Although this is a day or two late as I make this, posting time stamps for everyone's convenience and assuming Lio is unable to make chapters (feel free to pin this, Lio). 0:04 - Ultimatum to Chaos 2:25 - Preamble 4:33 - Call 1: Lily and JAR 1:32:18 - Call 2: Chaos doesn't want to Call 1:51:04 - Call 3: Fluffy with the JAR Allegations 2:29:49 - Call 4: Fluffy Confronted Part 1 3:50:22 - Call 5: Fluffy Confronted Part 2
@@Lio_Convoy Good. Because no one and I mean NO ONE DESERVES FAKE ALLEGATIONS ON SOMETHING REALLY BAD just because of either them being biased or because they just wanna make an innocent man look bad for exposing their "idol."
"Do you know JAR's real name?" *"Oh yeah, we have all his information."* Well, that's not obsessive and/or creepy at all. Please detect my sarcasm. PS, I noticed Fluffy and Chaos didn't thank Opal for their compassion or offering their ear (and kept cutting them off). So, Thank You for Being Kind, Opal.
Yeah wasn't cool one bit. Not appreciative for something that they claimed to have gone through. If I had someone genuinely trying to give me help and comfort dealing with some childhood traumas I have, I would be very appreciative. Lord knows I need the help. I would kill to have someone give me help, support, and clarity of what I am dealing/suffering with regarding my childhood traumas. It was super weird they were not grateful or seemed really interested in the help or care. Which is sad. Great job Opal for being so caring.☺️🩷🩷
Ponder and Lio are the most terrifying combo there could be. If they are in the same room and scolding you, the only way you're choosing life is by sitting the fuck down and listening.
I found it more entertaining how there was a excuse for why every conceivable piece of evidence was deleted, destroyed or otherwise lost. This person lost more information than the US government covers up.
There has always been this joke that Ponder/Brooke is the mummy dealing with unruley kids causing internet drama. We found the dad of the situation. B and Lio are terrifying together.
The weird thing is... Brooke's bi, Leo's straight (rather certain). They literally _could_ be compatible with each other. They'd have glorious children, together, and despite the toughness between them, you know they'd rear a glorious child.
“If it’s so fucking dumb, go to fucking bed” is my favorite quote from Fluffy because it shows that she REALLY doesn’t care about what happens to Jar, the false accusations, and the consequences of her actions!
Yup. Right next to this spectacular quote: Lio: "The fantasy's up! There are no dragons! No JAR dragons to slay. Only you." Fluffy: "Well, if you fucking want me dead so bad, then kill me." [Leaves call] Like... They're a fucking adult. I have trouble taking some jokes like jokes since I'm also Autistic, but I was even able to tell that this was only meant to be a metaphor. Lio was making note that the guilty party wasn't JAR. Fluffy's response was a HUGE overreaction... ALL OF THIS... Was an overreaction. This was a *DeviantART drama*, for fucks sakes...
@@jackloxtile2764 ngl, the second hand embarrassment of Fluffy’s response to a clear cut metaphor made me pause the video and hold my head in my hands. God the way my face heated up from second hand embarrassment was way to fucking real.
1:32:34 Opal being the sweetest, most compassionate person by selflessly extending a shoulder to cry on to people they had just met, and not even receiving a THANK YOU. Instead, being met with more whining about how “sad” they are and aww- how hArD iTs bEeN. Chaos and Fluffy frankly disgust me.
"Ah, yes, I shall get into a call with 2 people known for taking absolutely no crap and having phenomenal BS detectors, and try to BS my way out of and around my bad behaviour! This is an excellent idea!" If, for any reason, I was _ever_ being faced down by Ponder *and* Lio, I'm sitting down, shutting up, opening my damn ears, and speaking when spoken to. I choose life, thank you very much
God the thought of being sat in a room with those two and I’m in trouble- brings me back to family meetings where mom and dad use that firm verbal scolding then they proceed to tell me they aren’t mad, just disappointed. 😅😂
REAL like and maybe im wrong abt this bc im 9 months late and dont know laka from anything else, but i still dont totally trust them but at the VERY LEAST they owned up and apologized and didnt take them an entire call to turn on screenshare. like what the fuck was that totally real child saga, and what the hell was that last call where chaos is being an absolute baby and refusing to get in the call bc the scawy man is mwad at hew qwq EXPLODE!!!
