@@RickNazden I don't think Hulk would need to take any political side, the guy would smash everyone indiscriminately if they piss them off. And why should they be political? As long as they are saving people in danger, being selfless, brave, inspiring, relatable, and being awesome, "politic" would be the last thing I look for in a superhero.
While I do think superheroes should have political opinions, it's that they are left out from the audience. Superheroes are this metaphor of what humanity should strive for, the values of Justice, kindness, or every other value that shows the potential positivity of humanity. Putting in politics, for me, dilutes that core theme of being a hero, like for say Captain America, he's not the embodiment of the American nation he's named after but rather the values and themes of it, like freedom and justice.
@@Migski and when those themes are continually perverted by corrupt administration's and policies he speaks out against them. Have you ever read Captain America???
As cool of an idea as this is for a store, I think it takes away from the escapism of the comics. Whereas Civil War was more effective because it was fighting over ideologies that could both be right.
@@dushaunlewis7574 Haha, sent you on a little journey huh? This uploader had some misreading of the book if I recall. I left another huge comment about it. Not much talk about it online though despite how relevant it is.
I never heard of this. It sounds dumb. I like GA, but as a person he's kind of a shithead. I would guess the Flashes would be conservatives. Booster Gold is basically Trump in many ways. Regan named him. Animal Man, Metamorpho, the Atom I would consider swing voters. The big three... leave them out of it. Dropping the GL/GA conflict, what if it was Ted Kord v. Booster? That would have been more interesting. What does Black Lightning think? He's probably a conservative. Ralph Dibney probably liberal. The Question probably doesn't care much. Although he is from Hub City. That's apparently based on STL. Which is my area. So I do think he would be far conservative, just keep it to himself. It's actually not a bad concept, it just looks like it was done poorly.
i would say the source of the problem is that superheroes are not normal characters defined by a singuler writer with singuler point of view of them, but rather each writer having his own vision. the heroes are suposed to be good, so each writer projects his views into the characters. some characters like green arrow and the question stricly have their own views, while characters like superman are more flexible. is he a democrat because he tries to help those who need it and believe they deserve help, or is he a republican because he doesn't try to fundemently change the world? i personally can't think of any hero as 100% republican and that's probably because of my leaning. the way i see it we shouldn't think of it as "am i with or without superman" but rather as "i should be superman, which party represents him better". i can't think of way to end this so i just will now
This was a great take and real informative. Thank you for this review. This series could of had some great insight and context and really showed the intricies of being a hero of loving everyone and havibg personal political views. But instead stayed on the shallow end for most of it.
I think green arrow being liberal is awesome. It’s integral to his motivations to be a hero. Still, I think this directly political comic fails, as you noted. It would be so much better if they made it political like the DCAU Green Arrow who made the occasional political comment, but focused more on the values than labels. Maybe that’s just me.
@Damian Rubio Sure, and Bayformers movies made billion dollars, your point? Wow, it's like the fact it was released between Infinity War and Endgame and got hyped as fuck helped it made a billion dollars despited being one of the weakest MCU movies, what a concept.
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I don't think that progressivism is inherently the morally superior way just because it goes for the most ostenatiously moral decision on the surface, not that there's anything wrong with going that route ofc (Green Arrow and WW might be at their best that way,) nor do I think that support of the Forever Wars is a uniquely Republican trait either (perhaps it was at the time, but things have certainly changed since from where I'm standing.) Superheroes may be born from a time in American history of civic duty and all, but I don't think that by default means Imagine lyrics or that they'd immediately buy into a progressive yard sign.
Totally agree, but I do think there's a difference between just spouting progressive talking points or putting a sign on your lawn and living with true humanistic values pushing you forward.
