Probably because you never use twitch. I'm not a fan of streams so I couldn't engage much with chat but I tried it out for the lulz a few times and often people would whisper me back reacting to what I wrote. I ended up chatting with some of them. This isn't anything mysterious but the very same what happened in the beginning of chatrooms where people would spam: 'write 12345 to chat with me' to find themselves private chatting partners. It's just now while a stream is happening and you are expected to write something original enough so at least one person reacts directly to you.
I think the first step is to stop minimizing problems just because they're experienced by certain people. I don't like to trot out this example (for obvious reasons) but I'm a white, heterosexual man. I was homeless for 8 years from the age of 16 and nobody (and I really do mean nobody) came to my aid during that time. I didn't qualify for aid precisely because I was a white, heterosexual male and I wasn't considered "vulnerable" enough (even at 16 years old.) Time and again doors would be shut to me because I wasn't brown enough, or feminine enough, or gay enough, and I fell through the cracks. It was only a chance meeting with an MP that got things moving again and I finally got a bed to sleep on. But that was 20 years ago and from what I've heard things have only gotten worse. I was one of the lucky ones. Lots of young men in my situation don't even survive long enough to get a chance to turn their lives around. Worse is when they do finally get a chance to turn their lives around, the damage has already been done, and they spend the rest of their lives in and out of prison because it is the only life they know. And then society has the cast iron balls to complain that these men are "acting up." Of course they're acting up, they have severe PTSD and don't know how to survive any other way. What do you expect when you treat human beings like wild animals? I do not in any way resent minorities. I have no problem with black people or gay people or women or refugees or immigrants or anyone else. What I do have a problem with is a society that said I didn't matter because of how I was born. A society that claims to be compassionate while at the same time leaving people like me to rot in the streets. White boy's problems aren't just problems "to them," they are real problems with life altering - sometimes life ending - consequences. Can we please stop patronizing people because they don't cleanly fit into our narrow definition of "victim." A human being is a human being, regardless of their skin tone, gender or sexual orientation.
This is exactly the message I've been bitching about. The left should stop pushing identity politics. Stop only helping people because of categories. We should ask ourselves: are they suffering? Can we ease that suffering? If yes to both, then let's get the job done. We should be taking care of people.
Pretty much. I never (quite) ended up homeless myself, but I did come close a few times, and in some pretty abusive living arrangements because I didn't have any better options. I can think of several times in my life where I KNOW that women who I knew that were in similar situations were getting assistance, but all I got was some variant of "suck it up princess". When that's something that happens with regularity, it can result in very different life outcomes in the end. In my case, I've gone from being someone who was receiving media attention for my performance in maths and science competitions in my late teens, to a NEET with no prospects who can't even get the sort of jobs that I was forbidden by my teachers to get work experience as a teen because they were "a waste of my talents". Undiagnosed autism was probably also a factor, but the truth is that everybody needs a bit of outside support from time to time, and however talented you are it's hard to achieve success when that door gets slammed in your face every time because you're a white cishet man who doesn't have rich parents. If an honours roll student can't get anywhere, what chance does any other young man have? Of the various people I did my physics degree with, the only ones I know are still in academia are the women. Which is not to diminish them - they're all highly intelligent and deserve to be where they are. But the guy who was the top student of the year below me who I'm still in occasional contact with certainly deserved better than he got (although he did land on his feet far better than I did). Now, I'm educated enough to know that the various populist movements that angry young men are turning to are not actually interested in solving the problem, but in exploiting it for their own gain, and that centre left political groups are still the least bad option in this respect. But I'm aware that I'm atypical in that regard, and the far left seems to be actively hostile and looking to punish young men for historical "privilege" that in reality was only ever really experienced by the upper class. As I've said before: One of the biggest problems in the modern world is that the far right has a pipeline that takes young men from the centre-right and pushes them, step by step, towards the far right. While the far left has a pipeline that takes young men from the centre-left and pushes them, step by step, towards the far right.
@@cryptomancer2927Unfortunately, the push for "diversity" inadvertently created this issue in the first place. The only way out is to stop purity spiraling, which they can't seem to do.
@@Blurredborderlines I think they didn't care about diversity. I feel like the left was taken over by corporate shills. They only used that as a platform because it sounds progressive. It's their way of riding up their base to get them to vote without ever having to solve the problem. Every election cycle we see some racist or phobic cause we suddenly need to solve by voting them in. Once in. Problem gone. Put away for 4 more years.
the problem is that what you went through, is exactly what a lot of minority kids also go through, at a much higher rate. so policies were created to help specifically them. the problem however is when those policies fail to include other people needing help just because of their skin color. they failed you, but it's not because they decided to help them instead, it's because they forgot people like you also need help just because your skin color give you some privileges.
"There are people with far worse problems" does not mean you don't have problems. I'm pretty feminist-leaning, and even I can recognize that many things men say are problems... *are problems*. Men's mental health is fucked for so many reasons. The loneliness epidemic *does* hit every demographic, but men broadly have it worse. Hell, I can even recognize that there is some over-correction on a lot of things that are reasonable.
Sure. But it's one thing to say it and another to actually live it. Feminism is a movement historically meant to help women gain rights, not trod down on or speak badly of men. But that's mainly what it's used for contemporarily. One single woman speaking against that means nothing.
Feminism is absolutely incomplete without a compassionate approach to men's issues incl. how they suffer from toxic masculinity (the actual toxic masculinity, not the insincere assumptions about the term) and any Feminist who has read a book and isn't just an online sh!tposter will confirm this.
@@spankyjeffro5320 I'm not so sure that is actually entirely true that feminism has been primarily for women because I have seen many feminists speaking about literature from the years of Women's Suffrage that go very much into men's issues and how men are affected by the very things that are causing women's suffering. It's just the movement, like many movements, has been 'hijacked' by the elite class and spun in a way that makes it so much more alienating, hostile and divisive than it's original purpose and because they have the strongest media presence or even outright control the media that is the message that gets put out to the masses about what the 'movement' is despite that the vast majority of the people in the movement are adamantly opposed to that message, it doesn't matter. They spend top dollar to make sure people hear feminism and think 'feminazism' and that's the end of it.
Like JSH, I am definitely left of center. We haven't had "a couple of years" of that. It's been a pretty consistent staple of a lot of how leftists and progressives have worked since at least 2016, when Bernie Sanders supporters (especially male Sanders supporters) were disregarded as sexists for liking Sanders (an actual progressive) over Hillary Clinton (a corporate democrat). The unwillingness to welcome young men, combined with the common hostility towards them, has backfired spectacularly politically for left leaning and progressive parties the last decade, because the right are happy to welcome them.
Yep, people like vaush and hasan have been saying this for ages. We need to give young men a positive role model and a compelling narrative. And, "dont be toxic" is NOT a compelling narrative especially for young men just learning about politics.
@@butHomeisNowhere___They might be saying this, but absolutely evil and disgusting themselves. Nothing these two say is ever worth anything. They only want power, so they ban everyone, who even slightly disagrees, while spewing shit, like "America deserved 9/11" or "My principles are winning. Losing with your principles is worth jack shit". Actual quotes
It's worth pointing out that being center left in the UK is equivalent to being progressive left in the US, as our Overton Window has shifted so far to the right over the last thirty years. If Bernie Sanders were a politician in the EU, he'd be seen as a centrist on most issues.
I’d disagree on the “doesn’t factually matter in the grand scheme” thing. Maybe it matters *less* than other issues, but it does still matter. If you start arguing “in the grand scheme” then I can just as easily say no problems matter; humanity will die out anyway. Like, what you said is good, but it also has the implicit feeling of patronization
I think it might be one of the bigger issues in the grand scheme of things. It has huge impact on the political world. It may push many men into depression, isolation, self harm, agressive behaviour, and even suicide. I think we're witnessing a snowball effect, which may reach a critical mass in 5-15 years and result in some scary scenarios. And I am not saying this just to focus on the outcomes. I trully believe men's lives are as valuable and important as any other person's.
@@furryfox12 Definitely agree. But I’m willing to concede to others that there’s other issues such abortion deserving more immediate focus. As a white guy who’s straight and fit at 31, I have to acknowledge a natural bias and knowledge/experience gap when arguing social issues. I try to avoid creating a pyramid of these things cause it feels like victimhood olympics….which is it’s own toxic issues on social media 😅
one of the wisest things ive ever heard was "two things can be true at the same time" a persons problem can be both unimportant and very important and this is a good thing to think about
This is true, but it doesn't really even apply in this case. Men are dying by the millions in wars right now. Men are committing suicide and overdosing at far higher rates than women. Men comprise 95% of our prison populations. Men are the primary victims of violent crime by a long shot. Men are receiving less education. Men are now earning less money for the same jobs. If you told the aliens that men have it good on planet earth, they'd look down at all of this male misery and wonder wtf you're talking about.
@peterbabicki8252 Yep, rolled my eyes; men feeling disenfranchised, and stats do show this, is actually a BIG issue. Having said that, given that his politics is about conceding terrain in some areas to gain more terrain in other areas, he could be doing the same technique here with his own audience. "yeah I am with you guys, their problems aren't that big, but consider their perspective," boom he wins over his audience.
You're 100% correct about the reason for the behavior. You can't publicly say you don't care about someone as a person and then be surprised when they don't give you their vote. There are lots of other reasons as well but this is a big one.
@@doomguy4945 Or at least put on a reasonable façade of caring about the concerns of people who can vote. Too many people are too far up their own ass, believing themselves to be the unquestioned default norm, and think everyone else just needs to shut up and fall in line.
A problem with NO SOLUTIONS OR ANSWERS! The sooner everyone considers that fact, the better. What so many idiots everywhere, regardless of what they believe, endorse, or condemn, have had and continue to practice the habit of trapping themselves into thinking, is the expectation and demand to find solutions to everything. In reality, the expectation of finding a solution to everything is logically fallacious by default. And when faced with issues that can NOT be solved ever, not "in the next 20 years", not "in the next 60 years", EVER, humans recede into irrational thinking because we are biologically and genetically predisposed to seek easy comforts and delusions than challenge ourselves.
@@Zuchiniii I still find it hilarious that the party of inclusion and understanding immediately blamed blacks, hispanics, and men overall for the election. They aren't even trying to ask these voters *why* they decided to vote for the other party.
To be honest, I still disagree with the idea that young men's problems aren't relevant in the larger sense and only matter "to them". Think about the lower 90% of men, not the ones who were born upper class. If you're the CEO's son then sure, you're fine. But most white guys aren't. Hell, most of my white male friends growing up (poorer middle class) have it extremely rough with the job market and scholarships, and they're constantly told that they have privilege for being white guys that they never benefitted from (broken homes, for example). They get passed over for women or PoCs who had significantly easier/wealthier times growing up, because of the "systemic" privilege that my friends never felt. They get turned down for dates because they have no future, while simultaneously being told it's their fault for everything. I did well for myself, but I was very much the exception and got scholarships and job opportunities specifically because I was half-Mexican. If anything, my Hispanic heritage helped me far more. This disenfranchisement with society will be a MASSIVE problem in 20 years if society does nothing to help young men, because men are checking out rapidly. Their issues and struggles are JUST as important as anyone else's. This should not be analogized to a child losing a toy, it should be treated for what it is: an excuse for people to justify hatred and bigotry of young men for historic crimes that they did not commit. It's a desire for "revenge".
The worst part is that those "crimes" never existed in the first place. All of this is done out of pure malice and a desire for more power at any cost.
The white privilege narrative is easily disproven by the fact that white students routinely lie about their ethnicities on college applications in order to access the special privileges and opportunities given to non-white students.
the fact that someone like josh instinctively dismisses these issues as well just goes to show how fucked it is. we literally changed schools to be more welcoming to girls because girls had worse outcomes in education. now the same is true for men and not a single person cares. turns out society IS sexist. against men.
What the chatter over me said. It all boils down to power moves. If hating a specific ethinicity will allow me to increase my power on the system, so be it.
i think people need to treat everyone with empathy by default even if you dont 'get' what theyre going through. people are not inherently bad and everyone has their struggles that you dont even know about, its silly to assume otherwise. treating people as if they are inherently bad is a surefire way to ensure that those people get preyed upon by actually evil people who know how to manipulate their hurt and turn them against others.
I like how the default position for so many people is always "you need to temper your cruelty towards men/whites because the worst thing that could ever possibly happen is men/whites developing a defensive identity politics to counteract your cruelty". Isn't the cruelty itself a bad thing? Shouldn't the cruelty be avoided because it's cruel and not just because it might result in long-term political or cultural losses? You're so immersed in the leftist empathy void that you can't even see it.
@@TheAxeaman a lot of people treat various groups as if being a part of that group = youre bad. eg some people treat women as evil bitches and then are shocked when those women are angry about that.
US schools are quite similar. They only teach memorization, not genuine learning. I thankfully had good teachers who tried to support actual learning and research. Other schools I've been to only really focus on memory. Especially systems like the SAT and AP system. The way you pass those is through memorization. I passed my Ap exams, and I couldn't tell you a thing I learned on them. Even my AP teachers said on day one "You are not here to learn, you are here to memorize the test and get some classes knocked off of your expensive schooling at university".
That's most of the world. Education was dumbed down to rote memorization of a list and those who cannot, do not want or are bad at it are basically a nail to be hammered in.
Not even memorization. The point is to shove you in buildings full of blacks to condition you to live in fear of them when you are a child. You get two choices in school: Kiss their ass and be accepted by them, or have some self-respect and be targeted for psychological abuse. Thankfully the government hasn't clued in on the value of martial arts training in breaking this brainwashing. No one can force their thoughts on you if you can defend yourself. Good thing blacks can't fight for shit, but a lot of times, kids don't understand why anything is happening to them. They get told not to be racist, and also to just let black people hit you and do nothing. They get told to ignore the evidence of their eyes, or else. Is it any wonder so many people are slaves to a "believe this or else" mentality? This is why I will never believe in hitting your children. It's how blacks "raise" children, and look how they turn into opportunistic rats targeting little old ladies and children. Screw that. Don't want people to hate you and your entire people? Don't abuse people. Don't put your hands on people. And certainly don't pull knives, try to stab people in the throat, fail, get cut open in the process, lie through your goddamn teeth to the courts just to spite people, and then cry racism. Because that is how you get people who hate you more than your most self-indulgent fantasy ever could. That is how you create genocidal hate, and I'm okay with that. Fuck around and find out. I'm ready for the Summer of Love 2.0. They will find the fuck out.
welcome to "no child left behind". where no child can fail, but you can only go as fast as the slowest person. also for a short answer. Teachers Unions are to blame.
Hey man, not sure how old you are, but AP tests have been shifting over the last decade to have more of an emphasis on logical reasoning skills, and less on memorization. Source: I'm a high school teacher.
@@CeesaX not 100% sure on the other guy, but I caught the tail end of a very, very good semi-private k-12 school and nearly all my classes were ap, and the only memorization was needed for chemistry. CalcA, calc b, stat, music theory, physics, computer programming a/b were nearly zero memorization. Although as someone who read the textbooks before class and taught myself the subjects.... not sure how relevant my input is from about 20 years ago from the terrible education of Florida.
I remember seeing a news article which accused a celebrity of supporting something (war/russia/israel - I don't remember) cause they had not publicly condemned them yet. It's like there's an ever evolving list of criteria to meet, and there's little hesitation in throwing very tolerate centrists and apolitical people under the bus once their list appears short.
Nah just checking if they support ru is enough. Quick search shows that Steven Seagal, Oliver Stone, Roger Waters and Glenn Jacobs (Kane) are waste of oxygen. Even if someone doesn't directly endorse рu tіn (like these guys did), you can look up their takes defending аssаd gassing Syrians, or cheerleading for other psychos like Maduro... Trust me, if they supported one it's usually the rest too. The list haven't evolved since barrels with chemicals dropped on Ghouta more than a decade ago, it's real easy to actually notice wars happening instead of living in your bubble and pretend nothing ever happens and your biggest issue is who goes into which toilet & culture war BS. I don't care if someone is a "very tolerate centrist" if he literally supports my house getting bombed... It's just that simple.
Its virtually social black mail to try and guilt or indirectly threaten someone into supporting you or your beliefs. Because the implication is very clear, if you say anything but what we want you are the bad guy and people will spread that on the internet. It eliminates nuance and kills any constructive discussion that could be had on a politically complicated topic. Its such a shame.
There was a period where internet people were harassing celebrities for not openly denouncing Israeli because of their response to Hamas. These people stated that not openly denouncing meant you were supporting. Even the celebrities saying that they didn't really know anything on the matter was not a defense. They would just get yelled at. "What would you need to know to not denounce them!"
You might be talking about this Russian actress picked for a Marvel film, but honestly it goes for all celebrities. You pick a side and damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@blumiu2426 i mean it's ok to not be public about your opinion, but you should be aware of what going on. And with situation such as ukraine which is probably on of the most black and white wars on history you should in your little be aware of it and keep it in mind so if you have a chance of helping in any small way you do, that could be donating or simply telling your politicians to send more aid. In in no way supporting the harassment of the russian actress btw just cause she's russian it dorsnt mean she has to publicly speak on it.
Democracy is bad, I was against it before the election. Divine right of kings was wrong, but a better and more accurate narrative than the concept people can aggregate their views into coherent "public policy."
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles." - Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
It’s weird to retroactively look at how self-flagellating and ingratiating celebrities and media after 2010 became. I think that’s what kicked off the belittling and villainizing of anyone that spoke out or criticized any of the socio-political state at the time and it slowly became more and more radical. We’ve essentially constructed a reason for people to be angry, then gave them cart-blanche to lash out against people as a group, as opposed to on an individual basis. And there were no repercussions if you spoke with the social narrative. Idk man, it’s just sad to me that so many people would rather be outraged than invest in their own lives and happiness.
For the record, if you guys haven't seen the recent daily show the Dems or people that were supposed to be left have been advertising and becoming more right leaning. They were for more strict border policies, anti-trans , and more in the side of Israel. The thing about the parties is that people who registered in the party don't mean they're going to be conservative or progressive. Many minorities have had conservative beliefs for years .
Except the part where he attaches it to the far left, which is a bad take. The far left has no power in most of the developed world, the people berating men are vastly more closer to centrists, who have some social left leaning ideas. But none of the economic left, which a far leftist have both socially and economically leftist ideals would realize the pain of of the lower classes, including young men.