When people like lio and Ponder are lurking around the internet, why do people still think they can play these games? Lio’s like the strict dad of the internet that expects you to behave and tears you a new one when you don’t. Ponder’s like a funny, cool, older sister who’s smart and has all the tea and receipts to back it up while calling you a dumbass for acting stupid and I’m all for it. I really need more collabs desperately!
"Have you tried Gundam building? It's actually very fun." "Horticulture is fun, you can play with dead things!" "You worry me." Please dont let this be the only time you team up with Ponder on the channel, your interactions are the light in this dark video.
Jesus Christ, if you have ponder AND lio in the same room together regarding something, you dun fucked up, /big time/ cause holy shit that is a TERRFYING combo.
@@CleverFoxStudios That's when you see the cut screen of a mass of eldritch tentacles help up the giant lion robot and you just instinctively yell "Oh Fuck nooo."
My dad lost one of his best friends when I was 8 . 2 decades ago. He counts the days starting from my birthday to his on how long the man was alive in 4 mounths before that day he was killed by a truck. People don't forget when someone dies infront them. People dont forgot the names of people they care about when they stuf like. Smh.
Hey, I know this is off topic but I just wanted to wish your dad well. I lost someone recently myself and grief is hard. Your sentiment is very true and I hope you’re both doing okay, it’s hard on the loved ones of those grieving as well, so please take care yourself .
Yeah I have an friendly acquaintance who died in a terror attack 11 years ago, and I know exactly how old he would be today. And we only hung out every summer at summer camp. You don’t forget. Ever.
I lost two classmates back in high school; one from a seizure in their sleep and the other was murdered in their home by a robber. I still remember their names though not their last names because I never learned them but still... shameful.
My mom had a lifelong friend who took her own life. I still remember the day it happened, I was about 3 years old and saw my mom crying up the stairs while my dad comforted her. To this day she still goes to the beach to sprinkle flower petals in the ocean as a way to remember her. I wish you’re dad well, and you too
Calling these people 'LARPing' is an insult to actual LARPers. At least we try and make our stuff make sense and be believable within the fantasy. The drama's on the right level for LARPers though.
@@SparDanger Sure thing. It stands for Live Action Roleplaying. If you've ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons, it's kinda like a cross between that an improv theater. Basically a bunch of people get together, dress up in costumes and pretend to be fantasy characters on the weekends. No real weapons, obviously. We either use prop weapons made of the same thing yoga mats are made of, or play rock paper sciscors. But it's just a bunch of nerdy adults who probably did theater in high school going out to a campsite or renting out a private conference room and playing make-believe. Yes we know how silly it sounds. We also know how silly it looks. It's a hobby and for a lot of people an excuse to get outside and maybe even be more physically active than normal life.
You know how some people who curse a lot sound authentic? Fluffy doesn’t. She sounds very forced, and it’s super noticeable. To the point that it’s annoying.
@@poly-phonica Yeah. Part of it is that some people you hear curse and you just believe that that’s their natural speech. Something about how Fluffy sounds like she is deliberately being to edgy. Like she either thinks adding so many curse words make her cool, or to be even more uncharitable that she thinks the curse words help her sound more truthful so she uses them when she wants to be believed. Idk it’s odd. Maybe it’s just kinda an image thing. Trying to play the part of Chaos’ champion or something, but it sounds off. It just doesn’t sound natural coming from her. Which I feel weird saying as I probably curse more than I should myself. I hope I don’t sound like that. Then I really have to get my habit under control.
@@MissCaraMint You’re right. It could mean a lot of things, since I don’t know this person from Adam, but to me it sounded like she’s trying to put on an affect of “I’m telling the truth, and I’m just flustered that you don’t trust me! I hate I’m being interrogated!” to seem more confident in her convictions.
LITERALLY that and also the "i fucking got this from fucking ___" comments and those like it, where shes deliberately trying desperately to pawn off blame onto other ppl, she sounds like. pissed off but in a flustered way trying to pass it off as if shes pissed that people duped her into believing her shitty evidence was fact. as if she had any right to be mad when shes the one who deliberately spread it.
