Yeah, thinking that Steve is better than King, and that he is in the same tier as Shaheen, Claudio, Law and Byron is very strange. Numan and Heera are overworking as fuck.
@@alondjeckto yea this list is a shot at heera 100%😂😂😂 the guy can't even launch -15 moves..😂😂😂 hes good but he has to work super hard... could only launch punish -16 or or higher lows.... Steves tools does not compensate for that huge disadvantage....
@@lestonclark2398the mans turn does not end and you cant retaliate against him without being evaded or countered. You literally have to sit holding block the whole match
@@zephune9506there are tons of gaps, most of his strings have highs you can duck. Also he has gaps you can press on but you gotta understand when they are. He’s like Hwo where you have to know how the character works in order to really fight him
@@zephune9506 u really dont want me to whip out my king list people be like "arslan is the goat what he says is law" but it dont take being micheal jordan for an average fan to know lebron james is better than jordan poole...arslan just probably bodies king more than he does steve but that doesnt make him better than king...
I've seen Heera's set with Arslan on stream, the guy makes steve look insane. Ridiculous cancels and so much tech, I swear Pakistan is so insane. Their chatacter loyalists are something else.
What you said ab Lee is so facts,I feel like the character is so fun and really crazy at times but you have to actually be swaggy with him. I’m only raijin and the rare times I fight Lee they never kno how to do anything close to optimal combos, and their neutral is always random
Hes definitely hard to play a high level but like lower and mid level i think hes dumb strong cuz of his stances its pretty easy to knowledge check with him but even at a high level hes got crazy offense and strong defense he just dont got a good punish game if he could launch you without a counterhit easier then i think he'd be A+
could you put some timestamps for your thoughts on characters? i think it would help for ppl to come back to for ease of reference. great vid gm love hearing your thoughts
A tier list is completely subjective when the sentiment is share by a few people. Especially when the person can make valid points on why this character belongs here or there. I can also understand why some individuals are passionate about their character. They feel their main is the best of the best, deserving a high placement on the list. Others believe said character needs to be on the lower end because of their personal distaste. Not many players are honest with themselves to look at their character objectively and not commit overplay or downplay.
GM, you're absolutely right. People who don't hard lab the game and its characters don't really have an accurate say. Also, the tires change depending on the skill level of the individual. For example, if you're a red or orange rank player, Eddy, Panda, and Hwoarang will without doubt be top 3 in S tier at that skill level. Arslan is a word class player. This tire list comes from his experience with the game. GM, do you agree that the placements on a tier list come from the experience and understanding of the individual who makes them, which is why your tier list would be slightly different from Arslan tier list?
Yeah you still got mad lilli players that just mash and they could random you out which aint gonna happen at the top level obv but her neitral game is really strong, only thing holding her back is i think her pressure is kinda average
How you feel about Lee, which I agree with as well, about having to be cold with him to body players in this game is also how I feel about shaheen. Regardless of how strong he is nobody can just pick up shaheen & just body top players just by pocketing him
Definitely cuz he feels so awkward to play despite him being a fairly straightforward character, you gotta put in work to play him but if you do you will be handsomely rewarded
I wonder how long will the Jin gaslighting will last? We've never had a t8 Jin win any major tournament, he's "soo perfect and dumb" that we see a Kazuya player and DJin player do better than longtime Jin mains. Is his electric (only thing that requires execution) so hard to do, that pros with a decade+ of experience can't do it consistently if they switch to a Mishima? (which some do and used to do back in t6, tt2, t7)
@@kachucho872 there are a lot of jin players that get really far in tournaments. And as a tekken god in ranked, i can assure you that the worst players are jin players. Players that wont punish, wont move. 90% of jins in ranked (yes even god ranks) have 0 defense and rely on random zen u1, 2,1,4 bs and the typical jin flow chart rushdown. So yea, your argument is simply wrong and ez to debunk. Jin is one of the most braindead characters in the game and its very obvious
@@Stiffs8000 I never talked about casual gameplay. I'm talking about Tier lists made by actual pro players that make a living out of using the best of the best, not the pseudo intellectuals on yt that think that having a big channel and following makes them the voice of reason, and said person's fanbase just regurgitate whatever was spewed because of an obvious agenda at play. Not a single top player has won on even reached top 4 with Jin in the entirety of T8. Top players can react to the famous d2, and hellsweep more than 50% of the times, and even if they could only react to those moves 30% of the time, it's still enough of a risk to get demolished for trying that move. And it's not even about how hard execution wise or gameplay wise is Jin, when people like Atif mained Akuma and stapled all his hard combos.
