Valiente y firme hasta el final fue así que recordamos lo grande que fue Isabel I de españa, pero más la actriz que dio vida a este personaje histórico, Michelle jenner sin duda la mejor isabel.
Brave and firm until the end it was so we remember how great Isabel I of Spain was, but more the actress who gave life to this historical character, Michelle Jenner without doubt the best Isabel.
Habéis notado el detalle de la orden de santiago colgando del cuello de Isabel en esta escena? Recordáis la primera temporada, cuando Juan Pacheco le arrebata el Maestrazgo de la orden de Santiago al hermano de Isabel, el Infante Alfonso? Años después, con muchísimas victorias y toda una vida de éxito a su espalda, a pesar de los intentos de Pacheco, está aquí de pie dando la cara frente al hijo de su mortal enemigo con la orden que en su día le arrebató colgada del cuello después de haberla recuperado para la corona. Vaya venganza más poética. Esta escena es puro ARTE 🤌lo mejor de todo es que en el famoso cuadro de su lecho de muerte, y en unos cuantos más, también aparece con la orden de santiago colgando del cuello. Así que encima es bastante realista.
I know that Isabella gets a lot of shit for the horrible things she did, and I’m not saying she was a great person, but she was an EXTRAORDINARY QUEEN, and that’s what mattered at the time. As a Spaniard I’m so proud of her and Ferdinand.
I have no idea why other women like Elizabeth I became feminist icons and Isabella not so much. She was breaking conventions all her life and achieved things any male monarch would be envy of.
I do. There's a lot of Protestant propaganda behind the black legend around the Spanish inquisition and conquest of the New World. How else can it be explained that most natives in North America "extinguished", and still the ones accused of slaughtering the conquered civilizations are the Spaniards?
crikitaftw propaganda that is grounded in some truth but also grossly exaggerated. If indigenous culture and society had been totally exterminated and lost to the void, why are indigenous languages the majority in many Latin American culture. Mestizaje also preserved much of indigenous blood and culture.
Comparing it to the Natives' quasi disappearance in North America is a good example and I also often bring it up. Although we also have to calculate with the fact that the Northern part of America was much less densely populated due to the harsher weather conditions. The indigenous nations in the north were also less developed, they can't be compared to advanced Maya, Aztec or Inca societies. And the less developed a society is the easier to defeat them.
Even though he got off very easily in the end, Pacheco probably thought in his mind “I should have just remained silent as they drag me away to kill me on that scaffold instead of bowing down to a liar”.
It was badass but I wonder if it was a good move or not. It seems to be the final trigger for Pacheco to take sides with Philip instead of Ferdinand. Maybe it would have been better to reward him abundantly and that way maybe he would have stayed with Ferdinand if she asks him or makes him swear. Before this, Pacheco refused to say yes to Belmonte's offer, saying he would like to see if Isabella gives him something and he will decide only later. (But of course Isabella could not have knowledge about that.) And after this, he runs to Belmonte to offer his support to Philip.
Lili1127 Well, it was a good idea because Queen Isabel finally got her revenge on one Pacheco. If it was a bad idea, I’m not sure but let’s look it like this; Pacheco did run to Belmonte/Felipe side, like his father did earlier and he still lost. Because Carlos, per Queen Isabel’s last will, became ruler of Castile, with Queen Juana hidden away due to her mental capacity. So to me, it looks like Queen Isabel won in the end against the Pachecos of the time. 😊🌞🙂🤔♥️😇
Pacheco gave Ferdinand a really hard time after Isabella's death, because he and many other nobles preferred and supported Philip. Philip seemed to win the contest until the moment of his sudden death. So maybe Ferdinand was obligated to murder to get power in Castile (or maybe Philip died of natural causes, who knows). Then Pacheco swore allegiance to Cisneros and the regent Ferdinand and he kept on being well off. Later he also enjoyed the favor of Charles, he even got new titles from him, such as the Golden Fleece (Toisón de Oro). He supported Charles's wars against France with millions of maravedies (just like he supported the war for Granada, fighting for Isabella...). He died in 1529 as a rich and powerful grandee of Spain.
@@Lily1127channel Carlos would always be a nasty foreign king because he was not educated in Spain. Fernando, his brother, should have been the king of Castile and Aragon, although it did not go so badly since he later founded the Habsburg line outside of Spain and both dominated his time.
