Russia and the West: A Historical Perspective
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Panelists discuss the history of Russian foreign policy, and how themes seen through the last century of Russia’s relationship with the West might affect present and future U.S.-Russia relations.
This meeting is the 2017 Russia and Russian-American Relations Lecture.
Speakers
Anne Applebaum
Columnist, Washington Post; Author, Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine
Thomas Graham
Managing Director, Kissinger Associates, Inc.; Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Russia (2004-2007), National Security Council
Stephen Kotkin
John P. Birkelund '52 Professor in History and International Affairs, Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, Princeton University; Author, Stalin: Waiting for Hitler, 1929-1941
Presider
Stephen Sestanovich
George F. Kennan Senior Fellow for Russian and Eurasian Studies, Council on Foreign Relations
Steven Kotkin is very clear and detailed, and he really knows Russia- Anne Applebaum also pretty good. Noticed Mr. Kotkin let many questions pass, as they either were not his caliber, or they had their own angle. Thanks for the discussion, hope to see more. A Canadian :)
As a Russian, I am disappointed that no one said that today's regime in russia is just an organized criminal group, a mafia, living by mafia rules and trying to impose these by criminal means on neighboring countries, seeking to corrupt and weaken the rest of the world in order to have a free hand. Being a mafia, they should be dealt with as a mafia, i.e. by police means. There should be no talk of "different interests" with Russia, such "difference of interests" often exists between big players (like the US and Europe, for example), which can cooperate and coexist nevertheless. No, this is a clash of Civilization and Savagery. Those who see it as a clash of values have a point, except that mafias have no values, only interests.
Что за бред. Деточка ты с какой планеты?
Климакс идиотки или давно никто не трахает?!
Truth!
You are very accurate in your appraisal of today's Russian owners. It is a mafia, a criminal group that aspires to be compared equally with Stalin's rule that at heart was based on despotic rule of a singular nature with a communist manifesto at its core. Under Stalin millions could be rationally sacrificed due to global war as well as execution of the communist manifesto. Treaties could be made and broken with unworthy capitalistic nations. There was no room for intermediary ownership of the Russian resources. Prior to Putin's regime Russia was noted for its manifesto focused educational, medical and scientific knowhow. Today those same people escape to other places in the world. Putin and his supporters need to be cut off at the head. They have no philosophical beliefs only those skills acquired from the KGB used in the coercive theft of resources and the money and power they bring.
MsFerdinand93, Stephen Kotkin, in other talks, has labeled it exactly that; A criminal regime led by a crime boss.
If there were clashing views this would have been interesting. It’s a case of Twitter Dee-Tweedle Dum-Dum
Get with the plan already guys!
46:50
Anne should travel to the Eastern Europe more to brush up on her understanding of Russia. Kotkin on the other hand has a superb grasp on Russian politics and culture.
Anne shows an impressive understanding of Russia as well as of Eastern Europe. In fact russians should listen more to her, in order to "brush up their understanding of neighbouring countries in Eastern Europe".
Can you give a concrete example of something Ms. Applebaum said that you found erroneous?
@@watching99134 the assessment of Russian people's outlook on the government, life, the popular attitudes in Russia. Anne's opinions is how academics want the Russia to be and not how it actually is.
She lives in Eastern Europe for many years now.
Anne Applebaum is married to a former Polish defense and foreign minister and - if we assume for a moment that Warsaw is located in Eastern Europe and has trains and airports connecting even further East - has spend a fair amount of time in this part of the world. Your ill informed comment is as irrelevant as your claim to know what Russians think. Are her expressed opinions well considered? Does she base what she is saying in thorough scholarship? And lastly: Is a panel only interesting to you if you hear what you already know and agree with?
I restate Dr. Kotkin's diagnosis of the Russia's attitude on state sovereignty like this: it simply effectively denies state sovereignty to the extent of the reach of its power of conquering. This category encompasses all those non-power states in its immediate neighborhood such central Asia and non-NATO European states.
You are the CFR and someone has to approach you with the idea we should pay attention to United Ststes' relations with Russia. That's fucking brilliant. Your audio levels are too low, by the way.