@@kachucho872 you talk a lot of bs out of your ahh. Cbm definitely made it to some finals for sure. The moves you mentioned, wow so you people can react to a raw d2, cool. What about that fact that its only minus 14, reaches almost full screen, instantly high crushes etc... List goes on. You 100% are a jin downplayer because you play jin. You complain about non pros complaining about jin, what about arslan? Go tell arslan that he doesnt know real tekken (btw liking ur own comments for approval is kinda pathetic)
Agreed overall, it’s seems the vast majority have the same chars at S and A tiers. I do hope they give something to Lee in heat that’s literally all he’s missing but I also feel like if they do we’ll see a lot more Lees
35:11 "YOU LANDON ON THE WRONG POST" LMFAOOOOOO that shit is funny as hell. You know what as someone past the blue ranks at Tekken King I still think most of these tier lists either look basically the same or they're just not even worth my time, and Arslan's takes aren't worth my time.
@2:22 Regarding Jin 1) 2,1 yes its -3 which mean if the Jin player is spamming 214 you can sidewalk right to his back and he dies - this has always been the case 2) 214 = If the player is getting CH by the 4 that means 1 of 2 things: One the opponent is mashing or two you are not reading that jin is delaying the 4 to bait out the CH …if Jin delays the 4 you can back dash and launch it or you can side step and launch him Nobody brings up this counter-play - so its actually high risk medium reward for Jin to do that versus a very high level player who has labbed it 3) Heat Smash = yes it is one of the best heat smashes in the game but thats because just like LEE Jin has No heat enhancements - sure Jin has the Power stance (omen) but its useless in the neutral only somewhat viable at the wall. Jin in heat is not really a true mixup since its always a mid little reason to duck - and its actually has less tracking than many people claim 4) D2 = Yes i agree many Jin players with "high ranks" got there on the strength of this move - i believe in season 2 namco will do one of two things with this move: One they will make it -15 or -16 so everyone can launch it (but keep the CH combo) or two keep it -14 but take away the CH combo giving a free follow up 5) F4 = has LESS range than it does from T7 and Tag2 ALL of Jins Zen option stances can be OPTION SELECTABLE by a DF1 (13F mid check) this forces the jin player to either not do the zen transition OR learn the Zen cancel
making d2 -15 would render the move useless i think but if we HAVE TO nerf d2 then remove the CH properties. then i suggest giving his hellsweep a buff, make it CH launch and faster like kazuya’s (which is the main low and unreactable low)
Great tier list imo. Makes a lot of sense in my experience. I am tempted to swap Steve and King's placements but it's fine either way. Even before the buffs I thought Steve was pretty good just off of the Kenpo they gave him. That shit is OD. That said I wouldn't turn away some additional buffs. 😃
It would be the funniest thing EVER to see Arslan get beaten badly by any of the characters he calls trash. I personally don't think any are trash but, some are definitely HARDER to win tournaments with or even beat very knowledgeable opponents with.
Arslan had Jun in F tier in his last tier list, so I'm curious to see what his reasoning is for moving her up several tiers. I'll have to check out his video. Personally, I have Jun VERY high. She's super strong IMO. Very difficult to deal with. Very flow charty character, and that's kind of her weakness. A lot of people play her the same way. She's also a character that you have to play against on a good connection. It's a must or else it's hard to punish some of her BS.
@@funkrates4778 I did he put Jun in b tier in his tier list and I'm not sure why you think deserves to be very high when comparing to the very high characters like Nina and dragunov, she as not as aggressive and oppressive as them. On top of that she does not have a i15 launcher and her lows are mid
Ungabunga offense only good She's fundamentally a broken half baked character and the design team doesn't know how to balance her or her healing factor. I can agree she's not S tier but she has some extreme knowledge checks in her kit. Along with the fact she's braindead to play it's almost impossible to lose if your opponent is mashing or playing poorly. I could go on but digress. Her heat burst is insane and punishes the unpunishable and can be used as a low mix-up launcher at wall. She is incredible. Yoshi is absolutely fucked is the final thing I'll say.
I think if they ever buff Lee they could make his sliding knockdown in heat or have the just frame knockdown, maybe some new options in mist step or some new mids
I play Steve and I think Arslan rated him just a little too high but he’s still very good. I just think some of the chars below him are better. I’d say he’s like 14? But he’s definitely very underrated by the community
devil jin and lars should go up asuka is above jun. kazuya, paul. lili at A. heihachi at A plus with king and victor. yoshi at A damage everyone do unblock u can sidestep or hopkick and its part of his kit same with flash.
Obviously tier list are subjective. The thing about T8 is that tiers change dramatically when a character enters heat. In my opinion, some of the A+, A, and B tiers become S tier when they are in heat. These tier list really don't mean anything. Almost every character in this game is over tuned so I don't see a reason to complain too much. Alot of player complaints are just dumb people gossip.
I think Jin is top 6-10 but he's weaker than Alisa and Feng, but I would swap Jin with Feng and Feng with Alisa and Make Lee High B/Low A. Everything else is very good otherwise.
