I always wondered what happened to this bike / engine, back in my Cosworth days I did some of the machining on some of the components. A very interesting and fresh design angle.
The C1 actually made an appearance in the sequel to Wallstreet, Money Never Sleeps. Josh Brolin's character rides it in a scene where he's racing around some backroads with Shia Lebouf riding a Ducati Desmosedici. Unfortunately that was the closest the C1 ever got to racing a MotoGP machine.
Wow, what was it like working in Cosworth? Sounds like an interesting experience. I always loved wrenching on my own motorcycles even though I have no education in that field at all - just learning everything on my own. Started with a small box of hand tools and worked up to a full garage, multiple motorcycles, all maintenance done by myself... I wish I knew what a petrolhead I would grow up to be much sooner - I'd have picked a career as an engineer or mechanic.
@brentbartley6838 That's actually Michael riding the C1. Iirc the stunt guy riding the ducati was surprised Michael leant on him with his elbow and Czysz was all "oh sorry, my novice movie riding mistake: the director asked for argy bargy so I just rode like we were superbike racing!" His blog used to be quite entertaining.
Probably the highlight of my career, working on some cool stuff with good fellow engineers and some cool stories! But remember it is a buisness and when it takes a bad turn..you are then out of a job,I struggle now!@@180FiftyFive
I met Michael Czysz at the New York motorcycle show. Czysz had the original bike there where he used a modified GSXR engine as the test mule. It was beautiful and complete. I told him I liked the graphics and he was quite pleased. He was an intense man but took the time to carefully explain to me all its features and that all they did was basically cut the engine in half, flip one piece around, then weld it back together (his words). He was also looking for investors so I told him I would be interested in investing until he explained he was looking for one or maybe two investors to finance a whole team and bikes. Oh, I said. We laughed. I shook his hand and wished him luck. The news of his passing was sad.
Wished I'd made more of an effort to meet him in the TTXGP/TTZERO context when I had the chance. If it's any consolation his dominance of that early phase of EMoto most likely would have translated to broad success these days, maybe he could have pushed it mainstream, he had that charisma. The E1pc was clearly designed to translate to a sellable road bike. He must've already been ill when I was around but you'd never have guessed by how hard he and the team worked.
Genius is often taken short of reaching it's goal. The goal here was reached but never fully realized in real world terms. This design is EXACTLY what the US Motorcycle industry needs to show prowess and engineering excellence. RIP Michael. You are a genius out of time and for that I am truly sorry I missed it. I surely respect your work and ingenuity.
I'm from Portland and I was lucky to have met Michael Czysz at our local race track Portland international raceway before he passed away, at the time I had no idea that I was talking to a Gordon Murray, John Britten type of ledged.
Never heard of this bike and creator, the thinking behind it, is just amazing, reminds me of john britton and eric buel with their out the box thinking , thanks for covering this and bringing to light, new sub 👍
@@wierdbike Hopefully you can check your facts first and not look daft by getting it wrong or using click bait titles.. Counter rotating cranks were used in bike racing since 1987 when Honda used them in the NSR500 GP bike.
@@wierdbike No really, not because of this bike, it's a great design exercise, as was the Britten, but like the Britten, a long way from being fully developed and a serious contender. JB's bikes had a lot of potential when they first came out and were something to behold (I live in New Zealand and have seen them race many times) but unfortunately, they weren't very reliable and probably failed to finish more races than they actually finished. The V1000 needed a lot more work to really compete with the likes of Ducati, Honda and Suzuki who were the main competition in the 1000cc V twin market.
I bet if you research it the rule changes were proposed way ahead of time like they are again even now with the future moto gp rules once again lowering discplacement from 1000cc this time to 850cc instead of the 800cc that helped kill this motorcycle. They dont change suddenly ever and the manufacturers must be oboard and have time to design all new bikes around the changes...maybe 150-200cc is not insane difference but you know it will effect a whole bunch of components of the design...enough that the motors at least will be all new...not like they will simply shorten the stroke and reduce the bore diameter a little. I recall the mid 80s Harley initiated tarrifs on Japanese motorcycles 750cc and larger....Overnight the big 4 retooled and simply made their 750s into 700s which SEEMS like it would not be a big deal but it killed performance on em! I bought an 85 VF700 Interceptor...what a DOG! Was cheap as hell though! 3500 out the door brand new and half the price of the very next bike I bought the Limited Edition 86 GSXR750 $6,999 plus tax and licence etc
@@onecookieboybut when they went... My God did they go. Never saw one raced... just too young. Did see Andrew Stroud doing demo laps at Ruapuna. I raced production based 250's in F3.
I met Czysz at the Nick Ienatsch school in Vegas. Really cool nice guy, seemed like a regular joe. Wasnt till later when one of the instructors talked about his development that i learned more of who he was and what he did. His early passing was a shock and a loss to the world for all that he still had to give.
Stunning ideas. Goes back to the old inlines of the early 30s. But the 2 of the cylinders counter rotation etc etc. and the gearbox and my man in surreys swinging arm linkages. Brilliant
I've been around road racing bikes all my life. This bike is the most exotic I have ever seen. He reinvented the MOTORCYCLE. Very impressive.It would seem a big manufacturer would hire him in the R & D department department.❤
Echt beeindruckend, diese Innovationskraft und Genialität. Schade, dass es nicht so richtig geklappt hat, das mit dem Durchbruch. Wäre eine absolute Bereicherung gewesen.
I always wondered if there shouldn't be a competition where all the stuff that isn't allowed would be allowed like group b rally. There should be at least one league where there is no technical limitation. Just to enhance technology
I think that was the original idea with grand prix racing but rules ALWAYS creep in ....at first it is safety but eventually it will include the FINANCIAL safety of big players and the race promoters desiring close competion....a race where cutting edge tech runs away every lap of every race? BORING! And if a leader is lapping and entire field? ULTRA boring! Similar to ball games with high scores vs ZERO for another team...it is hard to even watch any such annihilations ...I mean it is great for 5 minutes if you are a fan of the winner but then it is just too sad and boring
I remember this guy and his bike, he was a maverick and the bike was great. I didn't know he had passed away he came so close imagine what he and Britten could of achieved if they hadn't been taken before their time rip.
@@fabiena1787 I did read the first one as BRITTEN but after I did read yours pointed out the mistake I was forced to read it AGAIN..... yes you got it.