It's clear that you're way too biased. Rather than argue against you, I'll put some bullet points, and if you see this comment, I'd like your thoughts. -It seems like you want important superheroes to have what you think are "correct" views, and I as a far-right person love green arrow and his politics is one of the reasons. -What characters do you think are right-wing, and do you enjoy reading them? -I don't think superheroes should be always represented as robots, and beast boy and wildcat's reactions I find shallow, and character-accurate. -Wonder Woman I see as easily pro-war, as she is an amazon. I would ask what you think about her actions in New Frontier, which was pro-war, yet very feminist. -It is possible that wonder woman is a single-issue type, and considers battling bad guys as more important than current feminist concerns. -At 16:23 you imply that it is unacceptable to not talk politics. You can't argue in favor of rights and say something that innocent is unacceptable. I know you'd say it is bad because people need to know the facts, and believe me I agree with that, but people having other opinions from me isn't "unacceptable." -Superman might say he shouldn't talk politics but the book isn't necessarily saying the same thing of you the reader. -You advocated for the heroes having nuanced views but assumed that ridgeway, the further-right candidate must necessarily be anti-feminist. This video was made recently in an age where most right-wing politicians are pro-choice or at least pass legislation for it. I myself am pro-choice despite being far right. -I understand the severity of political discussion in media but reading Hal and Ollie wrestling and name-calling put a smile on my face, and taking something seriously doesn't mean that there's no room for fun. I think they both have a frat-boy like mentality to some extent. That doesn't mean they can't also have serious views.
Thank you for watching and engaging with my content, I truly appreciate it. Since it is "mine," it is 100% biased to my thoughts and viewpoints. Happy 2021- I hate that this book still feels relevant 🤦
So many snow flakes are sensitive to political messages in art these days. These are basically the "ban heavy metal and d&d" crowd. If a creative media goes at all against their beliefs it becomes a big hissy fit. Personally, I give not a single crap if there is politics in comics, movies, games, etc. I'm not fragile like that. Just let the creators do what they want. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Just for God's sake, stop with the whining.
Superman started out as a socialist defending unions under threat. Over time he was turned into a Reagan guy. Similarly, Monopoly started out as an anti-monopoly game. Once it was purchased by a larger corporation, it got turned into a game that inculcates greed.
@@itsgeegra Oh yeah? What's the politic in Mona Lisa painting? Or Bob Ross's painting? Or Sonic fanart? Art can be "political", but politic isn't always needed in art, period.
@@ryantheanimator1156 I'm not saying art is *exclusively* political - and you're obfuscating the issue by talking about visual art - narrative art, particularly superheroes should be *more* concerned with politics and morality.
I mean what's fuckin interesting about a nutless centrist take on Batman? A billionaire going about kicking the shit out of poor people is political - whether it's mentioned or not.
Spent hours searching for someone talking about this comic, and was happy to find a video, but after watching, I'm actually pretty disappointed. For all the complaining about how "shallow" the understanding of the political discussion is in the comic, all of the complaints sounded to me like someone who has a severe lack of understanding of the opposing party. While yes, I understand you are opposed to heroes being represented agreeing with a party you disagree with based on your understanding of that character. I've been there. However when your objection is "Wonder Woman wouldn't be a republican because republicans are compassionless warmongers" you lost me completely. You have to have some level of awareness that republicans don't view themselves as the compassionless warmongers, and if she was joining them, then she wouldn't believe that either. In fact if you were to ask a republican they would say they were the party of compassion and peace, where as democrats are the ones spreading misery and war. Regardless of if either was true, clearly millions either believe it wholly or partially. I would be perfectly fine believing that Wonder woman was a Democrat, either because she believed in their stance on equality, or promotion of women's rights, or certain social programs. I could believe she was a republican because she respects their patriotism, their interventionalist policy, or emphasis on personal responsibility. Either way would have been fine. The issue with the comic isn't that their understanding of the characters was lacking, it's that they spread the story too thin discussing many characters in no depth rather than just having them go in on a few characters and get some nuance. Like Batman. There are so many ways you could write Batman having this discussion, saying he supports a republican's tough on crime approach, but he votes democrat because he's staunchly pro-gun control. Or say the last democrat he supported was Harvey dent, so now he doesn't vote. Plenty of ways to take it. I even personally like the fact that Green arrow and Green lantern got into a fist fight, because they had a clear "handle this like men" mentality, seeing as how they disarmed before they fought as opposed to just heat of the moment, blind rage. There's a lot you can do there, but instead it went nowhere. That was the issue, that the comic was wholly inconsequential, not that the book wasn't openly left wing. And especially with Superman, who expressly states why he makes his decision and you pointed out how your disagreeing with the character's opinion was somehow a flaw with the book.