As a kindergarten teacher it is heartbreaking to see children be so excited for school and how fast their intrinsic learn instinct gets distorted by the current system. For those who don’t know we all are born with a learning instinct or more scientifically exploration behaviour. In gaming terms you have probably heard from Josh it’s like intrinsic motivation. You know how babies can’t stop themselves from putting random stuff in their mouth or toddlers constantly asking “why?”. It’s their instinct telling them to engage and experience the world. And it is the ultimate building block for healthy and excited learning. But as soon as children are in school they are put in an environment that is stressful, forces them to sit still for long periods of time and essentially punishes them for wanting to engage with the world and its wonders on their terms. The worst offender in this regard is the grading system. It essentially sublimates intrinsic motivation with extrinsic reward. And it is terrible because it makes children cram for an exam so they don’t get a bad grade (if they have the energy to learn at all) to then forget it anyway because the next test is coming up. Through this they are ironically unlearning to learn stuff for the sake of learning. Like Josh said: the education system is not built to help people learn… it is built to create cheap workers. The children of this world deserve better. We all do… (P.S. I have dyslexia so don’t be surprised about the lack of punctuation)
Okay, sorry, this is gonna be a bit of a rant, I can already tell, just skip it if you lack time or interest, but I feel like typing this out right now. German academic secondary school - which is separate from vocational secondary school (the former is called Gymnasium, the latter Realschule - there used to be a lowest tier called Hauptschule which was merged with Realschule in almost all federal countries) - does teach how to do research and so on - it is even promoted (although not required) to write a "Facharbeit" (subject paper), which is like writing a term paper at university, in grade 12 of 13, which is counted into your year's grades. Does that mean that kids are essentially divided into different life paths after 4th or (in a few northern federal countries) 6th grade, based on how they did in primary school? And does it mean someone who went to Realschule literally cannot apply to university unless he or she changes schools to go to Gymnasium after 10th grade, and has to deal with a STEEP learning curve because their education has been geared towards being able to do qualified work (artisan jobs, machine work, and so on), usually spending several weeks to months in internships in companies? Yes. Yes it does. Here's the thing people usually REALLY don't like hearing about this: It works. Extensive comparative studies have been done to countries where there is a unified school system as well as on "Gesamtschule", which is an alternative school concept you can choose to send kids to, but which not many pick. And the results are that kids who go to Gymnasium are far better prepared for university, as are kids who went to Realschule for immediately going into vocational training. And here's one people really, really, REA-HE-HEALLY don't want to accept, but which is ALWAYS shown in these studies: Crime rates for students at Gymnasium are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Not just because you're putting the less-crime-prone kids in one place. Compared to Gesamtschule and other countries' unified systems, having academically excelling children in a separate school makes them less criminal, better at academia and all-around more developed. I know, it's a bummer to hear, but that trope of smarter kids explaining stuff to less smart kids and themselves getting a boost out of it has its limits. Some students simply can't deal with academia, and putting them together with intelligent children pulls everyone down. I went to Gymnasium. I did my Master of Education, i.e. I became a state-approved teacher. At Gymnasium, I learned three foreign languages, programming, and spent the last three years in school doing academic learning no a pre-university level, with three subjects I could pick (chemistry, English and history) singled out for intensive learning. Half of my classes in history and political/social studies were taught IN ENGLISH. Let's be honest: That's not the kind of school someone who can now barely manage to put stuff into a production machine right could manage. And do I wish it was different, that all kids could have the potential to do whatever subject they could wish? Sure. But unfortunately, a lot of kids simply can't. Some because their parents didn't give them a good start, some because their social environment is at fault, honestly some even simply because they can't manage, period, nothing anyone could've done about it. But that's no reason to pull down everyone with them in the name of a misguided sense of "making everyone equal". And on top, a lot of kids in Realschule that would've been in Realschule before the end of Hauptschule are way happier getting a solid vocational background. Really, the issue is with kids who previously would've gone to Hauptschule. Because those that are from that segment who weren't there because they simply COULDN'T deal with school learning, but because they are outright against learning? Those are a real problem. Because even in Realschule, they don't learn. After ten years of schooling, they have trouble wrapping their heads around simple machine work. They don't accept authority and aren't interested in actually doing work. So yes, I stand behind the German system, however much its patent success might fly in the face of wanting everybody to be equal when they're not only not, but can't be in the first place. And is it perfect, are kids never sent to a school which doesn't fit them ever? Of course not. But such cases are much rarer than you might think, and not only do the parents have the last word (the primary school teachers only give recommendations as to which school a student should go to, although the Gymnasium schools individually decide who is admitted into their specific school, so getting into one might be difficult with bad grades), but if kids either noticeably excel in Realschule or just can't handle Gymnasium, they have the option of changing school at any point.
Children are prevented from engaging the world on their terms because their terms are dangerous and non-constructive. They need guidance otherwise they will eat dangerous things, touch deadly things and fall prey to even deadlier things. School helps focus their attentions with things adults know will help them. Your inability to realize why tests are needed does not mean they are not effective, especially so with learning "for the sake of learning.". You have the gall to say all of that BS and then say learning in and of itself is a bad thing? That's monumentally stupid. Go back to school, stop eating crayons and pay attention.
@@DeReAntiqua I’m also German so I’m familiar with the system and I agree with you essentially completely. But I also think you might have misunderstood my intent a little. I don’t say by any stretch of the imagination that all children are born equal (from an potential intelligence standpoint of course) or even worse than we should stop schooling children. I’m was saying that we should work towards a world where the needs of children and the education system are brought into harmony. For example a first grade should start l little later in the day then it currently does because children at that age are simply not ready awake enough to really engage with schoolwork. Education is a complex and multilayered topic that includes so many different things for economics, state funding, family dynamics, social issues and so much more. I’m just sad seeing children being forced into a world that is not going to be kind to them because we adults don’t get our shit together. If that is unreasonable then I guess I’m just unreasonable to some. Anyway I really enjoyed your input on the whole thing ☺️
@@DeReAntiqua In America, (at least where I live) prior to Common Core where everyone is taught in a way to try to give the worst students some sort of step up, classes from primary on were separated into 3 sections. Slow, medium and quick learners. They weren’t called that, but it wasn’t hard to figure it out, especially when I had to repeat the previous year’s math lessons and got put in a different group for that year on. Years 9-12 had the option that for half of the day students could attend a vocational school (VoTech) that would teach things like masonry, culinary arts or childcare. Mostly studies that wouldn’t be something you’d go to a traditional university for. The other half of the day would be the required fundamentals of math, English (general literature and grammar), social studies (history, psychology, American government) and science. The alternative to VoTech was the standard 3-section classes where the top class track was called college prep. Supposedly, it was meant to prepare students for the methods of learning used in university by introducing research papers and giving the option of taking Advanced Preparation classes which you could take a test at the end of it and get college credit for the class. Unfortunately, much of what we were told was wrong. We didn’t have nearly as much homework as we were told we’d have and research papers had already transitioned from libraries and index card sources cited to entirely separate online research and sources. In short, I admire the description of the German system and its commitment to allowing students to study and learn to the best of each individual’s ability (and to preparing them for life as an adult), not to the worst student’s ability as what seems to be the case in America today
Not only are they told that their problems aren't important many of them are told that they will grow up to be the cause of other peoples problems which instills a sense of despondency. I'm sure everyone knows how frustrating it is to be blamed for something you didn't do.
And on top of that some are also told their opinions do not matter because of what their ancestors did AND they get blamed for that too. Make it make sense please....
@@BobBurnham-o6w What I mean by it is essentially if young people are being fed the idea the men are the cause of all these problems that means eventually that blame will be directed at you once your older. I see my yonger brother going through this as he recently turned 21 now hes being perceived as a man has all the baggage that comes with the publics current perception of men placed on him.
4:48 I would disagree with this actually. I don't think it's at all correct to say that in the grand scheme that the problems men face are not important. Initially and individually it may not be a big deal, but when the messaging has become so strong and unanimous that men recuse themselves en masse, chivalry dies, and society begins to erode, it is becoming quite a grand scheme issue. Birth rates can't keep falling forever, and society can't keep functioning if you don't have both men and women invested in keeping it going. Of course, there are a lot more things contributing to this decline than just men suffering, but I don't think I could ever say that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Young men and women ARE the grand scheme, or at least that's how it ought to be in my view. If we are failing them, then we are failing.
Sounds to me much less like a matter of how "extreme" left one is and more like a matter of being terminally online. This flippant dismissal of another person's problems, even if those problems aren't exactly world-shattering for anybody else, requires quite the disconnect from them as a human person, and that's much easier achieved when they're just a collection of tweets to you.
The most extreme leftists I know run food banks, community gardens, skillshares...they only go online to organize. The folks Josh is talking about are terminally online twitter folks. I do agree that the actual left has an outreach problem (a lot of folks who are terminally online could really use that help and those ideas in practice). Dismissing a person's humanity is the exact opposite of what leftists do. Going back to the food bank example, no one doing that is asking those people what their politics are. They are just providing for their needs as best they can because they are humans and deserve to live with dignity.
You 100% never experienced people with these same politics during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. They 100% will dismiss / dehumanize other peoples problems for political polemical righteousness and ideology. The fact you think this type of behavior only stems from "terminally online" says more about your life experiences with these types of politics more than anything else. You grew up in an online world. And most people never ran into these politics in their normie lives pre-internet. They're old positions and takes. So old that seeing them now makes me vomit. Anyone who was part of activist, punk and other similar scenes during those eras knows damn well these are old problems.
@@BlackEcology I'm gonna ask the same question to you, could you explain how the far left doesn't care about people's problems? Like, what sort of problems are we talking about? Because it's completely the opposite of my experience but I guess that's the problem with anecdotal evidence.
The quote ”White privilidge” is one example of the far or extreme left dismissing peoples problems. Basically if you are white you have privilidges other ethnisities dont have and as a result problems you have are automatically lesser and less prevelant than someone of different ethnicity. Similar thing with ”male privilidge”. Those would be too quick examples of it, but Im sure theres plenty more.
0:15 Joke's on you, Josh, I'm an avid H.P. Lovecraft fan. Screaming into the void is one of the main things I've got. And the absolute dearth of likes on my tweets proves that the void is indeed vast and uncaring. 😂
"Anyone who capable of getting themselves into a position of power should on no account be allowed to do the job", was a Douglas Adams quote, from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And rings true to this very day, haha.
"young men have no problems in their life" That is some high-level, class A, deluxe bullshit, and it pisses me off whenever people say it that is just objectively false, and anyone who genuinely believes that that has revealed themselves to be not worth listening to there being people with far worse problems is true but young men are NOT immune to having some VERY serious issues in their lives. hell, young men could be part of the people who you normally think of when you mention those "far worse issues." in fact, there's a pretty serious issue with them being depressed, and bullshit takes like that do nothing but make it worse. young men are just as capable of suffering from issues that DO matter in the grand scheme of things as everyone else young men ARE capable of being victims of abuse (if anything, a young man who is an abuse victim trying to get to safety and get help is far, FAR harder than a young woman, because young men don't have nearly the same level of resources. hell, men in general struggle here) they are capable of being homeless they struggling to find jobs just as much as any other young adult god, that shit pisses me off to no end left or right isn't where the problems are. it's when you go extreme where problems start, and it doesn't matter if it's far right or alt left, it's just as bad either way
It has lots to do with humans evolved ingroup bias towards our females, neither gender feels any towards our males. A useful trait 450k years ago, when there were about 100k humans on the whole planet and every female was precious to the tirbe. Now there are billions of them and this is a huge thorn on the side of any kind of equality movement.
My mum abused me and my siblings but during the divorce my dad was forced to give up literally every asset he ever owned and completely restart financially just to retain equal custody. The legal system did not protect us from our abuser. Me and my brother are mentally broken. For life (my sister too). We function day to day, but we are barely sane. Barely. Because society doesn't want to accept that just because women suffer more (they do, unquestionably) DOES NOT mean that young men can't suffer. I am 100% on the left politically and I've been facepalming hard for years now at how hellbent the left is on alienating people who also need their help.
@@wafflingmean4477 Look to my post above yours to understand why you believe, that women suffer more. I doubt there has been any actual research on the subject, so the statement is utterly unfounded.
'Extreme' is just an arbitrary category at this point. It means nothing and takes away from the fact that a majority of our problems are caused by those we consider 'moderate' whatever tf that means.
@@wafflingmean4477 "Unquestionably".....Women are exempt from any responsibility NOR accountabilty for anything they do. They're so obscenely insulated in society unlike men, the entire gov't machination throws itself into subsidizing women. Women have their way paved while men are told to "pull themselves up" and are seen as useless unless they are wildly successful. Just because the rebranded marxism that morphed into wahmenism has brainwashed you into believing their BS, doesn't make it truth
Pretty far left myself: One core problem is that we tend to see the current view on all topics as laws and if you violate one of them, you're considered an outsider. The right welcomes you if you just agree with them on some topics. You have no problem with LGBTQ and most immigrants but have reservations on some others? Welcome in the pipeline, you will learn the rest.
I hold mostly far-left views too, but I agree with your observation that the left seems a lot more concerned with this sort of 'ideological purity' than other groups.
I'm in the UK, educated about 25 years ago, and I spent ages learning about the kings between 1066 and like 1700 but we totally skipped over any kind of foreign policy. Almost as if it was completely deliberate.
it is - modern foreign policy will have changed dramatically by the time you left school. One political party would be replaced by another and the world would have changed. The foreign policy of even the early 2000s is already obsolete and only interesting to historians.
Online discourse regarding anything tends to be reductive. This group mentality permeates through all of the discussions I come across. Nuance and expertise are sidelined for broad statements or overarching narratives. In the end, no political discourse solves anything. In fact, it seems like solutions are actively put down by presumed "facts" inferred from emotionally charged perspectives. I would claim, as a Turkish left-leaning person, I am a bit unaccustomed to the political realities of the USA for the citizens of it, yet I can easily draw parallels with the political discourse happening in Turkey. At some point they begin to blurr together. The differences in discourse can be staggering, but the core of the arguments tends to be formed in the same vein: Pointed emotions with no proper research, data, expertise or logic behind it. Tribes formed around those ideas dominate online spaces. To see any real discussion, you need to dig deep, and no person that has already made up their mind on the internet searching for validation is going to do that. In the end, Twitter is not the place to learn political thought. Directions for the places of learning were the best I was able to get from the internet. I still fear that without proper discourse with my peers, how can I tamper and improve my views? The go-to place for the political outlook is a rotten carcass constantly cannibalized by opportunistic flies to lay eggs and hatch maggots to perpetuate more of the same. Not only is this dangerous, it also hinders any blossoming thought that makes it way to it and polarizes it. A discussion violated and hijacked, endlessly bound to the internet. Any other purpose it once may have held is replaced with animosity.
I think part of it too is that brevity rules, yet political stuff is usually complex. A position often has pros and cons, and there's often a lot of middle ground between. But that takes a lot of words to get across. And people don't want to spend time reading lots of text. It's why the NRA is so hardline in regards to gun control in the US. It is easy to get people to stand on one side or the other of "gun control is hitting what you're aiming at" vs "no guns", but it is much harder to come to a consensus when you ask people where to draw the line somewhere in the middle. And you see the same thing in other things as well. "With us or against us!" is an easy platform.
As a current teacher in the US (MA specifically, #1 in ed in the country), a lot of our practicum and professional development is focused on helping students develop that love of learning and helping them engage actively in the classroom. The biggest struggle we're facing right now is that a lot of *parents* don't buy into the value of education because that love of learning wasn't taught as much in the past, so for students who don't buy in right away, it's harder to get that support from home.
When I was in university I was told that I was sexist for only associating with guys ... In a computer science class... Zero women attended. And that working part time was unfair towards poor people who actually needed that job. It never occured to that person (more on her later) that I too require sustenance and family situation might not permit freeloading. This was my first week at uni. There werent many situations like this but it stuck with me. Yes, she was white, from a rich family (poor kids dont drive new Mercedes), and owned a macbook with Che Guevara sticker. I hope she got over whatever haunted her.
I think center and center-left political parties not addressing the needs of the people is more of a problem than a small percentage of loud leftists telling men they're bad. We shouldn't be catering to a specific demographic of people when our own politicians couldn't care less about _all_ of us, which their policies reflect. Fixing messaging this way is better than what consultants are suggesting, which is moving further right, but neither way is attacking the real problem.
The Democratic Party hasn't been interested in offering a popular candidate, or letting the american people choose nominees in any case. You know that Bernie was tremendously popular and then they pushed Hillary. They've been suppressing democracy in this way and suffering for it. In four years, they will not be able to lean on the campaign message of how bad Orange Man was during that four years. I think we'll finally see some fresh people show up from both parties, and I'm optimistic for that. We've had enough of the presidents that we deserve, we need a president that can inspire all of us to be better.
yes, for sure. heres how i view this area of thinking: identity politics is a right wing talking point. they use identity politics to divide the working class who they are waging class warfare against. the left needs to push back against the bigotry of their identity politics in order to protect vulnerable people but we cant forget that is not the actual war we need to be fighting, that is the distraction they are using to hide what is happening in the world of economics which is what actually matters. in the world of economics there is no hard left power, in the usa there is centre right vs hard right economics and in the uk there is centre vs right. this is why the 'left' is losing elections, not because of a witch hunt on twitter, theyre losing it because the democrats and labour have been taken over by centre/centre right politicians who are not offering actual democractic socialism that works for the working and middle class.
I think the irony of the small percentage telling men they are bad is that they don't even understand the leftist theory. Patriarchy isn't "men bad", it's the patriarchs that are bad. The average man is just a body to be broken in the wars and factories owned by the patriarchs, while being told that they could become a patriarch too if they work hard enough (they won't), and women have it even worse because they only exist to give birth to men to keep throwing bodies at the machine. This is the actual idea of patriarchy. It's always the people in power, not some original sin of being the wrong gender.
Disenfranchised young men is a much bigger issue then you give credit to, they aren't "being told they're being attacked", they are attacked constantly on all levels by media, laws, schooling, and culture. I appreciate you understanding it is a problem though and needs to be addressed, if not for their actual individual livelihood and well being but for the rest of societies and the futures those young men will help build. We left women behind for a long time but now we are leaving boys behind, we need both to succeed to build futures that are worth living in.
How are men under attack? Could you give some concrete examples?
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The capitalist system doesn't benefit men, it benefits people who can be quiet and follow rules and some strong men. Other men gets left on the wayside.
brother, wtf are you on about. Every system you described is literally built, maintained and iterated on BY and FOR men. Look at the list of people who own the major media companies around the world... all men. Who designed the laws that most countries have today... men. You are actually a prime example of someone being TOLD that men are under attack, with that just being fundamentally untrue.