I would not say he preferred lawlessness, that's not so true. But very wealthy and powerful lords usually preferred monarchs with less strong will. Monarchs who wanted to centralize power were usually a threat to such lords because they often deprived them of some of their privileges. Pacheco's father was an enemy of Isabella, he wanted Henry IV's "daughter" Joanna on the throne. He died just before Henry died, and Diego inherited the animosity towards Isabella and the cause to support Joanna. I would not say he was evil by his own right, he just wanted to follow his father's footsteps. So when war broke out for the throne between Isabella and Joanna, Pacheco supported Joanna. When Joanna lost, Pacheco, somewhat forced, bent the knee to Isabella and swore allegiance to her. Then they lived in peace for a long long time (more than 25 years), Pacheco even strongly supported Isabella's war for Granada. So I don't understand this dislike from Isabella's part. She of all people, the big Christian she is, should know how to forgive... Especially after so many years of peace and support. Pacheco expected that at the end of Isabella's reign she would give him back some titles she took from him after his rebellion, as a sign of gratitude for the many years of serving her. She didn't, so Pacheco decided he would support Joanna and Philip and not Ferdinand as Isabella would want.
@@Lily1127channel The Pachecos were only loyal to their ambitions and what was convenient for them. Diego's father himself was not that loyal to King Henry IV. Because Henry IV favored Beltran de La Cueva, he started a civil war using the claim of Henry's half-brother and Isabella's younger brother, Alfonso. He sought to either force Henry to submit to his conditions or usurp him and put Alfonso on the throne instead, so he could control the new king. But when Alfonso proved to be more strong willed than Henry, he would have none of it and switched sides again, and poisoned the prince. Isabella inherited her brother's cause and used the civil war to get the Pacts of Guisando, an agreement with Henry in which she was proclaimed Princess of Asturias and as such, his heiress, instead of Joanna. Those pacts also consisted on Isabella being able to have a say on who she was to marry, on her not being able to distance herself too much from Castile, etc, basically things that were on her favor so those men could not control her life anymore, as she had already suffered with forced proposals on her with King Alfonso V of Portugal and Diego's uncle, who was a rapist and a bloodthirsty man. Also, the mistreatment both her and Alfonso suffered from Henry and his Queen, Joanna of Portugal, didn't help very much for them to have any tenderness or respect for the King (being taken away from their mother, Joanna trying to intimidate and humiliate them, Henry's neglect). Those plots were their chance to make their lives better, that's why both Alfonso and later Isabella took those opportunities, with Alfonso being more rebel and careless than Isabella, as he agreed on proclaiming himself King, while Isabella agreed to end the war by contenting herself with the title of Princess of Asturias instead of Queen. But back to the subject, as you see, Henry did not honor the pacts, and wanted to force Isabella to marry the french King Louis XI's younger brother, Charles of Valois, the Duke of Guillena, Berry and Normandy. Isabella counted on the help of Carrillo, Archbishop of Toledo and Diego's grand-uncle, to counterattack Henry's plot, which was supported by Diego's father, who did not like the idea of Isabella as Princess of Asturias, as she was not as easy to control as Henry's daughter, Joanna. Isabella ran away to marry Ferdinand instead. This caused both Henry and Isabella to be hostile to each other for many years, and Henry tried to have his daughter married to Isabella's former suitor to have France backing him against Aragon, on Diego's father's advice. When they reconciled and Henry died, he didn't leave any document stating who would be his heiress. Isabella wasted no time and proclaimed herself as Queen. The Pachecos, lead by Diego now, whose father had died before King Henry IV, sided with Joanna instead of Isabella, as they wished for a more docile Queen. Isabella won the war, and Diego was forced to bend the knee, on the threat of execution. Isabella never forgot how the Pachecos were backstabing to Henry and to herself once, and was always wary of them, and she was right to do so. When she ascended the throne, Castile was a stage for plots, conspiracies and anarchy, and the monarch was only a puppet at the mercy of the ambitious nobles. She and Ferdinand changed that and reinforced royal authority over that of the nobles'. It is the monarch who has the last word, not the nobility. Diego of course only wished for Castile's fate to be back in the hands of his family, and when Isabella denied him that by not giving back his power completely, he turned to Philip, who would be more favorable to his aspirations than the Catholic Monarchs. I hope I explained everything clearly, and sorry for the long text :D
@@cringecat3614 Of course, I know the story and I also saw season 1. Diego's father conspired against Henry too, because he was not satisfied with his ruling (honestly, few were). But in the end he died favoring Henry and Joanna, and rejecting Isabella, and that's what Diego inherited from him. But he eventually lost and bent the knee to Isabella, did everything she asked, and loyally served her and even strongly supported the war for Granada. What he (and many other nobles) didn't want was a strong absolutistic ruler like Ferdinand (he calls him "tyrant", and actually many did the same). Ferdinand was more abolutistic and less compromising in his ruling ways than Isabella, that's why many in Castile didn't want him. Aragon's war for Naples was also in progress, and many Castilians feared that Castile would have to pay this war, which they didn't feel interested in, if Ferdinand got full power. What Pacheco always wanted was to get back his family's main inheritance, the Marquisate of Villena, and he always served Isabella so eagerly to get it back from her in the end. But Isabella refused to give it to him eventually. Ferdinand was not willing either, so he chose to support Philip who promised him the marquisate. He did not want chaos or civil war or lawlessness in Castile, neither did he want the country in his hands, he wanted his title. It's the irony of fate that at Philip's death the document of giving him the marquisate was on his desk but unsigned.