this could’ve been a good video if you didn’t stop reading and do a dramatic pause every 5 words killing any momentum of whatever you’re saying. just read. what you’re saying is dramatic enough, we don’t need the drama class. thanks.
I only kinda disagree with the heroes were “progressive” some definitely are even today however someone progressive back then could definitely be seen in a different camp now
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Let's smash the taboo. Where do you think your favorite superheroes fall politically?
My favorite superheroes should be apolitical, and just entertain me by kicking the bad guys ass.
Being apolitical/neutral in the face of societal rot and global catastrophe don't sound very super to me
@@RickNazden I don't think Hulk would need to take any political side, the guy would smash everyone indiscriminately if they piss them off.
And why should they be political? As long as they are saving people in danger, being selfless, brave, inspiring, relatable, and being awesome, "politic" would be the last thing I look for in a superhero.
While I do think superheroes should have political opinions, it's that they are left out from the audience. Superheroes are this metaphor of what humanity should strive for, the values of Justice, kindness, or every other value that shows the potential positivity of humanity. Putting in politics, for me, dilutes that core theme of being a hero, like for say Captain America, he's not the embodiment of the American nation he's named after but rather the values and themes of it, like freedom and justice.
@@Migski and when those themes are continually perverted by corrupt administration's and policies he speaks out against them. Have you ever read Captain America???
As cool of an idea as this is for a store, I think it takes away from the escapism of the comics. Whereas Civil War was more effective because it was fighting over ideologies that could both be right.
Can Hawkman even vote? Isn't he Thanagarian? Does he even have American citizenship?
Sounds like voter fraud to me 👀
Carter Hall does
@@omarrashid9588 Shit, is this one Katar Hol or Carter Hall
Absolutely loved this wonderful video. ❤️
Was Blue Beetle a teenager at that time? Or did they confuse Jaime with Ted?
I dont think Ted would be as liberal, but I bet Jaime was either 18 at the time or just pretending so people would think he was old enough to vote.
@@RickNazden It's cool to underage character to be interrest in politics. I think Ted would vote for the best candidate.
I totally agree! I want everyone to be involved and engaged.
Great point, Ted is more pragmatic than ideological
Great vid, is that the newspaper guy from watchmen on one of the covers?
Holy crap, I never put two and two together but it probably is supposed to be a reference to him honestly.
great job man
interesting
I have been trying to remember this comic's title for 3 years.
And thanks to you I literally just found out about it today.
@@dushaunlewis7574 Haha, sent you on a little journey huh? This uploader had some misreading of the book if I recall. I left another huge comment about it. Not much talk about it online though despite how relevant it is.
I never heard of this. It sounds dumb. I like GA, but as a person he's kind of a shithead.
I would guess the Flashes would be conservatives. Booster Gold is basically Trump in many ways. Regan named him. Animal Man, Metamorpho, the Atom I would consider swing voters.
The big three... leave them out of it.
Dropping the GL/GA conflict, what if it was Ted Kord v. Booster? That would have been more interesting. What does Black Lightning think? He's probably a conservative. Ralph Dibney probably liberal.
The Question probably doesn't care much. Although he is from Hub City. That's apparently based on STL. Which is my area. So I do think he would be far conservative, just keep it to himself.