I dont personally like comparing peoples blights, I think it is a fundamentally flawed way to think. This fact can be seen when it comes to people who suffer from self-h**m or s**cide, to some things seem like ”its no big deal” untill that person is no longer there or something happens to them, then it suddenly turns out it was. It would be better, to instead of placing people into comparison and saying ”ok you get to have support while all of you other people need to deal with it, its not so bad get over it”, it would be better to openly discuss those things and evaluate them as equals and try to help people with their problems and pressing issues as much as possible.
It's just amazing to me how the extreme left will shout to not be bigoted then proceed to label 75 million voters as Literally Hitler because a good chunk of them voted based on their personal problems potentially being fixed. Almost like those people are not at all progressive and just want someone to scream at to ignore their own problems.
For the record, if you guys haven't seen the recent daily show the Dems or people that were supposed to be left have been advertising and becoming more right leaning. They were for more strict border policies, anti-trans , and more in the side of Israel. The thing about the parties is that people who registered in the party don't mean they're going to be conservative or progressive. Many minorities have had conservative beliefs for years .
10:13 -11:03 I am crying. This was the brick wall I ran into after middle school. I made it through high school, but when I entered college I found out (or rather, got to prove what I already suspected) that despite having fairly high qualifications, I had no actual base to build on and no real clue what I was doing. I collapsed hard and eventually fell out of school. I tried a few more times but once I had been violently thrown out of that hamster-wheel, I could not get back in, I ended up completely burned out. I got lucky in the sense that I met some mental-health people who got me and what I ran into and were/are helping me find my own way through this. I've had to do a lot of my growth over again, or much later than could have been. That said, damage was done during a very important time in my development that I doubt will ever go fully away. I have the additional fact that I am Autistic and have ADD (not ADHD), but I don't think that means the issues I faced are unique to me. Autistic people are sometimes compared to canaries in a coal-mine: there's a problem there that's affecting everyone, they are just the first to fall over. Anyway, I could go on about this specific issue forever, but I just want to say how nice it was to hear it from someone "in the wild". From a teacher no less :)
-Egyptians -Greeks and Romans -Battle of Hastings 1066 -World War I The education system literally skipped the best part of "Savages, Savages" For the Queen and the Kingdom we're taking over the world
How can You even do that? That's the lion's share of British history. What abou Napoleon and Trafalgar? I thought the rise of The Royal Navy should be a point of great national pride. I am absolutely shocked.
In my American history education we spent maybe a week on WWI and like 2 months on WWII the teacher I had was great but he had to teach what the district put in place and it was terrible I love history and learned so much from TH-cam that literally put my schooling to shame
it's natural to gloss over certain parts. Education system aim to teach the history from their people's perspective, which is fair. Here in Poland we learned almost nothing of African or Asian history, which is a shame, yes but an understendable one in my opinion. What I don't get is how You can skip over Brotish Empire in the UK. It's almost 500 years for crying out loud. Imagine if for America it was: first settlements, War of Independance, nothing, not even Civil War, and then WWII. It's madness.
@@lordciasteczkor6066 I think the reason for skipping the British Empire in schools is mainly due to the atrocities and horrors that were inflicted on the countries we colonised to keep the illusion that the British Empire was great when in actuality it was a terror on the people who we happened to encounter.
I think all it takes is one hard look on statistics regarding depression and suicide to see the genuine real problems young men face. Sure, we can always find more serious issues but you can say that about anything. Yet it seems hypocritical, to emphasize microaggressions and tone-police discourse, because that can essentially be handled the same way: by ignoring and stating that there are bigger problems. When there's this double standard, it is of no surprise young men feel that they are not wanted. Every conversation about them is with a heavy hand, perpetually telling them to reflect on the consequences of history, as if their existence had anything to do with that. I think a lot of the extreme left that have these positions are essentially morally justifying their intolerance and hatred towards men (because sometimes it genuinely is hatred) through mental gymnastics regarding ideology. The unfortunate consequence: further radicalization of both groups.
Very well said. I agree with Josh's broader point here but saying that they still aren't issues in the grand scheme of things is still part of the problem. Men's issues matter just as much.
An ideology which ascribes collective guilt to certain groups while avoiding it for all others will only result in that group rightfully feeling as though they are being discriminated against and radicalise them. The incoherence and outright evil of progressive ideology has made this.
"Sure, we can always find more serious issues-" This right here is the main problem. "More serious issues" is nonsense. It is a lie. A man who has never experienced real hardship or pain, and a man who has seen endless death and destruction, can both be miserable. At the end of the day, when they are pondering their lives, they will fall back on the same existential dread most suffer from. Their lives can feel equally terrifying and volatile. I've seen plenty of tragedy and hardship in my life, but when I think back to when I was a kid, things didn't feel much different. Life was just as scary, my problems felt just as real. Because at the end of the day, the idea of life and death and existence can be just as traumatizing as anything you'll suffer later in life.
For those more interested in Josh’s thoughts on schooling. I’d reccomend looking up Sir Ken Robinson. Author and education worker that did a lot of work to support education nurturing creativity and the passion to learn. Also in understanding how different kids learn. He wrote a book called “The Element” and it’s quite good! Props, Josh! I appreciate your perspective and I’m glad you took the time to share it! Sincerely, A US citizen that feels the same way about their own schooling system.
I may be misreading the video, but I don’t agree with your opinion regarding young men since I still think you’re missing the point. You’re approaching it from “you don’t have problems/that big of problems, but we should still humor you” which is more than a little patronizing. The problem here is that we feel the need to measure whose problems are bigger as if we can only fix and focus on one thing at a time. Who cares if men or women have it worse, we can empathize and help both. I work for a non-profit which works with special needs orphans in Eastern Europe, and having a comparative mindset will absolutely destroy you. No matter what problem I face, I look at any of these kids it doesn’t even begin to compare. Part of what I’ve been learning recently is that while triage is important, we don’t need to minimize anyone’s struggle in order to make another person’s bigger.
One of the common problems with politics is the concept that we have a finite amount of 'political capital' to act upon. On the one hand, it's not strictly true, because legislatures and governments are full of hundreds and thousands of people who can all work on a problem at once. On the other hand, we kind of make it true because one of the surest political strategies is to attack anything the other guys tries to change. The more things they try to do, the more things you can attack. So that leads to parties trying to triangulate, to try and appeal to the minimum number of voters to get a working majority. We'll just have to see how things shake out now. The one thing I can be sure of is that anyone making predictions one way or the other, right now, is dead wrong.
@@Onii-chan899 That is what it sounded like he said for sure, but even if he did calling names only appeals to the people who already agree with you. When anyone (including myself) is insulted it just leads us to dig our feet in, which isn't productive or helpful for anyone.
@@Bustermachine You're absolutely right. I'd even go a step further, since I don't think young men's disenfranchisement is a political/legal issue, it's a social one. Young men by and large aren't oppressed by laws, so I'd argue that we don't really need the political capital for them. The problem is that, as a society, we've focused more on the tearing down harmful standards of masculinity than the building up of positive ones. The only people giving positive "This is what being a man looks like" advice are the far-right grifters, so a lot of young men are left either trying to follow them into the abyss or build their identity around opposing that (which leads to the fake "feminist ally" extreme leftist). We conflate social and political change far too much. They are interdependent and related, but they aren't the same thing. You can make social changes outside of a legal framework, and that's what young men need.
"Men, you're being fooled by people who are pretending to be your friends , you should go with the side that explicitly tells you how much it hates you" Yeah, you're not convincing anyone. Anyone who already agrees, already agrees, and you don't make a good case for the ones who disagree.
I'm a man on the left and noone is telling me how much they explicitly hate me for being a man. If you feel like those people are referring to you when they say these things, maybe you should ask yourself why?
@@BloodwyrmWildheart "Misandry is institutional" so by whatever metric you're saying this you would also agree misogyny is institutional, correct? Because there is no real world circumstance where the first is true but not the second.
Saying that men's issues are petty and childish in the grand scheme of things "like loosing a kid's toy" is only adding fuel to the fire, Josh. Men's problems aren't about having smelly balls or being friendzoned more often than women. Men's problems are facing life-shattering consequences over a mere suspicion of assault. Men's problems are losing custody of your children, even when the mother is an abusive alcoholic. Because "moms have priority". Men's problems are having an ex demand 20% of your income for a child you're not allowed to see-one you suspect may not even be yours, yet there’s no way to demand a paternity test-while she already receives more in cash assistance than your entire salary. These are the problem the left is saying "doesn't matter". I know it’s a live monologue, and you can’t always second-guess every word, but seriously, Josh-think twice before making comments like these. You’re not improving anything; you’re not changing the minds of those on the left-they’re already set in their views-and you’re only fueling anger on the right.
Nah bro you mistook what he meant. Those things are bad, but in the grand scheme of things most men aren't suffering of those things. Most men, specially young men, suffer from a complex of other issues, which are much less severe than what you mentioned. Josh specifically talks about boys and young men, and that demographic isn't dealing with marriage issues. If you look where most boys seek guidance on, it isn't the unjust child-guardianship laws, it's them being bullied/unsuccessful with women/etc. those aren't as serious like what you mentioned, but they still need to be acknowledged which is what Josh is talking about.
This video is a great example of why socialist/left-wing way of thinking eventually makes them lose the support of the majority in favor of the more populist candidates. This perception that problems of one group are more important than the other is a direct reflection of the socialist desire to equalize outcomes. The problem is that while in less developed countries a lot of people have relatively serious problems, in more developed countries these problems may affect a very small population. And in a democracy, telling the majority of your voters to care about someone else's problems while belittling their own issues is not a very rational strategy.
What made the Civil Rights movement with Dr. King so powerful was framing their demands for progress from the perspective of the worker. Progressives need to find a similar approach for today.
18:40 I'm sorry, but the Pony Express was not the first postal service. Even in Europe the House of Thurn und Taxis came a cheeky 200 years before that.
I disagree with the individual young mans problems being insignificant in the Grand scheme of things. Because half the population are or were young Men. If you help individual young men, you are helping all the individual young men get to a better place. Thats half the population. If every young man decides to focus on bettering their local community instead of the "Grand scheme of things". They would literally improve the grand world problems.
Kudos to you for being able to articulate your stance. Stuff like free school meals and the safety net play a big factor, but we have to think beyond our own circumstances. It’s kinda made me afraid to speak out about my own political stance.
Interesting how the group that claims all lived experience is valid are so quick to invalidate experiences that don't coincidence with what they deem appropriate. 🤔
Josh seems to be still of the opinion that the problem of young men on the grand scheme of things is minor. Its not. They are falling behind and are extremely effective in offing themselves. Also not just the far right is attractive to young men its the middle and right cause the left made young men their enemy.
Indeed, it is a recipe for ruined lives, demographic collapse, and large-scale political violence. It is minor only in the sense that some of them are not old enough to vote.
thats not what he was saying... hes saying that their individual problems, while minor on their own by comparison to certain problems other groups have, are "on the grand scheme of things" a major issue that the left ignores or actively demonizes
@@NevisYsbrydwhen compared to other, larger issues they are, though. Individual young men can have almost infinitely large issues but taken as a group they aren't being directly victimised by society. Nobody is threatening to take away their rights or target them with violence. Their issues are valid but so are everybody else's. I fact, I haven't seen a single person give an actual example of an issue that is specific to young men that isn't also an issue to everybody else. I would genuinely appreciate it if you (or anybody) could give an example of a problem that disproportionately impacts young men.
@Cortanakya Men pay the majority of taxes, funding social services predominantly used by women (who are, on average, net tax drains). Men account for the majority of workplace accidents, especially fatalities. Men are subject to the draft. Male insurance rates are higher and receive far less in preferential support such as affirmative action. Males are in some districts _explicitly assumed_ to be the perpetrator in domestic abuse cases even when they are in fact the abused or are the one making the call. Family courts overwhelmingly rule in favor of mothers over fathers. Men are more likely to be both perpetrators and subjects of battery and murder and more likely to be killed by police when not resisting arrest. Women graduate in academics at massively higher rates. As women largely date across and up socioeconomically and often congregate around a small pool of relatively successful/high status men, economic depression and housing shortages effectively takes men out of the dating market and reproduction at much higher rates than women. And this all the whole making them out to be scapegoat for social problems they had little agency, and in the case of young men, often no agency, in making. The result of this is a depleted and dwindling workforce and collapsing infrastructure and desperate/hopeless young men in an increasingly stratified society, which is exactly (the Gini Coefficient) the best statistical predictor of violent criminality. It creates gangs, economic depression, and an angry underclass that easily be exploited for massive and violent political action as it often historically has been.
I hated going to school. I always felt like I wasn't learning anything. If the subject was interesting to me I'd do research afterwards at home and add that information in answers on tests. I only remember 1 'teacher' who appreciated this. Needless to say I never got far in school as remembering stuff is boring and I suck at 'learning' that way.
That was my experience of Primary school, and then going to Secondary school was just non-stop bullying and building a strong base of trauma that would affect me for the next 20+ years. School was the worst time of my life
I've always been a classicle liberal which today has become a conserative, Really pro family vlaues and leaving other people alone. But schools right now the standard of education has really went down hil in england im 22 and have been though the ringer and had to self teach a lot of stuff. Like most of it. Im anti tax's pro gun. freedom of speech should be absolute unless you say you gonna hit people with your car. The issue is right now is no one is talking about the rampent govament corrution in the west and I belive these exstream lefty social issues are used by the state to distract people from that corrution. In the schools when we where like 6 we where taught some level of critcal thinking but i think thats gone recently.
I was a young guy once. I found my way through the world. Became a therapist. Best decision in my life so far! I would encourage guys who feels lost to go work on yourself. Learn something new. Develop a new skill. TUNE THE WORLD OUT and focus on you and those around you. Focus on being charitable to yourself and others with your time. Focus on having a positive impact multidirectionally: both toward yourself and others. Don't just focus only on yourself, or only on others. Balance the two. A job like mine has really been transformative in my life. Good luck, young guys! And everyone.
I'm a moderate conservative (Canadian) who used to be liberal and one of the major things that led me to this position is that I felt unwelcome and pushed away by other leftists I actually agreed with. I was told many times that it's not my place to voice my opinions because I am a straight white man, even though I was agreeing with and supporting the views shared by others. I felt that I was being judged as an individual based on the actions of a group. Guilty by association. Inherently evil. The same people who preached the importance of accepting others for who they are was ostricizing me based on my race, gander and sexuality. I believed then and still believe now that the leftists I was connecting with were using the same actions, fueled by the same beliefs that were used to oppress people in the past. A sort of "shut up and know your place" mentality that I do not support. If you believe that your views are the only morally defensible views, then anyone who disagrees with you must be amoral, before even hearing what they have to say. I do not believe this type of thinking is productive or healthy on both societal and individual levels. When you speak to people in anger, when you talk down to them and treat them as lesser than yourself, its only natural that they would choose not to align with you, regardless of what you're actually saying
This is exactly my experience. They don't even realize you agree with them because they've already made presuppositions based on your gender and skin color. That's prejudice...
I'm sorry that it happened to you and @DanMan852 , I agree that any kind of prejudice is prejudice regardless of the person's race. But, can you be more specific? Who are we talking about, and where are they? I'm left leaning, and I very rarely see these kinds of comments, and the few times I saw it, it receives a lot of much-needed scrutiny and criticism. Which left space are you talking about? I'd like to know, because it is imperative that most members of my side aren't a racist themselves.
@CoalCollector I started shifting conservative around 2019 while I was studying music at college in Ontario. During that time, Trump was in office for his first term and whenever he was brought up, most people I talked to openly mocked him, called him stupid, etc. At some point, I realized that I only knew of Trump through talking with people who hated him and so one day, I asked them to explain in more detail what he had said and done that was so bad. They told me that if I didn't already know then I'm part of the problem, that it wasn't their job to educate me, that it's just like a white male to not see the issues directly in front of you [me] and that it was only my white privilege that allowed me to behave so ignorantly. Several people I considered good friends chose not to talk to me after that interaction. I reached out a few times to try and repair our relationship but they ghosted me. I didn't understand how asking what I thought was a simple question would be taken as an attack and I was bitter and resentful about it for a while. That's a big part of why I believe that it's important to treat well those you disagree with. It''s essentially the old "catch more flies with honey" saying. This was between a small group of individuals with no significant ties to any political institutions and I should say that I do not aim to make any point outside of the scope of my personal experience. I recognize that liberals are not a monoloth, that they are individuals with their own individual ideas and that the actions of the few do not portray the beliefs of the many
@@darrenmills3943 Thank you for your time, and I appreciate the effort you put into this. I'll admit, even though I rarely see these kinds of people, the few times I've seen them online have made me feel disappointed, angry, and sad at the same time. We can get very emotional because of how much people potentially lose if he wins, but there is not enough excuse in the world to justify letting emotions get the better of us. In my opinion, there is a problem on the left, which is that we are reluctant to gatekeep toxic people and criticize people who share the same ideology as us. People call it toxic positivity, and rightly so. Because of this political atmosphere, the far left has become too loud and unchecked, which has unfortunately made them the face of the left. If we can gatekeep PDF files from joining the LGBTQ+ community, we can gatekeep misandrists, people who are racist towards white people, and, in your case, people who decide that everyone who isn't with them is against them.
@CoalCollector I agree wholeheartedly, you make strong points. You brought up gate keeping specifically which I feel is a complicated issue. I agree with your assertion that there are people on the left who, just as with any large group, exhibit toxic and hateful behavior and that something should be done to mitigate the influence of these individuals. My concern, which I invite your thoughts on, is that by actively gatekeeping those individuals, we might be putting them in the same position that they put others in and that we are ultimately aiming to stop. I am personally unsure where the line is between calling out what we perceive to be legitimate bad behavior and essentially silencing those who have different perspectives than us
Incorrect, especially when said person/someone fails to address them properly. The fact is that NOTHING MATTERS, full stop. Everyone has issues. What's relevant is how they DEAL WITH THEM.
i Mean ... Josh... telling young men, that "not having enough money to afford living is meaningless problem" does not feel like a trivial problem to me.
Yup, finished secondary in '03. My history lessons covered the following: - Predominately Industrial revolution - Tiny bit of WW2 That was it.. I learnt more about mining, working conditions of factories in the 1800's, Rail industry, people who build bridge. Only in my 20's did I go out and learn about WW2 via a 26 part.. Yes, 26 hour long episodes covering the whole of the WW2 saga from all perspectives, made by the BBC called 'The World at War' All the way through I thought, 'this is better learning then anything I learnt in school..' All we are taught in school is how to be a good factory worker and take commands, so when we go into the real world we're screwed as WE ARE NOT ALL GOING TO WORK IN FACTORIES!
