical shutter mode. What up with this??? I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but what? This just seems so simple and straightforward. Always appreciate your videos, btw!
@@jan_wegener No. I'm changing the shutter mode within the same custom mode where I original selected mechanical shutter and then switched to electronic.
@@michellesampson328 If you are in a custom mode you will change the settings to remember the last settings you dialled in or save the custom mode again, after you changed the shutter. Otherwise it will revert back every time to camera goes to sleep or you turn it off
@@jan_wegener Ohhhh, got it. Never thought about it going to sleep being the trigger for reverting back to original setting. Just checked this out and in Menu, Tools, Page 5, I found the solution. Thanks, Jan!!
That was very good. I'd like to propose a couple additional tests. 1) You mentioned it at the end but hummingbirds are something that I might shoot as a "real" subject. Drone propellers are good for illustration but it is unlikely to be something I would actually shoot. Then increment the shutter speed 1/1000, 1/2000, 1/3000, etc. and, 2) Test the rolling shutter with 8K video and grab stills from footage - both to test the rolling shutter and the quality of the image. I'd do this myself but, alas, my R5 is still on backorder. :-(
Can't get my hands on any hummingbirds here unfortunately. The drone was kinda the closest I could fine hehe. You are correct about the shutter speed, that will likely have an effect. What would be the advantage in your opinion of taking stills from a video? TO make it work you would have to be happy to not be able to use the video for anything other than stills, due to the shutter speed. I hope you will get your camera soon!
@@jan_wegener You would get 29.97 fps in 8K video without any buffer filling (at least with the US specs). I'm sure this would be more of a academic test as I understand the overheating issues. I wonder whether there are any differences between the rolling shutter in still captures vs video. Thanks for excellent TH-cam videos!
@@amendegw I would have to try it out, but autofocus, for instance, is a bit different with video, so I am not sure how well it would work for action. And for a still bird there wouldn't be any point using it. Thanks :)
Very good video, very guiding, it helps me to make the right decisions, thank you Muy buen video, muy orientador, me sirve para tomar decisiones acertadas, gracias
@@jan_wegener Resolution and AF are another level. ISO performance not as good as I was hoping compared to the 1DXmkii but still great for the resolution. They're probably pretty close from my limited shooting on the R5 so far. LOVE the flip out screen and smaller size of R5 which were big reasons for switching.
David Stowe Photography 20 to 45 is quite the jump! Did you try really high iso? I felt like that was where the R5 pulled away a fair bit from mark Iv. But I guess they’re more similar in resolution. Will be good to hear some more once you used it more
@@jan_wegener yeah I'm more interested in the usable ranges around 3200 6400 etc. doesn't really seem as clean at 3200. I want to test the in camera NR settings too. Definitely nicer than 5Dmkiv
I forgot to mention that the Electronic Shutter Mode only has 12 bit, hence dynamic range and image quality will be slightly worse. I can't say I could tell the difference in the RAW files, though.
I was actually going to say this since you didn’t mention it in the vid. Also the mechanical shutter in Hi+ mode has 13 bit. For the 14 bit raw you have to use Hi mode or slower. I saw a dynamic range comparison chart, and it looks like the electronic has up to 2 stops better dynamic range at base iso. However the difference gets smaller when you raise the iso. From iso 800 and above according to the test, the dynamic range is identical between shutter modes. I can’t see me shooting birds below 800 iso so I think it’ll be just fine. It could be an issue in landscape photography where you want maximum DR at base iso. But then you don’t need high frame rates shooting landscapes
Thanks for this very informative video, Jan! I was wondering the exact thing in your comment here about the loss of dynamic range and image quality suffering when in electronic shutter compared to mechanical shutter. I was hoping you'd address this in the video above, but you didn't mention it, other than here in the comment. I had heard that with Electronic Shutter, that you get lower quality images, compared to the same image shot with the mechanical shutter, all things being equal. Is this because it's shot at 12bit? Is there any way you can do a side by side comparison of a static subject, maybe your toy cockatoo, with both electronic shutter, and mechanical shutter, at different ISO's from 100 all the way up to extremely high ISO's, and then show what they look like full frame and at 100% (i.e. 1:1)? And then give your real world thoughts on if there's any noticeable difference on both dynamic range and image quality and noise, or how much difference there is. This would be very informative.
@@LanceKrueger I didn't really mention it, because when looking at the files, I did not notice a difference. Even when I cropped my drone shots, the image quality kinda looked identical
@@ts76751 "I saw a dynamic range comparison chart, and it looks like the electronic has up to 2 stops better dynamic range at base iso". I guess you mean mechanical
I have used both. I didn't have issues with rolling shutter. For me the hardest part of the electronic shutter is you can't tell when it is shooting easily. Mechanical gives the familiar click
I like your review. I might get an R5 and use some EF lenses I used on other brands via adapters. I have a 24-105; 135; and a 90mm Makro. If I use these lenses in crop mode I get 215mm; and 135mm coverage with the primes at F2 max F stop. I am looking at the F2 28-70mm zoom. So all these lenses have 2 ranges using 1.6x crop and max aperture F2.0 3 lenses do the work of 6 lenses. Crop mode gives still 17 megapixels plenty.
Jan, I really love your videos and have learned so much from them. I am especially glad that you moved to the R5 as I have as well. Now, do one on long-exposure shooting!
Another informative video mate, the silent shooting would be great for very skittish birds that is for sure but it sounds like you will need a few memory cards if shooting at 20fps :-)
Thanks for this dig into rolling shutter on the R5. My take away is that if you need 20 fps or electronic shutter for action, buy the Sony A9/A9ii. (Really surprised that you compared the R5 to the R instead of the current champ - A9). Now, if I can find a deep dive on the AF comparison between the R5 and the A9ii, I will know which camera to rent for my trials.
I don't have any Sony gear, so not easy to just grab it hehe. From what I have seen now the A1 might be better, but A9 has very similar rolling shutter to the R5, mainly showing in the birds; wings
Excellent as always. Great information. Static vs moving are key messages to introduce or reduce rolling shutter effect. For airplane with propellers, I would use lower shutter speed like 1/100 or 1/60 to blur the propellers for motion look. Rolling shutter may not affect that. I would like to see photographing hummingbird with electronic shutter. Like you said, rolling shutter will be present, but I like to see how bad it is.