Overall, very well done. The key
for me is that Russia has goals
and interests of its own. Conflict
is not automatic but we should
not be surprised if it happens.
As a Russian, I can tell you that Russia has no legitimate "interests of its own", this theme is irrelevant, because there is no Russia - there is only the mafia which controls and oppresses the Russian people. The mafia's main interest is to retain power forever, and they don't give a shit about the interests of Russia, whatever these might be. It's like the Saddam regime but with nukes. The US did the right thing with Saddam. But please drop that shit about "Russia's interests". Russia's interest is, first of all, to become a law-governed and democratic state, and the ruling mafia has done a lot to prevent that. But the mafia is not Russia.
To those who asked about the difference between Russian Oligarchs and western republic:
In our republic, the law is above all. Checks and balances - president, congress and supreme court control each other.
In most countries, the constitution enables the state to grant power to the individual.
But(!) in the US it’s reversed: All men are created equal means they are born with all rights and the constitution actually limits the power of the executive, judiciary and legislative forces.
Our system of rights is focused on the defense of the individual against a ruling mob. The primary function of the state is not sacrificing the individual for the sake of the collective but protecting the individual.
In short: there is no forrest. There are only individuals and if they’re healthy, the society is healthy as well.
It doesn’t mean that it always works perfectly, but at least it has the power to do so. We the people have the power. And like the human immune system, the constitution will eventually defeat and spit out all aggressive viruses.
The US is a typical oligarchy. The country is ruled by oligarchs.
Democracy is possible in small States (like Belgium) but not in a superpower.
Wrong for many reasons. But I assume, it makes no sense to explain it why...
You live in illusions. There is no democracy.
Bernie Sanders is a great example of American "democracy".
Typical Western snobbery, the world doesn't change.
Im sorry for you that you obviously not only living in a country that doesn’t encourage people to have their own opinion, but also are too narrow minded to at least have imaginations. Maybe there is no perfect republic - note, our founding fathers like Ben Franklin never talked about democracy because it will eventually lead to the rule of the mob - but without the as you call it illusion, there is not even hope for something better.
I understand that you seem to follow the thoughts of Aleksandr Dugin. If you’re happy with that, good for you. Maybe democratic republics are not the way to go for everyone. Some people seem to prefer following a dictator who is allegedly more clever. At least some Russians believed in our democracy, that’s why they were able to ‚help‘ Trump.
I believe, everybody should live by it’s own way. But don’t mess with people who want to live different, because their rights are not smaller than yours. And some of them in the past even died for their ideals.
The truth should be one hundred percent! If ninety-nine percent is not true. This is about democracy. You have to call a spade a spade.
The destruction of the WESTERN COLONIAL world ORDER IS a PRIDE of ALL RUSSIAN (more than space flight or victory WWII).
I still hope that Western civilization will survive in the new multipolar world. The world will lose a lot without Western civilization.
That Russian mull at the end had to ruin it! 56:00
It would be nice if we heard a Russian panelist talking about Russia and the West, not only the western panelists.
Only Russian panelists that can talk freely in these panels are not in Russia.
@@oldrichkrausif you just want a "Russian view" Stephen Cohen has several conferences with anti-Russia panelists where he espouses a much less antagonistic view than they do. Otherwise I didn't have too much luck with this in English. They exist, but none that seem too insightful.
they are telling a story about good and evil like one tells to little kids. no grown up should ever believe this.
plus its really sad to do an conversation about russia without an russian.
So you see a good side to Putin . We must have missed something…
Is there a non Russophobe on this panel?
clash of interests in terms of geopolitical terms? yeah, I understand that argument, but how about a step further were the the profits of national industry determines geopolitical interest. also, the stereotypical social values of america and russia don't much determine policy and geopoltical reality, my friend, ha, "r,ussia's society's core value is the state, americas is freedom, primarily from the state, so we see a fundamental clash of values but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies," I mean, what is he talking about there., haha.
Why do I sense Russian trolls lurking in the comments section below?
Because you have paranoia. May be in a mild form, but you do have it.