It's actually not a bad concept, it just looks like it was done poorly.
i would say the source of the problem is that superheroes are not normal characters defined by a singuler writer with singuler point of view of them, but rather each writer having his own vision. the heroes are suposed to be good, so each writer projects his views into the characters. some characters like green arrow and the question stricly have their own views, while characters like superman are more flexible. is he a democrat because he tries to help those who need it and believe they deserve help, or is he a republican because he doesn't try to fundemently change the world? i personally can't think of any hero as 100% republican and that's probably because of my leaning. the way i see it we shouldn't think of it as "am i with or without superman" but rather as "i should be superman, which party represents him better". i can't think of way to end this so i just will now
I liked this comic personally in my opinion.
This was a great take and real informative. Thank you for this review. This series could of had some great insight and context and really showed the intricies of being a hero of loving everyone and havibg personal political views. But instead stayed on the shallow end for most of it.
Thank you so much! Happy you enjoyed it!
Fidelity is the opposite of partition
I think green arrow being liberal is awesome. It’s integral to his motivations to be a hero. Still, I think this directly political comic fails, as you noted. It would be so much better if they made it political like the DCAU Green Arrow who made the occasional political comment, but focused more on the values than labels. Maybe that’s just me.
Trust me, it's not just you!
It's hurting dc comics
From the title I was expecting some “go woke go broke” bs, but this was actually a really well-informed video
From the beginning of this comment, I was expecting an insult, but it was actually pretty nice. Thanks for watching!
Bruh, it’s 2020, Get Woke Go Broke is real. If you think it’s BS that just means you have been living under a rock.
@@ryantheanimator1156lol
@Damian Rubio Sure, and Bayformers movies made billion dollars, your point? Wow, it's like the fact it was released between Infinity War and Endgame and got hyped as fuck helped it made a billion dollars despited being one of the weakest MCU movies, what a concept.
@@ryantheanimator1156 it didn't go broke though, your slogan or whatever it is fails right there
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I don't think that progressivism is inherently the morally superior way just because it goes for the most ostenatiously moral decision on the surface, not that there's anything wrong with going that route ofc (Green Arrow and WW might be at their best that way,) nor do I think that support of the Forever Wars is a uniquely Republican trait either (perhaps it was at the time, but things have certainly changed since from where I'm standing.) Superheroes may be born from a time in American history of civic duty and all, but I don't think that by default means Imagine lyrics or that they'd immediately buy into a progressive yard sign.
Totally agree, but I do think there's a difference between just spouting progressive talking points or putting a sign on your lawn and living with true humanistic values pushing you forward.
It's clear that you're way too biased. Rather than argue against you, I'll put some bullet points, and if you see this comment, I'd like your thoughts.
-It seems like you want important superheroes to have what you think are "correct" views, and I as a far-right person love green arrow and his politics is one of the reasons.
-What characters do you think are right-wing, and do you enjoy reading them?
-I don't think superheroes should be always represented as robots, and beast boy and wildcat's reactions I find shallow, and character-accurate.
-Wonder Woman I see as easily pro-war, as she is an amazon. I would ask what you think about her actions in New Frontier, which was pro-war, yet very feminist.
-It is possible that wonder woman is a single-issue type, and considers battling bad guys as more important than current feminist concerns.
-At 16:23 you imply that it is unacceptable to not talk politics. You can't argue in favor of rights and say something that innocent is unacceptable. I know you'd say it is bad because people need to know the facts, and believe me I agree with that, but people having other opinions from me isn't "unacceptable."
-Superman might say he shouldn't talk politics but the book isn't necessarily saying the same thing of you the reader.
-You advocated for the heroes having nuanced views but assumed that ridgeway, the further-right candidate must necessarily be anti-feminist. This video was made recently in an age where most right-wing politicians are pro-choice or at least pass legislation for it. I myself am pro-choice despite being far right.
-I understand the severity of political discussion in media but reading Hal and Ollie wrestling and name-calling put a smile on my face, and taking something seriously doesn't mean that there's no room for fun. I think they both have a frat-boy like mentality to some extent. That doesn't mean they can't also have serious views.