Looks a bit like a 4 cyl version of VW VR6 ? For amazing engines i think Honda's 1979 NR500 with the "oval" pistons, V4, 32 valves 8 spark plugs was the most extreme. They also made a 250. NR500 was never successful but the construction was insane in 1979, trying to beat 2-strokes. Honda also introduced F1 active suspension using cameras to detect surface in front of wheel, allowing them to adjust suspension before car hit a bump. Active suspension is what made Williams win so much, even without the cameras. The 1986 F1 BMW Mpower M12/13 was also a fantastic engine, making so much power that the dynamometer at BMW could not measure it (max 1280 on dyno, motor had 1400). The most powerful F1 engine ever.
My sister, after i pitched it to her, pitched the show idea to Discovery Channel. I have a poster personally signed by Micheal thanking us. RIP Michael. I never met him, my sister did at the US GP when he rode it at Laguna Seca.
The problem with the Free-Market system is that it is not free! If you have the Benjimin's, then you can have the rules changed to illuminate the competition and this is exactly what happened to MOTOCZYSZ, the Ford GT 40, Tucker and too many others to mention. Corporations, hate competition!
Other than the narrow v angle, there aren't many similarities with the VR6. This engine fixes the VR6 head design by using 3 camshafts. The crankshaft design is interesting, but it's only applicable to a motorcycle.
It's such a pity they stopped producing the BUEL ! >> This is one of the Best Bikes I have ever Ridden todate ! I was involved in the Development of the Wheels in Adelaide - Australia in the 1990's !
Just came across this and so saddened to hear of Michael's passing his bike was so evocative of a grunty, sexy and very well made bike I reckon he and John Britten will be having long discussions in that bike heaven in the sky.
He originally wanted the bike to compete in MotoGP, I'm not sure if the plans to sell road legal versions came before or after MotoGP dropped the displacent from 990 to 800cc but either way, if Czysz had made road legal C1's he wouldn't have been able to race them in GP. Rules prohibited the GP bikes from using any parts from road legal bikes. The WCM team got busted using Yamaha R1 engine parts (this was before the big recession and the short lived CRT bikes in GP, some of which used modded Aprilia RSV4 engines). He had also planned to race the C1 in Superbike classes but he never got the engines to be reliable. But they were said to have exceptional handling.
I’m all for thinking outside the box, but even tho I’m not an engineer, and my power plant manager dad and Northrop Grumman engineer brother have infinite more knowledge than me on these issues, even when I was 17 and this was getting all the hype in the press, I saw that it was a failure. A Z-config in an inline engine might give better cooling. IF IT WAS AIR COOLED. Secondly, minimizing the frontal area for aero doesn’t work if you have THE RIDER sticking out well beyond the fairing. And I remember an article where they were bragging about the engine producing 190 horsepower. When the Hondas and Yamahas were making 250. It’s a quirky idea. But don’t insult the great John Britten by putting him in the same breath as a Las Vegas casino architect. I’ve met both Bostrom brothers, and have even talked to them about this. They did say that it handled quite nice. But it was slow. And Shane Turpin was never an AMA Superbike champ.
This was a prototype to test new designs. There were so many “revolutionary “ designs in it that it would be difficult to make it all work. But like the great Jon Britten, his out-of-the-box thinking would have driven the development of new design, had he not been struck down by cancer. There have not made any ‘real’ developments in suspension design for 100 years! But this was one of the coolest bikes ever produced, and I can only wonder what would have become….RIP sir. You did good.
The Tucker was killed by the big three. He was a genius also. Moto GP killed this one. F1 is trying to stop Michael Andretti from having a team in F1. The bigs are afraid of the out of the box thinkers that has gotten the human civilization where it’s at now. Would have loved to ride that one. What a street bike that would have been.
@@markmetcalf7582 That’s your right. Mine is based on feedback of the pros that rode it. Also it’s a from scratch bike w/o major funding. It showed definite advantages. With major $ and aggressive testing the bugs would have been worked out OR come to realization that it didn’t succeed. The only question for me was longevity the usable power. Sad. We’ll never know.
Got to give it to the guy, trying to make a narrow motor when the factorys were all trying to make a short motor. One which cam timing could not be easily changed, and certainly not actively. Oh, and that 90 degree power transfer! Man has to live his dreams but he saw probably right to go electric. I believe agility was finaily improved mass centralized and the reverse rotation of crankshafts (opposite the wheels) ala Yamaha M1. Stability and traction with a short forward engine and long swingarm. Power with money, moneyand a little more money. Can't beat that money.
Arguably the gnarliest sounding GP bike to ever hit the track (albeit, never compete). It had a weird tone that somehow managed to sound similar to old 2-stroke mills.
I've never heard of this before, so thank you for this great video. It's funny, no matter what sport, there is a call for innovation But as soon as an underdog appears on the scene and everything is about to turn upside down, the rules are changed under pressure from the old hands. Knowing that it is financially impossible for the underdog to react quickly to changes. In my opinion, this highly commercial sport is completely for ass.
Motogp rules were changed because the 990 cc four strokes were going over 200mph and it cost the lives of a couple of riders. They dropped the capacity to 800cc but the manufacturers overcame that with much higher revs, especially the Ducati that had the desmo valve system that could rev higher than even pneumatic valves and the 800cc bikes went just as fast.
gotta give it to michael for jumping in and having the guts to even try something like this. i'm sure that he could have had a successful motogp bike with more time and money. RIP.
The longitudinal inline engine with dual counter-rotating cranks would be a VERY cool thing in a bike! It would lean either way without fighting gyroscopic forces which tend to lift the front wheel on conventional lateral engine cranks while the longitudinal orientation would help prevent wheelies because of the gyro force it exerted. That is some cool thinking...though the manufacture would have been expensive as all hell which likely would have quelled any production chances. Sad that the rules are the way they are...but do seem to be designed to keep the 'little guys' out of the game.
While this bike is interesting how good it was/wasnt waswasn’t was never proven. It never turned a wheel in anger and no rules were created or changed because of it. Ultimately it was abandoned and Michael chose to pursue electric motorcycle racing which he was very successful at, but it wasn’t the same bike or class of field.
No but much of Czysz's chassis innovations went into the E1PC and once they got their electric motor issues sorted the bike was virtually unbeatable at the time it competed. Whenever the patents run out (if not already) or his estate sold the rights, someone could put his designs into some kind of use but the bike market isn't as profitable as it used to be and the big manufacturers don't like to think too far outside the box.
@@brentbartley6838 electric bikes could’ve been a windfall for them but sadly Michael passed and that killed the project. I still remember when the original bike was unveiled at the Portola Plaza Hotel and its initial public start up. It was so cool, like the Britten.