Jan Wegener I heard there aren’t any hummingbirds in Europe. You have hummingbirds in Australia? We have many hummingbirds in USA. But they are easier to photograph in Spring when the flowers blossom where they hover around the flowers
Another good video Jan, if the eye tracking initially picks up the Birds Eye and as it is tracking the Af point moves off the bird will it stay in focus? You seem to suggest this in this video, thanks, Ian UK.
Loved it❤️. I will stick with mechanic shutter,12 is more than enough for me only consideration for electronic shutter will be for the silence. Really appreciate the review.
One more correction. I said you can use the electronic shutter with lower frame rates, while the camera lets you select that, it actually doesn't change the frame rate and you can only shoot in 20fps. Maybe this is something that can be changed via firmware...
Hey Jan, keep the R5 videos coming, great you are still doing this in lockdown. Can you share some RAW files to compare these shots? You tube is pretty hard to notice any difference. Cheers mate.
I used the electronic shutter in the yard with small birds and haven't seen any major issues. I agree with you and will keep the shutter on mechanical for safety -- plus 12fps is plenty high and buffer is better. But certainly good to have for those instances you want to be stealth and sneak up on a bird that may not be super active - i.e. roosting owl. 😁
Hi Rina, yes, same experience here. Just shots some head shots and image quality looks pretty similar, too between the two modes. Agreed, mechanical will do the job almost always
Great material as usual! Nice and clear information about the diferences between elect. And mech. Shutter for wildlife Photography. Could you please do an Ibis Test, including the 400mm f5.6 :) Best Regards
I noticed you mentioned you could slow the electronic shutter's frame rate down. Maybe it was an mix up of words (meant to describe the mechanical shutter), but I don't think you can do that. E-Shutter only has full speed or single shot. I wish there was a 10 or 5 fps mode.
Greta video. I got an R6 a few days ago and it’s my first mirrorless body so a big learning curve. I was interested to see what you suggested for shutter type for wildlife and you have answered that. Thank you. One question though, for autofocus would you suggest using just animal detection and only switching to eye autofocus when the bird is close or do you use eye autofocus all the time and let it adapt to the subject?
Without watching the video, I can say that from my experience, the answer to your question is simply "Yes". Those who are into wildlife photography should seriously look into the R5. IMHO, IT'S THAT GOOD! ;-)
hi very useful info thanks i have literally just unboxed my R5 and im blown away with its capabilities im upgrading from a D5 mark3 so its a bit of a learning curve. i do have a query! i have noticed two white arrows locked around the focus square. what are they and what is their use thanks in advance and i love your casts they are very good cheers
@@jan_wegener hi again i think i worked it out, when in face or animal focus mode it lets you toggle which eye you want the camera to focus on quite clever in fact
Great video. What was the thought behind selecting an aperture of 5.6 versus 2.8 for that fast lens against the sky? I did see the other video about shooting f8 ( and not wide open) which was very helpful.
11:03 that is a mistake you cannot dial down the electronic shutter burst speed it is either around 20fps or single shot at a time. Awesome video other than that!
Great video, thanks. Does the 1.6 crop mode affect the rolling shutter? I guess it will have less rolling shutter if the images are cropped on the sensor and it will be the same if the crop are done on the processor.
Hi Jan .I’ve read some shooter’s noticing more rolling shutter on stills with the R6 than the R5. You’ve shot both. Did you notice any of this ? Thanks. Great investigative review !👏🏻👍😃🕊
I like to use real world examples and I certainly wouldn't photograph birds in flight @ 2.8. The depth of field will be too narrow. The sample images are not cropped
I have used my 600 with both extenders and the 70-200 with no extenders. The image quality is great. You can see some image samples in my first R5 video. Since the 1Dx II doesn't have animal eye AF, this camera will have the better AF system for many occasions.
Hi Jan, I really like your videos on the R5, as you review them from a bird photographer's perspective. When the lockdown is over, I would like to see how the AF of the camera performs with a 600 (plus 1.4 extender) to shoot fast birds in flight and not easy targets such as gulls on a 70-200.
@@jan_wegener It's how we photograph migrating birds from our counting station. Sure, they are not all in focus like with the R5 in your review, but over time you get the experience to track the birds (handheld to have maximum freedom of movement). That's the reason why the AF and the black out (if any) of the R5 when quickly moving around are so interesting for me.
@@thijsskip Makes sense. I have been shooting small birds with 600 & extenders in the past, but I had never a high hit rate. Not done it with this camera yet. If you watch my review video of the RF you can see a few clips where I filmed the viewfinder while taking images to show the lag. Personally I didn't feel like it was an issue
Really appreciate the extensive testing! Do you happen to have an R to compare it against? I know my R has quite bad rolling shutter but would be very interested to see them side by side in a panning test or something.
(in electronic shutter mode) if you're panning with a subject, like a bird, and the background is just clouds, even if the clouds are out of focus, it wouldn't really matter if the clouds are distorted due to rolling shutters, HOWEVER... say... you're shooting a car race and you're panning with a car, if there are any poles or and building structures in the background... you're going to see all those vertical lines leaning, even if they are out of focus.
Best lens I have ever used. You could make an argument that the version III lens potentially works better on the R5, but image quality seems to be a little bit worse.
I see u were using the 70-200 II I think that dosen't get the H+ support. Do how many frames it is giving u??? Both In mechanical and electronic. Also how many frames does it give one cell battery is below 60%???
Having tested with a 135mm f/2, I am having the H+ in white (7fps) but I take 18~19 pictures/s with electronic shutter (and yes 135mm f/2 is not support for H+ green).
I never made a proper test, but its substantially faster than the mechanical mode. H+ green I only get on my 600. So potentially this lens is slightly slower. But for frames per second your shutter speed and other circumstances will play a big role, too
I was able to pick it out in the first set because of the frame-to-frame shape change of the background cliffs. Had there only been one frame I wouldn’t have noticed. I don’t think I’d try action shots with trees or buildings as the background.