@@soledadferrer1325 The problem is that Isabella was a very important figure for the world in general and her politics, as much as Ferdinand's, changed the known world. They didn't buy the series, so it's not dubbed because the Anglo-Saxon world lives on lies and navel gazing
Great scene! One of the main reasons why Queen Isabel is considered one of the greatest rulers ever!
Elizabeth 1st of England was also a great Queen.
@@kaiser1295 That goes without saying . Also one of the greatest rulers ever.
@@kaiser1295 thats a matter of opinion
@@marionsmith4728 No. it’s based on historical facts. Elizabeth’s rule was declared the Golden age of England.
@@kaiser1295 she was a tyrant and a hypocrite, try telling her Catholic subjects that she was such a great queen
Valiente y firme hasta el final fue así que recordamos lo grande que fue Isabel I de españa, pero más la actriz que dio vida a este personaje histórico, Michelle jenner sin duda la mejor isabel.
Isabel de Castilla
Brave and firm until the end it was so we remember how great Isabel I of Spain was, but more the actress who gave life to this historical character, Michelle Jenner without doubt the best Isabel.
Ambas grandes en lo suyo, pero decir que Michelle es más grande que Isabel la Católica me parece exagerar.
@@AguedaGy mucho.
The music in the series is awesome and the acting very good
amazing. Isabel is a saint in my books...incredible leadership.
Isabel, tan inspiradora. Isabella, so inspiring....
Long live Queen Isabel of Castile!!This woman was amazing I need her courage
Thanks for the uploads Lili!
Haber llegado mi hora,es mi deseo que todos sepan que mori igual que viví, plantando cara a mis enemigos.
Habéis notado el detalle de la orden de santiago colgando del cuello de Isabel en esta escena? Recordáis la primera temporada, cuando Juan Pacheco le arrebata el Maestrazgo de la orden de Santiago al hermano de Isabel, el Infante Alfonso? Años después, con muchísimas victorias y toda una vida de éxito a su espalda, a pesar de los intentos de Pacheco, está aquí de pie dando la cara frente al hijo de su mortal enemigo con la orden que en su día le arrebató colgada del cuello después de haberla recuperado para la corona. Vaya venganza más poética. Esta escena es puro ARTE 🤌lo mejor de todo es que en el famoso cuadro de su lecho de muerte, y en unos cuantos más, también aparece con la orden de santiago colgando del cuello. Así que encima es bastante realista.
This is the scene I was talking about.
I know that Isabella gets a lot of shit for the horrible things she did, and I’m not saying she was a great person, but she was an EXTRAORDINARY QUEEN, and that’s what mattered at the time.
As a Spaniard I’m so proud of her and Ferdinand.
She was a great person in some areas😊. I am happy Spain had a queen like her and a king like Fernando
I have no idea why other women like Elizabeth I became feminist icons and Isabella not so much. She was breaking conventions all her life and achieved things any male monarch would be envy of.
I do. There's a lot of Protestant propaganda behind the black legend around the Spanish inquisition and conquest of the New World. How else can it be explained that most natives in North America "extinguished", and still the ones accused of slaughtering the conquered civilizations are the Spaniards?
crikitaftw propaganda that is grounded in some truth but also grossly exaggerated. If indigenous culture and society had been totally exterminated and lost to the void, why are indigenous languages the majority in many Latin American culture. Mestizaje also preserved much of indigenous blood and culture.