A character having strong tracking isn't referring to them having a plethora of tracking moves; it refers to them having a variety of viable moves that cover both stepping options so the player can deal with their opponents tendencies. Having an even distribution of useful moves that separately cover the left and right ss = good/great character. Having a bunch of powerful attacks that have homing = broken character
I actually think Azucena is pretty strong. People focused on her running attack way too much and after the nerf everyone thinks she's trash. That's kinda dumb imo. I see no value in anybody's tier list these days as there can be no general consensus.
As much as you call out scrubby players(with good reason), I love the way you show respect to the pro players. This is why I subscribed on twitch. Good stuff mang, keep it up.
Steve does not have plus frame other than the 17f high that's only +3, while running 2 that's easy to step or a high high string. A character with 0 tracking mids cannot be s tier. Stop complaining and start labbing. Not surprising Arslan knows and you didnt
As a King main, Hwoarang and Steve being a higher tier than King is criminal. King can easily shut their offense down with his muscle armor. Probably the scrubbiest move I can't stop using 😑😞
I honestly agree that Bryan is really strong. I main Bryan and i recently got to Fujin for the first time, but those counter hits really hurts and deals a lot of dmg in general. He doesnt have that much bullshit, besides the fact that Incinerator tracks a lot and honestly idk why it tracks that much, and also Requiem's tracking is busted for the dmg that he does. I really think that Bryan is strong, But, i honestly disagree the point of his punisment. In my opinion is not that great where comes to punishment. Yes, having Jet Upper as your 14f punish and also as your Whiff punish is really good, but other than that, is not great, especially if the oponent has good defense. For example, his WS 3 its 12F but unless the oponent likes to press this much, is not gonna do a lot, or you just have the 4, 3 as your 12f punish. In my opinion, if Bryan has "strong punishment" its because he relies on timing. Im not consider my self as a good player or anything like that and i might be wrong, but thats my opinion. Btw, greetings from Colombia and sorry if my english is not that good LMAO
I still dont agree with the Alisa placement on most list and Arslan said this is in order. At least he didnt put her in top 5 like most people. She literally does nothing outside of chain saws, Its hard for me to see her being better than top 10 characters. I cant see her being top 10 though. But I wouldnt put her below A in this list. I also love his ling placement too because people be placing her dumb high all the time. When all you have to do is watch her kill herself being below Kuma though is funny to me but no big deal.
Raven def big trash in heat his clones jus are -3 that's it and can only use clone moves twice if they don't hit. He's literally ALL pokes and hella mind games Raven is one of the hardest workers in the entire game. You HAVE TO have movement down to at least a intermediate level and you have to have HIGH footsy game you need to know frame data and be on point with MU knowledge. His punishments are weak af. Raven's gameplan is to condition opponents and you gotta do it fast to make them scared of you. If they know matchup and know he's all fake pressure they not going to bite.
Man bro yall got a plus on block power crush that is homing in a character you REALLY have to step and yall got 8f CH launchers, let's look at ourselves as players and realise that it's us and not our characters.
@@SnowflakeSSQ I dont play him anymore believe me he is dog shit, even blackheart a player who got all god of destructions said hwoarang was most difficult to get the rank. His power crush is slowest and only out of stance its actually reactable to duck unlike other safe powercrush. Flappy kicks outside of heat is highly punishable. Trust me on this. Zero initiation utility I could go on and on.
You're right though, Lee is all dependent on the driver, the one using him. If he's good it's because the player is good, which takes skill and experience. That's why I kinda agree with Lee being lower tier because of the effort one needs to put in to be consistent. If you ain't on point Lee isn't a consistent character if you wanna optimize him.
Hwoarang has: - bad movement (his sidestep is ass) - lackluster punishment - poor/little knockdown moves - bad neutral game - bad oki - trash get off me tools (besides the -14 power crush he can cancel) - mid get in options I think he's a balanced character that people overrate because they don't realize they don't have to duck against him outside of heat
@ i think leo is pretty nasty tbh legitimately the only character in the game that has every tool. leo doesn’t really have any glaring weaknesses either the reason leo isn’t S tier is because those characters are just insane but there’s no reason leo shouldn’t be A+ imo
Jin is stronger than Dragunov, 1,000 percent. I would argue that he might be the strongest character in the game, but at the same time, it's a super difficult case to make that he's better than Nina or Yoshi. I think is S tier list is spot on. I'm glad he has Steve up so high. Just like you, I'm tired of the Steve down-players. I would have King in the A+ category, almost S tier, IMO. I also would have some of these characters that are really low higher, but that's just me.
@@shaftmastr7753 Yeah. Jin definitely has better options. The complete package. There isn’t another character out there except maybe Yoshi that is as well rounded. I think Yoshi arguably might be more overtuned but I can’t think of any other character that’s so complete.