Thanks Jan, once again I found this to be very beneficial. You discussed and explained beautifully questions I was asking myself about the mechanical versus the electronica shutter.
hi, Thanks for your informative videos 😁 In your video, you mentions to “dial down the shutter speed on electronic shutter”. Is it posible ? and if so how ? Best regards Frank
Hi Jan, Did you try to lower the frame rate in electrical shutter to see whether the same rolling shutter effect is happening or not ? Once again, thanks for sharing all your experience... like someone said in the comment you should get the commission from Canon. You actually convinced me to upgrade from 5D mark IV to R5 😅👍
It doesn't surprise me that the Electronic Shutter does well for Seagulls. But I'm curious on how it would perform with birds that flap their wings much faster, like ducks, or smaller birds whose wings flap insanely fast by comparison.
Hello, very interesting video. I have had my Canon R5 since the beginning of August and I really like it despite all the hype of overheating which overshadows the super photographic quality of this camera. As for the burst with the electronic shutter you forgot to mention that this can be problematic for indoor images under different types of light sources. Indoor sports photographers who have to struggle with poor lighting know this problem. This is just more information that I think it was good to mention, Thanks for your videos! Sorry for my poor English, I'm a French Canadian and I translated my comments with google translate.
Thank you for the review. Appreciated very much. Just bought R5 and working as expect. Using EF 100-400m MkII lens and seems that the IS working almost all the time when the camera switched on. Is it normal? What about the battery lifetime? I expect that the IS start running when the back button focus pushed. (like 5D Mk IV what I had before)
Nice video! Other question. When I ‘chimp’ through my shots on the camera, the R5 shows always the last picture after being in ‘sleep mode’, instead of the last viewed picture. Do you know how to change this? Many thanks!!
Any info on the electronic shutter readout speed? For example, the a9 has a readout speed of 1/160 of a second. I'm curious how fast the R5 does it without a stacked sensor.
so well explained in the circumstances where electronic shutter can be used and cannot be used ... thanks
I actually figured it out not because of any difference in quality, but because the changes in the feathers on one of the shots could have only been caught using a very fast shutter. Quality appeared to be the same. Thank you for this.
well done! Glad you enjoyed it
I really appreciated this video. It provided a balanced view of the extent to which the R5's electronic shutter is functional in different types of photography. I think this is a phenomenal camera.
Great to hear! It is pretty nice to use thus far
Hi Jan. Great video.
I did some tests with my R6 and got that at higher SS there is some lost of light with Electronic shutter mode special at high shutter speeds (1/500 +). My test results (with ISO 100, M mode, One Shot, all photos processed in dpp4 converted to monochrome and all lens corrections disabled, sharpness and noise reduction set to 0) were:
At 1/8000 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,70 and -1,20, compared to Mechanical;
At 1/2000 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,20 and -0,35, compared to Mechanical;
At 1/500 SS the EV loss is roughly between -0,05 and -0,10, compared to Mechanical;
Under 1/500 the EV loss is further less and less noticeable.
With the EFC Shutter mode the results are between Mechanical and Electronic shutter.
Any thoughts about that?
Interesting, I haven’t really noticed that
What a HUGE difference to the EOS R I‘m currently using! Can‘t wait for my R6 to come...
yes, it seems to be a big step up
I’ve enjoyed your reviews on this Canon R5 Jan, after seeing the tracking and high iso capability’s of the R5 you sold this to me,
we’re currently awaiting stock in the uk, (you should be getting commission you must have helped push up sales) keep up the good work cheers Paul
haha, I know! :D Wasn't even my intention, I just enjoyed using it and really liked what it can bring to the table.
Paul - I've found it in stock at UK Camera Club, for £100 less than the suggested price every other store has. The online reviews are all amazing, but it is a new store on my radar so I am apprehensive about making an order. They don't mention the Free adaptor via Canon, but do give 2 year warranties. I may just hold off for now until it is in stock everywhere.
Graham Black. I’ve not heard of them, so like you I’ll wait, stock should be arriving around the 28th
@@paulflewitt2057 fingers crossed
Thanks for your samples and description of what you did with the R5. I cannot wait to test it by myself - but not with birds or animals: I will test it on fashion shows, when the models walk the line!
If what I have seen so far with the human eye af keeps working like that, it works even better than for animals. I would think it will be a great helper for you
Great video as always!!!!!!
I thought about switching to the new Canon R5 mk ii, but the price tag is HUGE!! I'm still paying the loan for the camera and the lens (Sigma 60-600mm). There's an option for trade-in, but it will still be a huge price...
The main reason I'm switched from Canon 5D mk IV to the R5 was fast shutter speed, not to use the mechanical shutter.
I'm a documentary aviation and Navy photographer
A month ago, I gave the camera to the lab because I started to get blurry images after updating the firmware 2.0. They said she's "fine", you should use a mechanical shutter to photograph a helicopter with more than 1/1200s (really? That will freeze the rotor..).
I'm using Electronic 1st Curtain, I saw a video on TH-cam that it's better..
What's your opinion?
Thanks!
Great video Jan. I’ve seen pictures of hummingbirds with electronic shutter and the wings were quite distorted. The other scenario I’ve heard can be problematic is fast panning with vertical lines in the background like if you were panning with a bif with trees in the background. You covered these scenarios well.
Thanks. Yes, that's the two cases I could think of that might cause trouble.
thank you,very clear explanations mechanical vs electronic shutter mode for flying bird.I ordered the R5.Your helped me make the decision to get one.
Glad to hear you have enjoyed my videos. I hope you will get it soon and enjoy it!
Yes I am testing r5 as well now. A good test for rolling shutter is hummingbirds as they flip their wings over 20 times a second. Many cameras struggle with electronic shutter and hummies and wings starting to look crazy crooked and sometimes double imposed.
Yes, that's why I mentioned it, trying to find some sample images
Thanks Jan; very relevant video and thanks for addressing all of the questions related to mirrorless!
Glad it was helpful!
That autofocus is truly UNREAL!!! Can’t wait to experience it myself.
It's not fail safe, but pretty darn good.
now, this is how you make an INFORMATIVE video
thank You!
wow... that was a pretty dramatic presentation of electronic shutter "rolling" limitation.