I'm not one to follow channel but your so interesting from the v8 drag bike from the 50$ that did burn out down quarter mile . And this interesting U got a new subscriber
MotoGP didn't change the rules to prevent Czysz from racing, that is ridiculous. This was an interesting design that could have made a unique street bike for sure. To imply it would have even got a sniff of a MotoGP lap time is laughable though, the production superbikes of the time would have even destroyed it on track. Far too complex with more failure points and inherent friction that simply cannot be overcome, a V-four 990cc GP engine has a simplicity and elegance that it would never, ever have. The power disadvantage, even if it could be made reliable enough to finish a race, would also not be countered by the improved handling due contra-rotating cranks. Yes that reduces gyroscopic effects to a point, racing and production bikes have already answered this by having cranks rotate opposite to push the front end down under acceleration, this bike would not have had such an advantage. While everyone focuses on the engine of the MotoCzysz, ironically the chassis was just as interesting and is what had the potential to advance the state of the art at the time. His later electric bike was more impressive (and successful), and I am ambivalent about E-bikes in general.
Love that motor and bike setup. Can you imagine the lap records being broken with a GP rider on it. Have my kz 900 in boxes. I’ll be starting on it in a few years. Want to do mono-shock on rear and was looking at doing hyabusa front. That front suspension set up on his bike makes sense. Not an engineer but would be interesting to try. Modern stringer ? LOL
@@plantfeeder6677 Was stationed in CA. Became friends with a motorcycle shop owner. He was an engineer that was the Z10 development. He asked me one time if my bike was apart. I said yes. He told me to bring the frame. Turns out he built their road race KZ 900s & 1000s. The frame is gusseted. In all the right places. Still haven’t made up my mind on how I want to set it up. A little high and short for corners or lower and slightly stretched. I’ll figure it out eventually.
watched a docu about this years ago .. Did they not have problems with castings ?? lots of imperfections and air holes in castings causing the engine to implode multiple times ..
They filled all the air gaps in castings with ceramic .. which failed .. get over it watched the docu you even show clips from the docu .. all you got is "spelling is bad" @@matter9
hey vlad. videos are coming along nicely. however due to the technical nature of your channel it is sometimes difficult to follow along. nothing an editor for your script chouldnt handle. i am happy to help you with this process if you need it. good luck with your endeavours
Motogp changed the engine capacity to 800cc (effective in the 2007 season) to slow down the bikes, and within a half season the track records were being broken. The engineers overcame the capacity limitation by utilizing pneumatic valves to raise the rev ceiling and using electronic aids to control the power delivery. The Motogp bikes are constantly becoming too fast for runoff areas at certain tracks, so expensive changes are made to increase the gravel traps. Bike speed outgrowing circuit runoff areas has been an ongoing problem for a long time. This unique bike would probably not even qualify for a Motogp race. To enter the qualifying session, a rider must have a practice time within 105% of the fastest practice time set during the weekend. There is just no way 190 hp could compete with 250 hp (in 2007) or 300 hp today. The slowest world superbike would probably smoke this bike. Only comment from Jeremy McWilliams (who has experience competing in Motogp on underpowered bikes) was about the agility in changing direction, but nothing about the power. The fact is that any moving part requires power to spin it, and that engine has a lot of extra parts. Michael Czysz was a visionary, but not an engineer.
This was very interesting and well made. But you really dont need the background music. It obscures your voice which is what we need to hear the most. If you must use music please use an EQ to notch out some room for your voice. And think about the stereo field. Those percussion noises sound like they are coming from somewhere else in my room which is pretty distracting. Sorry if that comes across as ungrateful or demanding. Its just I was really interested in this topic and the video was difficult to listen to. Thanks.
Other manufacturers.... this bike is so revolutionary, it has 30 patents on it, we can't build anything competitive and this thing will smoke everything we have, what should we do? Do what we always do, get the rules changed....
Please read the comments this bike had nothing to do with the rule changes how could a unreliable 190hp bike that never raced smoke factory 250 Hp multi million dollar prototypes
If you are going to redesign the front suspension to reduce friction , why retain the worst possible configuration and use a telescopic mechanism? One of Norman Hossack or Tony Foale's designs using wishbones is lighter and completely adjustable And there is a reason you rarely see inline crank configurations in motorcycle racing. Who needs to have a bike's lean angle change as you accelerate out of a corner?
Those front end designs have been tried in racing at various points and any advantages they do have often don't out way the disadvantages. Weight, quickness of transitions (agility), rider feel. The anti-dive properties might work well in wet/mixed conditions and fast sweeping turns but in hard braking and slower corners front end weight transfer (controlled) helps load the front tire, shortens the wheelbase as the forks compress, quickening steering. Bimota (under the Vyrus brand I think) was supposed to have raced a Tesi based bike when Moto2 was first created. They created a bike but it never did race. Maybe it wasn't competitive, maybe they didn't have the money (probably a bit of both). Britten's design worked well at the time but who knows how well it would have continued to do over time with the massive increases in power, speed and stiffer tire construction. MotoGP tires are so stiff they need alot of load to keep heat and make them work. The Bridgestones were notorious. Michelins are less stiff and now all the front load created by the aero is causing pressure issues.
The 1987 Honda NSR had a counter rotating crankshaft, so there were GP bikes running the counter rotating cranks 13 years before 2000.. The Moto GP rule change had been known about for a while but MotoCzysz carried on with the engine they had and it had nothing to do with how good or radical the engine was. If it had been so radical the engine would have run pneumatic valves driven from a small powered compressor on the bike like the Aprilia's had been running . If you are going to do these videos please check your facts..
If its true that moto gp didnt change the rules cos of this bike and it sure looks like they really didnt, then it negates the message in the video, which is unjust, that's on the person who produced this video.
Czysz himself abandoned development on internal combustion motorcycles in his lifetime -- this bike was supplanted in development by a battery electric built around a modular, interchangeable battery system that allowed full swap outs in normal pit stop durations. Electric allows for higher power with way less moving parts... Czysz understood the simplicity of e-power. This bike, as interesting as it was, was an evolutionary dead end.
Perhaps, but one must also consider he did not have deep pockets and did all of this purdy much on his own. Imagine if you will, a man with a dream this big and someone with the fortitude of foresight to restore American Factory Designing with a totally new wholly different design. Remember the Wankel Engine ?? Developed due to its high rpm potential and relatively lightweight design. Imagine if a Trump or a Rockefeller got interested just where this could have gone.
Half of this is BS grand prix racing follows a strict set of rules and parameters for EVERYONE. He couldn't get his bike to operate within those and that's that end of! He hasn't reinvented the wheel nor did John Britten
I'd love to see his ideas in fruition now in practice. All of his ideas were practical reality applied to the real world he over came limits. Counter rotation crankshafts fantastic idea. As well as well like a W type inline engine. I found problems to over come and he did. He was innovative and ahead of his time. People like him push change and innovation and performance. Even safety. Simply put he built a better mouse trap and then they charged the goal post and imposed limits. It takes time to change development.