Nina 0:44
Yoshi 1:29
Jin 2:23
Drag 3:10
Feng 3:23
Alisa 4:38
Claudio 5:37
Shaheen 6:35
Bryan 7:24
Law 8:30
Hwo 9:03
Steve 10:22
King 12:32
Victor 13:47
Kuma 14:03
Xiaoyu 14:55
Reina 15:50
Zafina 16:40
Lili 17:26
Paul 17:55
Jun 19:20
Heihachi 20:28
Jack-8 21:00
Eddy 21:41
Lidia 22:32
Kazuya 22:48
Leo 23:04
Leroy 23:11
Raven 24:27
Azucena 24:52
Asuka 25:15
Lars 25:36
Bottom 3 Lee 😎 25:47
Devil Jin 29:28
Panda 29:31
Lmao gm is fuckin hilarious without even trying.
His bryan response had me dyin
New Yorkers man I tell ya
The only T-shirt I need is "Meat out
Gameplan"
Fighting GM has to make merch with “yaheard?! Aaight?!”
Don't forget
"That's OD" 😂
I would definitely buy
“That Joint”
Ya heard, sniff
He's a Lee main right? So it's gotta be something like "Maaarvelous yaheard?!" 😂
Lmbo facts I would buy
Heera Malik and Numan got Arslan thinking Steve is tough like that 💀
Yeah, thinking that Steve is better than King, and that he is in the same tier as Shaheen, Claudio, Law and Byron is very strange. Numan and Heera are overworking as fuck.
@@alondjeckto yea this list is a shot at heera 100%😂😂😂 the guy can't even launch -15 moves..😂😂😂 hes good but he has to work super hard... could only launch punish -16 or or higher lows.... Steves tools does not compensate for that huge disadvantage....
@@lestonclark2398the mans turn does not end and you cant retaliate against him without being evaded or countered. You literally have to sit holding block the whole match
@@zephune9506there are tons of gaps, most of his strings have highs you can duck. Also he has gaps you can press on but you gotta understand when they are. He’s like Hwo where you have to know how the character works in order to really fight him
@@zephune9506 u really dont want me to whip out my king list people be like "arslan is the goat what he says is law" but it dont take being micheal jordan for an average fan to know lebron james is better than jordan poole...arslan just probably bodies king more than he does steve but that doesnt make him better than king...
Every time he makes a tier list people get tight 😂😂😂
I love it.
I've seen Heera's set with Arslan on stream, the guy makes steve look insane. Ridiculous cancels and so much tech, I swear Pakistan is so insane. Their chatacter loyalists are something else.
What you said ab Lee is so facts,I feel like the character is so fun and really crazy at times but you have to actually be swaggy with him. I’m only raijin and the rare times I fight Lee they never kno how to do anything close to optimal combos, and their neutral is always random
What Fighting GM sees when someone plays very risky 🍆🚶♂️
Lmao facts 🍖 😆 🤣 😂
GMs king impression is OD 💀
lmao the armor impersonation "take ya meat out" had me dead
I love Bryan. Either you stay one step ahead or he's peeling you off his boots
Idc what anybody says steve is crazy good, i struggle against him the most in the entire game
And he mad annoying
Hes definitely hard to play a high level but like lower and mid level i think hes dumb strong cuz of his stances its pretty easy to knowledge check with him but even at a high level hes got crazy offense and strong defense he just dont got a good punish game if he could launch you without a counterhit easier then i think he'd be A+
could you put some timestamps for your thoughts on characters? i think it would help for ppl to come back to for ease of reference.
great vid gm love hearing your thoughts
Lee being bottom tier is marvellous. Dem s2 buffs finna be GOATED.
A tier list is completely subjective when the sentiment is share by a few people. Especially when the person can make valid points on why this character belongs here or there. I can also understand why some individuals are passionate about their character. They feel their main is the best of the best, deserving a high placement on the list. Others believe said character needs to be on the lower end because of their personal distaste. Not many players are honest with themselves to look at their character objectively and not commit overplay or downplay.
So tired of hwo downplay thank you for saying he’s OD
Aslan knows how to make a scene, I'll give him that 😁
It feels like they didn’t even want Lee in the game sometimes tbh😂😂
GM, you're absolutely right. People who don't hard lab the game and its characters don't really have an accurate say. Also, the tires change depending on the skill level of the individual. For example, if you're a red or orange rank player, Eddy, Panda, and Hwoarang will without doubt be top 3 in S tier at that skill level. Arslan is a word class player. This tire list comes from his experience with the game. GM, do you agree that the placements on a tier list come from the experience and understanding of the individual who makes them, which is why your tier list would be slightly different from Arslan tier list?
I made a tier list recently u should go check it out to see my opinion and yes tier list different depending on a players experience
Yeah, your tier list video was good.
great analysis OG i agree 100%, only thing id add is to move Lili to A due to her crazy movement and damage tbh
Yeah you still got mad lilli players that just mash and they could random you out which aint gonna happen at the top level obv but her neitral game is really strong, only thing holding her back is i think her pressure is kinda average
You know what, this is the best Jack-8 has ever been. I’ll take it 😂
Most sensible Tier List I’ve seen so far. Very much agree with the placements.