Thank you for watching and engaging with my content, I truly appreciate it. Since it is "mine," it is 100% biased to my thoughts and viewpoints. Happy 2021- I hate that this book still feels relevant 🤦
@@RickNazden You argue against intellectual flaws in the book, but have no regard for your own? I don't see the difference.
Isnt green arrow/oliver a hipacritc hes rich lebrels hate rich
So many snow flakes are sensitive to political messages in art these days. These are basically the "ban heavy metal and d&d" crowd. If a creative media goes at all against their beliefs it becomes a big hissy fit. Personally, I give not a single crap if there is politics in comics, movies, games, etc. I'm not fragile like that. Just let the creators do what they want. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Just for God's sake, stop with the whining.
Superman started out as a socialist defending unions under threat. Over time he was turned into a Reagan guy. Similarly, Monopoly started out as an anti-monopoly game. Once it was purchased by a larger corporation, it got turned into a game that inculcates greed.
Keep political correctness out of comics, please
I didn't write the book, so...
Politics is central to art.
@@itsgeegra Oh yeah? What's the politic in Mona Lisa painting? Or Bob Ross's painting? Or Sonic fanart?
Art can be "political", but politic isn't always needed in art, period.
@@ryantheanimator1156 I'm not saying art is *exclusively* political - and you're obfuscating the issue by talking about visual art - narrative art, particularly superheroes should be *more* concerned with politics and morality.
I mean what's fuckin interesting about a nutless centrist take on Batman? A billionaire going about kicking the shit out of poor people is political - whether it's mentioned or not.
Spent hours searching for someone talking about this comic, and was happy to find a video, but after watching, I'm actually pretty disappointed. For all the complaining about how "shallow" the understanding of the political discussion is in the comic, all of the complaints sounded to me like someone who has a severe lack of understanding of the opposing party. While yes, I understand you are opposed to heroes being represented agreeing with a party you disagree with based on your understanding of that character. I've been there. However when your objection is "Wonder Woman wouldn't be a republican because republicans are compassionless warmongers" you lost me completely. You have to have some level of awareness that republicans don't view themselves as the compassionless warmongers, and if she was joining them, then she wouldn't believe that either. In fact if you were to ask a republican they would say they were the party of compassion and peace, where as democrats are the ones spreading misery and war. Regardless of if either was true, clearly millions either believe it wholly or partially. I would be perfectly fine believing that Wonder woman was a Democrat, either because she believed in their stance on equality, or promotion of women's rights, or certain social programs. I could believe she was a republican because she respects their patriotism, their interventionalist policy, or emphasis on personal responsibility. Either way would have been fine.
The issue with the comic isn't that their understanding of the characters was lacking, it's that they spread the story too thin discussing many characters in no depth rather than just having them go in on a few characters and get some nuance. Like Batman. There are so many ways you could write Batman having this discussion, saying he supports a republican's tough on crime approach, but he votes democrat because he's staunchly pro-gun control. Or say the last democrat he supported was Harvey dent, so now he doesn't vote. Plenty of ways to take it. I even personally like the fact that Green arrow and Green lantern got into a fist fight, because they had a clear "handle this like men" mentality, seeing as how they disarmed before they fought as opposed to just heat of the moment, blind rage. There's a lot you can do there, but instead it went nowhere. That was the issue, that the comic was wholly inconsequential, not that the book wasn't openly left wing. And especially with Superman, who expressly states why he makes his decision and you pointed out how your disagreeing with the character's opinion was somehow a flaw with the book.
this could’ve been a good video if you didn’t stop reading and do a dramatic pause every 5 words killing any momentum of whatever you’re saying. just read. what you’re saying is dramatic enough, we don’t need the drama class. thanks.
I only kinda disagree with the heroes were “progressive” some definitely are even today however someone progressive back then could definitely be seen in a different camp now