One of my most ingrained memories coming up in the public school system was the frightening amount of times I was told "Act your age" the first time was in 6th grade. I was 12, I got too ingrained into a conversation with my friend in class. Various teachers did this and it ended up creating this bizarre pecking order where nobody actually knew what we were supposed to act like and we practically ranked each other over how mature we were. Being growing hormonal children this naturally combined with our growing interest in sex so we all rushed forward into acting like late teenagers, as a result my later school life was filled with an incredibly unstable student body that was incredibly cruel, sexual, and emotionally immature where breakdowns were a common occurrence. It never really clicked to me until much later that so many of my teachers thought the Children being Children were inconvenient, it's one of many reasons I have a bizarre intrinsic hate of school in general now.
The thing a lot of people (especially teachers tbh) seem to gloss over with the education issue is some kids genuinely don't give a fuck about learning. You could be the best teacher alive and they still wouldn't listen to you. Some people are just shits.
School exists to teach 2 things mostly 1st be on Time 2nd Remember and repeat those 2 points make about 90% of the education only on 10% is stuff like beeing inovative or creative cause the Industy needs more workers that it need thinkers.
"communism isn't a dictatorship read a book" Always one guy in chat who is trying to start something whenever his religion is even adjacently mentioned
Saying "your problems dont matter becasue problem xyz is more important" is in most of the cases basically just whataboutism. And a bad way to actually argue. Becasue if you rigorously applay that logic. Nothting really matters becasue any problems seems insignificant in comparison to the whole. As to the Problems of young Men: Another political youtuber i listen to made some great points about that. The Real problen in villifying young men. Or men in general is the lack of a solution. Saying: Youre the problem. Change. Doesnt solve anything. Especially if the connection is too vague. in example: Patriachy has made some bad things-> Patriachy is made up of men-> You are a man. So its your fault and you need to change. When Tearing down what man are or supposed to be because you belive thats bad. You need to offer a different outlook or solution. As in answering the question: How i am supposed to be? And when thats not done. It will in the end harm everyone. Including your own goal.
Men, your problems are real and they matter, both to you AND in the grand scheme of things. Heads up lads. You matter, you have much to contribute to the world, and you don't ever have to accept being society's whipping boy. Your life is more important than to be some sacrifice to right past wrongs. Walk uprightly, be proud of who you are, and strive for excellence in all your endeavors.
*Edit* [I'm an outspoken Leftist & am in no way promoting "Both Sides" arguments] Josh said nothing incorrect. Inherently, he's got the right views, the only issue is the typical oversight of most "non-political" people: Equating the loudest voices with "The Radical Left." These folks aren't "the Left," they're Reactionaries who happen to believe in *some* Leftist ideas. Reactionary thinking has no politics, but it's inherent to being uneducated & apathetic. It just so happens that being uneducated & apathetic is almost universally associated with being Right wing...but there are still some dumb Lefties, too.
There is a missing step in responsibility and education that gets jumped over. I felt this personally when I at 24 realized that I am only starting to mature at that point and that for me 18 was to early for me to become an adult. To start university, to start working, to become responsible for my own future. It was too sudden for me.
100% agree with you on the Education system part. It's basically the same here in Germany and it's absolutely horrifying. Even if we the students ask for Education on Politics and ask to be taught on finding good sources, cross referencing and why one should do all that, we are told that "political education hasn't been a thing here since the GDR".
In the grand scheme of things NO problem matters. The universe is so vast and we make up such a small part of it that we cant even write it out as a fraction. So if problems are to be judged on that scale, NO problem matters. Not even the worst possible problem that someone can come up with when dismissing the problems of other people. So maybe we should just agree not to compare problems like that?
You're 100% right. This is the comment I was looking for, and it should be common sense. Tragedy strikes both rich and poor alike. Even billionaires can suffer. The idea of "privilege" has turned people into morons.
Kind of insane how in Brazilian school on history we do touch on basically every section. Classical history, egyptians and mesopotamians, then early greeks, actual greeks, then the romans, then early middle ages then it goes into middle ages, fudalism, the franks, the holy roman empire, england etc etc. Then there might be a week or two touching on aztecs, mayans and inca, india and china. Then the modern age actually gets more detailed with the renassaince, the age of exploration and then that little thing of we living on an ex colony of the portuguese. Anyways we kinda see a general overview of most things world history after 1700 or so, we see the american history for a bit too, and of course another branch of history is enterily focused on brazillian history. Then there' french revolution, the peoples' spring, british empire, china and russia entering the world stage, age of independences across the colonies, then world wars then african independece and modern history is mostly just brazillian history. Modern world stuff is teached in Geography. Anyways not that of course our school system is actually better but thats a lot of other reasons and factors anyways.
first off, thanks for this insightful comment into br schooling. exposed me to something i knew nothing about, yet find extremely interesting learning about a different culture's education system. this sort of information is really hard to learn about without speaking the language is this just an extremely affluent brazilian school you describe? otherwise i find it hard to rationalize this in depth education of history with the brazilian friends and randoms i have interacted with over the years in many, many different video games. i've been friends with many br going all the way back to diablo 2 pre lod expansion. my best friend 4-8th grade before he moved was br and he was definitely the type to have flourished in a school environment similar to what you describe, but of course his family had immigrated to oklahoma before he could have experienced almost all of the curriculum you released. we had a similar curriculum to what you described in oklahoma, until it completely collapsed after ww2. beyond ww2 thru modern history all we essentially were taught was that the viet nam war happened, the cold war meant duck and cover, and the berlin wall came down. i only knew the korean war happened because my history teacher fought in it, though he taught us nothing about it's causes, how it was fought, what insanity led to all the theatrical posturing along the dmz, or why it will never officially end. some day i will visit br, but until then i'm happy interacting with my br homies online. but i'm just super jealous of the curriculum you outlined. especially since oklahoma's curriculum has gotten substantial worse since i graduated, this year now requiring bibles in all public school classrooms.
@kingkarlito hi! So, yeah unfortunately Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world, and super unfortunately is that while we have good and free college education (need to pass exams ofc), the free education system for elementary and high school is very unfunded and insufficient. However, and because of this, private school is not like the ones in the US and UK, most of them are way more affordable. So different people from the same social class might actually have either gone private or public school, especially because there are some well kept and good public schools too (although in general yeah, people with less resources are much more likely to just go free public school), and even on the private schools there is a range of price and quality. That said, the curriculum i described is indeed more or less the *intended* national curriculum for all schools to teach, and yes i did have a good, kind of expensive school (at least my last one, i changed schools quite often) but far, FAR from "elite" private ones whose monthly subscription can go to thousands and thousands of Reais per child. Anyways, those subjects i mentioned are teached on the 4 years of "Fundamental II" which i believe is like second elementary school(?). ages around 10 - 13 years old. The average private school (which again, is actually a bit more common here, not only something for the very rich) will have most of those subjects in the history discipline at least if the school is well, good. Then on high school (which is 3 years here) we review the important parts of those periods again, especially the more modern age, and again talking a lot about brazilian history (i think in high school feels like 60% of history classes are for brazil starting from 1500 ad.) But yeah, in the end like i said there are many factors around the brazilian education system that doesnt make all of this that effective, and you do have to consider public schools are in general not as detailed and thorough unfortunately, but the curriculum itself, is packed with subjects, for history and geography as an example. Like we see a lot of geopolitics on the end of fundamental II and thru high school. Although they are trying to make terrible reforms to our public highschool system that would strip a lot of this knowledge, targeting especially the humanities... Also that's cool that you have met some brazillians and are in contact with our culture , i hope what i said was interesting for you!
This is the best way to teach children about history. If you only teach them about their own history, they'll get an unbalanced view of the world. You see this happening all over the western world, especially when it comes to learning about topics such as slavery.
As someone who leans left, I agree with what you said, especially schools. The fact it suppose to teach us, socialize us, and instil "learning is fun", all I learned Is I'm the socially slow and the fall behind black sheep and learning is suffering and not worth living for. Thankfully my life got saved by my last teacher who could tell something was wrong. But these damages still exist even after turning 23
I never thought I'd hear a center left British man actually hit a nail on the head so squarely. Yeah, here in the US we also have a big problem of young men being disenfranchised, it's a big reason Trump has rallied a lot of support in young men. I won't say they're wrong for supporting Trump, your candidate is your candidate, and you'll flock to the person who says the things you like; but it was so much easier for people to accept him even back in 2016 when Hillary was just being dismissive of basically everyone who wasn't a minority group or woman. When you tell people their problems don't matter, they just clock out and you lose them. They'll go to anyone else. That ignorance and arrogance will come back to bite you hard when you suddenly want them to care about your problems. This flows right downhill to all of the BLM and other social strife that happened around that time. Why would young men care about anything else that's happening when they just get told to shut up?
Yea its true about Schools, I did a lot more learning since leaving School and enjoyed it a lot more. Don't get me wrong, certain teachers did a really good job and made the subject interesting and easier to learn than others, its really not easy to do that in my experience. Think I have had 2-3 teachers who were at that level. But yea generally speaking Schools are pretty poor.
The number of people around here who jsut vote "How my dad is" is too damn high. They don't know how to parse info, think for themselves and figure out if the policy will affect them or not. They don't even know how to look for it most of the time.
Shifting the focus slightly - it’s also about how people model receiving feedback. If even something couched in lukewarm terms is perceived as an attack on identity, then it is quite likely that the people offering no critique at all will be the most successful at reaching a particular audience. There are plenty of people who work everyday to try to model empathy, but in the attention economy, these voices are too easily overshadowed by a false choice between perceptions of hostility on one side and permissiveness on the other :(
Visa gave up on the titles. OMEGALUL Also, there was a fantastic image that goes by the name of "Everyone I dislike is Hitler: A kids book to how to have political discussions online", I think this phrase alone give a brief description of twitter at it finest.
On the other side of the same coin, not every comparison to Hitler should be dismissed out-of-hand. It happens pretty often where someone is basically quoting Mein Kampf word for word and some naive centrist type goes "oh the left will call ANYONE a fascist!" As always, black and white thinking is just never useful.
The pretense that “others have it worse than young men” is rather fucked up if you ask me. And the women pretending while all the statistics are in their favor to be the primary “victim” of society is insidious
It's fucked up because it's not true. We've been conditioned to think that men have it easy, but the reality is that almost every bad thing that can happen to a person happens mostly to men. The biggest outliers are sexual assault and domestic abuse, but even these crimes happen very often to men as well. Suicide? Homelessness? Drug overdose? War death? Murder? Imprisonment? Men are like 75-95% of the victims. No rational person would look at the big picture and say "gee, men sure do have it the best".
@@wholetyouinhere That's all true. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. We shouldn't trivialize the hardships either gender has to face, and we should be fighting to remedy both the best we can. I've found that anyone trying to divide you into groups is probably not on your side, and the reason is usually money.
@@ChronicConundrumThat's the thing. It cannot be simplified to "one gender has it worse" the issue is too complex and it doesn't have an easy solution. Empathy and understanding the other side's can help, dividing and shouting "WE HAVE IT WORSE" will not.
@@wholetyouinhere"Gee, sure men do have it the best" happens because lunatics look at the top 1% of luxury living or historical power and apply it to everyone with that appearance
@@ChronicConundrum That "Oh it affects everyone" line only comes up when something disproportionately hurts men. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a "We must stop violence against women and girls!" poster and nobody in the mainstream takes offense to it. And the fucked up part is women aren't even the majority of victims of violence.
@@JeyKalda Nah not a world wide problem , I dont know anyone with step parents or raised by 1 parent all my life, rare to see something like that here.
@@JeyKalda In most of the world families are a lot tighter together and divorces aren't really a thing. A side effect of allowing divorce easily is that people would rather end a relationship than work through the problems.
Hearing this made me realize the significance of history in different contries. Iirc in Germany they teach National socialist Germany from elementary to high school in various aspects (with some other topics like WW1 and its DLCs) so much so that many students actually get sick of it after 12 years of school, lol. Can't confirm that though but it makes me appreciate how Germany actually cares to teach their mistakes from the past and educate their students. Whereas you have countries like the US, Japan and apparently also to some parts of the UK like we heard in this video, who simply glance over the issues of their countries' not-so-glamurous past, their atrocities and the lessons that should be learned. It's either "nah we were the good guys" or things get silently swept under the rug and not mentioned at all.
I think Germans overdo it to be honest. Thing is Nazism was an exceptional moment in their history that only lasted for 12 years. There's more to Germany and German history than that moment in time. Plus, it's not even effective anymore, considering the popularity of groups like AfD.
Get off your high horse. Current US history is a bash fest reminding you hundreds of times about how horrible the US is. the "nah we're the good guys" hasn't been a thing since communists completed the infiltration in the early 2000s. And no ya'll are not good. You've inserted so much self hatred into your own population that you have to deal with the AFD now or whatever they're called.
Constantly self flagellating doesn't do any good either though I know plenty of Germans who are profoundly uneducated on what they word "fascism" actually means because they've been indoctrinated into thinking it means anyone remotely right wing.
When you scream into the void, the void tells you that you're wrong and that you should stop talking, because you suck, and you don't deserve love. The void wonders why you haven't sudoku'd yourself yet. The void thinks you're selfish for waiting so long. The void continues screaming long after you go silent.
I appreciate all the points Josh makes here. I also used to be center=left (American spectrum). Then the spectrum went expanded so far in the leftward direction that I found myself center, and then center right. Now I'm disappointed in and distrustful of the left as a whole. His comments on how young men in the west are spot on. They have been vilified. The left has told them for years that they are inherently bad people. So of course they turn to other voices in the discourse. Everyone wants to escape their bully.
I think Josh was being unfair to what is covered in History. My school covered a lot more. A rolling chronology from 1066 to the cold war over the span of three years of education( year 7 -9). It is true that what was covered was mostly homebound though(So no colonialism). Didn't really learn of things that happened outside the country until 20th century history.
Crazy how Josh sits slightly to the center-left in the video
AUUUR NAAAAUH I CANT BELIEVE IT
Thats how the lie continues. He's actually centre right.
Technically, he's sitting center-right.
@@bowlock9901seems like it's a matter of perspective 😎YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH
@@bowlock9901 As everyone knows, being center left just means you're 10 years away from being center right.
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they're elected. Don't you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” ― Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
Nice one. GNU PTerry
pratchett my beloved
Buys tons of sweets.
Deludes himself into believing that they're meant for Halloween.
Pretends to not be home.
Consumes "leftovers".
Based. Innit
Delightfully devilish
I did the same shit.
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well ... would be a waste to let them go bad
I can never understand people writing paragraphs of text on twitch for it to go out of sight in 2s
Yeah same
Probably because you never use twitch. I'm not a fan of streams so I couldn't engage much with chat but I tried it out for the lulz a few times and often people would whisper me back reacting to what I wrote. I ended up chatting with some of them. This isn't anything mysterious but the very same what happened in the beginning of chatrooms where people would spam: 'write 12345 to chat with me' to find themselves private chatting partners. It's just now while a stream is happening and you are expected to write something original enough so at least one person reacts directly to you.
Never understood this either. Who would even care enough to read the essay of a random name in a Twitch chat?
@@Noqtis That explains it a bit, thank you.
@@ZeptoZeno Yeah that's my perspective lol
I think the first step is to stop minimizing problems just because they're experienced by certain people.
I don't like to trot out this example (for obvious reasons) but I'm a white, heterosexual man. I was homeless for 8 years from the age of 16 and nobody (and I really do mean nobody) came to my aid during that time.
I didn't qualify for aid precisely because I was a white, heterosexual male and I wasn't considered "vulnerable" enough (even at 16 years old.) Time and again doors would be shut to me because I wasn't brown enough, or feminine enough, or gay enough, and I fell through the cracks.
It was only a chance meeting with an MP that got things moving again and I finally got a bed to sleep on. But that was 20 years ago and from what I've heard things have only gotten worse.
I was one of the lucky ones. Lots of young men in my situation don't even survive long enough to get a chance to turn their lives around. Worse is when they do finally get a chance to turn their lives around, the damage has already been done, and they spend the rest of their lives in and out of prison because it is the only life they know.
And then society has the cast iron balls to complain that these men are "acting up." Of course they're acting up, they have severe PTSD and don't know how to survive any other way. What do you expect when you treat human beings like wild animals?
I do not in any way resent minorities. I have no problem with black people or gay people or women or refugees or immigrants or anyone else. What I do have a problem with is a society that said I didn't matter because of how I was born. A society that claims to be compassionate while at the same time leaving people like me to rot in the streets.
White boy's problems aren't just problems "to them," they are real problems with life altering - sometimes life ending - consequences. Can we please stop patronizing people because they don't cleanly fit into our narrow definition of "victim." A human being is a human being, regardless of their skin tone, gender or sexual orientation.
This is exactly the message I've been bitching about. The left should stop pushing identity politics. Stop only helping people because of categories. We should ask ourselves: are they suffering? Can we ease that suffering? If yes to both, then let's get the job done. We should be taking care of people.
Pretty much. I never (quite) ended up homeless myself, but I did come close a few times, and in some pretty abusive living arrangements because I didn't have any better options.
I can think of several times in my life where I KNOW that women who I knew that were in similar situations were getting assistance, but all I got was some variant of "suck it up princess". When that's something that happens with regularity, it can result in very different life outcomes in the end. In my case, I've gone from being someone who was receiving media attention for my performance in maths and science competitions in my late teens, to a NEET with no prospects who can't even get the sort of jobs that I was forbidden by my teachers to get work experience as a teen because they were "a waste of my talents". Undiagnosed autism was probably also a factor, but the truth is that everybody needs a bit of outside support from time to time, and however talented you are it's hard to achieve success when that door gets slammed in your face every time because you're a white cishet man who doesn't have rich parents. If an honours roll student can't get anywhere, what chance does any other young man have?
Of the various people I did my physics degree with, the only ones I know are still in academia are the women. Which is not to diminish them - they're all highly intelligent and deserve to be where they are. But the guy who was the top student of the year below me who I'm still in occasional contact with certainly deserved better than he got (although he did land on his feet far better than I did).
Now, I'm educated enough to know that the various populist movements that angry young men are turning to are not actually interested in solving the problem, but in exploiting it for their own gain, and that centre left political groups are still the least bad option in this respect. But I'm aware that I'm atypical in that regard, and the far left seems to be actively hostile and looking to punish young men for historical "privilege" that in reality was only ever really experienced by the upper class. As I've said before: One of the biggest problems in the modern world is that the far right has a pipeline that takes young men from the centre-right and pushes them, step by step, towards the far right. While the far left has a pipeline that takes young men from the centre-left and pushes them, step by step, towards the far right.