Excellent capture work
I think this is the first video i've seen that focused on the photography prowess of the R5... almost everything else has simply shown the video side.
i think the rolling shutter, even with a slow pan creates enough distortion that i can't see it being yet an serious option for sports shooters... hopefully the R1 will address this..or i'll be sticking with my 1D series
Thank you. Yes with sports, where you likely have vertical lines in the background, it can be an issue.
Thank you for the great information on the R5. Now if I could just find someone with them in stock...
Thank you! I had a friend order it last week and received it juts a few days later!
Where!?
@@usmcluberti1 This was in Australia, not exactly sure which retailer, I can try and find out
Practical use and information again! Excellent!
Kind Regards, Jan
Many thanks!
Thanks, Jan. Your videos are always of the highest quality. This one was very helpful - you picked great examples to illustrate the differences between the shutters. The pluses of the R5 seem to outweigh the heating problem, especially for wildlife uses. I'm almost there!
Thanks a lot! Since the firmware updates, the overheating has been a lot less of an inssue.
Thanks for the review/comparison. I just received my R5 Thursday. I used it to shoot a baseball game on Friday. I only used mechanical shutter for that contest to avoid any potential issues with the rolling electronic shutter. From what I have seen with other reviews, the fast panning of a moving subject with vertical objects in the background (goal posts on a football field for example) you could see the slanting effect. Or for sports with fast moving balls (football, soccer, baseball) some images with the electronic shutter can cause the ball to look deformed (round ball oblong, and a football shape changed). I have to test it myself for the games I cover to see if I notice anything that would ruin an image. For sports, I'm usually shooting wide-open so the background is often so blurred the vertical stationery objects may not be too noticeable. I may shoot a couple innings in Electronic Shutter mode next game and then review them at 100% to see if I can see any of the rolling shutter effects. Too bad there wasn't an option to pick a slower FPS with Electronic shutter. 12 FPS is fast enough for me, and it would be nice to compare images all shot at 12FPS on my R5 in both Electronic & Mechanical, as well as the 12FPS of my 1Dx. I did notice that even with the battery grip holding 2 batteries, I was about out of juice before the baseball game finished with the R5. This never happens with my 1DX, so the battery life is still an issue for me with my R5 as far as sports is concerned. I kept the screen turned towards the camera on the R5, to save battery and only shot using the viewfinder.
Hey,
you will definitely get some rolling shutter in those shots. I get it with faster flying birds flying in certain angles. Not terrible, but you can notice it.
But worth a try.
What kills the batteries on the R5 is not so much the amount of images taken, but the time the camera is simply on and running. I assume you have to keep it on during the whole game, so that will drain the batteries pretty fast. I always try to carry two spares with me.
If you don't need 20fps, you're probably best off with the mechanical shutter, although the electronic shutter seems to deliver the best AF accuracy.
Excellent review of the electronic shutter. You just seem to answer the questions that pop into my head as I’m watching. This really looks like a great wildlife camera. Just wish I could afford one
Great to hear! It's been great so far!
I've been testing on the older Canon 500 F/4 L IS, and have noticed some pretty bad AF for BIF. It really depends. Overall it was quite slow for me / lagging behind. Yesterday i tried to lock seagulls on a blue sky, using all AF cases / diff AF point combos/full auto and single point/etc. But it kept hunting and would show red box/not even get close to being in focus.
I tried again today with ducks in a pond and it was also quite rough. When i switch back to 1DX, was pretty night and day as far as af speed/tracking.
Animal eye AF is quite good though and worked really well for smaller birds/ducks swimming and such. So that is nice to see and I hope they can further improve it.
I also noticed pretty bad lag/"slide show" when shooting mechanical in the EVF/Etc, using high speed continuous with 128GB CF Express Card (1+GB/s) and using highest EVF Refresh. I would often get behind the bird/lagging behind. Using Silent 20FPS is much smoother/better, but then if you are panning quickly, i saw skewing/rolling shutter in a good amount of shots, although not always. It really depends. But i tried at even 1/5000th shutter speed and still saw some rolling shutter.
I will test my 100-400II more today/tomorrow and maybe my 70-200 F/4 L IS and see how it does, before I send back my rental. Maybe newer lenses are alot better, or i'd expect so.
I did also have the R5 lockup / crash and restart on my twice today in 20 min, when bursting with my 500 lens.
Edit; It also appears that IBIS does not work with my 500 / 100-400II that i can tell. Even if you disable the lens IS, you can't do IBIS like I think sony/other brands may let you do. Or at least i could with metabones adapter. Which is unfortunate. Not sure why they can't do IBIS + those EF lenses, but seems to be the case. Is disabled in the menu / says not available for this lens.
Here's some examples of what I saw. Using longer lens and panning quickly as you would need to for BIF. Even at high shutter speeds, against the tree/blue sky, you can see the tree slanting/falling behind as I pan. The tree naturally is straight up and down, not tilted..
If these links work anyways...
imgur.com/JwKEXG4
imgur.com/a/tTVcr2p
Some other thoughts about the R5.
The ergonomics are very nice overall / I much prefer it to Sony/other mirrorless bodies I've tried. Feels alot like a 5D / 7DII in the hands. Not much smaller I think, but pretty light!
Battery life has been.... so so .. sometimes it's been pretty good (1500-2k shots), but depends on the situation/how much are using IBIS/lens IS/etc. I have a custom button to keep turning off the rear LCD, so not wasting power and because it leaves my lens IS running non stop and I don't want to start to walk and jolt it and somehow break my lens IS.
Although when you have the rear LCD/EVF off and go to look in the viewfinder, it can take 1-2 seconds for it to wake up and that might be too late/too long to catch a BIF approaching/flying by.
The EVF is nice and high res/ no issues there really. Although I did have some pretty BAD lens flare yesterday in the sun, when it was sort of behind me. I could barely see what I was doing in the EVF. I switched back to my 1DX to see if I had the same issue , but it had basically 0 lens flare and was much brighter/easier to see using the optical in that case. Not sure if because the EVF is not inset as far or shallower eye cup or no idea. But it was pretty bad sometimes with the R5 in that situation.