Wasn't Arslan asking for lili nerfs? Why did he put her on b tier?
How you feel about Lee, which I agree with as well, about having to be cold with him to body players in this game is also how I feel about shaheen.
Regardless of how strong he is nobody can just pick up shaheen & just body top players just by pocketing him
Definitely cuz he feels so awkward to play despite him being a fairly straightforward character, you gotta put in work to play him but if you do you will be handsomely rewarded
Subbed. Great content my guy.
Welcome aboard!
I wonder how long will the Jin gaslighting will last? We've never had a t8 Jin win any major tournament, he's "soo perfect and dumb" that we see a Kazuya player and DJin player do better than longtime Jin mains. Is his electric (only thing that requires execution) so hard to do, that pros with a decade+ of experience can't do it consistently if they switch to a Mishima? (which some do and used to do back in t6, tt2, t7)
It's not the characters fault Jin players are bad.
@@via_negativa6183 so tekken pros just suck at playing Jin, huh? If they can't even play him properly, who can? Lmao
@@kachucho872 there are a lot of jin players that get really far in tournaments. And as a tekken god in ranked, i can assure you that the worst players are jin players. Players that wont punish, wont move. 90% of jins in ranked (yes even god ranks) have 0 defense and rely on random zen u1, 2,1,4 bs and the typical jin flow chart rushdown. So yea, your argument is simply wrong and ez to debunk. Jin is one of the most braindead characters in the game and its very obvious
@@Stiffs8000 I never talked about casual gameplay. I'm talking about Tier lists made by actual pro players that make a living out of using the best of the best, not the pseudo intellectuals on yt that think that having a big channel and following makes them the voice of reason, and said person's fanbase just regurgitate whatever was spewed because of an obvious agenda at play.
Not a single top player has won on even reached top 4 with Jin in the entirety of T8. Top players can react to the famous d2, and hellsweep more than 50% of the times, and even if they could only react to those moves 30% of the time, it's still enough of a risk to get demolished for trying that move.
And it's not even about how hard execution wise or gameplay wise is Jin, when people like Atif mained Akuma and stapled all his hard combos.
@@kachucho872 you talk a lot of bs out of your ahh. Cbm definitely made it to some finals for sure. The moves you mentioned, wow so you people can react to a raw d2, cool. What about that fact that its only minus 14, reaches almost full screen, instantly high crushes etc... List goes on. You 100% are a jin downplayer because you play jin. You complain about non pros complaining about jin, what about arslan? Go tell arslan that he doesnt know real tekken (btw liking ur own comments for approval is kinda pathetic)
Agreed overall, it’s seems the vast majority have the same chars at S and A tiers. I do hope they give something to Lee in heat that’s literally all he’s missing but I also feel like if they do we’ll see a lot more Lees
Prolly not no matter how good lee becomes u never seen alot of him. He isnt a character that's universally used like that
I feel like him always perfect inputting in heat is still awesome, I love catching people off guard with 33(4)
GM had Lidia ranked at #11 3 weeks ago, but he agrees with arslan saying she’s #25 👀
35:11 "YOU LANDON ON THE WRONG POST" LMFAOOOOOO that shit is funny as hell.
You know what as someone past the blue ranks at Tekken King I still think most of these tier lists either look basically the same or they're just not even worth my time, and Arslan's takes aren't worth my time.
"Landon D you should change your name to Landon O cuz you got no defense"
Finally someone that understands that Paul is only as good as the user
@2:22 Regarding Jin
1) 2,1 yes its -3 which mean if the Jin player is spamming 214 you can sidewalk right to his back and he dies - this has always been the case
2) 214 = If the player is getting CH by the 4 that means 1 of 2 things: One the opponent is mashing or two you are not reading that jin is delaying the 4 to bait out the CH …if Jin delays the 4 you can back dash and launch it or you can side step and launch him Nobody brings up this counter-play - so its actually high risk medium reward for Jin to do that versus a very high level player who has labbed it
3) Heat Smash = yes it is one of the best heat smashes in the game but thats because just like LEE Jin has No heat enhancements - sure Jin has the Power stance (omen) but its useless in the neutral only somewhat viable at the wall. Jin in heat is not really a true mixup since its always a mid little reason to duck - and its actually has less tracking than many people claim
4) D2 = Yes i agree many Jin players with "high ranks" got there on the strength of this move - i believe in season 2 namco will do one of two things with this move: One they will make it -15 or -16 so everyone can launch it (but keep the CH combo) or two keep it -14 but take away the CH combo giving a free follow up
5) F4 = has LESS range than it does from T7 and Tag2 ALL of Jins Zen option stances can be OPTION SELECTABLE by a DF1 (13F mid check)
this forces the jin player to either not do the zen transition OR learn the Zen cancel
D2 gets blocked a lot at high level. I think he's good where he's at.