Comparing it to the Natives' quasi disappearance in North America is a good example and I also often bring it up. Although we also have to calculate with the fact that the Northern part of America was much less densely populated due to the harsher weather conditions. The indigenous nations in the north were also less developed, they can't be compared to advanced Maya, Aztec or Inca societies. And the less developed a society is the easier to defeat them.
Even though he got off very easily in the end, Pacheco probably thought in his mind “I should have just remained silent as they drag me away to kill me on that scaffold instead of bowing down to a liar”.
Damn, talk about badass!
It was badass but I wonder if it was a good move or not. It seems to be the final trigger for Pacheco to take sides with Philip instead of Ferdinand. Maybe it would have been better to reward him abundantly and that way maybe he would have stayed with Ferdinand if she asks him or makes him swear.
Before this, Pacheco refused to say yes to Belmonte's offer, saying he would like to see if Isabella gives him something and he will decide only later. (But of course Isabella could not have knowledge about that.) And after this, he runs to Belmonte to offer his support to Philip.
Lili1127 Well, it was a good idea because Queen Isabel finally got her revenge on one Pacheco. If it was a bad idea, I’m not sure but let’s look it like this; Pacheco did run to Belmonte/Felipe side, like his father did earlier and he still lost. Because Carlos, per Queen Isabel’s last will, became ruler of Castile, with Queen Juana hidden away due to her mental capacity. So to me, it looks like Queen Isabel won in the end against the Pachecos of the time. 😊🌞🙂🤔♥️😇
Pacheco gave Ferdinand a really hard time after Isabella's death, because he and many other nobles preferred and supported Philip. Philip seemed to win the contest until the moment of his sudden death. So maybe Ferdinand was obligated to murder to get power in Castile (or maybe Philip died of natural causes, who knows).
Then Pacheco swore allegiance to Cisneros and the regent Ferdinand and he kept on being well off. Later he also enjoyed the favor of Charles, he even got new titles from him, such as the Golden Fleece (Toisón de Oro). He supported Charles's wars against France with millions of maravedies (just like he supported the war for Granada, fighting for Isabella...). He died in 1529 as a rich and powerful grandee of Spain.
@@Lily1127channel Carlos would always be a nasty foreign king because he was not educated in Spain. Fernando, his brother, should have been the king of Castile and Aragon, although it did not go so badly since he later founded the Habsburg line outside of Spain and both dominated his time.
@@miab.9521 Isabel usurped her niece’s throne. There’s nothing feminist about it.
Tell me again why did Diego Lopez Pacheco disloyal to Isabel.
I would not say he preferred lawlessness, that's not so true. But very wealthy and powerful lords usually preferred monarchs with less strong will. Monarchs who wanted to centralize power were usually a threat to such lords because they often deprived them of some of their privileges.
Pacheco's father was an enemy of Isabella, he wanted Henry IV's "daughter" Joanna on the throne. He died just before Henry died, and Diego inherited the animosity towards Isabella and the cause to support Joanna. I would not say he was evil by his own right, he just wanted to follow his father's footsteps. So when war broke out for the throne between Isabella and Joanna, Pacheco supported Joanna. When Joanna lost, Pacheco, somewhat forced, bent the knee to Isabella and swore allegiance to her. Then they lived in peace for a long long time (more than 25 years), Pacheco even strongly supported Isabella's war for Granada.
So I don't understand this dislike from Isabella's part. She of all people, the big Christian she is, should know how to forgive... Especially after so many years of peace and support.
Pacheco expected that at the end of Isabella's reign she would give him back some titles she took from him after his rebellion, as a sign of gratitude for the many years of serving her. She didn't, so Pacheco decided he would support Joanna and Philip and not Ferdinand as Isabella would want.