Contra-rotating cranckshafts were common on two-stroke racing bikes and even made it into consumer bikes with the Kawa KR250 an Suzuki RG500- because of rotary valves placement. Being different is easy, the hard part is to make it work. Exept for a small aerodynamic advantage, I see no point to this bike - unlike the Elf and Britten whose difference made sense theoritically an who were at leást proved to work better at leást in some measure.
The uniqueness of Czysz design is he had split crankshafts the rotated opposite each other, canceling eachother out and mounted perpendicularly to the wheels meant there was virtually no gyroscopic effect imparted on the bike by the engine. Only the wheels. Those that rode it said it was very neutral in it's handling characteristics with very easy turn in and ability to change direction.
Aprilia 250 GP bike too. In the 500 two-stroke era, the Honda NSR was the only succesfull bike I know with a single crankshaft. Everyone else used two contra-rotating. Yamaha RZ500 street bike...
Timing chains (or belts) are utilized in most production engines because they are quiet. Straight-cut gear to gear drives are very noisy. In a race engine, noise is the last thing on anyone's mind.
@@jburnham9109 Timing gears are also way way stronger like it’s nearly impossible for you destroy them if you put them on a valvetrain system and they’re thousandth of a mm accurate in precision. It’s like straight cut gear vs CVT chain where you cam timing aren’t distorted by tensile stress at high HP. Yes they’re slightly noiser but as far as contact surface is a concern they’re not much louder than the chain counterparts because the gear contact patch a super tiny.
@soraaoixxthebluesky absolutely. I would argue that noise is still significant compared to chain drives though. That's why the reverse gear in manual transmissions are so noisy. They are straight cut spur gears as opposed to the helical cut gears in the forward gears. Same applies to racing transmissions, which use the stronger straight cut spur gears. Where strength and performance are the main priority and noise isn't a concern. There are even gear drive conversions for timing chain setups that's main purpose is to create noise because it sounds like the whine of a supercharger, lol.
I think the mental and physical stress that John and Michale put themselves through to realize their dreams the long nights working all hours the worry of funding and a myriad of other factors in no small part was a factor in their illness. The world is a poorer place for their passing but if there's a heaven I am sure they are raising some hell RIP
Fantastic piece of engineering, and I think looked cool as well, but this bike being the reason MotoGP changed to 800cc?... nope. The change was for a couple of reasons.. both reasons given by MotoGP were in fact badly thought out, but they definately weren't to try and prevent this bike entering MotoGP. One of the reasons given was safety because the 990's were hitting crazy speeds on the straights. the actual outcome was vey similar lap times so they were actually going faster in the corners.. so not safer. The other reason was to lower costs, but this meant entire new engines needed to be developed which had the opposite effect. The idea that MotoGP wanted to keep this bike out of MotoGP is simply wrong since MotoGP has been attaempting to get more manufacturers on the grid, which is why they had the ill-concieved CRT bikes, and is also why they gave concessions to the smaller manufacturers to level the gap from the big japanese manufacturers, its also why they are now giving concessions to Honda and Yamaha to try and help and discourage them from leaving.
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I always wondered what happened to this bike / engine, back in my Cosworth days I did some of the machining on some of the components. A very interesting and fresh design angle.
The C1 actually made an appearance in the sequel to Wallstreet, Money Never Sleeps. Josh Brolin's character rides it in a scene where he's racing around some backroads with Shia Lebouf riding a Ducati Desmosedici. Unfortunately that was the closest the C1 ever got to racing a MotoGP machine.
Wow, what was it like working in Cosworth? Sounds like an interesting experience. I always loved wrenching on my own motorcycles even though I have no education in that field at all - just learning everything on my own. Started with a small box of hand tools and worked up to a full garage, multiple motorcycles, all maintenance done by myself...
I wish I knew what a petrolhead I would grow up to be much sooner - I'd have picked a career as an engineer or mechanic.
@brentbartley6838 That's actually Michael riding the C1. Iirc the stunt guy riding the ducati was surprised Michael leant on him with his elbow and Czysz was all "oh sorry, my novice movie riding mistake: the director asked for argy bargy so I just rode like we were superbike racing!" His blog used to be quite entertaining.
Probably the highlight of my career, working on some cool stuff with good fellow engineers and some cool stories! But remember it is a buisness and when it takes a bad turn..you are then out of a job,I struggle now!@@180FiftyFive
Collapsed project.
Both Britton and Czysz taken way before their time by cancer...such a tragedy in both cases!
Absolutely true…
F cancer!
Isn't this how anyone that's a threat to an industry or an idea is taken out anymore?
It's not a coincidence
@@lancelanphier9509it's time to take off the foil hat. it most definitely is a coincidence.
@@vyrnmn and I bet you think the voting machines are legitimate too. .lol
I met Michael Czysz at the New York motorcycle show. Czysz had the original bike there where he used a modified GSXR engine as the test mule. It was beautiful and complete. I told him I liked the graphics and he was quite pleased. He was an intense man but took the time to carefully explain to me all its features and that all they did was basically cut the engine in half, flip one piece around, then weld it back together (his words). He was also looking for investors so I told him I would be interested in investing until he explained he was looking for one or maybe two investors to finance a whole team and bikes. Oh, I said. We laughed. I shook his hand and wished him luck. The news of his passing was sad.
Met him at that same show as well. Definite shame that his legacy wasn't able to continue on into the future.
Nice story, thanks for sharing!
Wished I'd made more of an effort to meet him in the TTXGP/TTZERO context when I had the chance. If it's any consolation his dominance of that early phase of EMoto most likely would have translated to broad success these days, maybe he could have pushed it mainstream, he had that charisma. The E1pc was clearly designed to translate to a sellable road bike. He must've already been ill when I was around but you'd never have guessed by how hard he and the team worked.
I am surprised a company petronas didnt jump on the financial end of that for him. Could have been big
@holmes1956O they were sponsoring Kenny Roberts' KR3 team, ie direct competitors
Genius is often taken short of reaching it's goal. The goal here was reached but never fully realized in real world terms. This design is EXACTLY what the US Motorcycle industry needs to show prowess and engineering excellence. RIP Michael. You are a genius out of time and for that I am truly sorry I missed it. I surely respect your work and ingenuity.
I'm more interested in the front suspension than the engine, that's an idea that deserves development.
I think you can get some info on it by looking for Patent papers..... it was shown in the video.
I'm from Portland and I was lucky to have met Michael Czysz at our local race track Portland international raceway before he passed away, at the time I had no idea that I was talking to a Gordon Murray, John Britten type of ledged.