making d2 -15 would render the move useless i think but if we HAVE TO nerf d2 then remove the CH properties.
then i suggest giving his hellsweep a buff, make it CH launch and faster like kazuya’s (which is the main low and unreactable low)
Great tier list imo. Makes a lot of sense in my experience. I am tempted to swap Steve and King's placements but it's fine either way. Even before the buffs I thought Steve was pretty good just off of the Kenpo they gave him. That shit is OD. That said I wouldn't turn away some additional buffs. 😃
9:25 Hwoarangs, backlash homing armor move isnt a launcher anymore in Tekken 8
It's still madd cheap and plus
@fightinggm true, not to mention if you duck he goes for that jumping plus mid homing move 💀
It's still his turn when you block it and gives insane follow up damage on hit
Every aliza player spams her chainsaw its stupid
It would be the funniest thing EVER to see Arslan get beaten badly by any of the characters he calls trash.
I personally don't think any are trash but, some are definitely HARDER to win tournaments with or even beat very knowledgeable opponents with.
Good to see you sherm
Why did I read the title in your voice😂
Especially the "going crazy!?"😂😂
22:48 😂😂 hell yea
Perfect take on one of the most accurate tier list. Awesome job!
I think S, A and A- tier, three tiers are enough for tekken characters.
It would be nice to see you and Arslan run a ft10 on T8 so you can change his mind about Lee
16:40 thanks for the tips. Just pushed into Kishin with Reina, tryna get Tekken King. Imma put all my meat on them opps🗣️
Have fun
Arslan had Jun in F tier in his last tier list, so I'm curious to see what his reasoning is for moving her up several tiers. I'll have to check out his video. Personally, I have Jun VERY high. She's super strong IMO. Very difficult to deal with. Very flow charty character, and that's kind of her weakness. A lot of people play her the same way. She's also a character that you have to play against on a good connection. It's a must or else it's hard to punish some of her BS.
? He put her b tier last tier list what you talking about. And you said you put Jun very high?? Yea let me have what you're smoking
@ what am I smoking?! Now that’s funny! The irony! 🤣 Do yourself a favor and look at Arlan’s tier list on his channel before this one.
@@funkrates4778 I did he put Jun in b tier in his tier list and I'm not sure why you think deserves to be very high when comparing to the very high characters like Nina and dragunov, she as not as aggressive and oppressive as them. On top of that she does not have a i15 launcher and her lows are mid
Ungabunga offense only good
She's fundamentally a broken half baked character and the design team doesn't know how to balance her or her healing factor. I can agree she's not S tier but she has some extreme knowledge checks in her kit. Along with the fact she's braindead to play it's almost impossible to lose if your opponent is mashing or playing poorly. I could go on but digress. Her heat burst is insane and punishes the unpunishable and can be used as a low mix-up launcher at wall. She is incredible. Yoshi is absolutely fucked is the final thing I'll say.
There's a Jun character loyalist in Pakistan, forgot his name. He's on his stream occasionally, absolute monster.
I agree with Law in A+, Victor in A, and Leroy wnd Lili in B tier. Asuka and Lee should be higher.
Anyone know where his T6 tier list is....oh wait....
GM I've been saying steve is hella good!!! Like i feel like people think im crazy, just because hes hard doesn't mean he isn't hella good
Steve is od. Always gotta be careful vs him
Definitely. I get cooked by his Peekaboo stance, it's almost like Chainsaw stance without the steroids to me sometimes.
I think if they ever buff Lee they could make his sliding knockdown in heat or have the just frame knockdown, maybe some new options in mist step or some new mids
What does OD stand for lol
Over done or over dose
Great breakdown of all the characters, funny and informative. Great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I play Steve and I think Arslan rated him just a little too high but he’s still very good. I just think some of the chars below him are better. I’d say he’s like 14? But he’s definitely very underrated by the community
Yeah same opinion. I can definitely agree he's top 15, but top 12? Arguable.
Hilarious commentary and I would agree. Nina is definitely Op and Steve definitely A.
devil jin and lars should go up asuka is above jun. kazuya, paul. lili at A. heihachi at A plus with king and victor. yoshi at A damage everyone do unblock u can sidestep or hopkick and its part of his kit same with flash.
I agre with Arslan tier list With Law in A, Leroy and Lili in B. Asuka and Lee should be higher.
Obviously tier list are subjective. The thing about T8 is that tiers change dramatically when a character enters heat. In my opinion, some of the A+, A, and B tiers become S tier when they are in heat. These tier list really don't mean anything. Almost every character in this game is over tuned so I don't see a reason to complain too much. Alot of player complaints are just dumb people gossip.
I think Jin is top 6-10 but he's weaker than Alisa and Feng, but I would swap Jin with Feng and Feng with Alisa and Make Lee High B/Low A. Everything else is very good otherwise.