My respect for ponder is even higher cause they defended JAR and didn’t like him. Major props for them looking past their bias and actually looking for the truth with you Lio. Edit: after watching the Junkie vid with Kamen, It raises a question, was this the result of the JAR research you were doing? It seems so. And it’s great you as well Lio overcame your bias. I respect you 20 fold now, both of you.
Naw, ponder was sent allegations prior to this and called them bunk. When fluffy posted again, she streamed ripping them apart, and Lio was in the twitch. Fluffy was added from there.
It's called being good people. The accusers accused JAR of some serious crap, something both Lio and B does NOT like nor want. Lio has expressed that he would help someone who has tried to harm him if they become victims of grooming(Coyote drama). He bashed Coyote due to him not helping a victim because they weren't nice to him and he half-assed helping anyway because he was too scared to file a police report instead sending an anonymous tip. And B has expressed that she doesn't like the types of environments where serious false allegations are spread without any evidence and was/is actively trying to stop it. I hate that people are so deficient of common sense or courtesy, but am so glad that people like Lio and Ponder exist.
It’s weird to think I used to watch these deviantart ranters when I was 11/12 and now I’m 17, going on 18, about to go to college and I’m somehow more mature than these fully grown adults 💀
Hearing Laka when they realized they fucked up, not gonna lie I felt bad for them. I understand and recognized that they shouldn't have really been involved in the first place, but thinking that they didn't do something only to have the realization that they accidentally sent Jar's dox.
4:25:36- 4:25:55 JESUS FUCKING H Fluffy should consider herself goddamn blessed by mercy that Ponder was not in that call to hear that shit. She would've tore into her with disrespect after all the bullshit that woman had to deal with in the spoctor drama.
@@theblackcatgirl7013 oh? I did say including this one but. 2018: Spoctor Drama, Pentagrin and Stories tried to frame a kid. Slazo Situation, Slazo's ex also tried to frame him for some awful things but he defended himself. Someone took Leo Convoy to court over "harassment" charges and they are court ordered to not talk to or about each other. Possably more but im not bothered to seek out past BS
@@basicallyghostie7362 oh I know about the Leo Convoy court thing. I think it was Buttons. I'm surprised it's all instances I knew of but didn't really think that far ahead. So thank you for all this! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Fluffy wants to act like a tough girl to the people SHE ASKED TO LOOK INTO. I think she (or Chaos or both) just want JAR to be embaresses, yelled at, and possibly arrested for internet drama-and are embarrassed when they are the ones on the hot seat.
Things we have learned from this collection of calls: 1.) Sometimes people are pathetic enough that they hold grudges over Deviantart drama for literal years, to the point where they want to ruin someone's life. 2.) If Fluffy were to have a swear jar, there'd be enough money in it to buy the Eiffel tower. Additionally, if you were to take a shot every time Fluffy swore, you'd probably die. 3.) Fluffy will apparently believe any accusations about someone they don't like, even if the "evidence" is very clearly fake. They should not ever try to get involved in serious situations if this is the case. 4.) Chaos is an adult, yet seems to run away from her problems like a scared child. 5.) Chaos cares so much about this friend of hers that allegedly killed themselves, but apparently doesn't care enough about them to remember their name. I understand having bad memory, but even those with bad memory will tend to remember the names of people who played an important role in their life, good or bad. If you don't remember someone's name, that means they weren't important enough to you. That's if this friend of hers even existed in the first place, which I'm willing to bet they didn't. 6.) If "Raito" is a real person, he is either impersonating a cop very badly, or is SO BAD at being a police officer that it's actually super embarrassing.
Yeah thiis is so dumb, like i have a friend i held dear to me who died in a massive twister in little rock i think the state was called. Dude was name Jeff hunter miss that dude everyday. IF i can remember his name and Chaos cant remember her friends name its bs
@@chikenmcnuggets4899 Laka is short for LakaMokoLaka, they're a TH-camr on the platform as well and they were helping JAR at one point. Their part of the call is 3:30:28
The SILENCE from Fluffy in the second call is DEAFENING and speaks a million words. I feel like everything Lio said there made way too much sense and Fluffy wasn’t sure how to respond in a way that wouldn’t look bad on her or Chaos.