Never heard of this bike and creator, the thinking behind it, is just amazing, reminds me of john britton and eric buel with their out the box thinking , thanks for covering this and bringing to light, new sub 👍
Thank you so much☺️
I have a lot of stories like this one👐🏻
@@wierdbike Hopefully you can check your facts first and not look daft by getting it wrong or using click bait titles.. Counter rotating cranks were used in bike racing since 1987 when Honda used them in the NSR500 GP bike.
Anyone said here that C1 was first in this???
@@wierdbike you said counter rotating cranks didn't happen before 2000...
@@YAMR1M Someone has a sand in their va*ina...
Ive watched the Britten story & was amazed , but this motorcycle is just another level.
So sad, very proud of Jeremy Mc Williams for his involvement, what a pity we lost these great minds, from a cancer survivor!
MotoGP did not change the rules because of this bike.
Maybe not
@@wierdbike No really, not because of this bike, it's a great design exercise, as was the Britten, but like the Britten, a long way from being fully developed and a serious contender. JB's bikes had a lot of potential when they first came out and were something to behold (I live in New Zealand and have seen them race many times) but unfortunately, they weren't very reliable and probably failed to finish more races than they actually finished. The V1000 needed a lot more work to really compete with the likes of Ducati, Honda and Suzuki who were the main competition in the 1000cc V twin market.
I bet if you research it the rule changes were proposed way ahead of time like they are again even now with the future moto gp rules once again lowering discplacement from 1000cc this time to 850cc instead of the 800cc that helped kill this motorcycle. They dont change suddenly ever and the manufacturers must be oboard and have time to design all new bikes around the changes...maybe 150-200cc is not insane difference but you know it will effect a whole bunch of components of the design...enough that the motors at least will be all new...not like they will simply shorten the stroke and reduce the bore diameter a little. I recall the mid 80s Harley initiated tarrifs on Japanese motorcycles 750cc and larger....Overnight the big 4 retooled and simply made their 750s into 700s which SEEMS like it would not be a big deal but it killed performance on em! I bought an 85 VF700 Interceptor...what a DOG! Was cheap as hell though! 3500 out the door brand new and half the price of the very next bike I bought the Limited Edition 86 GSXR750 $6,999 plus tax and licence etc
@@onecookieboybut when they went... My God did they go.
Never saw one raced... just too young. Did see Andrew Stroud doing demo laps at Ruapuna.
I raced production based 250's in F3.
@@wierdbike Then why Lie?
I met Czysz at the Nick Ienatsch school in Vegas. Really cool nice guy, seemed like a regular joe. Wasnt till later when one of the instructors talked about his development that i learned more of who he was and what he did. His early passing was a shock and a loss to the world for all that he still had to give.
Stunning ideas. Goes back to the old inlines of the early 30s. But the 2 of the cylinders counter rotation etc etc. and the gearbox and my man in surreys swinging arm linkages. Brilliant
I've been around road racing bikes all my life. This bike is the most exotic I have ever seen. He reinvented the MOTORCYCLE. Very impressive.It would seem a big manufacturer would hire him in the R & D department department.❤
Echt beeindruckend, diese Innovationskraft und Genialität. Schade, dass es nicht so richtig geklappt hat, das mit dem Durchbruch.
Wäre eine absolute Bereicherung gewesen.
Worth the wait. Thanks for this excellent video! 😎
Wait for more, thanks🥰🤝
I always wondered if there shouldn't be a competition where all the stuff that isn't allowed would be allowed like group b rally. There should be at least one league where there is no technical limitation. Just to enhance technology
I think that was the original idea with grand prix racing but rules ALWAYS creep in ....at first it is safety but eventually it will include the FINANCIAL safety of big players and the race promoters desiring close competion....a race where cutting edge tech runs away every lap of every race? BORING! And if a leader is lapping and entire field? ULTRA boring! Similar to ball games with high scores vs ZERO for another team...it is hard to even watch any such annihilations ...I mean it is great for 5 minutes if you are a fan of the winner but then it is just too sad and boring
I remember this guy and his bike, he was a maverick and the bike was great. I didn't know he had passed away he came so close imagine what he and Britten could of achieved if they hadn't been taken before their time rip.
Britten.
@@fabiena1787 I did read the first one as BRITTEN but after I did read yours pointed out the mistake I was forced to read it AGAIN..... yes you got it.
Thank you Vlad, Nice work.
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Looks a bit like a 4 cyl version of VW VR6 ? For amazing engines i think Honda's 1979 NR500 with the "oval" pistons, V4, 32 valves 8 spark plugs was the most extreme. They also made a 250.
NR500 was never successful but the construction was insane in 1979, trying to beat 2-strokes.
Honda also introduced F1 active suspension using cameras to detect surface in front of wheel, allowing them to adjust suspension before car hit a bump.
Active suspension is what made Williams win so much, even without the cameras. The 1986 F1 BMW Mpower M12/13 was also a fantastic engine, making so much power that the dynamometer at BMW could not measure it (max 1280 on dyno, motor had 1400). The most powerful F1 engine ever.
I met Mr Czysz at the International Motorcycle show in NYC. Amazing fellow. I wish I could have invested in that dream.
Invested 20 bucks? 😂
@dr.jillalicecooper2587 sure..... it's not really interesting what you find funny.
That Lancia Fulvia V4 engine was a thing of beauty, a pleasure to work on and drive.
My sister, after i pitched it to her, pitched the show idea to Discovery Channel. I have a poster personally signed by Micheal thanking us. RIP Michael. I never met him, my sister did at the US GP when he rode it at Laguna Seca.
I was at that race and that bike was unbelievably fast and so pretty. It wheelied out of every turn they have and sounded so awesome.
@RedBud315 You do understand that wheelying out of every turn was because the suspension was so bad and the balance of the bike so wrong.
@@meteorpower Maybe but, he lapped everyone except for 2nd place. That bike pulled really hard and sounded mean for the day.
We definitely need more people like him.
What a glittering story of patience and brilliance; all that can be hoped is that the concepts will innure
Thank god there was dance music in throughout the video!
And we you were already impressed with Britten, here comes another genius.
Awesome video! Great job! Really enjoyed it and your format is solid. Keep up the great work, bud
Thanks a lot))
The problem with the Free-Market system is that it is not free!
If you have the Benjimin's, then you can have the rules changed to illuminate the competition and this is exactly what happened to MOTOCZYSZ, the Ford GT 40, Tucker and too many others to mention.
Corporations, hate competition!
Competition is a sin.
D.J.Rockefeller
Thank you mate really enjoyed watching.
Thank you too🤝
There is a motorcycle dealership in Portland that uses a motoczysz engine block as a door stop. It worked great.
yeah-yeah, very funny…
@@wierdbike No joke. 100% truth.