Funny how Joka saying Lee is hidden OP and Arslan calling him trash. Weird to have 2 complete different opinions on a character from 2 pros.
Because noone knows how to play lee properly. the difference between a good lee and a bad lee, even at GoD level is insane
Can someone explain what OD means? Sorry english IS my third language so i dont know stuff Like this
Vast majority of the decent feng wei players are pros that are using him as a secondary or third character lol
Placed lily in B tier and also he wants her nerfed Lol.
Steve seems way more of a threat then lee in t8 and they serve much the same of being an evasive ch character.
It's crazy cuz you can't pressure Steve because of the Kenpo and CHs but you also can't turtle all day because of him actually having 50/50s now.
steve is very hard to side walk???? what? he has one homing move at uf +2 and it's a high and slow as fuck
He also don’t have homing mid move
@@ЕлисейСуворов-т8р yes freaking Harada should at least give that back.. ffs
Df1, jabs, pkb/uf+2, regular uf+2, he does have good tracking on a lot of his stuff.
A character having strong tracking isn't referring to them having a plethora of tracking moves; it refers to them having a variety of viable moves that cover both stepping options so the player can deal with their opponents tendencies.
Having an even distribution of useful moves that separately cover the left and right ss = good/great character.
Having a bunch of powerful attacks that have homing = broken character
@@ЕлисейСуворов-т8рisn’t Lion Heart 1 a homing mid heat engager?
Alisa is free without Chainsaws and she is not dealing damage outside of all that.
I actually think Azucena is pretty strong. People focused on her running attack way too much and after the nerf everyone thinks she's trash. That's kinda dumb imo. I see no value in anybody's tier list these days as there can be no general consensus.
Timestamps would be great 👍
As much as you call out scrubby players(with good reason), I love the way you show respect to the pro players. This is why I subscribed on twitch. Good stuff mang, keep it up.
Thanks bro much appreciated
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The shmeat jokes go crazy🤣🤣
Steve fox is a secret s tier character,lot of counter hit and plus frame stuff
Safe*
Steve does not have plus frame other than the 17f high that's only +3, while running 2 that's easy to step or a high high string. A character with 0 tracking mids cannot be s tier. Stop complaining and start labbing. Not surprising Arslan knows and you didnt
You should setup chapters for a vid like this, would be helpful to come back to
Arslan is def more likely to be honest and give a personal opinion rather than just try to echo the common opinion, I respect that.
As a King main, Hwoarang and Steve being a higher tier than King is criminal. King can easily shut their offense down with his muscle armor. Probably the scrubbiest move I can't stop using 😑😞
U only stop using when they start throwing, otherwise if they keep running u with smth and u can punish with muscle armor then why stop?
A good player will shut your scrub armor move with grab or low counter hit launcher move lmao
@PotatoBoi25 No need to be biased, Steve is better than King, Hwoarang ehh.
Solid tier list if u ask me
Steve in A+ is absolutely criminal
A good Jin will not let you play , at least with Nina I have a chance with ground game lol
I honestly agree that Bryan is really strong. I main Bryan and i recently got to Fujin for the first time, but those counter hits really hurts and deals a lot of dmg in general. He doesnt have that much bullshit, besides the fact that Incinerator tracks a lot and honestly idk why it tracks that much, and also Requiem's tracking is busted for the dmg that he does. I really think that Bryan is strong, But, i honestly disagree the point of his punisment. In my opinion is not that great where comes to punishment. Yes, having Jet Upper as your 14f punish and also as your Whiff punish is really good, but other than that, is not great, especially if the oponent has good defense. For example, his WS 3 its 12F but unless the oponent likes to press this much, is not gonna do a lot, or you just have the 4, 3 as your 12f punish. In my opinion, if Bryan has "strong punishment" its because he relies on timing. Im not consider my self as a good player or anything like that and i might be wrong, but thats my opinion.
Btw, greetings from Colombia and sorry if my english is not that good LMAO
Thanks for the reply and thanks for watching my video
I still dont agree with the Alisa placement on most list and Arslan said this is in order. At least he didnt put her in top 5 like most people. She literally does nothing outside of chain saws, Its hard for me to see her being better than top 10 characters. I cant see her being top 10 though. But I wouldnt put her below A in this list. I also love his ling placement too because people be placing her dumb high all the time. When all you have to do is watch her kill herself being below Kuma though is funny to me but no big deal.
Big up GM
GM pointing out how clueless some of these people in the comments are was hilarious
GM my bro I luv u I swear. Whenever you post you make my day. 😂❤
hwoarang is od indeed and i main the char. i'd say punishment is average and he gets launched as much as he be launching others 😂 Heat carries tho
King is definitely low. I''d rather fight an Alisa or Feng (or even the average Bryan) over King. But that is just me.
Cheaters love using Claudio.