I know this is two months old, but when Fluffy went “I did not know that.” When you told her that JAR has dyslexia and types a certain way, that felt a little…idk. It kinda gave vibes of “I done messed up”. But I could be reading into it too much, so take this with a grain of salt.
Fluffy has a lot of fucking nerve to be biting people's heads off and being disrespectful when she was literally in the wrong and perpetuating the bullshit. If I was in Fluffy's situation (you wouldn't catch me dead in Fluffy's situation because I don't involve myself in bullshit, especially without proper evidence), I would've bitten my tongue and listened instead of doubling down and fighting back. That being said, I actually have fear and respect for people who have more authority than me, which is what Fluffy seems to lack in this case
I agree, and I find it absolutely hilarious how they tried lashing out and acting big and bad and then whine, deflecte and try playing the victim when none of them are buying it. Lio, Peaches and Ponder were right, Fluffy didn't get dragged into this, they inserted themselves trying to play detective.
@@pikachu0Z something I don't think I will ever get over is Fluffy taking Lio's metaphor of slaying dragons as a literal death threat. she is not the victim but she spends the entire confrontation acting like she is and that pisses me off
@@Pink-Computer Yeah and she was expecting to be taken seriously after all that and then make a childish remark before leaving the call, and on top of all that she talking for Chaos because " Lio man scary " like really?!, she does this to Jar for years and doesn't have the guts to own it, that just sad. Also I'm also Autistic and for Fluffy to take Lio's metaphor seriously is downright embarrassing.
I'm just going to put my two cents here: Never and I mean never use being on the spectrum or "neurodivergent" as a crutch to try and explain away your BS! And for Pete's sake the "You need to control your fans" argument is gonna make me burst a blood vessel in my gray matter! What JAR's fans do is not a reflection on him! He is not guilty of murder if one of his fans deletes some one from existence! It... It makes me very angry that it is used so flippantly as an excuse for someone's poor behavior!!
And before anyone asks: I have PDD/NOS. This stands for pervasive developmental disorder/ not obviously specified. It is folded into the spectrum of Autism. It really grinds my gears that a lot of people are just leaning on disabilities as an excuse for poor behavior! Sure I don't have any say over what others do... But for the love of flying potato salad can we please stop with the excuses!!? If I acted the same way Fluff and Chaos did I think I'd die of cringe and shame!!
as someone with aspergers, i think the issues with lily and the emails could be explained with delusions, especially if they're unmedicated (i've had insane delusions as well, especially before medication). but some goofy delusions as a teenager does NOT excuse what's going on now, as people in their mid 20s! accusing JAR of causing someone's suicide is absolutely inane and cruel. and even with the stuff being possibly explained by mental illness, you still have to take accountability??? jeez louise....
I knew 2 people who used their autism as an excuse for literally manipulating me and another ex-friend of mine, as well as trying to guilt trip us with it. Yes I've cut them both out of my life 3 years ago.
Yes it seriously sucks because we spend all of this time trying to prove against hate organizations that autism doesn't cause cruelness, evilness, or any sort of bad behavior, and then these people put the entire community under the bus, implying that their autism made them do awful things instead of taking responsibility.
This is really pathetic that is how some folks wanna handle things, instead of talking things out, let's attempt to ruin someone, and then drag your feet and play games when called out. JAR's no saint (and really who is) but this is beyond ridiculous and he didn't deserve this.
I’ve been on the internet long enough to know people will do the craziest shit to avoid “losing” a simple drama or being embarrassed by their past fuck ups.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Honestly the only things I can think of is Jar jumping the gun a bit and getting some facts wrong, so I fail to understand why people wanna go after him.