@@cryptomancer2927Unfortunately, the push for "diversity" inadvertently created this issue in the first place. The only way out is to stop purity spiraling, which they can't seem to do.
@@Blurredborderlines I think they didn't care about diversity. I feel like the left was taken over by corporate shills. They only used that as a platform because it sounds progressive. It's their way of riding up their base to get them to vote without ever having to solve the problem. Every election cycle we see some racist or phobic cause we suddenly need to solve by voting them in. Once in. Problem gone. Put away for 4 more years.
the problem is that what you went through, is exactly what a lot of minority kids also go through, at a much higher rate. so policies were created to help specifically them. the problem however is when those policies fail to include other people needing help just because of their skin color. they failed you, but it's not because they decided to help them instead, it's because they forgot people like you also need help just because your skin color give you some privileges.
Josh’s grid based inventory has really reached the next level
He unlocked all the extra slots
We need four-dimensional kallax
The situation situation is crazy.
Insane
The situation situation is situation.
The discourse discourse about the situation situation is also crazy
Its crazy allright..
The situation is crazy.
Is crazy.
Crazy.
british man being center left is probably the most generic british youtuber stereotype
That so? I could've bet that it was the opposite.
How he can be center left after seeing what Labour has done to the UK idk man guys deluded.
@@rokva5771 In terms of the UK overall you'd be right. In terms of the UK that is young enough to be hosting a channel on youtube . . . eh . . .
@@Bustermachine so true
what's your point tho
EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING suffers. Trauma one up-man ship, or devaluing people's emotional health is evil.
It's definitely abuse
Eh, I am not. But sure.
Are you not evil or not suffering?
"There are people with far worse problems" does not mean you don't have problems.
I'm pretty feminist-leaning, and even I can recognize that many things men say are problems... *are problems*. Men's mental health is fucked for so many reasons. The loneliness epidemic *does* hit every demographic, but men broadly have it worse. Hell, I can even recognize that there is some over-correction on a lot of things that are reasonable.
Sure. But it's one thing to say it and another to actually live it. Feminism is a movement historically meant to help women gain rights, not trod down on or speak badly of men.
But that's mainly what it's used for contemporarily. One single woman speaking against that means nothing.
Feminism is absolutely incomplete without a compassionate approach to men's issues incl. how they suffer from toxic masculinity (the actual toxic masculinity, not the insincere assumptions about the term) and any Feminist who has read a book and isn't just an online sh!tposter will confirm this.
men dont have problems they dont matter in the grand scheme of things and we should pull all support for programs that could possibly help men
@@spankyjeffro5320 I'm not so sure that is actually entirely true that feminism has been primarily for women because I have seen many feminists speaking about literature from the years of Women's Suffrage that go very much into men's issues and how men are affected by the very things that are causing women's suffering. It's just the movement, like many movements, has been 'hijacked' by the elite class and spun in a way that makes it so much more alienating, hostile and divisive than it's original purpose and because they have the strongest media presence or even outright control the media that is the message that gets put out to the masses about what the 'movement' is despite that the vast majority of the people in the movement are adamantly opposed to that message, it doesn't matter. They spend top dollar to make sure people hear feminism and think 'feminazism' and that's the end of it.
@@spankyjeffro5320 "One single woman speaking against that means nothing" A quote by Rosa Parks.
the clickbait asmongold type meta title
more like pyrocynical
I fucking gave up
@@JoshStrifeSays To be fair, it worked. But I probably would've watched it regardless
If it works, it works
Guys, Charlie is the grandfather of that format
- "Loves cats, writes on walls"
- Hmm, I have a 2 year old nephew who's egyptian
At least he doesn't do his wall writing with poop. My nephews are both grown up up now, but the elder one totally did that when he was little.
Like JSH, I am definitely left of center. We haven't had "a couple of years" of that. It's been a pretty consistent staple of a lot of how leftists and progressives have worked since at least 2016, when Bernie Sanders supporters (especially male Sanders supporters) were disregarded as sexists for liking Sanders (an actual progressive) over Hillary Clinton (a corporate democrat).
The unwillingness to welcome young men, combined with the common hostility towards them, has backfired spectacularly politically for left leaning and progressive parties the last decade, because the right are happy to welcome them.
I feel bad for all those fools going over there to hang out with Bendejo Pepino and the Quartering and Matt Walsh and that broad who eats butter
Yep, people like vaush and hasan have been saying this for ages. We need to give young men a positive role model and a compelling narrative. And, "dont be toxic" is NOT a compelling narrative especially for young men just learning about politics.
@@butHomeisNowhere___They might be saying this, but absolutely evil and disgusting themselves. Nothing these two say is ever worth anything. They only want power, so they ban everyone, who even slightly disagrees, while spewing shit, like "America deserved 9/11" or "My principles are winning. Losing with your principles is worth jack shit". Actual quotes
It's worth pointing out that being center left in the UK is equivalent to being progressive left in the US, as our Overton Window has shifted so far to the right over the last thirty years. If Bernie Sanders were a politician in the EU, he'd be seen as a centrist on most issues.
@@butHomeisNowhere___ blergh v*ush and h*s*n ew ew ew ew
I’d disagree on the “doesn’t factually matter in the grand scheme” thing. Maybe it matters *less* than other issues, but it does still matter. If you start arguing “in the grand scheme” then I can just as easily say no problems matter; humanity will die out anyway.
Like, what you said is good, but it also has the implicit feeling of patronization
I think it might be one of the bigger issues in the grand scheme of things. It has huge impact on the political world. It may push many men into depression, isolation, self harm, agressive behaviour, and even suicide. I think we're witnessing a snowball effect, which may reach a critical mass in 5-15 years and result in some scary scenarios.
And I am not saying this just to focus on the outcomes. I trully believe men's lives are as valuable and important as any other person's.
Ripple effect.
@@furryfox12 Definitely agree. But I’m willing to concede to others that there’s other issues such abortion deserving more immediate focus. As a white guy who’s straight and fit at 31, I have to acknowledge a natural bias and knowledge/experience gap when arguing social issues. I try to avoid creating a pyramid of these things cause it feels like victimhood olympics….which is it’s own toxic issues on social media 😅
He did say he leans left.
Yeah it feels like he doesn't realise he's still doing it. Atleast I don't think he's doing it on purpose, but he definitely needs to reflect on it.
one of the wisest things ive ever heard was "two things can be true at the same time" a persons problem can be both unimportant and very important and this is a good thing to think about
This is true, but it doesn't really even apply in this case. Men are dying by the millions in wars right now. Men are committing suicide and overdosing at far higher rates than women. Men comprise 95% of our prison populations. Men are the primary victims of violent crime by a long shot. Men are receiving less education. Men are now earning less money for the same jobs. If you told the aliens that men have it good on planet earth, they'd look down at all of this male misery and wonder wtf you're talking about.
A nuanced and level-headed take on politics and current social problems? How dare you Josh?
Yeah sure read his post, your either:
A Good leftist with bad messaging
Or
A Radicalised right winger
I can't believe people nowadays would be reasonable like this! We need something to scream about into the void!
Career self-end really, on the internet, I mean seriously.
Well, that's why it'll never gain any traction... it's not outrageous.
Such a flagrant display of levelheadedness should be outlawed.
Ah yes, the good old _"consider yourself lucky, there are starving children in Africa."_
I am highly sure that quote is used to show how "better" the western world is compared to the rest.
@@happymate8943 people use it to justify ignoring someone else's problems. I heard it a lot from my parents growing up in the '80s.
The classic whataboutism.
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I'm aware of that. Just saying that can be used to compare who has it better.
@peterbabicki8252 Yep, rolled my eyes; men feeling disenfranchised, and stats do show this, is actually a BIG issue. Having said that, given that his politics is about conceding terrain in some areas to gain more terrain in other areas, he could be doing the same technique here with his own audience. "yeah I am with you guys, their problems aren't that big, but consider their perspective," boom he wins over his audience.
You're 100% correct about the reason for the behavior. You can't publicly say you don't care about someone as a person and then be surprised when they don't give you their vote. There are lots of other reasons as well but this is a big one.
Which is much less important than, globally, rightwingers destroying education, because educated people don't vote for the right.
They genuinely forgot how to play the game. You get votes by catering to people, not by guilt-tripping them
@doomguy4945 If people wont vote for them when the alternative is literally Hitler 2, then they're not the ones at fault
@@doomguy4945 Or at least put on a reasonable façade of caring about the concerns of people who can vote. Too many people are too far up their own ass, believing themselves to be the unquestioned default norm, and think everyone else just needs to shut up and fall in line.
When so many young men are experiencing this common issue, yeah, it's a world-affecting problem.
A problem with NO SOLUTIONS OR ANSWERS! The sooner everyone considers that fact, the better. What so many idiots everywhere, regardless of what they believe, endorse, or condemn, have had and continue to practice the habit of trapping themselves into thinking, is the expectation and demand to find solutions to everything. In reality, the expectation of finding a solution to everything is logically fallacious by default. And when faced with issues that can NOT be solved ever, not "in the next 20 years", not "in the next 60 years", EVER, humans recede into irrational thinking because we are biologically and genetically predisposed to seek easy comforts and delusions than challenge ourselves.
Yes and if inclusion is a big part of your agenda, excluding a big portion of people is hypocritical and not a clever thing to do for your party
@@Zuchiniii I still find it hilarious that the party of inclusion and understanding immediately blamed blacks, hispanics, and men overall for the election.
They aren't even trying to ask these voters *why* they decided to vote for the other party.
@@Zuchiniii its exclusionary by design
@@Zuchiniii They don't actually care about diversity -- look at how quickly they blamed minorities after they lost.
To be honest, I still disagree with the idea that young men's problems aren't relevant in the larger sense and only matter "to them". Think about the lower 90% of men, not the ones who were born upper class. If you're the CEO's son then sure, you're fine. But most white guys aren't. Hell, most of my white male friends growing up (poorer middle class) have it extremely rough with the job market and scholarships, and they're constantly told that they have privilege for being white guys that they never benefitted from (broken homes, for example). They get passed over for women or PoCs who had significantly easier/wealthier times growing up, because of the "systemic" privilege that my friends never felt. They get turned down for dates because they have no future, while simultaneously being told it's their fault for everything. I did well for myself, but I was very much the exception and got scholarships and job opportunities specifically because I was half-Mexican. If anything, my Hispanic heritage helped me far more.
This disenfranchisement with society will be a MASSIVE problem in 20 years if society does nothing to help young men, because men are checking out rapidly. Their issues and struggles are JUST as important as anyone else's. This should not be analogized to a child losing a toy, it should be treated for what it is: an excuse for people to justify hatred and bigotry of young men for historic crimes that they did not commit. It's a desire for "revenge".
The worst part is that those "crimes" never existed in the first place. All of this is done out of pure malice and a desire for more power at any cost.
The white privilege narrative is easily disproven by the fact that white students routinely lie about their ethnicities on college applications in order to access the special privileges and opportunities given to non-white students.
the fact that someone like josh instinctively dismisses these issues as well just goes to show how fucked it is.
we literally changed schools to be more welcoming to girls because girls had worse outcomes in education. now the same is true for men and not a single person cares.
turns out society IS sexist. against men.
What the chatter over me said. It all boils down to power moves. If hating a specific ethinicity will allow me to increase my power on the system, so be it.
@@lorecow88which crimes do you claim to not have existed?
i think people need to treat everyone with empathy by default even if you dont 'get' what theyre going through. people are not inherently bad and everyone has their struggles that you dont even know about, its silly to assume otherwise. treating people as if they are inherently bad is a surefire way to ensure that those people get preyed upon by actually evil people who know how to manipulate their hurt and turn them against others.
Who treats people like they're inherently bad?
I like how the default position for so many people is always "you need to temper your cruelty towards men/whites because the worst thing that could ever possibly happen is men/whites developing a defensive identity politics to counteract your cruelty".
Isn't the cruelty itself a bad thing? Shouldn't the cruelty be avoided because it's cruel and not just because it might result in long-term political or cultural losses? You're so immersed in the leftist empathy void that you can't even see it.
@@TheAxeaman a lot of people treat various groups as if being a part of that group = youre bad. eg some people treat women as evil bitches and then are shocked when those women are angry about that.
@@neocores I agree.
US schools are quite similar. They only teach memorization, not genuine learning. I thankfully had good teachers who tried to support actual learning and research. Other schools I've been to only really focus on memory. Especially systems like the SAT and AP system. The way you pass those is through memorization. I passed my Ap exams, and I couldn't tell you a thing I learned on them. Even my AP teachers said on day one "You are not here to learn, you are here to memorize the test and get some classes knocked off of your expensive schooling at university".
That's most of the world. Education was dumbed down to rote memorization of a list and those who cannot, do not want or are bad at it are basically a nail to be hammered in.
Not even memorization. The point is to shove you in buildings full of blacks to condition you to live in fear of them when you are a child. You get two choices in school: Kiss their ass and be accepted by them, or have some self-respect and be targeted for psychological abuse. Thankfully the government hasn't clued in on the value of martial arts training in breaking this brainwashing. No one can force their thoughts on you if you can defend yourself. Good thing blacks can't fight for shit, but a lot of times, kids don't understand why anything is happening to them. They get told not to be racist, and also to just let black people hit you and do nothing. They get told to ignore the evidence of their eyes, or else. Is it any wonder so many people are slaves to a "believe this or else" mentality? This is why I will never believe in hitting your children. It's how blacks "raise" children, and look how they turn into opportunistic rats targeting little old ladies and children. Screw that. Don't want people to hate you and your entire people? Don't abuse people. Don't put your hands on people. And certainly don't pull knives, try to stab people in the throat, fail, get cut open in the process, lie through your goddamn teeth to the courts just to spite people, and then cry racism. Because that is how you get people who hate you more than your most self-indulgent fantasy ever could. That is how you create genocidal hate, and I'm okay with that. Fuck around and find out. I'm ready for the Summer of Love 2.0. They will find the fuck out.
welcome to "no child left behind". where no child can fail, but you can only go as fast as the slowest person.
also for a short answer. Teachers Unions are to blame.
Hey man, not sure how old you are, but AP tests have been shifting over the last decade to have more of an emphasis on logical reasoning skills, and less on memorization. Source: I'm a high school teacher.
@@CeesaX not 100% sure on the other guy, but I caught the tail end of a very, very good semi-private k-12 school and nearly all my classes were ap, and the only memorization was needed for chemistry. CalcA, calc b, stat, music theory, physics, computer programming a/b were nearly zero memorization. Although as someone who read the textbooks before class and taught myself the subjects.... not sure how relevant my input is from about 20 years ago from the terrible education of Florida.
I remember seeing a news article which accused a celebrity of supporting something (war/russia/israel - I don't remember) cause they had not publicly condemned them yet.
It's like there's an ever evolving list of criteria to meet, and there's little hesitation in throwing very tolerate centrists and apolitical people under the bus once their list appears short.
Nah just checking if they support ru is enough. Quick search shows that Steven Seagal, Oliver Stone, Roger Waters and Glenn Jacobs (Kane) are waste of oxygen. Even if someone doesn't directly endorse рu tіn (like these guys did), you can look up their takes defending аssаd gassing Syrians, or cheerleading for other psychos like Maduro... Trust me, if they supported one it's usually the rest too.
The list haven't evolved since barrels with chemicals dropped on Ghouta more than a decade ago, it's real easy to actually notice wars happening instead of living in your bubble and pretend nothing ever happens and your biggest issue is who goes into which toilet & culture war BS. I don't care if someone is a "very tolerate centrist" if he literally supports my house getting bombed... It's just that simple.
Its virtually social black mail to try and guilt or indirectly threaten someone into supporting you or your beliefs. Because the implication is very clear, if you say anything but what we want you are the bad guy and people will spread that on the internet. It eliminates nuance and kills any constructive discussion that could be had on a politically complicated topic. Its such a shame.
There was a period where internet people were harassing celebrities for not openly denouncing Israeli because of their response to Hamas. These people stated that not openly denouncing meant you were supporting. Even the celebrities saying that they didn't really know anything on the matter was not a defense. They would just get yelled at. "What would you need to know to not denounce them!"
You might be talking about this Russian actress picked for a Marvel film, but honestly it goes for all celebrities. You pick a side and damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@blumiu2426 i mean it's ok to not be public about your opinion, but you should be aware of what going on. And with situation such as ukraine which is probably on of the most black and white wars on history you should in your little be aware of it and keep it in mind so if you have a chance of helping in any small way you do, that could be donating or simply telling your politicians to send more aid.
In in no way supporting the harassment of the russian actress btw just cause she's russian it dorsnt mean she has to publicly speak on it.
"i am 100% all for democracy, until i am in charge" is peak politics
Yep.
Democracy is bad, I was against it before the election. Divine right of kings was wrong, but a better and more accurate narrative than the concept people can aggregate their views into coherent "public policy."
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles." - Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
"..but people are retarted" cit.
@@Malygon That quote is an accurate summary of every communist and far-leftist, including Josh.
“As a center-leftist, I kind of dislike the way the hardcore-left is”
Immediately get an ad for Star Wars mobile game showing Darth Vader 😂
Crazy how constantly belittling and villainizing everyone you disagree with makes them not want to listen to you. Absolutely nuclear take.
It’s weird to retroactively look at how self-flagellating and ingratiating celebrities and media after 2010 became. I think that’s what kicked off the belittling and villainizing of anyone that spoke out or criticized any of the socio-political state at the time and it slowly became more and more radical.
We’ve essentially constructed a reason for people to be angry, then gave them cart-blanche to lash out against people as a group, as opposed to on an individual basis. And there were no repercussions if you spoke with the social narrative.
Idk man, it’s just sad to me that so many people would rather be outraged than invest in their own lives and happiness.
For the record, if you guys haven't seen the recent daily show the Dems or people that were supposed to be left have been advertising and becoming more right leaning.
They were for more strict border policies, anti-trans , and more in the side of Israel.
The thing about the parties is that people who registered in the party don't mean they're going to be conservative or progressive. Many minorities have had conservative beliefs for years .
You tend to start believing in weird things when you listen to weird people who would've thought
Yet people thought t would be best to vote for the narcissistic bully constantly spouting hateful and racist shit.
Except the part where he attaches it to the far left, which is a bad take. The far left has no power in most of the developed world, the people berating men are vastly more closer to centrists, who have some social left leaning ideas. But none of the economic left, which a far leftist have both socially and economically leftist ideals would realize the pain of of the lower classes, including young men.