Because you forgot to take your pills, dude!
Because there's plenty of evidence of it!
same people same shit
Stephen Cohen would clean the floor with all 3 neocons panelist! That is why he was not invited.
Exactly my thoughts. Big fan of Cohen.
Not even close to Kotkin
If you characterize Stephen Kotkin as a neocon, there are two options, you don't understand what the term "neocon" means or you haven't watched any of Stephen Kotkin's conferences.
@@elhistoriero1227 To be fair, Kotkin goes out of his way to conceal his own personal political views. For example, he says that he isn't a registered Democrat or Republican. He tends to try and avoid partisan politicking and stick to the facts, which is great. Basically the only political position that I know he holds is that he is anti-Marxist.
The two Stephens, it gets confusing for me I mix them up all the time.
Let's start with Stalin... Really? You can already see the bias here from the get go...
I love to see these lies. Gives you an insight into there sick psycho.
Agreed they are psycopaths...
Russia should start worrying about China and India because they will start eating his lunch soon enough.
C'mon, you can't be so stupid.
This is exactly the kind of erudite discussion this world needs. The world will be a better place when the antagonisms, rivalries and suspicions that lie between East and West are vanquished through the gradual absorption of Western attitudes regarding an open mindedness, toleration of differences of opinions and a desire to live in harmony with your neighbors. When these attributes finally become the prevailing wisdom in the East an entente entre les état can be established securing genuine peace for the foreseeable future.
The Communists liberated the world from the dictatorship of the "White man" (Western civilization). And helped civilization centers (such as China and India) to restore its former power. For the sake of a harmonious MULTIPOLAR WORLD!
The destruction of the WESTERN COLONIAL world ORDER IS a PRIDE of ALL RUSSIAN (more than space flight or victory WWII).
@@Ridddigg Communism is the enslavement of mankind. Just ask the Poles, the Hungarians, the Romanians, the Czechs, Slovaks, et cetera. Why did these people destroyed their communist systems once they achieved the liberty to do so? Why did the Russians back Yeltsin after the military attempted a coup d'etat against Gorbachev? These people know the true nature of communism as practiced by Lenin which was the direct inverse of freedom; it was the subjugation of man, body and soul, to the whims of the state.
I don't care about the Europeans, they deserve it. The main thing that it weakened the Western world (iron curtain).
This helped to decolonization the world from Western colonial despotism.
@@Ridddigg Then you should applaud the Nazis. They did more by starting the Second World War to initiate decolonialization than anything the communists were able to achieve.
@@Ridddigg At risk of repeating myself, colonialism was destroyed largely as a residue of the Second World War and not as a consequence of anything the U.S.S.R. instituted. In as far as contemporary Russia is concerned, she has little interest in becoming the drum major for the Third World. She is beyond the point of reflexively supporting causes of the developing world; she will only support developing countries so long as it advances her own strategic interests and even then her capacity to project her influence in the matrix of conflicting interests is suspect. Just ask the Iraqis and Libyans for example.
western propaganda
Propaganda with Q and A, haha
Wouh! Those people talk out their asses!
ukraine is russia
Does it rain in Leningrad?
LOL sure idiot
And Kaliningrad is Germany
Except Ukraine does not agree.
They believe the lies they tell is justified by the goal.
Panel of democrats whining about trump winning. And Hilary their heroine losing 😂
How times have changed. Now the Trumpists are whining
That woman is wrong on every issue
what a bunch of clowns
When someone like you throws general insults, as opposed to pointing out errors and weakness in the positions, it is YOU that is the clown, or at the very least, lazy. If these people are clowns, then explain where they are wrong.
What is the Difference between Russian oligarch and American Oligarch ? Stalin was a dictator but he was the great leaded who defeated Hitler and Nasi . The west never entered the war Until 1944 when Soviet Army was near Brilin >
Stalin entered war in 1939 invaiding Poland in an aliance with Hitler.
Battle of Britain - july-october 1940; Desert War - 1940-1943: Operation Husky - september 1943.
You russian troll better study english grammar and world history not by fsb methoditchka)))