I think the most depressing thing about this is that, regarding Fluffy being a CSA survivor and "seeing red," as they put it, that is something that I've seen happen. I've had so many friends who've went through similar traumas, and, even with inconsistencies in a story, will listen to people who they later found out lied about being assaulted, just to hurt somebody. I'm honestly just disappointed at this point that people would be cruel enough to actual victims just to hurt somebody.
yeeaah that puts a rougher spin on this :( I fell for the goldenphoenixgirl nonsense back in the day, she definitely took advantage of a lot of peoples' trauma. Wonder if whatsherface used them as a go-between/shield to stay anon. :/
I grew out of that real quick, and I'm also an autistic victim. Tbh these days I doubt the victim first, because real victims go to the police. Not TH-cam or Twitter. If they got evidence, then alright.
@@toolatetothestory ehhh there's plenty cases where people had their case badly mishandled by the police in a way that compounded trauma, want to talk about it/warn others but not the stress of a full-on investigation. Public dialogue allows others to weigh in with 'shit me too' and gets the ball rolling. Whisper networks are valuable in that regard, the problem is occasionally you'll get an abuser that manipulates that space and trust (goldenphoenixgirl) or some form of clusterB hell where "this did not happen even if the person believes it does"(goldenphoenixgirl again, she claimed medically impossible abuse or that past partners were abusive only for her last boyfriend to come out and say 'yeah this person was hella abusive' to the tune of her accidentally uploading a video of her being abusive). Am also autistic and a victim, there's been cases where I did internet 'hey yeah this guy is a creep' over irl reporting because of picking and choosing my battles for my own sanity, because by the time I processed "hang on this shit is fucked" it was too late and chatlogs were long gone etc. Some cases the people involved were in entirely different countries or it was fucked up and heinous but not to the point of being illegal. tl;dr its complicated, most cases of 'hey yeah dude is a creep' are real but you get fringe cases like ghostie or whatever her name is that tank it for the rest of us.
Also getting really annoyed at saying that any "diagnoses", if even true, and perpetuated by a colonial system, is responsible for believing in spiritual things and those timelines can exist by you creating them and parallel, to your enviroment and can also be accessed by imagination and can be a safe place, if communicating with them in your imagination, and by your side and if also in your #awareness of your surroundings and if safe?
This is jaw dropping. Treating someone’s real life like a roleplay session is a level of callous I don’t know how you could justify in your own mind. There’s no internet drama or friendship falling out that could warrant this level of vengeance. My heart goes out to JAR. He seems like a well-meaning guy. I’m sorry that the others in the conversation had to deal with this as well.
How did no one notice Fluffy in a blatant lie at the beginning. She said an obituary site used his nickname. Why would they do that? Why not use their government name?
Yea, obituaries would only mention a nickname, they’d still use their full legal government name to announce their passing. Like my grandpa solely went by his middle name, but his obituary had him listed as John Middlename Doe (obvious fake name, but you get the point).
As someone who had to write Obits in my time working at funeral homes, while nicknames would be mentioned, full legal names are still used for lookups and everything official.
Lio: "The fantasy's up! There are no dragons! No JAR dragons to slay. Only you." Fluffy: "Well, if you fucking want me dead so bad, then kill me." [Leaves call] Like... They're a fucking adult. I have trouble taking some jokes like jokes since I'm also Autistic, but I was even able to tell that this was only meant to be a metaphor. Lio was making note that the guilty party wasn't JAR. Fluffy's response was a HUGE overreaction... ALL OF THIS... Was an overreaction. This was a *DeviantART drama*, for fucks sakes... Fluffy and Chaos, if you're watching this video still... Grow. The fuck. Up. You're both adults. Act like one, and take fucking accountability...
As a man with Aspergers myself, even I could tell that was a joke. Whatever weirdo raised this Fluffy person should be ashamed… then again, I doubt anyone actually did raise them and instead they were raised by the internet.
Resent that quote, if spirits and/or "angels" also take those forms and said to also throughout universal/multiversal to have been our progenitors, too, and also throughout all colonial history, way before this planet was created, if so?