No way… any proofs???😂
@@wierdbike Its at Motocorse Portland Or.. Thats all that I will say.
The gas motor for this bike didn't make much power and liked to get rid of all its oil on local race tracks.... a lot....
This bike is true art.
I love how it sounds. Incredibly unique for an even-firing 4-cylinder, 4-stroke engine.
This guy is awesome the fact that he made an engine based on the design of the Volkswagen VR6 engine is mind blowing, 3 camshafts as well !!!
Other than the narrow v angle, there aren't many similarities with the VR6. This engine fixes the VR6 head design by using 3 camshafts. The crankshaft design is interesting, but it's only applicable to a motorcycle.
Reminds me of the movie 'Silver Dream Racer' , amazing work.
It's such a pity they stopped producing the BUEL ! >> This is one of the Best Bikes I have ever Ridden todate ! I was involved in the Development of the Wheels in Adelaide - Australia in the 1990's !
I still consider the Britten one of the most beautiful, brutal motorcycles I have ever seen.
Damn you, Cancer!! 🤨
Second that.... twice.
One of his bikes is in Te Papa museum, Wellington NZ.
Sad to think Michael is gone. RIP💐
Over 30 patents for his project now that’s a big achievement 😁👌👌
Just came across this and so saddened to hear of Michael's passing his bike was so evocative of a grunty, sexy and very well made bike I reckon he and John Britten will be having long discussions in that bike heaven in the sky.
I remember the original bike from magazines. Was very excited.
I remember reading about this in motorcycle news UK years ago. The name stuck with me, Czyzs. It's so sad to find out the ending.
Czysz not Czyzs
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 I was only going by how everyone else was writing it as I didn't any different thanks
Still have the magazines with this bike in it!!! 👍
I thought the unit sales requirement was a WSBK thing, where MotoGP was for prototypes.
Yeah right!
He originally wanted the bike to compete in MotoGP, I'm not sure if the plans to sell road legal versions came before or after MotoGP dropped the displacent from 990 to 800cc but either way, if Czysz had made road legal C1's he wouldn't have been able to race them in GP. Rules prohibited the GP bikes from using any parts from road legal bikes. The WCM team got busted using Yamaha R1 engine parts (this was before the big recession and the short lived CRT bikes in GP, some of which used modded Aprilia RSV4 engines).
He had also planned to race the C1 in Superbike classes but he never got the engines to be reliable. But they were said to have exceptional handling.
I’m all for thinking outside the box, but even tho I’m not an engineer, and my power plant manager dad and Northrop Grumman engineer brother have infinite more knowledge than me on these issues, even when I was 17 and this was getting all the hype in the press, I saw that it was a failure. A Z-config in an inline engine might give better cooling. IF IT WAS AIR COOLED. Secondly, minimizing the frontal area for aero doesn’t work if you have THE RIDER sticking out well beyond the fairing. And I remember an article where they were bragging about the engine producing 190 horsepower. When the Hondas and Yamahas were making 250. It’s a quirky idea. But don’t insult the great John Britten by putting him in the same breath as a Las Vegas casino architect. I’ve met both Bostrom brothers, and have even talked to them about this. They did say that it handled quite nice. But it was slow. And Shane Turpin was never an AMA Superbike champ.
This was a prototype to test new designs. There were so many “revolutionary “ designs in it that it would be difficult to make it all work. But like the great Jon Britten, his out-of-the-box thinking would have driven the development of new design, had he not been struck down by cancer. There have not made any ‘real’ developments in suspension design for 100 years! But this was one of the coolest bikes ever produced, and I can only wonder what would have become….RIP sir. You did good.
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What a great representation of a motorcycle that should have been. Killer story
The Tucker was killed by the big three. He was a genius also. Moto GP killed this one. F1 is trying to stop Michael Andretti from having a team in F1. The bigs are afraid of the out of the box thinkers that has gotten the human civilization where it’s at now.
Would have loved to ride that one. What a street bike that would have been.
As for F1 follow the money, the prize money
The Motogp rules were not changed for this bike it never raced and would not have been competitive
@@markmetcalf7582
That’s your right. Mine is based on feedback of the pros that rode it. Also it’s a from scratch bike w/o major funding. It showed definite advantages.
With major $ and aggressive testing the bugs would have been worked out OR come to realization that it didn’t succeed.
The only question for me was longevity the usable power.
Sad. We’ll never know.
Build it for the masses Michael!! We'll support you and purchase them!! F GP...
Then you can get in there and kick some ass!
Thank you for answering my question cheers
Got to give it to the guy, trying to make a narrow motor when the factorys were all trying to make a short motor. One which cam timing could not be easily changed, and certainly not actively. Oh, and that 90 degree power transfer! Man has to live his dreams but he saw probably right to go electric. I believe agility was finaily improved mass centralized and the reverse rotation of crankshafts (opposite the wheels) ala Yamaha M1. Stability and traction with a short forward engine and long swingarm. Power with money, moneyand a little more money. Can't beat that money.
very good video. can you do the Y2K Jet Bike next?
Amazing. Incredible engineering.
Arguably the gnarliest sounding GP bike to ever hit the track (albeit, never compete). It had a weird tone that somehow managed to sound similar to old 2-stroke mills.
I've never heard of this before, so thank you for this great video.
It's funny, no matter what sport, there is a call for innovation But as soon as an underdog appears on the scene and everything is about to turn upside down, the rules are changed under pressure from the old hands.
Knowing that it is financially impossible for the underdog to react quickly to changes.
In my opinion, this highly commercial sport is completely for ass.
Motogp rules were changed because the 990 cc four strokes were going over 200mph and it cost the lives of a couple of riders. They dropped the capacity to 800cc but the manufacturers overcame that with much higher revs, especially the Ducati that had the desmo valve system that could rev higher than even pneumatic valves and the 800cc bikes went just as fast.
Time for an Erik Buell video
gotta give it to michael for jumping in and having the guts to even try something like this. i'm sure that he could have had a successful motogp bike with more time and money. RIP.
I saw the bike at PIR. I want to meet the man but he was busy testing. Figured there would be time! Cancer robbed the world of this genius!
The longitudinal inline engine with dual counter-rotating cranks would be a VERY cool thing in a bike! It would lean either way without fighting gyroscopic forces which tend to lift the front wheel on conventional lateral engine cranks while the longitudinal orientation would help prevent wheelies because of the gyro force it exerted. That is some cool thinking...though the manufacture would have been expensive as all hell which likely would have quelled any production chances. Sad that the rules are the way they are...but do seem to be designed to keep the 'little guys' out of the game.