As a kindergarten teacher it is heartbreaking to see children be so excited for school and how fast their intrinsic learn instinct gets distorted by the current system. For those who don’t know we all are born with a learning instinct or more scientifically exploration behaviour. In gaming terms you have probably heard from Josh it’s like intrinsic motivation. You know how babies can’t stop themselves from putting random stuff in their mouth or toddlers constantly asking “why?”. It’s their instinct telling them to engage and experience the world. And it is the ultimate building block for healthy and excited learning. But as soon as children are in school they are put in an environment that is stressful, forces them to sit still for long periods of time and essentially punishes them for wanting to engage with the world and its wonders on their terms. The worst offender in this regard is the grading system. It essentially sublimates intrinsic motivation with extrinsic reward. And it is terrible because it makes children cram for an exam so they don’t get a bad grade (if they have the energy to learn at all) to then forget it anyway because the next test is coming up. Through this they are ironically unlearning to learn stuff for the sake of learning. Like Josh said: the education system is not built to help people learn… it is built to create cheap workers. The children of this world deserve better. We all do…
(P.S. I have dyslexia so don’t be surprised about the lack of punctuation)
Okay, sorry, this is gonna be a bit of a rant, I can already tell, just skip it if you lack time or interest, but I feel like typing this out right now.
German academic secondary school - which is separate from vocational secondary school (the former is called Gymnasium, the latter Realschule - there used to be a lowest tier called Hauptschule which was merged with Realschule in almost all federal countries) - does teach how to do research and so on - it is even promoted (although not required) to write a "Facharbeit" (subject paper), which is like writing a term paper at university, in grade 12 of 13, which is counted into your year's grades. Does that mean that kids are essentially divided into different life paths after 4th or (in a few northern federal countries) 6th grade, based on how they did in primary school? And does it mean someone who went to Realschule literally cannot apply to university unless he or she changes schools to go to Gymnasium after 10th grade, and has to deal with a STEEP learning curve because their education has been geared towards being able to do qualified work (artisan jobs, machine work, and so on), usually spending several weeks to months in internships in companies? Yes. Yes it does. Here's the thing people usually REALLY don't like hearing about this: It works.
Extensive comparative studies have been done to countries where there is a unified school system as well as on "Gesamtschule", which is an alternative school concept you can choose to send kids to, but which not many pick. And the results are that kids who go to Gymnasium are far better prepared for university, as are kids who went to Realschule for immediately going into vocational training. And here's one people really, really, REA-HE-HEALLY don't want to accept, but which is ALWAYS shown in these studies: Crime rates for students at Gymnasium are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Not just because you're putting the less-crime-prone kids in one place. Compared to Gesamtschule and other countries' unified systems, having academically excelling children in a separate school makes them less criminal, better at academia and all-around more developed. I know, it's a bummer to hear, but that trope of smarter kids explaining stuff to less smart kids and themselves getting a boost out of it has its limits. Some students simply can't deal with academia, and putting them together with intelligent children pulls everyone down.
I went to Gymnasium. I did my Master of Education, i.e. I became a state-approved teacher. At Gymnasium, I learned three foreign languages, programming, and spent the last three years in school doing academic learning no a pre-university level, with three subjects I could pick (chemistry, English and history) singled out for intensive learning. Half of my classes in history and political/social studies were taught IN ENGLISH. Let's be honest: That's not the kind of school someone who can now barely manage to put stuff into a production machine right could manage. And do I wish it was different, that all kids could have the potential to do whatever subject they could wish? Sure. But unfortunately, a lot of kids simply can't. Some because their parents didn't give them a good start, some because their social environment is at fault, honestly some even simply because they can't manage, period, nothing anyone could've done about it. But that's no reason to pull down everyone with them in the name of a misguided sense of "making everyone equal". And on top, a lot of kids in Realschule that would've been in Realschule before the end of Hauptschule are way happier getting a solid vocational background. Really, the issue is with kids who previously would've gone to Hauptschule. Because those that are from that segment who weren't there because they simply COULDN'T deal with school learning, but because they are outright against learning? Those are a real problem. Because even in Realschule, they don't learn. After ten years of schooling, they have trouble wrapping their heads around simple machine work. They don't accept authority and aren't interested in actually doing work.
So yes, I stand behind the German system, however much its patent success might fly in the face of wanting everybody to be equal when they're not only not, but can't be in the first place. And is it perfect, are kids never sent to a school which doesn't fit them ever? Of course not. But such cases are much rarer than you might think, and not only do the parents have the last word (the primary school teachers only give recommendations as to which school a student should go to, although the Gymnasium schools individually decide who is admitted into their specific school, so getting into one might be difficult with bad grades), but if kids either noticeably excel in Realschule or just can't handle Gymnasium, they have the option of changing school at any point.
@@Kuchhh You are correct. English is not my native language and I was wondering myself for a second how to write it
Children are prevented from engaging the world on their terms because their terms are dangerous and non-constructive. They need guidance otherwise they will eat dangerous things, touch deadly things and fall prey to even deadlier things. School helps focus their attentions with things adults know will help them. Your inability to realize why tests are needed does not mean they are not effective, especially so with learning "for the sake of learning.". You have the gall to say all of that BS and then say learning in and of itself is a bad thing? That's monumentally stupid. Go back to school, stop eating crayons and pay attention.
@@DeReAntiqua I’m also German so I’m familiar with the system and I agree with you essentially completely. But I also think you might have misunderstood my intent a little. I don’t say by any stretch of the imagination that all children are born equal (from an potential intelligence standpoint of course) or even worse than we should stop schooling children. I’m was saying that we should work towards a world where the needs of children and the education system are brought into harmony. For example a first grade should start l little later in the day then it currently does because children at that age are simply not ready awake enough to really engage with schoolwork.
Education is a complex and multilayered topic that includes so many different things for economics, state funding, family dynamics, social issues and so much more.
I’m just sad seeing children being forced into a world that is not going to be kind to them because we adults don’t get our shit together. If that is unreasonable then I guess I’m just unreasonable to some.
Anyway I really enjoyed your input on the whole thing ☺️
@@DeReAntiqua In America, (at least where I live) prior to Common Core where everyone is taught in a way to try to give the worst students some sort of step up, classes from primary on were separated into 3 sections. Slow, medium and quick learners. They weren’t called that, but it wasn’t hard to figure it out, especially when I had to repeat the previous year’s math lessons and got put in a different group for that year on.
Years 9-12 had the option that for half of the day students could attend a vocational school (VoTech) that would teach things like masonry, culinary arts or childcare. Mostly studies that wouldn’t be something you’d go to a traditional university for. The other half of the day would be the required fundamentals of math, English (general literature and grammar), social studies (history, psychology, American government) and science. The alternative to VoTech was the standard 3-section classes where the top class track was called college prep. Supposedly, it was meant to prepare students for the methods of learning used in university by introducing research papers and giving the option of taking Advanced Preparation classes which you could take a test at the end of it and get college credit for the class. Unfortunately, much of what we were told was wrong. We didn’t have nearly as much homework as we were told we’d have and research papers had already transitioned from libraries and index card sources cited to entirely separate online research and sources.
In short, I admire the description of the German system and its commitment to allowing students to study and learn to the best of each individual’s ability (and to preparing them for life as an adult), not to the worst student’s ability as what seems to be the case in America today
Not only are they told that their problems aren't important many of them are told that they will grow up to be the cause of other peoples problems which instills a sense of despondency. I'm sure everyone knows how frustrating it is to be blamed for something you didn't do.
"grow up to be the cause of other people's problems"
And on top of that some are also told their opinions do not matter because of what their ancestors did AND they get blamed for that too. Make it make sense please....
@@BobBurnham-o6w What I mean by it is essentially if young people are being fed the idea the men are the cause of all these problems that means eventually that blame will be directed at you once your older. I see my yonger brother going through this as he recently turned 21 now hes being perceived as a man has all the baggage that comes with the publics current perception of men placed on him.
JSH is also saying their problems aren't important. He's saying they're wrong to think of them as problems.
@@sethkarma2072 That's true.
4:48 I would disagree with this actually. I don't think it's at all correct to say that in the grand scheme that the problems men face are not important. Initially and individually it may not be a big deal, but when the messaging has become so strong and unanimous that men recuse themselves en masse, chivalry dies, and society begins to erode, it is becoming quite a grand scheme issue. Birth rates can't keep falling forever, and society can't keep functioning if you don't have both men and women invested in keeping it going. Of course, there are a lot more things contributing to this decline than just men suffering, but I don't think I could ever say that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Young men and women ARE the grand scheme, or at least that's how it ought to be in my view. If we are failing them, then we are failing.
Ah yes but you see birth rates don't matter to leftists when you can just import millions of God knows who and ignore the consequences.
Sounds to me much less like a matter of how "extreme" left one is and more like a matter of being terminally online. This flippant dismissal of another person's problems, even if those problems aren't exactly world-shattering for anybody else, requires quite the disconnect from them as a human person, and that's much easier achieved when they're just a collection of tweets to you.
The most extreme leftists I know run food banks, community gardens, skillshares...they only go online to organize. The folks Josh is talking about are terminally online twitter folks. I do agree that the actual left has an outreach problem (a lot of folks who are terminally online could really use that help and those ideas in practice). Dismissing a person's humanity is the exact opposite of what leftists do. Going back to the food bank example, no one doing that is asking those people what their politics are. They are just providing for their needs as best they can because they are humans and deserve to live with dignity.
You 100% never experienced people with these same politics during the 70s, 80s, and 90s. They 100% will dismiss / dehumanize other peoples problems for political polemical righteousness and ideology. The fact you think this type of behavior only stems from "terminally online" says more about your life experiences with these types of politics more than anything else.
You grew up in an online world. And most people never ran into these politics in their normie lives pre-internet. They're old positions and takes. So old that seeing them now makes me vomit.
Anyone who was part of activist, punk and other similar scenes during those eras knows damn well these are old problems.
I've never experienced or even heard about situations like this. Could you explain how the far left doesn't care about people's problems?
@@BlackEcology I'm gonna ask the same question to you, could you explain how the far left doesn't care about people's problems? Like, what sort of problems are we talking about? Because it's completely the opposite of my experience but I guess that's the problem with anecdotal evidence.
The quote ”White privilidge” is one example of the far or extreme left dismissing peoples problems. Basically if you are white you have privilidges other ethnisities dont have and as a result problems you have are automatically lesser and less prevelant than someone of different ethnicity. Similar thing with ”male privilidge”.
Those would be too quick examples of it, but Im sure theres plenty more.
We will get back to the game
"Don't believe his lies"
"DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORE'S LIES."
It's been long enough that I have to say I understood that reference
Can't believe I actually understood this reference. I feel so old and wise somehow.
0:15 Joke's on you, Josh, I'm an avid H.P. Lovecraft fan. Screaming into the void is one of the main things I've got. And the absolute dearth of likes on my tweets proves that the void is indeed vast and uncaring. 😂
"Anyone who capable of getting themselves into a position of power should on no account be allowed to do the job", was a Douglas Adams quote, from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And rings true to this very day, haha.
It's really funny that your solution to these young men is to treat them like they're a toddler
"young men have no problems in their life"
That is some high-level, class A, deluxe bullshit, and it pisses me off whenever people say it
that is just objectively false, and anyone who genuinely believes that that has revealed themselves to be not worth listening to
there being people with far worse problems is true
but young men are NOT immune to having some VERY serious issues in their lives. hell, young men could be part of the people who you normally think of when you mention those "far worse issues."
in fact, there's a pretty serious issue with them being depressed, and bullshit takes like that do nothing but make it worse.
young men are just as capable of suffering from issues that DO matter in the grand scheme of things as everyone else
young men ARE capable of being victims of abuse (if anything, a young man who is an abuse victim trying to get to safety and get help is far, FAR harder than a young woman, because young men don't have nearly the same level of resources. hell, men in general struggle here)
they are capable of being homeless
they struggling to find jobs just as much as any other young adult
god, that shit pisses me off to no end
left or right isn't where the problems are. it's when you go extreme where problems start, and it doesn't matter if it's far right or alt left, it's just as bad either way
It has lots to do with humans evolved ingroup bias towards our females, neither gender feels any towards our males. A useful trait 450k years ago, when there were about 100k humans on the whole planet and every female was precious to the tirbe. Now there are billions of them and this is a huge thorn on the side of any kind of equality movement.
My mum abused me and my siblings but during the divorce my dad was forced to give up literally every asset he ever owned and completely restart financially just to retain equal custody. The legal system did not protect us from our abuser. Me and my brother are mentally broken. For life (my sister too). We function day to day, but we are barely sane. Barely. Because society doesn't want to accept that just because women suffer more (they do, unquestionably) DOES NOT mean that young men can't suffer.
I am 100% on the left politically and I've been facepalming hard for years now at how hellbent the left is on alienating people who also need their help.
@@wafflingmean4477 Look to my post above yours to understand why you believe, that women suffer more. I doubt there has been any actual research on the subject, so the statement is utterly unfounded.
'Extreme' is just an arbitrary category at this point. It means nothing and takes away from the fact that a majority of our problems are caused by those we consider 'moderate' whatever tf that means.
@@wafflingmean4477 "Unquestionably".....Women are exempt from any responsibility NOR accountabilty for anything they do. They're so obscenely insulated in society unlike men, the entire gov't machination throws itself into subsidizing women. Women have their way paved while men are told to "pull themselves up" and are seen as useless unless they are wildly successful. Just because the rebranded marxism that morphed into wahmenism has brainwashed you into believing their BS, doesn't make it truth
Pretty far left myself:
One core problem is that we tend to see the current view on all topics as laws and if you violate one of them, you're considered an outsider.
The right welcomes you if you just agree with them on some topics.
You have no problem with LGBTQ and most immigrants but have reservations on some others? Welcome in the pipeline, you will learn the rest.
I hold mostly far-left views too, but I agree with your observation that the left seems a lot more concerned with this sort of 'ideological purity' than other groups.
I'm in the UK, educated about 25 years ago, and I spent ages learning about the kings between 1066 and like 1700 but we totally skipped over any kind of foreign policy. Almost as if it was completely deliberate.
it is - modern foreign policy will have changed dramatically by the time you left school. One political party would be replaced by another and the world would have changed. The foreign policy of even the early 2000s is already obsolete and only interesting to historians.
Online discourse regarding anything tends to be reductive. This group mentality permeates through all of the discussions I come across. Nuance and expertise are sidelined for broad statements or overarching narratives. In the end, no political discourse solves anything. In fact, it seems like solutions are actively put down by presumed "facts" inferred from emotionally charged perspectives. I would claim, as a Turkish left-leaning person, I am a bit unaccustomed to the political realities of the USA for the citizens of it, yet I can easily draw parallels with the political discourse happening in Turkey. At some point they begin to blurr together. The differences in discourse can be staggering, but the core of the arguments tends to be formed in the same vein: Pointed emotions with no proper research, data, expertise or logic behind it. Tribes formed around those ideas dominate online spaces. To see any real discussion, you need to dig deep, and no person that has already made up their mind on the internet searching for validation is going to do that. In the end, Twitter is not the place to learn political thought. Directions for the places of learning were the best I was able to get from the internet. I still fear that without proper discourse with my peers, how can I tamper and improve my views? The go-to place for the political outlook is a rotten carcass constantly cannibalized by opportunistic flies to lay eggs and hatch maggots to perpetuate more of the same. Not only is this dangerous, it also hinders any blossoming thought that makes it way to it and polarizes it. A discussion violated and hijacked, endlessly bound to the internet. Any other purpose it once may have held is replaced with animosity.
I think part of it too is that brevity rules, yet political stuff is usually complex. A position often has pros and cons, and there's often a lot of middle ground between. But that takes a lot of words to get across. And people don't want to spend time reading lots of text.
It's why the NRA is so hardline in regards to gun control in the US. It is easy to get people to stand on one side or the other of "gun control is hitting what you're aiming at" vs "no guns", but it is much harder to come to a consensus when you ask people where to draw the line somewhere in the middle. And you see the same thing in other things as well. "With us or against us!" is an easy platform.
As a current teacher in the US (MA specifically, #1 in ed in the country), a lot of our practicum and professional development is focused on helping students develop that love of learning and helping them engage actively in the classroom. The biggest struggle we're facing right now is that a lot of *parents* don't buy into the value of education because that love of learning wasn't taught as much in the past, so for students who don't buy in right away, it's harder to get that support from home.
When I was in university I was told that I was sexist for only associating with guys ... In a computer science class... Zero women attended. And that working part time was unfair towards poor people who actually needed that job. It never occured to that person (more on her later) that I too require sustenance and family situation might not permit freeloading.
This was my first week at uni. There werent many situations like this but it stuck with me. Yes, she was white, from a rich family (poor kids dont drive new Mercedes), and owned a macbook with Che Guevara sticker.
I hope she got over whatever haunted her.
We have saying where I come from: "rich enough to be a socialist".
I think center and center-left political parties not addressing the needs of the people is more of a problem than a small percentage of loud leftists telling men they're bad. We shouldn't be catering to a specific demographic of people when our own politicians couldn't care less about _all_ of us, which their policies reflect. Fixing messaging this way is better than what consultants are suggesting, which is moving further right, but neither way is attacking the real problem.
Very true, actually reminds me of the Norm Macdonald 'Its the hypocrisy that's the worst part" joke.
Which is why you must ABANDON THEM! There's a good reason why you abandon cults. They prohibit progress and critical thinking by design.
The Democratic Party hasn't been interested in offering a popular candidate, or letting the american people choose nominees in any case. You know that Bernie was tremendously popular and then they pushed Hillary. They've been suppressing democracy in this way and suffering for it. In four years, they will not be able to lean on the campaign message of how bad Orange Man was during that four years. I think we'll finally see some fresh people show up from both parties, and I'm optimistic for that. We've had enough of the presidents that we deserve, we need a president that can inspire all of us to be better.
yes, for sure. heres how i view this area of thinking: identity politics is a right wing talking point. they use identity politics to divide the working class who they are waging class warfare against. the left needs to push back against the bigotry of their identity politics in order to protect vulnerable people but we cant forget that is not the actual war we need to be fighting, that is the distraction they are using to hide what is happening in the world of economics which is what actually matters.
in the world of economics there is no hard left power, in the usa there is centre right vs hard right economics and in the uk there is centre vs right. this is why the 'left' is losing elections, not because of a witch hunt on twitter, theyre losing it because the democrats and labour have been taken over by centre/centre right politicians who are not offering actual democractic socialism that works for the working and middle class.
I think the irony of the small percentage telling men they are bad is that they don't even understand the leftist theory.
Patriarchy isn't "men bad", it's the patriarchs that are bad. The average man is just a body to be broken in the wars and factories owned by the patriarchs, while being told that they could become a patriarch too if they work hard enough (they won't), and women have it even worse because they only exist to give birth to men to keep throwing bodies at the machine. This is the actual idea of patriarchy. It's always the people in power, not some original sin of being the wrong gender.