Raven def big trash in heat his clones jus are -3 that's it and can only use clone moves twice if they don't hit. He's literally ALL pokes and hella mind games Raven is one of the hardest workers in the entire game. You HAVE TO have movement down to at least a intermediate level and you have to have HIGH footsy game you need to know frame data and be on point with MU knowledge. His punishments are weak af. Raven's gameplan is to condition opponents and you gotta do it fast to make them scared of you. If they know matchup and know he's all fake pressure they not going to bite.
Honestly like i played some solid ravens and like ion even know the matchup and i wasnt sweating in the slightest
Aside from hwoarang and lee this tier list is perfect in my eyes. Hwoarang is C tier imo and lee is A
This has to be a troll comment
@@darkninja9499 how so
@@zephune9506 hwoarang in C tier.
Man bro yall got a plus on block power crush that is homing in a character you REALLY have to step and yall got 8f CH launchers, let's look at ourselves as players and realise that it's us and not our characters.
@@SnowflakeSSQ I dont play him anymore believe me he is dog shit, even blackheart a player who got all god of destructions said hwoarang was most difficult to get the rank. His power crush is slowest and only out of stance its actually reactable to duck unlike other safe powercrush. Flappy kicks outside of heat is highly punishable. Trust me on this. Zero initiation utility I could go on and on.
Wtf happened to Dragunov? Why is he so low?
Why is Eddy so low? Why is King so low?
When you say OD u say GM!! OD should be patented to GM bruh
It's something everyone from nyc used to say back then
@ OD, IM DONE, MAD CRAZY = fightinggm!! ❤️
Bruh but goin back to your topic im a reina main and you are right about her. She needs to go all out to win if not we die
Great video
How tf is Kuma A that's crazy😂 his 1,1 alone is minus and launch punishable. I agree with GM only good in heat.
Yea he's madd unsafe and risky but he's annoying in heat
Bryan and Steve are two characters that beat the hell out my Lee. I legit can’t adapt to those two. Feel like I die immediately to one CH.
You're right though, Lee is all dependent on the driver, the one using him. If he's good it's because the player is good, which takes skill and experience. That's why I kinda agree with Lee being lower tier because of the effort one needs to put in to be consistent. If you ain't on point Lee isn't a consistent character if you wanna optimize him.
This is what i really like about lee. U have to be very skillfull to really shine with lee in tekken 8!
i dont get people saying yoshi has everything..... he has alot of weaknesses
Law being A+ tier is criminal
Imo tier list reacts are better when you flip the tiers around then go from there
A person can react to a tier list how ever way they want. There isn't a right way to react. If there was everyone would react the same way
Steve & bryan downplayed frz good take by Arslan
Imo, Arslan is kind of losing interest in T8. His takes on the game recently are getting stranger and stranger
As a T7 Hwoarang/Julia player with various subs and now an Asuka main, I have no idea why Arslan put Asuka so low and Hwoarang so high.
Hwoarang has:
- bad movement (his sidestep is ass)
- lackluster punishment
- poor/little knockdown moves
- bad neutral game
- bad oki
- trash get off me tools (besides the -14 power crush he can cancel)
- mid get in options
I think he's a balanced character that people overrate because they don't realize they don't have to duck against him outside of heat
Dang watching this I realized i might just be a kaz downplayer😂😂
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nobody cares about my main leo 😭
I care. Fuck ur main
Tbf who tf actually knows Leo tech
@ i think leo is pretty nasty tbh legitimately the only character in the game that has every tool. leo doesn’t really have any glaring weaknesses either the reason leo isn’t S tier is because those characters are just insane but there’s no reason leo shouldn’t be A+ imo
@@j.i.nthenobody54 ExKean is a great Leo content creator that also has good videos on fundamentals
@donta6133 Shaheen, law, jim, nina, Feng, Claudio, also have "every tool" maybe even throw Lili in there
14:06 I still remember when Arslan beat Farzeen's Akuma and Atif's Leroy with "Bear". He is DEFINITELY NOT LOW TIER.
no way steve is A+ lol and better than king and xiayou
Jin is stronger than Dragunov, 1,000 percent. I would argue that he might be the strongest character in the game, but at the same time, it's a super difficult case to make that he's better than Nina or Yoshi. I think is S tier list is spot on. I'm glad he has Steve up so high. Just like you, I'm tired of the Steve down-players. I would have King in the A+ category, almost S tier, IMO. I also would have some of these characters that are really low higher, but that's just me.
Yeah i kinda agree just in that jin has better defensive options than drag
@@shaftmastr7753 Yeah. Jin definitely has better options. The complete package. There isn’t another character out there except maybe Yoshi that is as well rounded. I think Yoshi arguably might be more overtuned but I can’t think of any other character that’s so complete.
@funkrates4778 i definitely think yoshi is stronger because of flash + the fact that hes unpredictable and can change up his gameplan a lot
@ Agree 💯