Absolutely brilliant……..👏👏👏👏👍
I watched its first published lightoff in Portland OR
Ere..... how do the rear shocks work if their base is fixed in the swinging arm 🤔
While this bike is interesting how good it was/wasnt waswasn’t was never proven. It never turned a wheel in anger and no rules were created or changed because of it. Ultimately it was abandoned and Michael chose to pursue electric motorcycle racing which he was very successful at, but it wasn’t the same bike or class of field.
No but much of Czysz's chassis innovations went into the E1PC and once they got their electric motor issues sorted the bike was virtually unbeatable at the time it competed. Whenever the patents run out (if not already) or his estate sold the rights, someone could put his designs into some kind of use but the bike market isn't as profitable as it used to be and the big manufacturers don't like to think too far outside the box.
@@brentbartley6838 electric bikes could’ve been a windfall for them but sadly Michael passed and that killed the project. I still remember when the original bike was unveiled at the Portola Plaza Hotel and its initial public start up. It was so cool, like the Britten.
Jump to 3:54 if you're in a rush and you want to skip the fluff :)
When you know the opposition are about to score you just simply move the goalposts.
I'm not one to follow channel but your so interesting from the v8 drag bike from the 50$ that did burn out down quarter mile . And this interesting U got a new subscriber
Its so sad that the rules changed! If they didn't change maybe we could see a production model and evolution of the motorcycle!
MotoGP didn't change the rules to prevent Czysz from racing, that is ridiculous.
This was an interesting design that could have made a unique street bike for sure. To imply it would have even got a sniff of a MotoGP lap time is laughable though, the production superbikes of the time would have even destroyed it on track. Far too complex with more failure points and inherent friction that simply cannot be overcome, a V-four 990cc GP engine has a simplicity and elegance that it would never, ever have.
The power disadvantage, even if it could be made reliable enough to finish a race, would also not be countered by the improved handling due contra-rotating cranks. Yes that reduces gyroscopic effects to a point, racing and production bikes have already answered this by having cranks rotate opposite to push the front end down under acceleration, this bike would not have had such an advantage.
While everyone focuses on the engine of the MotoCzysz, ironically the chassis was just as interesting and is what had the potential to advance the state of the art at the time. His later electric bike was more impressive (and successful), and I am ambivalent about E-bikes in general.
Love that motor and bike setup. Can you imagine the lap records being broken with a GP rider on it.
Have my kz 900 in boxes. I’ll be starting on it in a few years. Want to do mono-shock on rear and was looking at doing hyabusa front. That front suspension set up on his bike makes sense. Not an engineer but would be interesting to try.
Modern stringer ? LOL
KZ900 huh? Good luck. Had one. Spent the whole time trying to keep from being killed on it. An absolute nightmare in corners.
@@plantfeeder6677
Was stationed in CA. Became friends with a motorcycle shop owner. He was an engineer that was the Z10 development.
He asked me one time if my bike was apart. I said yes. He told me to bring the frame. Turns out he built their road race KZ 900s & 1000s. The frame is gusseted. In all the right places.
Still haven’t made up my mind on how I want to set it up. A little high and short for corners or lower and slightly stretched.
I’ll figure it out eventually.
watched a docu about this years ago .. Did they not have problems with castings ?? lots of imperfections and air holes in castings causing the engine to implode multiple times ..
No way any engine would implode. Do a spellcheck.
They filled all the air gaps in castings with ceramic .. which failed .. get over it watched the docu you even show clips from the docu .. all you got is "spelling is bad" @@matter9
hey vlad. videos are coming along nicely. however due to the technical nature of your channel it is sometimes difficult to follow along. nothing an editor for your script chouldnt handle. i am happy to help you with this process if you need it. good luck with your endeavours
Motogp changed the engine capacity to 800cc (effective in the 2007 season) to slow down the bikes, and within a half season the track records were being broken. The engineers overcame the capacity limitation by utilizing pneumatic valves to raise the rev ceiling and using electronic aids to control the power delivery. The Motogp bikes are constantly becoming too fast for runoff areas at certain tracks, so expensive changes are made to increase the gravel traps. Bike speed outgrowing circuit runoff areas has been an ongoing problem for a long time. This unique bike would probably not even qualify for a Motogp race. To enter the qualifying session, a rider must have a practice time within 105% of the fastest practice time set during the weekend. There is just no way 190 hp could compete with 250 hp (in 2007) or 300 hp today. The slowest world superbike would probably smoke this bike. Only comment from Jeremy McWilliams (who has experience competing in Motogp on underpowered bikes) was about the agility in changing direction, but nothing about the power. The fact is that any moving part requires power to spin it, and that engine has a lot of extra parts. Michael Czysz was a visionary, but not an engineer.
This was very interesting and well made. But you really dont need the background music. It obscures your voice which is what we need to hear the most. If you must use music please use an EQ to notch out some room for your voice. And think about the stereo field. Those percussion noises sound like they are coming from somewhere else in my room which is pretty distracting. Sorry if that comes across as ungrateful or demanding. Its just I was really interested in this topic and the video was difficult to listen to. Thanks.
Other manufacturers.... this bike is so revolutionary, it has 30 patents on it, we can't build anything competitive and this thing will smoke everything we have, what should we do?
Do what we always do, get the rules changed....
Please read the comments this bike had nothing to do with the rule changes how could a unreliable 190hp bike that never raced smoke factory 250 Hp multi million dollar prototypes
If you are going to redesign the front suspension to reduce friction , why retain the worst possible configuration and use a telescopic mechanism?
One of Norman Hossack or Tony Foale's designs using wishbones is lighter and completely adjustable
And there is a reason you rarely see inline crank configurations in motorcycle racing.
Who needs to have a bike's lean angle change as you accelerate out of a corner?
I think the counter rotating cranks solved that.
Those front end designs have been tried in racing at various points and any advantages they do have often don't out way the disadvantages. Weight, quickness of transitions (agility), rider feel. The anti-dive properties might work well in wet/mixed conditions and fast sweeping turns but in hard braking and slower corners front end weight transfer (controlled) helps load the front tire, shortens the wheelbase as the forks compress, quickening steering.
Bimota (under the Vyrus brand I think) was supposed to have raced a Tesi based bike when Moto2 was first created. They created a bike but it never did race. Maybe it wasn't competitive, maybe they didn't have the money (probably a bit of both).
Britten's design worked well at the time but who knows how well it would have continued to do over time with the massive increases in power, speed and stiffer tire construction. MotoGP tires are so stiff they need alot of load to keep heat and make them work. The Bridgestones were notorious. Michelins are less stiff and now all the front load created by the aero is causing pressure issues.
Because Mike was never able to perfect his designs, everytime I saw him run the bikes they blew up.
Saad…
Just like real life. Just when you figure it out, they change the rules.