Disenfranchised young men is a much bigger issue then you give credit to, they aren't "being told they're being attacked", they are attacked constantly on all levels by media, laws, schooling, and culture. I appreciate you understanding it is a problem though and needs to be addressed, if not for their actual individual livelihood and well being but for the rest of societies and the futures those young men will help build. We left women behind for a long time but now we are leaving boys behind, we need both to succeed to build futures that are worth living in.
How are men under attack? Could you give some concrete examples?
The capitalist system doesn't benefit men, it benefits people who can be quiet and follow rules and some strong men. Other men gets left on the wayside.
brother, wtf are you on about. Every system you described is literally built, maintained and iterated on BY and FOR men. Look at the list of people who own the major media companies around the world... all men. Who designed the laws that most countries have today... men. You are actually a prime example of someone being TOLD that men are under attack, with that just being fundamentally untrue.
And the capitalists love that men are turning to the right. They love that the liberals aren't doing any politics for the working class.
yeah, that's utter nonsense. I'm sorry but it's crap
I dont personally like comparing peoples blights, I think it is a fundamentally flawed way to think. This fact can be seen when it comes to people who suffer from self-h**m or s**cide, to some things seem like ”its no big deal” untill that person is no longer there or something happens to them, then it suddenly turns out it was.
It would be better, to instead of placing people into comparison and saying ”ok you get to have support while all of you other people need to deal with it, its not so bad get over it”, it would be better to openly discuss those things and evaluate them as equals and try to help people with their problems and pressing issues as much as possible.
It's just amazing to me how the extreme left will shout to not be bigoted then proceed to label 75 million voters as Literally Hitler because a good chunk of them voted based on their personal problems potentially being fixed. Almost like those people are not at all progressive and just want someone to scream at to ignore their own problems.
'Shut up and sit down' may not be the best voter outreach strategy.
For the record, if you guys haven't seen the recent daily show the Dems or people that were supposed to be left have been advertising and becoming more right leaning.
They were for more strict border policies, anti-trans , and more in the side of Israel.
The thing about the parties is that people who registered in the party don't mean they're going to be conservative or progressive. Many minorities have had conservative beliefs for years .
That _would_ matter... if voting did.
But it IS one of the best board game review channels I know.
@@irving_a3445 my man
10:13 -11:03 I am crying.
This was the brick wall I ran into after middle school. I made it through high school, but when I entered college I found out (or rather, got to prove what I already suspected) that despite having fairly high qualifications, I had no actual base to build on and no real clue what I was doing. I collapsed hard and eventually fell out of school. I tried a few more times but once I had been violently thrown out of that hamster-wheel, I could not get back in, I ended up completely burned out.
I got lucky in the sense that I met some mental-health people who got me and what I ran into and were/are helping me find my own way through this. I've had to do a lot of my growth over again, or much later than could have been. That said, damage was done during a very important time in my development that I doubt will ever go fully away.
I have the additional fact that I am Autistic and have ADD (not ADHD), but I don't think that means the issues I faced are unique to me. Autistic people are sometimes compared to canaries in a coal-mine: there's a problem there that's affecting everyone, they are just the first to fall over.
Anyway, I could go on about this specific issue forever, but I just want to say how nice it was to hear it from someone "in the wild". From a teacher no less :)
the crazy is Josh situation Hayes Strife. Ye man.
-Egyptians
-Greeks and Romans
-Battle of Hastings 1066
-World War I
The education system literally skipped the best part of "Savages, Savages"
For the Queen and the Kingdom we're taking over the world
How can You even do that? That's the lion's share of British history. What abou Napoleon and Trafalgar? I thought the rise of The Royal Navy should be a point of great national pride. I am absolutely shocked.
In my American history education we spent maybe a week on WWI and like 2 months on WWII the teacher I had was great but he had to teach what the district put in place and it was terrible I love history and learned so much from TH-cam that literally put my schooling to shame
it's natural to gloss over certain parts. Education system aim to teach the history from their people's perspective, which is fair. Here in Poland we learned almost nothing of African or Asian history, which is a shame, yes but an understendable one in my opinion.
What I don't get is how You can skip over Brotish Empire in the UK. It's almost 500 years for crying out loud. Imagine if for America it was: first settlements, War of Independance, nothing, not even Civil War, and then WWII. It's madness.
Did anyone tell him yet, the Queen's been dead a bit, bud
@@lordciasteczkor6066 I think the reason for skipping the British Empire in schools is mainly due to the atrocities and horrors that were inflicted on the countries we colonised to keep the illusion that the British Empire was great when in actuality it was a terror on the people who we happened to encounter.
I think all it takes is one hard look on statistics regarding depression and suicide to see the genuine real problems young men face. Sure, we can always find more serious issues but you can say that about anything. Yet it seems hypocritical, to emphasize microaggressions and tone-police discourse, because that can essentially be handled the same way: by ignoring and stating that there are bigger problems. When there's this double standard, it is of no surprise young men feel that they are not wanted. Every conversation about them is with a heavy hand, perpetually telling them to reflect on the consequences of history, as if their existence had anything to do with that. I think a lot of the extreme left that have these positions are essentially morally justifying their intolerance and hatred towards men (because sometimes it genuinely is hatred) through mental gymnastics regarding ideology.
The unfortunate consequence: further radicalization of both groups.
Very well said. I agree with Josh's broader point here but saying that they still aren't issues in the grand scheme of things is still part of the problem. Men's issues matter just as much.
An ideology which ascribes collective guilt to certain groups while avoiding it for all others will only result in that group rightfully feeling as though they are being discriminated against and radicalise them. The incoherence and outright evil of progressive ideology has made this.
"Sure, we can always find more serious issues-"
This right here is the main problem. "More serious issues" is nonsense. It is a lie. A man who has never experienced real hardship or pain, and a man who has seen endless death and destruction, can both be miserable. At the end of the day, when they are pondering their lives, they will fall back on the same existential dread most suffer from. Their lives can feel equally terrifying and volatile. I've seen plenty of tragedy and hardship in my life, but when I think back to when I was a kid, things didn't feel much different. Life was just as scary, my problems felt just as real. Because at the end of the day, the idea of life and death and existence can be just as traumatizing as anything you'll suffer later in life.
For those more interested in Josh’s thoughts on schooling. I’d reccomend looking up Sir Ken Robinson. Author and education worker that did a lot of work to support education nurturing creativity and the passion to learn. Also in understanding how different kids learn.
He wrote a book called “The Element” and it’s quite good!
Props, Josh! I appreciate your perspective and I’m glad you took the time to share it!
Sincerely,
A US citizen that feels the same way about their own schooling system.
I may be misreading the video, but I don’t agree with your opinion regarding young men since I still think you’re missing the point. You’re approaching it from “you don’t have problems/that big of problems, but we should still humor you” which is more than a little patronizing. The problem here is that we feel the need to measure whose problems are bigger as if we can only fix and focus on one thing at a time. Who cares if men or women have it worse, we can empathize and help both. I work for a non-profit which works with special needs orphans in Eastern Europe, and having a comparative mindset will absolutely destroy you. No matter what problem I face, I look at any of these kids it doesn’t even begin to compare. Part of what I’ve been learning recently is that while triage is important, we don’t need to minimize anyone’s struggle in order to make another person’s bigger.
It's just how leftists are. Their interpretation of the world is detached from reality on a foundational level.
He immediately compares them to children throwing tantrums because he's an elitist snob
One of the common problems with politics is the concept that we have a finite amount of 'political capital' to act upon. On the one hand, it's not strictly true, because legislatures and governments are full of hundreds and thousands of people who can all work on a problem at once. On the other hand, we kind of make it true because one of the surest political strategies is to attack anything the other guys tries to change. The more things they try to do, the more things you can attack. So that leads to parties trying to triangulate, to try and appeal to the minimum number of voters to get a working majority.
We'll just have to see how things shake out now. The one thing I can be sure of is that anyone making predictions one way or the other, right now, is dead wrong.
@@Onii-chan899 That is what it sounded like he said for sure, but even if he did calling names only appeals to the people who already agree with you. When anyone (including myself) is insulted it just leads us to dig our feet in, which isn't productive or helpful for anyone.
@@Bustermachine You're absolutely right. I'd even go a step further, since I don't think young men's disenfranchisement is a political/legal issue, it's a social one. Young men by and large aren't oppressed by laws, so I'd argue that we don't really need the political capital for them. The problem is that, as a society, we've focused more on the tearing down harmful standards of masculinity than the building up of positive ones. The only people giving positive "This is what being a man looks like" advice are the far-right grifters, so a lot of young men are left either trying to follow them into the abyss or build their identity around opposing that (which leads to the fake "feminist ally" extreme leftist).
We conflate social and political change far too much. They are interdependent and related, but they aren't the same thing. You can make social changes outside of a legal framework, and that's what young men need.
"Men, you're being fooled by people who are pretending to be your friends , you should go with the side that explicitly tells you how much it hates you"
Yeah, you're not convincing anyone. Anyone who already agrees, already agrees, and you don't make a good case for the ones who disagree.
I'm a man on the left and noone is telling me how much they explicitly hate me for being a man.
If you feel like those people are referring to you when they say these things, maybe you should ask yourself why?
@@matt28391 You don't get around much. Misandry is institutional.
@@BloodwyrmWildheart "Misandry is institutional" so by whatever metric you're saying this you would also agree misogyny is institutional, correct? Because there is no real world circumstance where the first is true but not the second.
@@BloodwyrmWildheart Maybe read what I said and reflect on it instead of instantly asserting that I’m wrong?
@@kylegonewild Dehumanization is institutional.
Saying that men's issues are petty and childish in the grand scheme of things "like loosing a kid's toy" is only adding fuel to the fire, Josh.
Men's problems aren't about having smelly balls or being friendzoned more often than women.
Men's problems are facing life-shattering consequences over a mere suspicion of assault.
Men's problems are losing custody of your children, even when the mother is an abusive alcoholic. Because "moms have priority".
Men's problems are having an ex demand 20% of your income for a child you're not allowed to see-one you suspect may not even be yours, yet there’s no way to demand a paternity test-while she already receives more in cash assistance than your entire salary.
These are the problem the left is saying "doesn't matter".
I know it’s a live monologue, and you can’t always second-guess every word, but seriously, Josh-think twice before making comments like these. You’re not improving anything; you’re not changing the minds of those on the left-they’re already set in their views-and you’re only fueling anger on the right.
Nah bro you mistook what he meant. Those things are bad, but in the grand scheme of things most men aren't suffering of those things. Most men, specially young men, suffer from a complex of other issues, which are much less severe than what you mentioned. Josh specifically talks about boys and young men, and that demographic isn't dealing with marriage issues. If you look where most boys seek guidance on, it isn't the unjust child-guardianship laws, it's them being bullied/unsuccessful with women/etc. those aren't as serious like what you mentioned, but they still need to be acknowledged which is what Josh is talking about.
Spot on.
Womp womp
Oh? I haven't watched the video yet. Thanks for the heads-up. Nice to be reminded that Josh is a man who stands by his pre-approved principles.
@@BobBurnham-o6w Bro you are getting your opinions of a yt-comment without watching the video 😭you are not better
This video is a great example of why socialist/left-wing way of thinking eventually makes them lose the support of the majority in favor of the more populist candidates. This perception that problems of one group are more important than the other is a direct reflection of the socialist desire to equalize outcomes. The problem is that while in less developed countries a lot of people have relatively serious problems, in more developed countries these problems may affect a very small population. And in a democracy, telling the majority of your voters to care about someone else's problems while belittling their own issues is not a very rational strategy.
What made the Civil Rights movement with Dr. King so powerful was framing their demands for progress from the perspective of the worker.
Progressives need to find a similar approach for today.
18:40 I'm sorry, but the Pony Express was not the first postal service. Even in Europe the House of Thurn und Taxis came a cheeky 200 years before that.
I disagree with the individual young mans problems being insignificant in the Grand scheme of things. Because half the population are or were young Men. If you help individual young men, you are helping all the individual young men get to a better place. Thats half the population.
If every young man decides to focus on bettering their local community instead of the "Grand scheme of things". They would literally improve the grand world problems.
The "situation is crazy" situation is crazy.
dude the evil empire part is the best part, the bit with all the corleone vs montagues backstabing inbreed shit was cool too thou
Kudos to you for being able to articulate your stance. Stuff like free school meals and the safety net play a big factor, but we have to think beyond our own circumstances. It’s kinda made me afraid to speak out about my own political stance.
As a young white male gamer living in Egypt, working two jobs and trying not to lose a roof over my head...I'd say I have it pretty damn hard
Just say "I have it hard" and then tell us details. You're an individual not a title or just one of a group.
@@shotgunreaper He's making a point, you goofball.
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I haven't been called a goofball in ages lmao
Interesting how the group that claims all lived experience is valid are so quick to invalidate experiences that don't coincidence with what they deem appropriate. 🤔
Josh seems to be still of the opinion that the problem of young men on the grand scheme of things is minor. Its not. They are falling behind and are extremely effective in offing themselves. Also not just the far right is attractive to young men its the middle and right cause the left made young men their enemy.
Indeed, it is a recipe for ruined lives, demographic collapse, and large-scale political violence. It is minor only in the sense that some of them are not old enough to vote.
thats not what he was saying... hes saying that their individual problems, while minor on their own by comparison to certain problems other groups have, are "on the grand scheme of things" a major issue that the left ignores or actively demonizes
@tyeberiusmcintyre1879 They are not minor in the grand scale of things.
@@NevisYsbrydwhen compared to other, larger issues they are, though. Individual young men can have almost infinitely large issues but taken as a group they aren't being directly victimised by society. Nobody is threatening to take away their rights or target them with violence. Their issues are valid but so are everybody else's. I fact, I haven't seen a single person give an actual example of an issue that is specific to young men that isn't also an issue to everybody else. I would genuinely appreciate it if you (or anybody) could give an example of a problem that disproportionately impacts young men.
@Cortanakya Men pay the majority of taxes, funding social services predominantly used by women (who are, on average, net tax drains). Men account for the majority of workplace accidents, especially fatalities. Men are subject to the draft. Male insurance rates are higher and receive far less in preferential support such as affirmative action. Males are in some districts _explicitly assumed_ to be the perpetrator in domestic abuse cases even when they are in fact the abused or are the one making the call. Family courts overwhelmingly rule in favor of mothers over fathers. Men are more likely to be both perpetrators and subjects of battery and murder and more likely to be killed by police when not resisting arrest. Women graduate in academics at massively higher rates. As women largely date across and up socioeconomically and often congregate around a small pool of relatively successful/high status men, economic depression and housing shortages effectively takes men out of the dating market and reproduction at much higher rates than women. And this all the whole making them out to be scapegoat for social problems they had little agency, and in the case of young men, often no agency, in making.
The result of this is a depleted and dwindling workforce and collapsing infrastructure and desperate/hopeless young men in an increasingly stratified society, which is exactly (the Gini Coefficient) the best statistical predictor of violent criminality. It creates gangs, economic depression, and an angry underclass that easily be exploited for massive and violent political action as it often historically has been.
I hated going to school. I always felt like I wasn't learning anything. If the subject was interesting to me I'd do research afterwards at home and add that information in answers on tests.
I only remember 1 'teacher' who appreciated this. Needless to say I never got far in school as remembering stuff is boring and I suck at 'learning' that way.
That was my experience of Primary school, and then going to Secondary school was just non-stop bullying and building a strong base of trauma that would affect me for the next 20+ years. School was the worst time of my life
I've always been a classicle liberal which today has become a conserative, Really pro family vlaues and leaving other people alone. But schools right now the standard of education has really went down hil in england im 22 and have been though the ringer and had to self teach a lot of stuff. Like most of it. Im anti tax's pro gun. freedom of speech should be absolute unless you say you gonna hit people with your car. The issue is right now is no one is talking about the rampent govament corrution in the west and I belive these exstream lefty social issues are used by the state to distract people from that corrution. In the schools when we where like 6 we where taught some level of critcal thinking but i think thats gone recently.
I was a young guy once. I found my way through the world. Became a therapist. Best decision in my life so far! I would encourage guys who feels lost to go work on yourself. Learn something new. Develop a new skill. TUNE THE WORLD OUT and focus on you and those around you. Focus on being charitable to yourself and others with your time. Focus on having a positive impact multidirectionally: both toward yourself and others. Don't just focus only on yourself, or only on others. Balance the two. A job like mine has really been transformative in my life. Good luck, young guys! And everyone.
I'm a moderate conservative (Canadian) who used to be liberal and one of the major things that led me to this position is that I felt unwelcome and pushed away by other leftists I actually agreed with.
I was told many times that it's not my place to voice my opinions because I am a straight white man, even though I was agreeing with and supporting the views shared by others. I felt that I was being judged as an individual based on the actions of a group. Guilty by association. Inherently evil.
The same people who preached the importance of accepting others for who they are was ostricizing me based on my race, gander and sexuality.
I believed then and still believe now that the leftists I was connecting with were using the same actions, fueled by the same beliefs that were used to oppress people in the past. A sort of "shut up and know your place" mentality that I do not support.
If you believe that your views are the only morally defensible views, then anyone who disagrees with you must be amoral, before even hearing what they have to say. I do not believe this type of thinking is productive or healthy on both societal and individual levels.
When you speak to people in anger, when you talk down to them and treat them as lesser than yourself, its only natural that they would choose not to align with you, regardless of what you're actually saying
This is exactly my experience. They don't even realize you agree with them because they've already made presuppositions based on your gender and skin color. That's prejudice...
I'm sorry that it happened to you and @DanMan852 , I agree that any kind of prejudice is prejudice regardless of the person's race. But, can you be more specific? Who are we talking about, and where are they? I'm left leaning, and I very rarely see these kinds of comments, and the few times I saw it, it receives a lot of much-needed scrutiny and criticism. Which left space are you talking about? I'd like to know, because it is imperative that most members of my side aren't a racist themselves.
@CoalCollector I started shifting conservative around 2019 while I was studying music at college in Ontario. During that time, Trump was in office for his first term and whenever he was brought up, most people I talked to openly mocked him, called him stupid, etc. At some point, I realized that I only knew of Trump through talking with people who hated him and so one day, I asked them to explain in more detail what he had said and done that was so bad. They told me that if I didn't already know then I'm part of the problem, that it wasn't their job to educate me, that it's just like a white male to not see the issues directly in front of you [me] and that it was only my white privilege that allowed me to behave so ignorantly. Several people I considered good friends chose not to talk to me after that interaction. I reached out a few times to try and repair our relationship but they ghosted me. I didn't understand how asking what I thought was a simple question would be taken as an attack and I was bitter and resentful about it for a while. That's a big part of why I believe that it's important to treat well those you disagree with. It''s essentially the old "catch more flies with honey" saying.