Getting into Video mode is a bit weird/somewhat annoying. I'm not sure if you can change it either, that I saw so far. You have to press in the top right dial, then hit Info button, and THEN you can set your Video settings. Also when I hit record buttton in stills mode, it was using some random video settings at first. I had to setup my video settings how I wanted, find the Custom Settings stuff in the menu, and set Custom Mode 3 to pickup my current video settings and THEN it used that when i hit record in stills mode... very weird.
I set the DOF Preview button to toggle One Shot / AI Servo. It works differently than it has on my DSLRs. Normally you hold it down to be in One Shot and let go and you're back in AI Servo. But on the R5, it's a toggle, where you have to press it twice to go back and forth. You can't just hold it down anymore. It's not a HUGE deal, but something to get used to/take note of, and can be a little more finicky if trying to do that on the fly instead of just letting go of the DOF button and are back in AI Servo.
Hey,
So you used the normal AF mode for BIF, not the Animal eye AF?
the AF will definitely be slower with the older lenses. It works on all lenses, but there's a list of lenses that are officially supported.
You probably do, but did you turn the image review in the viewfinder turned off?
The only time I noticed my EVF to become "sluggish" was with the 600 + 2x TC in low light.
Roughly how many images could you take in a burst? there's a big difference between the Cfexpress cards and for most brands only the 512Gb+ cards are super fast. The smaller cards seem to write a lot slower.
It's definitely smoother in the electronic mode, but for general usage, I think mechanical will yield better results as you say.
If you turn the IS off, IBIS will be turned off, too. If it's never available, it must be incompatible with that lens. :(
the links don't work unfortunately.
Yes, that's what I said in the video, tress in the background would definitely be an issue for the ES
Great point! I have the same 500 f4 IS and I´m thiking to buy a R5/R6, but I´m not sure how AF works with this 500. Do you prefer AF to focus birds or use direct the Animal Eye AF? How R5 autofocus works with 100-400? AF works better than dslr? I actually do a lot of video with the 5DIV and Im thinking to upgrade to canon or sony mirrorles. I would appreciate your opinion. :)
I used electronic shutter while shooting small birds for the first time yesterday and before viewing your video on this very subject. While I didn't encounter the rolling shutter issue I did run into another problem. The electronic shutter would not stay in the selected mode. I would set it in the menu, hit SET, shoot and then wait a few minutes to observe the birds. The next time I went to use the camera it reverted to the mechanical shutter mode. What up with this??? I'm sure I'm doing something wrong but what? This just seems so simple and straightforward. Always appreciate your videos, btw!
are you switching between custom modes?
@@jan_wegener No. I'm changing the shutter mode within the same custom mode where I original selected mechanical shutter and then switched to electronic.
@@michellesampson328 If you are in a custom mode you will change the settings to remember the last settings you dialled in or save the custom mode again, after you changed the shutter. Otherwise it will revert back every time to camera goes to sleep or you turn it off
@@jan_wegener Ohhhh, got it. Never thought about it going to sleep being the trigger for reverting back to original setting. Just checked this out and in Menu, Tools, Page 5, I found the solution. Thanks, Jan!!
@@michellesampson328 happy to help!
That was very good. I'd like to propose a couple additional tests. 1) You mentioned it at the end but hummingbirds are something that I might shoot as a "real" subject. Drone propellers are good for illustration but it is unlikely to be something I would actually shoot. Then increment the shutter speed 1/1000, 1/2000, 1/3000, etc. and, 2) Test the rolling shutter with 8K video and grab stills from footage - both to test the rolling shutter and the quality of the image. I'd do this myself but, alas, my R5 is still on backorder. :-(
Can't get my hands on any hummingbirds here unfortunately. The drone was kinda the closest I could fine hehe.
You are correct about the shutter speed, that will likely have an effect.
What would be the advantage in your opinion of taking stills from a video? TO make it work you would have to be happy to not be able to use the video for anything other than stills, due to the shutter speed.
I hope you will get your camera soon!
@@jan_wegener You would get 29.97 fps in 8K video without any buffer filling (at least with the US specs). I'm sure this would be more of a academic test as I understand the overheating issues. I wonder whether there are any differences between the rolling shutter in still captures vs video. Thanks for excellent TH-cam videos!
@@amendegw I would have to try it out, but autofocus, for instance, is a bit different with video, so I am not sure how well it would work for action. And for a still bird there wouldn't be any point using it.
Thanks :)
I have the canon R5 and found this video excellent - Keep up the good work Jan :-)
Awesome, thank you!
Very good video, very guiding, it helps me to make the right decisions, thank you
Muy buen video, muy orientador, me sirve para tomar decisiones acertadas, gracias
Great video mate. Testing the shutter is next on the to do list! Seriously impressed after my first two days with it!
Thanks. How do you compare it to your 1dx II so far?
@@jan_wegener Resolution and AF are another level. ISO performance not as good as I was hoping compared to the 1DXmkii but still great for the resolution. They're probably pretty close from my limited shooting on the R5 so far. LOVE the flip out screen and smaller size of R5 which were big reasons for switching.
David Stowe Photography 20 to 45 is quite the jump! Did you try really high iso? I felt like that was where the R5 pulled away a fair bit from mark Iv. But I guess they’re more similar in resolution. Will be good to hear some more once you used it more
@@jan_wegener yeah I'm more interested in the usable ranges around 3200 6400 etc. doesn't really seem as clean at 3200. I want to test the in camera NR settings too. Definitely nicer than 5Dmkiv
Thanks for the information you have been providing on the R5. Canon mirrorless cameras are new to me. Your videos have been very helpful!
Great to hear! It's new for me too, so it's fun to find out
great video - glad I found your channel - did not know what I missed up to now - thank you
Glad to help!
I forgot to mention that the Electronic Shutter Mode only has 12 bit, hence dynamic range and image quality will be slightly worse. I can't say I could tell the difference in the RAW files, though.