Can I just say. Thank both to Lio and B in these kinds situations. Know it’s been 8 months but still. The universe better be sending em a fuck ton of good karma or imma riot
I genuinely have no idea what Chaos and Fluffy expected. Did they expect Lio and Ponder to just run with this despite having nothing more than flimsy evidence and a bunch of excuses? From the beginning it's completely ridiculous. "Oh, the obituary wasn't found because of a nickname. Oh, it's hard to find because it was so far back. My mom took my phone with the photo of the note on it. Then she spilled coffee on my yearbook. Oh and the school that would have a copy? It shut down, sorry." (I have no idea if any of that is true but it sounds goofy as hell and the pattern of excuses continues into the other calls. Like there's another conversation about a yearbook later and they just go: "Oh it's at this person's house" as if that was the end of it.) Just.. What did they think was going to happen when they blocked every avenue of question with excuses and non-starters? Did they think people would be like, "Well that sucks all your evidence is gone via a series of unfortunate events. Let's go bury JAR anyway tho." It's like they were banking on people not liking JAR and wanting to jump on allegations made against him. Really says a lot about them, they expect everyone to either be stupid or have such a low moral standard that they'd be glad to bury someone just for the sake of it.
>I genuinely have no idea what Chaos and Fluffy expected. Did they expect Lio and Ponder to just run with this despite having nothing more than flimsy evidence and a bunch of excuses? Like Lio said "Nobody learned anything from Spoctor." >Oh, it's hard to find because it was so far back. My best friend from Jr High committed suicide almost 10 years ago. I found her obituary just now, no problem. Their excuses are BS.
@@Shatterstar Yup. I remember seeing the Spoctor shit unfold. I saw Atari's video and thought to myself, "I'm gonna come back in a few days and see if anything else comes out." Lo and behold Ponder enters the ring. I'm glad that not as many people had jumped on this JAR nonsense before it was shut down, but still sad that something of this nature has happened again. Legit all Fluffy and Chaos had was bad screenshots and a bunch of stalling, it's uncomfortable to listen to all their lies pile up on each other.
I mean, granted, I'm no big fan of JAR myself, but this is blatantly absurd. I would hope that people, even if they dislike someone, can recognize BS and not stand for it.
Not to mention that when Fluffy DMed the name to Lio, they seemingly kept saying that they didn’t know how it was spelt. And kept purposely mispronouncing it. And excusing it because of how hot and sweaty she is (probably from all the lying).
Sadly we’re in a day and age where plenty of people would gladly ignore how stupid an accusation is if it meant hurting someone they disliked. Had Ponder and Lio not gotten involved, it may have actually worked.
Alright... I'm a little peeved, actually. Was using this video as background noise for drawing, and was following along well enough. But one specific part irked me the most; "Oh, JAR never placed a disclaimer telling people to not harass those he talks about, so he's supporting that harassment."... No... That is not how that works. JAR's not at fault for how his audience harasses those who he talks about. Sure, it's irresponsible of him to have not done so, since it doesn't occur to everyone that harassing someone because of something a video says shouldn't be done, But unless he's specifically telling people to go and harass those he covers, it's not his fault for how his audience reacts. Hell, in his latest video, he specifically told people that he doesn't want his audience to go and harass Chaos, Fluffy, and other people peddling this nonsense. So it most certainly looks like JAR wasn't wanting his audience to do that to Chaos when that specific situation was happening. Or, if he did support that belief in the past (which I highly doubt), then he doesn't support it in the present day, and shouldn't be held responsible for beliefs he made in the past that he no longer stands by. You guys do realize people can grow, right? We're not always going to be stagnate... Just... Holy shit...
@@lizomeri4009 So, yeah, that specific criticism Fluffy and Chaos had no longer applies to JAR, anymore. Since he does place disclaimers in his videos, they no longer can demoralize him for that, especially since he's still not responsible for his audience harassing his topics when he's completely against that notion.
The moment when Chaos claimed that JAR didn’t place any disclaimers, I’m like, “did you even watch the video?” Like she was already making claims of JAR doing things I KNEW where not true. Like I can understand not remembering your old school friend’s last name, but then she was like, “don’t got the yearbook,” “can’t find the death certificate,” “it’s JAR’s fault because der fans were attacking meh friend,” and pausing whenever Leo corrects Fluffy’s or Chaos’s lies. I just LOVE it when people pause for just those few seconds whenever they’re caught in a lie.