@@Lily1127channel The Pachecos were only loyal to their ambitions and what was convenient for them. Diego's father himself was not that loyal to King Henry IV. Because Henry IV favored Beltran de La Cueva, he started a civil war using the claim of Henry's half-brother and Isabella's younger brother, Alfonso. He sought to either force Henry to submit to his conditions or usurp him and put Alfonso on the throne instead, so he could control the new king. But when Alfonso proved to be more strong willed than Henry, he would have none of it and switched sides again, and poisoned the prince. Isabella inherited her brother's cause and used the civil war to get the Pacts of Guisando, an agreement with Henry in which she was proclaimed Princess of Asturias and as such, his heiress, instead of Joanna. Those pacts also consisted on Isabella being able to have a say on who she was to marry, on her not being able to distance herself too much from Castile, etc, basically things that were on her favor so those men could not control her life anymore, as she had already suffered with forced proposals on her with King Alfonso V of Portugal and Diego's uncle, who was a rapist and a bloodthirsty man. Also, the mistreatment both her and Alfonso suffered from Henry and his Queen, Joanna of Portugal, didn't help very much for them to have any tenderness or respect for the King (being taken away from their mother, Joanna trying to intimidate and humiliate them, Henry's neglect). Those plots were their chance to make their lives better, that's why both Alfonso and later Isabella took those opportunities, with Alfonso being more rebel and careless than Isabella, as he agreed on proclaiming himself King, while Isabella agreed to end the war by contenting herself with the title of Princess of Asturias instead of Queen. But back to the subject, as you see, Henry did not honor the pacts, and wanted to force Isabella to marry the french King Louis XI's younger brother, Charles of Valois, the Duke of Guillena, Berry and Normandy. Isabella counted on the help of Carrillo, Archbishop of Toledo and Diego's grand-uncle, to counterattack Henry's plot, which was supported by Diego's father, who did not like the idea of Isabella as Princess of Asturias, as she was not as easy to control as Henry's daughter, Joanna. Isabella ran away to marry Ferdinand instead. This caused both Henry and Isabella to be hostile to each other for many years, and Henry tried to have his daughter married to Isabella's former suitor to have France backing him against Aragon, on Diego's father's advice. When they reconciled and Henry died, he didn't leave any document stating who would be his heiress. Isabella wasted no time and proclaimed herself as Queen. The Pachecos, lead by Diego now, whose father had died before King Henry IV, sided with Joanna instead of Isabella, as they wished for a more docile Queen. Isabella won the war, and Diego was forced to bend the knee, on the threat of execution. Isabella never forgot how the Pachecos were backstabing to Henry and to herself once, and was always wary of them, and she was right to do so. When she ascended the throne, Castile was a stage for plots, conspiracies and anarchy, and the monarch was only a puppet at the mercy of the ambitious nobles. She and Ferdinand changed that and reinforced royal authority over that of the nobles'. It is the monarch who has the last word, not the nobility. Diego of course only wished for Castile's fate to be back in the hands of his family, and when Isabella denied him that by not giving back his power completely, he turned to Philip, who would be more favorable to his aspirations than the Catholic Monarchs. I hope I explained everything clearly, and sorry for the long text :D
@@cringecat3614 Of course, I know the story and I also saw season 1. Diego's father conspired against Henry too, because he was not satisfied with his ruling (honestly, few were). But in the end he died favoring Henry and Joanna, and rejecting Isabella, and that's what Diego inherited from him. But he eventually lost and bent the knee to Isabella, did everything she asked, and loyally served her and even strongly supported the war for Granada.
What he (and many other nobles) didn't want was a strong absolutistic ruler like Ferdinand (he calls him "tyrant", and actually many did the same). Ferdinand was more abolutistic and less compromising in his ruling ways than Isabella, that's why many in Castile didn't want him. Aragon's war for Naples was also in progress, and many Castilians feared that Castile would have to pay this war, which they didn't feel interested in, if Ferdinand got full power.
What Pacheco always wanted was to get back his family's main inheritance, the Marquisate of Villena, and he always served Isabella so eagerly to get it back from her in the end. But Isabella refused to give it to him eventually. Ferdinand was not willing either, so he chose to support Philip who promised him the marquisate. He did not want chaos or civil war or lawlessness in Castile, neither did he want the country in his hands, he wanted his title. It's the irony of fate that at Philip's death the document of giving him the marquisate was on his desk but unsigned.
Because she helped Joanna la beltraneja in the war against isabel
@@sandrasarmientolopez5101 Isabel usurped her niece’s throne. There’s nothing feminist about it.
Wasn't she in Pointbreak? Her eyes remind me of Lori Petty.
edit: nm, it's Michelle Jenner. Same eye though. Weird.
To bad it's not in English
Don't you think it makes sense to have a series about the life of a Spanish queen spoken in Spanish?
@@soledadferrer1325 The problem is that Isabella was a very important figure for the world in general and her politics, as much as Ferdinand's, changed the known world.
They didn't buy the series, so it's not dubbed because the Anglo-Saxon world lives on lies and navel gazing
Learn Spanish then.
There are subtitles. I assume people these days CAN read? You can also learn Spanish. ❤💛