This was between a small group of individuals with no significant ties to any political institutions and I should say that I do not aim to make any point outside of the scope of my personal experience. I recognize that liberals are not a monoloth, that they are individuals with their own individual ideas and that the actions of the few do not portray the beliefs of the many
@@darrenmills3943 Thank you for your time, and I appreciate the effort you put into this.
I'll admit, even though I rarely see these kinds of people, the few times I've seen them online have made me feel disappointed, angry, and sad at the same time. We can get very emotional because of how much people potentially lose if he wins, but there is not enough excuse in the world to justify letting emotions get the better of us.
In my opinion, there is a problem on the left, which is that we are reluctant to gatekeep toxic people and criticize people who share the same ideology as us. People call it toxic positivity, and rightly so. Because of this political atmosphere, the far left has become too loud and unchecked, which has unfortunately made them the face of the left. If we can gatekeep PDF files from joining the LGBTQ+ community, we can gatekeep misandrists, people who are racist towards white people, and, in your case, people who decide that everyone who isn't with them is against them.
@CoalCollector I agree wholeheartedly, you make strong points. You brought up gate keeping specifically which I feel is a complicated issue. I agree with your assertion that there are people on the left who, just as with any large group, exhibit toxic and hateful behavior and that something should be done to mitigate the influence of these individuals. My concern, which I invite your thoughts on, is that by actively gatekeeping those individuals, we might be putting them in the same position that they put others in and that we are ultimately aiming to stop.
I am personally unsure where the line is between calling out what we perceive to be legitimate bad behavior and essentially silencing those who have different perspectives than us
There isn't any such thing as "the grand scheme of things". If a problem matters to someone, it matters. Period.
I'll have you know my Grand Scheme of Things is coming together nicely, if it's no problem to you.
Incorrect, especially when said person/someone fails to address them properly. The fact is that NOTHING MATTERS, full stop. Everyone has issues. What's relevant is how they DEAL WITH THEM.
@DR3ADER1 Wrong.
@@mnmnrt Explain. Because Nihilism has proven this to be correct.
@@DR3ADER1 Nihilism is a philosophical position. It is not a proof, and has not provided any proof. Of anything.
i Mean ... Josh... telling young men, that "not having enough money to afford living is meaningless problem" does not feel like a trivial problem to me.
@@GhostAeonWolf and how is the right going to fix that?
It's very easy to sit on opinions such as his when you have enough money to be insulated from problems such as feeding yourself or your family.
@@DaruffyThey at least don't blame them for all the worlds problems like the left does
@Onii-chan899 what policy does the far right have that actually practically benefit young men?
@@Daruffy you're missing the point, the left doesn't even bother trying to appeal to young men and actively hates them
Yup, finished secondary in '03.
My history lessons covered the following:
- Predominately Industrial revolution
- Tiny bit of WW2
That was it.. I learnt more about mining, working conditions of factories in the 1800's, Rail industry, people who build bridge.
Only in my 20's did I go out and learn about WW2 via a 26 part.. Yes, 26 hour long episodes covering the whole of the WW2 saga from all perspectives, made by the BBC called 'The World at War'
All the way through I thought, 'this is better learning then anything I learnt in school..'
All we are taught in school is how to be a good factory worker and take commands, so when we go into the real world we're screwed as WE ARE NOT ALL GOING TO WORK IN FACTORIES!
One of my most ingrained memories coming up in the public school system was the frightening amount of times I was told "Act your age" the first time was in 6th grade. I was 12, I got too ingrained into a conversation with my friend in class. Various teachers did this and it ended up creating this bizarre pecking order where nobody actually knew what we were supposed to act like and we practically ranked each other over how mature we were.
Being growing hormonal children this naturally combined with our growing interest in sex so we all rushed forward into acting like late teenagers, as a result my later school life was filled with an incredibly unstable student body that was incredibly cruel, sexual, and emotionally immature where breakdowns were a common occurrence.
It never really clicked to me until much later that so many of my teachers thought the Children being Children were inconvenient, it's one of many reasons I have a bizarre intrinsic hate of school in general now.
honestly, I'm disappointed with how dismissive this is towards men's problems. I thought better of you than this.
The thing a lot of people (especially teachers tbh) seem to gloss over with the education issue is some kids genuinely don't give a fuck about learning. You could be the best teacher alive and they still wouldn't listen to you. Some people are just shits.
this is crazy
Good, I was hoping I wasn't clickbaited. But now I can be assured that this is, indeed, crazy.
School exists to teach 2 things mostly
1st be on Time
2nd Remember and repeat
those 2 points make about 90% of the education
only on 10% is stuff like beeing inovative or creative cause the Industy needs more workers that it need thinkers.
"communism isn't a dictatorship read a book"
Always one guy in chat who is trying to start something whenever his religion is even adjacently mentioned
Saying "your problems dont matter becasue problem xyz is more important" is in most of the cases basically just whataboutism. And a bad way to actually argue. Becasue if you rigorously applay that logic. Nothting really matters becasue any problems seems insignificant in comparison to the whole.
As to the Problems of young Men: Another political youtuber i listen to made some great points about that. The Real problen in villifying young men. Or men in general is the lack of a solution.
Saying: Youre the problem. Change. Doesnt solve anything. Especially if the connection is too vague. in example: Patriachy has made some bad things-> Patriachy is made up of men-> You are a man. So its your fault and you need to change.
When Tearing down what man are or supposed to be because you belive thats bad. You need to offer a different outlook or solution. As in answering the question: How i am supposed to be?
And when thats not done. It will in the end harm everyone. Including your own goal.
Men, your problems are real and they matter, both to you AND in the grand scheme of things. Heads up lads. You matter, you have much to contribute to the world, and you don't ever have to accept being society's whipping boy. Your life is more important than to be some sacrifice to right past wrongs. Walk uprightly, be proud of who you are, and strive for excellence in all your endeavors.
*Edit* [I'm an outspoken Leftist & am in no way promoting "Both Sides" arguments]
Josh said nothing incorrect. Inherently, he's got the right views, the only issue is the typical oversight of most "non-political" people:
Equating the loudest voices with "The Radical Left." These folks aren't "the Left," they're Reactionaries who happen to believe in *some* Leftist ideas. Reactionary thinking has no politics, but it's inherent to being uneducated & apathetic. It just so happens that being uneducated & apathetic is almost universally associated with being Right wing...but there are still some dumb Lefties, too.
There is a missing step in responsibility and education that gets jumped over. I felt this personally when I at 24 realized that I am only starting to mature at that point and that for me 18 was to early for me to become an adult. To start university, to start working, to become responsible for my own future. It was too sudden for me.
100% agree with you on the Education system part. It's basically the same here in Germany and it's absolutely horrifying. Even if we the students ask for Education on Politics and ask to be taught on finding good sources, cross referencing and why one should do all that, we are told that "political education hasn't been a thing here since the GDR".
In the grand scheme of things NO problem matters. The universe is so vast and we make up such a small part of it that we cant even write it out as a fraction. So if problems are to be judged on that scale, NO problem matters. Not even the worst possible problem that someone can come up with when dismissing the problems of other people. So maybe we should just agree not to compare problems like that?
You're 100% right. This is the comment I was looking for, and it should be common sense. Tragedy strikes both rich and poor alike. Even billionaires can suffer. The idea of "privilege" has turned people into morons.
Kind of insane how in Brazilian school on history we do touch on basically every section. Classical history, egyptians and mesopotamians, then early greeks, actual greeks, then the romans, then early middle ages then it goes into middle ages, fudalism, the franks, the holy roman empire, england etc etc. Then there might be a week or two touching on aztecs, mayans and inca, india and china. Then the modern age actually gets more detailed with the renassaince, the age of exploration and then that little thing of we living on an ex colony of the portuguese. Anyways we kinda see a general overview of most things world history after 1700 or so, we see the american history for a bit too, and of course another branch of history is enterily focused on brazillian history. Then there' french revolution, the peoples' spring, british empire, china and russia entering the world stage, age of independences across the colonies, then world wars then african independece and modern history is mostly just brazillian history. Modern world stuff is teached in Geography. Anyways not that of course our school system is actually better but thats a lot of other reasons and factors anyways.
first off, thanks for this insightful comment into br schooling. exposed me to something i knew nothing about, yet find extremely interesting learning about a different culture's education system. this sort of information is really hard to learn about without speaking the language
is this just an extremely affluent brazilian school you describe? otherwise i find it hard to rationalize this in depth education of history with the brazilian friends and randoms i have interacted with over the years in many, many different video games. i've been friends with many br going all the way back to diablo 2 pre lod expansion. my best friend 4-8th grade before he moved was br and he was definitely the type to have flourished in a school environment similar to what you describe, but of course his family had immigrated to oklahoma before he could have experienced almost all of the curriculum you released.
we had a similar curriculum to what you described in oklahoma, until it completely collapsed after ww2. beyond ww2 thru modern history all we essentially were taught was that the viet nam war happened, the cold war meant duck and cover, and the berlin wall came down. i only knew the korean war happened because my history teacher fought in it, though he taught us nothing about it's causes, how it was fought, what insanity led to all the theatrical posturing along the dmz, or why it will never officially end.
some day i will visit br, but until then i'm happy interacting with my br homies online. but i'm just super jealous of the curriculum you outlined. especially since oklahoma's curriculum has gotten substantial worse since i graduated, this year now requiring bibles in all public school classrooms.
@kingkarlito hi! So, yeah unfortunately Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world, and super unfortunately is that while we have good and free college education (need to pass exams ofc), the free education system for elementary and high school is very unfunded and insufficient. However, and because of this, private school is not like the ones in the US and UK, most of them are way more affordable. So different people from the same social class might actually have either gone private or public school, especially because there are some well kept and good public schools too (although in general yeah, people with less resources are much more likely to just go free public school), and even on the private schools there is a range of price and quality.
That said, the curriculum i described is indeed more or less the *intended* national curriculum for all schools to teach, and yes i did have a good, kind of expensive school (at least my last one, i changed schools quite often) but far, FAR from "elite" private ones whose monthly subscription can go to thousands and thousands of Reais per child. Anyways, those subjects i mentioned are teached on the 4 years of "Fundamental II" which i believe is like second elementary school(?). ages around 10 - 13 years old. The average private school (which again, is actually a bit more common here, not only something for the very rich) will have most of those subjects in the history discipline at least if the school is well, good. Then on high school (which is 3 years here) we review the important parts of those periods again, especially the more modern age, and again talking a lot about brazilian history (i think in high school feels like 60% of history classes are for brazil starting from 1500 ad.)
But yeah, in the end like i said there are many factors around the brazilian education system that doesnt make all of this that effective, and you do have to consider public schools are in general not as detailed and thorough unfortunately, but the curriculum itself, is packed with subjects, for history and geography as an example. Like we see a lot of geopolitics on the end of fundamental II and thru high school. Although they are trying to make terrible reforms to our public highschool system that would strip a lot of this knowledge, targeting especially the humanities...
Also that's cool that you have met some brazillians and are in contact with our culture , i hope what i said was interesting for you!
This is the best way to teach children about history. If you only teach them about their own history, they'll get an unbalanced view of the world. You see this happening all over the western world, especially when it comes to learning about topics such as slavery.
20 min later and i still have no idea what the hell is this about
british history lessons apparently
As someone who leans left, I agree with what you said, especially schools. The fact it suppose to teach us, socialize us, and instil "learning is fun", all I learned Is I'm the socially slow and the fall behind black sheep and learning is suffering and not worth living for.
Thankfully my life got saved by my last teacher who could tell something was wrong. But these damages still exist even after turning 23
Buying sweets for Halloween
kids knock
"P*ss off they're MINE"
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Who wrote this plan, the underwear Gnomes?
I never thought I'd hear a center left British man actually hit a nail on the head so squarely. Yeah, here in the US we also have a big problem of young men being disenfranchised, it's a big reason Trump has rallied a lot of support in young men. I won't say they're wrong for supporting Trump, your candidate is your candidate, and you'll flock to the person who says the things you like; but it was so much easier for people to accept him even back in 2016 when Hillary was just being dismissive of basically everyone who wasn't a minority group or woman. When you tell people their problems don't matter, they just clock out and you lose them. They'll go to anyone else. That ignorance and arrogance will come back to bite you hard when you suddenly want them to care about your problems. This flows right downhill to all of the BLM and other social strife that happened around that time. Why would young men care about anything else that's happening when they just get told to shut up?
Yea its true about Schools, I did a lot more learning since leaving School and enjoyed it a lot more. Don't get me wrong, certain teachers did a really good job and made the subject interesting and easier to learn than others, its really not easy to do that in my experience. Think I have had 2-3 teachers who were at that level. But yea generally speaking Schools are pretty poor.
The number of people around here who jsut vote "How my dad is" is too damn high. They don't know how to parse info, think for themselves and figure out if the policy will affect them or not. They don't even know how to look for it most of the time.
I've played Broken Sword 20 years ago and the fact that I recognized this song on the background just blew my mind.
Shifting the focus slightly - it’s also about how people model receiving feedback. If even something couched in lukewarm terms is perceived as an attack on identity, then it is quite likely that the people offering no critique at all will be the most successful at reaching a particular audience.
There are plenty of people who work everyday to try to model empathy, but in the attention economy, these voices are too easily overshadowed by a false choice between perceptions of hostility on one side and permissiveness on the other :(
Visa gave up on the titles. OMEGALUL
Also, there was a fantastic image that goes by the name of "Everyone I dislike is Hitler: A kids book to how to have political discussions online", I think this phrase alone give a brief description of twitter at it finest.
On the other side of the same coin, not every comparison to Hitler should be dismissed out-of-hand. It happens pretty often where someone is basically quoting Mein Kampf word for word and some naive centrist type goes "oh the left will call ANYONE a fascist!"
As always, black and white thinking is just never useful.
The pretense that “others have it worse than young men” is rather fucked up if you ask me. And the women pretending while all the statistics are in their favor to be the primary “victim” of society is insidious
It's fucked up because it's not true. We've been conditioned to think that men have it easy, but the reality is that almost every bad thing that can happen to a person happens mostly to men. The biggest outliers are sexual assault and domestic abuse, but even these crimes happen very often to men as well. Suicide? Homelessness? Drug overdose? War death? Murder? Imprisonment? Men are like 75-95% of the victims. No rational person would look at the big picture and say "gee, men sure do have it the best".
@@wholetyouinhere That's all true. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. We shouldn't trivialize the hardships either gender has to face, and we should be fighting to remedy both the best we can. I've found that anyone trying to divide you into groups is probably not on your side, and the reason is usually money.
@@ChronicConundrumThat's the thing. It cannot be simplified to "one gender has it worse" the issue is too complex and it doesn't have an easy solution. Empathy and understanding the other side's can help, dividing and shouting "WE HAVE IT WORSE" will not.
@@wholetyouinhere"Gee, sure men do have it the best" happens because lunatics look at the top 1% of luxury living or historical power and apply it to everyone with that appearance
@@ChronicConundrum That "Oh it affects everyone" line only comes up when something disproportionately hurts men. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a "We must stop violence against women and girls!" poster and nobody in the mainstream takes offense to it. And the fucked up part is women aren't even the majority of victims of violence.
as a non-western hearing " lucky enough to be raised by 2 parents " is the saddest thing i've heard in awhile.
Isn't that a world-wide problem though ? Or am I just misunderstanding your comment ?
@@JeyKalda Nah not a world wide problem , I dont know anyone with step parents or raised by 1 parent all my life, rare to see something like that here.
@@JeyKalda In most of the world families are a lot tighter together and divorces aren't really a thing. A side effect of allowing divorce easily is that people would rather end a relationship than work through the problems.
Missed you, buddy. Random 20 minute Josh tangents are what feed my soul.
Hearing this made me realize the significance of history in different contries.
Iirc in Germany they teach National socialist Germany from elementary to high school in various aspects (with some other topics like WW1 and its DLCs) so much so that many students actually get sick of it after 12 years of school, lol.
Can't confirm that though but it makes me appreciate how Germany actually cares to teach their mistakes from the past and educate their students.
Whereas you have countries like the US, Japan and apparently also to some parts of the UK like we heard in this video, who simply glance over the issues of their countries' not-so-glamurous past, their atrocities and the lessons that should be learned.
It's either "nah we were the good guys" or things get silently swept under the rug and not mentioned at all.
I think Germans overdo it to be honest. Thing is Nazism was an exceptional moment in their history that only lasted for 12 years. There's more to Germany and German history than that moment in time. Plus, it's not even effective anymore, considering the popularity of groups like AfD.
*National Socialist Germany
@@lorecow88 Corrected, thx for pointing that out
Get off your high horse. Current US history is a bash fest reminding you hundreds of times about how horrible the US is. the "nah we're the good guys" hasn't been a thing since communists completed the infiltration in the early 2000s. And no ya'll are not good. You've inserted so much self hatred into your own population that you have to deal with the AFD now or whatever they're called.
Constantly self flagellating doesn't do any good either though I know plenty of Germans who are profoundly uneducated on what they word "fascism" actually means because they've been indoctrinated into thinking it means anyone remotely right wing.
In the US, they go over our past sins in agonizing detail. That's the majority of history class.
This is a terrible apology video.
When you scream into the void, the void tells you that you're wrong and that you should stop talking, because you suck, and you don't deserve love. The void wonders why you haven't sudoku'd yourself yet. The void thinks you're selfish for waiting so long. The void continues screaming long after you go silent.
I appreciate all the points Josh makes here. I also used to be center=left (American spectrum). Then the spectrum went expanded so far in the leftward direction that I found myself center, and then center right. Now I'm disappointed in and distrustful of the left as a whole.
His comments on how young men in the west are spot on. They have been vilified. The left has told them for years that they are inherently bad people. So of course they turn to other voices in the discourse. Everyone wants to escape their bully.
I did war of the roses in school. But I was in yorkshire, so maybe that was why.
I remember playing the war of the roses yu-gi-oh game but I'm not sure that counts as a formal education.
I think Josh was being unfair to what is covered in History. My school covered a lot more. A rolling chronology from 1066 to the cold war over the span of three years of education( year 7 -9). It is true that what was covered was mostly homebound though(So no colonialism). Didn't really learn of things that happened outside the country until 20th century history.
1066, War of the Roses, and WW1-2 are the core-standard of English history education, don't think anyone didn't learn about those 3 at least.