I was actually going to say this since you didn’t mention it in the vid. Also the mechanical shutter in Hi+ mode has 13 bit. For the 14 bit raw you have to use Hi mode or slower. I saw a dynamic range comparison chart, and it looks like the electronic has up to 2 stops better dynamic range at base iso. However the difference gets smaller when you raise the iso. From iso 800 and above according to the test, the dynamic range is identical between shutter modes. I can’t see me shooting birds below 800 iso so I think it’ll be just fine. It could be an issue in landscape photography where you want maximum DR at base iso. But then you don’t need high frame rates shooting landscapes
Thanks for this very informative video, Jan! I was wondering the exact thing in your comment here about the loss of dynamic range and image quality suffering when in electronic shutter compared to mechanical shutter. I was hoping you'd address this in the video above, but you didn't mention it, other than here in the comment. I had heard that with Electronic Shutter, that you get lower quality images, compared to the same image shot with the mechanical shutter, all things being equal. Is this because it's shot at 12bit? Is there any way you can do a side by side comparison of a static subject, maybe your toy cockatoo, with both electronic shutter, and mechanical shutter, at different ISO's from 100 all the way up to extremely high ISO's, and then show what they look like full frame and at 100% (i.e. 1:1)? And then give your real world thoughts on if there's any noticeable difference on both dynamic range and image quality and noise, or how much difference there is. This would be very informative.
@@ts76751 I agree. FOr birds that seems negligible.
@@LanceKrueger I didn't really mention it, because when looking at the files, I did not notice a difference.
Even when I cropped my drone shots, the image quality kinda looked identical
@@ts76751 "I saw a dynamic range comparison chart, and it looks like the electronic has up to 2 stops better dynamic range at base iso". I guess you mean mechanical
I have used both. I didn't have issues with rolling shutter. For me the hardest part of the electronic shutter is you can't tell when it is shooting easily. Mechanical gives the familiar click
Yes, totally agree with that
I like your review. I might get an R5 and use some EF lenses I used on other brands via adapters.
I have a 24-105; 135; and a 90mm Makro. If I use these lenses in crop mode I get 215mm; and 135mm coverage with the primes
at F2 max F stop. I am looking at the F2 28-70mm zoom. So all these lenses have 2 ranges using 1.6x crop and max aperture F2.0
3 lenses do the work of 6 lenses. Crop mode gives still 17 megapixels plenty.
So so helpful! Thank you! Just got my R6 and the RF 600mm and it's nice to know what to expect!
Great to hear!
Jan, I really love your videos and have learned so much from them. I am especially glad that you moved to the R5 as I have as well. Now, do one on long-exposure shooting!
Thanks! I hardly ever do that tho
Thanks so much for this test and your advice.
Blessings
Glad it was helpful!
Another informative video mate, the silent shooting would be great for very skittish birds that is for sure but it sounds like you will need a few memory cards if shooting at 20fps :-)
yes, that's for sure! Thanks mate
Thanks for this dig into rolling shutter on the R5. My take away is that if you need 20 fps or electronic shutter for action, buy the Sony A9/A9ii. (Really surprised that you compared the R5 to the R instead of the current champ - A9). Now, if I can find a deep dive on the AF comparison between the R5 and the A9ii, I will know which camera to rent for my trials.
I don't have any Sony gear, so not easy to just grab it hehe. From what I have seen now the A1 might be better, but A9 has very similar rolling shutter to the R5, mainly showing in the birds; wings
Excellent as always. Great information. Static vs moving are key messages to introduce or reduce rolling shutter effect. For airplane with propellers, I would use lower shutter speed like 1/100 or 1/60 to blur the propellers for motion look. Rolling shutter may not affect that. I would like to see photographing hummingbird with electronic shutter. Like you said, rolling shutter will be present, but I like to see how bad it is.
me too, maybe someone can make some fly to me in Australia? :D I will try to connect with someone who has hummingbirds & the R5 and report back
Jan Wegener I heard there aren’t any hummingbirds in Europe. You have hummingbirds in Australia? We have many hummingbirds in USA. But they are easier to photograph in Spring when the flowers blossom where they hover around the flowers
@@kennethlui2268 No, no hummingbirds here
Another good video Jan, if the eye tracking initially picks up the Birds Eye and as it is tracking the Af point moves off the bird will it stay in focus? You seem to suggest this in this video, thanks, Ian UK.
Loved it❤️. I will stick with mechanic shutter,12 is more than enough for me only consideration for electronic shutter will be for the silence. Really appreciate the review.
Hey, that's how I will use it too
The point about him taking pictures while pointing at the ground by accident cracked me up :-)
thanks so much for this fabulous informative video.
Glad it was helpful!
One more correction. I said you can use the electronic shutter with lower frame rates, while the camera lets you select that, it actually doesn't change the frame rate and you can only shoot in 20fps. Maybe this is something that can be changed via firmware...
Thank you for confirming what I have found to be true too. You always get 20 fps with the electronic shutter regardless of how the camera is set.
Thanks again Jan. Will be interested in your R6 review in due course. Have a 5D MKIV and a 7D MKII and am thinking of swapping the 7D for the R6.
I will show some comparison of the R5 to my Mark Iv in my next video. Hopefully I can get an R6 at some point, too
Hey Jan, keep the R5 videos coming, great you are still doing this in lockdown. Can you share some RAW files to compare these shots? You tube is pretty hard to notice any difference. Cheers mate.
Thank you. Good idea. I see how I can set that up.
I used the electronic shutter in the yard with small birds and haven't seen any major issues. I agree with you and will keep the shutter on mechanical for safety -- plus 12fps is plenty high and buffer is better. But certainly good to have for those instances you want to be stealth and sneak up on a bird that may not be super active - i.e. roosting owl. 😁
Hi Rina, yes, same experience here. Just shots some head shots and image quality looks pretty similar, too between the two modes.
Agreed, mechanical will do the job almost always
Great material as usual! Nice and clear information about the diferences between elect. And mech. Shutter for wildlife Photography. Could you please do an Ibis Test, including the 400mm f5.6 :) Best Regards
Thanks! Yes, that would be a good one!
Thanks Jan. Another very informative video. Cheers.
My pleasure!
Very good info! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this - guls are not very demanding though - I've shot them a few times.
You're welcome. When you test cameras you need reliable subjects or you can't draw any conclusions
@@jan_wegener Fsir enough - Mark Smith has said that the bird eye AF really struggles when birds are on the water line.
@@Fat-totoro-cat for BIF?
@@jan_wegener he shoots a lot of hawks and other birds of prey diving to the water and grabbing fish and prefers the Sony's for that case.