Good grief this was the dumbest stunt I’ve seen attempted to be pulled on JAR. Poor guy needs a break from this nightmare. As always amazing job Lio and yeah honestly people do need to grow up. Lioman shouldn’t be everyone’s dad. Still great work as per usual. Love Missy’s art for the thumbnail too.
2:56:20 “HEY PEACHES HOW YOU DOING BEST GIRL-“ 2:57:05 “OH WAIT WE’RE LIVE???” 2:57:14 GIGGLE ATTACK 3:27:46 CHAT WANTS WEED 3:46:20 “TALK DOWN TO ME DADDY-“ 2:54:58 “BASED”
Imagine using someone's suicide to cancel someone. Shame shame. Also you can tell what's BS because of how much emphasis and extra information gets put into simple answers (i.e. "If you have a yearbook it should have his last name" "well when I was living under my narcissistic mother she spilled coffee on it [this would have been fine however] she also got rid of my phone which had a message from him where he said he's gonna kill himself with his note [this is extra unnecessary info that is a red flag that they're lying]). Majority of people who are lying tend to add extra information to cover all the bases as well as thinking more information means more truthful, which is actually opposite to what actually happens.
And/or some can be both a hypocrite and/or while being a v*ctim, too, especially if disordered by it and/or perpetuating it and/or by s*bstances and coping and for example, if true Corey Feldman?
"The school should have an archive of the yearbook" "oh the school has since shut down" screams red flag. Literally every avenue is a dead end?? Really???? Then the local library should have it. Also unless it was a private school I doubt it would get shut down, even for embezzlement. I hate this place
After listening to this a few times, it's kinda funny how defensive Fluffy gets when questioned. The change in language use and tone is palpable. It just screams "I am lying and/or hiding something" to me.
i was there for that ponder stream- feels like witnessing history o7 i low key grew up looking up to ponder and you guys. it taught me to stand up for myself and chase the truth when bs is brought to me. yall are awesome
What in the actual hell...Chaos kicks up a bunch of bull then makes her roomie handle it? Don't get me wrong, they're lying too, but it should be Chaos' ass in the hot seat. Well done, Lio. Sorry that you're being dragged into internet nonsense yet again; make sure you take a good chunk of self care time.
Lio I swear! I have this very vivid mental picture of you just stone cold face, taking notes every other sentence, in a therapist/journalist chair through this entire call. God bless you have such an Aura.
The calls really show how sketchy Fluffy and Chaos come off as. It's already bad enough that Chaos has yet to provide evidence of the supposed "dead friend." But now we have both her and Fluffy acting suspicious regarding the recent accusations against JAR. I honestly hope Chaos contacts you or JAR to sort this out before Monday. If she and Fluffy are truly behind the accounts accusing JAR, then they need to come clean about it before things get worse. But if they are telling the truth, then they need to provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE with no excuses. This whole DeviantArt situation should have been resolved MONTHS ago and the fact that it's gotten to the point of law enforcement potentially getting involved is f@cking ridiculous. Update: Monday has passed and yet Chaos and Fluffy still refused to talk! And by the time I make this update edit, Lio might have already issued the police report. Chaos and Fluffy were given the perfect opportunity to clear themselves or come clean about their actions and yet they BLEW IT! So whatever happens next is on them!
Its disheartening to heard JAR tired voice of all this BS All he wants to tell his story about how toxic and manipulative DeviantArt can be and almost committed self-deletion If I were you: I would just report this to police. False allegations isn't joke and could ruin someone's life
@@hermescarraro3393 the fact they have zero evidence back up their claims enough proof to me call chaos big fat fucking liar! Using suicide as weapon can go fuck yourself with sharp rod.. As someone deals with depression and had suicidal thoughts I hate these kinda of people!
Fluffy constantly saying she was dragged in because she was in the same room as Chaos when the call happened is asinine. Just because you’re in the same room doesn’t meant you’re “dragged into” a drama. You can help your friend out, sure, but you weren’t forced to help
She didn’t just help, she was actively facilitating communication between everybody and, in many calls, speaking on Chaos’s behalf. At that point, she is directly involved.
@@gregjayonnaise8314 And she never had to do that. She didn’t need to be Chaos’ mouthpiece when Chaos could have joined those calls and spoken for herself. Fluffy put herself in that position.