That ending. RIP Michael. 🙏 What might have been with a new player in the field.
comeon China.... you can do it.... just watch this video by mistake or chance.... 😂😂
I'll buy one, if you make one today....
they need the prototypes to make cheap copies of
The 1987 Honda NSR had a counter rotating crankshaft, so there were GP bikes running the counter rotating cranks 13 years before 2000.. The Moto GP rule change had been known about for a while but MotoCzysz carried on with the engine they had and it had nothing to do with how good or radical the engine was. If it had been so radical the engine would have run pneumatic valves driven from a small powered compressor on the bike like the Aprilia's had been running .
If you are going to do these videos please check your facts..
Woah, so stuffy in this room…
@@wierdbike check your facts and then you wouldn't get corrected by someone who wanted to watch the video to learn something...
Did i say that C1 was first gp bike with counter rotating crank, or what “facts”???
If its true that moto gp didnt change the rules cos of this bike and it sure looks like they really didnt, then it negates the message in the video, which is unjust, that's on the person who produced this video.
thabks for sudying this rare bike.bRIP cyscz
Thanks for watching🤝
I see that even early in his life the guy was a motorcycle child progeny, even skipped the tricycle and pedals stage, and went straight to minibike.
You mean “prodigy”. Progeny would mean he was the offspring of motorcycles.
manufacturers are always at way on and off the race track, you win them on the track they go after the rules to get you off the track. 😮
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Czysz himself abandoned development on internal combustion motorcycles in his lifetime -- this bike was supplanted in development by a battery electric built around a modular, interchangeable battery system that allowed full swap outs in normal pit stop durations. Electric allows for higher power with way less moving parts... Czysz understood the simplicity of e-power. This bike, as interesting as it was, was an evolutionary dead end.
Perhaps, but one must also consider he did not have deep pockets and did all of this purdy much on his own. Imagine if you will, a man with a dream this big and someone with the fortitude of foresight to restore American Factory Designing with a totally new wholly different design. Remember the Wankel Engine ?? Developed due to its high rpm potential and relatively lightweight design. Imagine if a Trump or a Rockefeller got interested just where this could have gone.
@@anonimous2451Britten used to quench the castings he was making in his back yard in in his neighbours swimming pool
@@anonimous2451this project was likely more successful because a trump character *didnt* get involved.
Half of this is BS grand prix racing follows a strict set of rules and parameters for EVERYONE. He couldn't get his bike to operate within those and that's that end of! He hasn't reinvented the wheel nor did John Britten
Is it really cancelling gyro?
who knows…
I'd love to see his ideas in fruition now in practice. All of his ideas were practical reality applied to the real world he over came limits. Counter rotation crankshafts fantastic idea. As well as well like a W type inline engine. I found problems to over come and he did. He was innovative and ahead of his time. People like him push change and innovation and performance. Even safety. Simply put he built a better mouse trap and then they charged the goal post and imposed limits. It takes time to change development.
Thanks
What the hell is a "Parrallel Twines" ???
Is it two bits of string next to each other?
This is how the big guys keep the new a better guys from raising to the top
Really interesting
Thank’s
cool project
Contra-rotating cranckshafts were common on two-stroke racing bikes and even made it into consumer bikes with the Kawa KR250 an Suzuki RG500- because of rotary valves placement.
Being different is easy, the hard part is to make it work.
Exept for a small aerodynamic advantage, I see no point to this bike - unlike the Elf and Britten whose difference made sense theoritically an who were at leást proved to work better at leást in some measure.
Engine over the gearbox? 🙄 Too high I think...
The uniqueness of Czysz design is he had split crankshafts the rotated opposite each other, canceling eachother out and mounted perpendicularly to the wheels meant there was virtually no gyroscopic effect imparted on the bike by the engine. Only the wheels. Those that rode it said it was very neutral in it's handling characteristics with very easy turn in and ability to change direction.
Kawasaki did this on their 250 and 350 2-stroke racing bikes in the 70s. Rotax too.
Aprilia 250 GP bike too. In the 500 two-stroke era, the Honda NSR was the only succesfull bike I know with a single crankshaft. Everyone else used two contra-rotating. Yamaha RZ500 street bike...
You know it’s a serious race engine when they use timing gears instead of timing chain.
You mean like the VFR?
Timing chains (or belts) are utilized in most production engines because they are quiet. Straight-cut gear to gear drives are very noisy. In a race engine, noise is the last thing on anyone's mind.
@@jburnham9109 Timing gears are also way way stronger like it’s nearly impossible for you destroy them if you put them on a valvetrain system and they’re thousandth of a mm accurate in precision. It’s like straight cut gear vs CVT chain where you cam timing aren’t distorted by tensile stress at high HP.
Yes they’re slightly noiser but as far as contact surface is a concern they’re not much louder than the chain counterparts because the gear contact patch a super tiny.
@soraaoixxthebluesky absolutely. I would argue that noise is still significant compared to chain drives though. That's why the reverse gear in manual transmissions are so noisy. They are straight cut spur gears as opposed to the helical cut gears in the forward gears. Same applies to racing transmissions, which use the stronger straight cut spur gears. Where strength and performance are the main priority and noise isn't a concern.
There are even gear drive conversions for timing chain setups that's main purpose is to create noise because it sounds like the whine of a supercharger, lol.
I think the mental and physical stress that John and Michale put themselves through to realize their dreams the long nights working all hours the worry of funding and a myriad of other factors in no small part was a factor in their illness. The world is a poorer place for their passing but if there's a heaven I am sure they are raising some hell RIP
a sad end to the man. some great designs, pushing boundaries.
Fantastic piece of engineering, and I think looked cool as well, but this bike being the reason MotoGP changed to 800cc?... nope. The change was for a couple of reasons.. both reasons given by MotoGP were in fact badly thought out, but they definately weren't to try and prevent this bike entering MotoGP. One of the reasons given was safety because the 990's were hitting crazy speeds on the straights. the actual outcome was vey similar lap times so they were actually going faster in the corners.. so not safer. The other reason was to lower costs, but this meant entire new engines needed to be developed which had the opposite effect. The idea that MotoGP wanted to keep this bike out of MotoGP is simply wrong since MotoGP has been attaempting to get more manufacturers on the grid, which is why they had the ill-concieved CRT bikes, and is also why they gave concessions to the smaller manufacturers to level the gap from the big japanese manufacturers, its also why they are now giving concessions to Honda and Yamaha to try and help and discourage them from leaving.
Bro, your accent changed about 4 times in this video... are you f**king with us?? 😂
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Buell, developed by Eric Buell an American Company built his first super bike back in 1985, so how can the MOTOCZYSC be the first American Superbike?