I noticed you mentioned you could slow the electronic shutter's frame rate down. Maybe it was an mix up of words (meant to describe the mechanical shutter), but I don't think you can do that. E-Shutter only has full speed or single shot. I wish there was a 10 or 5 fps mode.
You are right, it gives you the option, but keeps shooting at 20fps. Oversight on my part
@@jan_wegener Interesting that the option is there, so it might be a bug?
@@donnawetter1513 possible, let's hope so
Thanks Jan. I also hope you get out soon, but fear Vic will be a fortress for a while yet!
I hope so too!
Thanks for your video! EOS R5 just amazing camera.
It really is!
Super review of shutter 👌
Thanks a ton
Greta video. I got an R6 a few days ago and it’s my first mirrorless body so a big learning curve. I was interested to see what you suggested for shutter type for wildlife and you have answered that. Thank you. One question though, for autofocus would you suggest using just animal detection and only switching to eye autofocus when the bird is close or do you use eye autofocus all the time and let it adapt to the subject?
Without watching the video, I can say that from my experience, the answer to your question is simply "Yes". Those who are into wildlife photography should seriously look into the R5. IMHO, IT'S THAT GOOD! ;-)
hehe, I think may answer would be: yes, sometimes :D
Concert photography could be fun.
What affordable lens would you recommend for wildlife to go along with this?
Thanks for the info Jan. I am in the market for an upgrade from my current 5D Mk III and think mirrorless is the way to go.
I'd say so. I am still using my 5D Mark III for some real estate work and it's great, but for wildlife this will be a major upgrade
can you try the electronic shutter for indoor sports like basketball or Volleyball ?
probably not in the near future
hi very useful info thanks i have literally just unboxed my R5 and im blown away with its capabilities im upgrading from a D5 mark3 so its a bit of a learning curve. i do have a query! i have noticed two white arrows locked around the focus square. what are they and what is their use thanks in advance and i love your casts they are very good
cheers
I don't recall seeing any white arrows. Not exactly sure what they are
@@jan_wegener hi again i think i worked it out, when in face or animal focus mode it lets you toggle which eye you want the camera to focus on quite clever in fact
@@markt1758 great
The white arrows are only in single shot focus mode. In servo they go away
Great video. What was the thought behind selecting an aperture of 5.6 versus 2.8 for that fast lens against the sky? I did see the other video about shooting f8 ( and not wide open) which was very helpful.
Giving me more depth of field, so when the camera is slightly off, it will still be in focus
Thank you!
Excellent content, very informative. Now I just need my R5 to ship. Many thanks!
Fingers crossed that will happen soon!
11:03 that is a mistake you cannot dial down the electronic shutter burst speed it is either around 20fps or single shot at a time. Awesome video other than that!
yep
Excellent presentation as always. Practical . Also expecting a review about canon f11 lenses with this camera. Canon 5d Mark IV vs R5
very hopeful to get both done. The 11s I can only get when this stupid lockdown is over down here. Mark Iv should be one of the next few vids
Great video, thanks. Does the 1.6 crop mode affect the rolling shutter? I guess it will have less rolling shutter if the images are cropped on the sensor and it will be the same if the crop are done on the processor.
I haven't used it, but I would not think that it makes a difference. But I am not 100% sure
Thanks. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Jan .I’ve read some shooter’s noticing more rolling shutter on stills with the R6 than the R5. You’ve shot both. Did you notice any of this ? Thanks. Great investigative review !👏🏻👍😃🕊
Haven't used the R6 in a while, so hard to tell
why testing the R5 with a 70-200 at F5.6? any good camera will have good results with this setup. Is your pictures cropped?
I like to use real world examples and I certainly wouldn't photograph birds in flight @ 2.8. The depth of field will be too narrow. The sample images are not cropped
Which lens did u use Jan, and have you tried it with an extender ?
How is the autofocus compared to the 1DxII ?
I have used my 600 with both extenders and the 70-200 with no extenders. The image quality is great. You can see some image samples in my first R5 video.
Since the 1Dx II doesn't have animal eye AF, this camera will have the better AF system for many occasions.
@@jan_wegener Thanx Jan, but which version of the 600 and 70-200 did u use ?
MkI, MkII, MkIII ?
Siegfried Noët both mark II and mark IiI extenders
@@jan_wegener Thanx Jan, that are the same lenses as mine, good to hear that they work perfect on the R5
@@siegfriednoet some of the newer lenses have potentially better IS/IBIS & AF support, but so far these have been great
well said mate...this lockdown just in melb sucks a lot!!!
sure does!
is there a diferend with rolling shutter when you
moving from left to right and when
moving from right to left
yes, everything is leaning the other way
Hi Jan, I really like your videos on the R5, as you review them from a bird photographer's perspective. When the lockdown is over, I would like to see how the AF of the camera performs with a 600 (plus 1.4 extender) to shoot fast birds in flight and not easy targets such as gulls on a 70-200.
I will try more, but did you ever have success tracking fast birds in flight with a 600 + 1.4?
@@jan_wegener It's how we photograph migrating birds from our counting station. Sure, they are not all in focus like with the R5 in your review, but over time you get the experience to track the birds (handheld to have maximum freedom of movement). That's the reason why the AF and the black out (if any) of the R5 when quickly moving around are so interesting for me.
@@thijsskip Makes sense. I have been shooting small birds with 600 & extenders in the past, but I had never a high hit rate. Not done it with this camera yet.
If you watch my review video of the RF you can see a few clips where I filmed the viewfinder while taking images to show the lag. Personally I didn't feel like it was an issue
Very good information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
For the video, I think it shows rolling shutter in Mechanical shutter
The tip of the wings are deformation
At 4:30
I think that's the actual wind bending the feathers
This is so interesting
Another classic test would be to photograph a golf swing. This is where the Sony A9 really shines.
Yes! That would be interesting. I have seen hummingbirds from a9 and it’s pretty bad, so interesting to know it’s doing better with golf
Great video. It was helpful for me even though I am shooting with Olympus.
that's awesome to hear! :)
Really appreciate the extensive testing! Do you happen to have an R to compare it against? I know my R has quite bad rolling shutter but would be very interested to see them side by side in a panning test or something.
No, never used it. From what I have seen, this is substantially better.
(in electronic shutter mode) if you're panning with a subject, like a bird, and the background is just clouds, even if the clouds are out of focus, it wouldn't really matter if the clouds are distorted due to rolling shutters, HOWEVER... say... you're shooting a car race and you're panning with a car, if there are any poles or and building structures in the background... you're going to see all those vertical lines leaning, even if they are out of focus.
Yes, that’s one of the exact cases I mention in the video 😁 anything wit vertical lines will be very challenging
Thoughts on Canon 600mm F/4L IS USM II lens? Might buy one second hand for my R5.
Best lens I have ever used. You could make an argument that the version III lens potentially works better on the R5, but image quality seems to be a little bit worse.
@@jan_wegener I need a wildlife lens as I sold my EF 100-400 II and the RF 100-500 4.5-7.1 looks like crap, I think I should get the lens...
frostybe3r have you seen any decent reviews? I’d like to try one out
@@jan_wegener Saw one review and the images weren't amazing, probably because it's f7.1 and not even 500mm due to focus breathing.
@@frostybe3r interesting
thank you ! love your videos
Glad you like them!
I see u were using the 70-200 II
I think that dosen't get the H+ support. Do how many frames it is giving u??? Both In mechanical and electronic.
Also how many frames does it give one cell battery is below 60%???
Having tested with a 135mm f/2, I am having the H+ in white (7fps) but I take 18~19 pictures/s with electronic shutter (and yes 135mm f/2 is not support for H+ green).
@@benoit.viguier he said he is getting 7 fps and 20 fps in the video so I m confused. So what your milage when the battery is low.
I never made a proper test, but its substantially faster than the mechanical mode.
H+ green I only get on my 600. So potentially this lens is slightly slower. But for frames per second your shutter speed and other circumstances will play a big role, too
Dear Jan please have a review about canon r6 and r5 freezing during taking photos it really annoys some users , thanks
all of mine combined have only ever frozen once, so I cannot comment on that.
I was able to pick it out in the first set because of the frame-to-frame shape change of the background cliffs. Had there only been one frame I wouldn’t have noticed. I don’t think I’d try action shots with trees or buildings as the background.
Yes, it's definitely noticeable, but usable
Thanks Jan.. Very interesting I am still waiting for my camera to arrive at the shop... the upside I am getting all this info before it arrives...
hurry up camera! :D I hope you are enjoying the videos. It's the only ones I can make atm in lockdown
12fps is more than enough for me. Plus the sound is not that loud anyway. So I would use mechanical all the time.
Same for me!
Thanks Jan, once again I found this to be very beneficial. You discussed and explained beautifully questions I was asking myself about the mechanical versus the electronica shutter.
Wonderful!
Thank you for another excellent review!
Thanks again!
Excellent Jan... thank you !
Glad you enjoyed it!
That is why I kept my A9 for its near-perfect electronic shutter.
I heard good things
Hello Jan. Do you know if R6 rolling shutter is worse than Sony A9 mk1 ? And how they compare as of banding in ES? Thank you
I haven't looked into banding myself, but from what I saw the Canons were a bit better in terms of banding.
hi,
Thanks for your informative videos 😁
In your video, you mentions to “dial down the shutter speed on electronic shutter”.
Is it posible ? and if so how ?
Best regards Frank
Ill choice of words. You can't :)
great channel Jan - thanks from Oz...
Glad you are liking my videos :)
Hiis electronic shutter helps in getting sharper images as mechanical movements shakes the sensor,?
To a degree yes
First curtain ES helps too
@@jan_wegener thank you for taking the time to reply, i have subscribed to watch your new videos. You have such a great content. 👍
Hi Jan, Did you try to lower the frame rate in electrical shutter to see whether the same rolling shutter effect is happening or not ?
Once again, thanks for sharing all your experience... like someone said in the comment you should get the commission from Canon. You actually convinced me to upgrade from 5D mark IV to R5 😅👍
I believe electronic shutter offers only 20fps. No lower speed available
Let's lobby Canon :D
Kenneth is correct, it let's you change the mods, but doesn't actually change the Frame Rate
correct
It doesn't surprise me that the Electronic Shutter does well for Seagulls. But I'm curious on how it would perform with birds that flap their wings much faster, like ducks, or smaller birds whose wings flap insanely fast by comparison.
It does ok at times and bad at others
awesome job. thank you
Thanks for watching!
Hello, very interesting video. I have had my Canon R5 since the beginning of August and I really like it despite all the hype of overheating which overshadows the super photographic quality of this camera. As for the burst with the electronic shutter you forgot to mention that this can be problematic for indoor images under different types of light sources. Indoor sports photographers who have to struggle with poor lighting know this problem. This is just more information that I think it was good to mention, Thanks for your videos! Sorry for my poor English, I'm a French Canadian and I translated my comments with google translate.
Hi Denis, good point! Especially cheap lighting can give you same banding
Great video! Can't wait to get my R6 🙂
How do you record your viewfinder, with the focus points?
I just used another camera, but it would be best to use an Atomos external recorder
Thank you for the review. Appreciated very much. Just bought R5 and working as expect. Using EF 100-400m MkII lens and seems that the IS working almost all the time when the camera switched on. Is it normal? What about the battery lifetime? I expect that the IS start running when the back button focus pushed. (like 5D Mk IV what I had before)
On a mirrorless the IS runs whenever it is on
Nice video! Other question. When I ‘chimp’ through my shots on the camera, the R5 shows always the last picture after being in ‘sleep mode’, instead of the last viewed picture. Do you know how to change this? Many thanks!!
I am not sure, but If you can change it, I think it would be in the blue menu
Jan Wegener thanks! I am afraid that it is no longer adjustable in contrast to the 5d series... :-(
@@chrisvanrijswijk2793 seems like a strange oversight. Would be an easy firmware fix
Very helpful
Glad you think so!
@@jan_wegener just picked up a r7 and wanted to Ko e if the electronic shutter is good for birding 👍👌
Any info on the electronic shutter readout speed? For example, the a9 has a readout speed of 1/160 of a second. I'm curious how fast the R5 does it without a stacked sensor.
not sure, sorry
Brilliant video thanks!
Glad you liked it!