Something that strikes me as odd about the cop friend that no one really seemed to dive into very deep is the fact that an OFFICER OF THE LAW would have ACAB on their Twitter, and if their department or someone working with him saw that, I'm sure they would have fired on the spot. Or at LEAST chewed him out and made him take it down. That would not slide in the police force. I dunno, adds more fishy-ness to the smelly pile. These people are... interesting, to say the least. Great video, you and Ponder make an amazing bs kicking team!
As an artist that loves long form content like ponder I’m glad I found your content. Your terrifying when I was introduced to you by a video by Doodles.
I have lost many people in my life, especially this year. I had friends who were suicidal when I was 12-13, bless them for staying alive and pushing forward to fight their personal demons but some weren’t as lucky. My neighbor of five years recently ended his life near my house by setting himself ablaze, I can never forget how a gentle and friendly elderly man who would feed all the neighborhood cats at his house and make us homemade pizza, was suffering so much he’d do that to himself. I remember his full name and parts of his life because me and father feel like it’s our job, because his family took advantage of him and abandoned him only to take everything he had after he died. We remember him as a kind soul and I still wish he didn’t have to go like that. So the fact, Chaos and Fluffy are unable to give solid evidence for ANYTHING about this is sickening. And more disgusting is how Chaos is trying to hide this on her channel, like it’s not happening. Only hope something good or at least helpful to JAR comes out of this, because this is absolutely ridiculous.
You know what makes the whole mess with Chaos and Fluffy pulling this stunt a big oof to me? It almost makes me remember this one line she said in one of her videos that at the near end of it made a comparison that was an obvious jab at Pentagrin when she bailed off the internet after Ponder look through the claim being made against Spoctor and when she did come back, she sorts of tried to pretend that the whole mess wasn't her fault. Even with the apology video she made then took down. And in case anyone is wondering, the video was about bad Role Plays - or RP for short.
To be honest, after what they (very incompetently) tried to do to JAR is hard for me to believe in ANY of Chaos and Fluffy's wards. Chaos completely murdered her credibility. JAR did not deserve this mess, and I am fully supporting Lio in reporting it to authorities, Chaos, Fluffy and everybody who was involved in fabricating those accusations should pay for what they did. Also, from what I noticed about Chaos, every time Lio brings up "okay maybe JAR and others didn't handle it well, but there is some responsibly on you", every single fricking time she doesn't acknowledge her faults, but turns around and "oh it Skype's fault", "oh it's Lily's fault", "oh it this and that's fault", also, also: JAR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS FANBASE! because nobody is responsible for the actions of others, get it through your thick skull for Gods sake!
just felt like inserting my two cents here, I'll say that they might have had a point if he was actively telling his fanbase to go harass the people he talks about, but he doesn't so he isn't responsible for what his fanbase does. hell, I've seen people's fanbases go after people after having been explicitly told not to, so their argument is even more stupid
Coming back to this, I found the segment at 37:23 to be bizarre. To detail how a close friend died in such a theatric or dramatic fashion: "That's when they found him with the rope around his neck…" Just comes off as odd. Is that just me?
Definitely not just you. I heard that and immediately winced because people don't describe traumatic personal things like that. It sounded like movie dialogue.
I had a classmate pass in a similar fashion, but not by suicide. It was because of the choking game. And I have never once described his death with such detail and theatrics. I had no reason to or want to. Even though I wasn't close to the person, I would just say "he died because of the choking game" and everyone put two and two together. It was too painful, still is even after 20 years, to describe how the choking game works and we don't even know the details of how he was found. Screams suspicious to me
Chaos talked about her dead friend in that way you hear witnesses of a crime talk to detectives investigating a murder in a tv show. It’s bizarre and sounds very rehearsed. There was no need for her to explain HOW he killed himself, because it’s irrelevant, and most people would think that. Also, I know for a fact that when most people go through a traumatic event, majority of them don’t like to give the gruesome details unless prompted or mandatory to do so. Why is she telling Lio about the details of a suicide that happened years ago as if she witnessed them yesterday?
@@gregjayonnaise8314 like I don't even like talking about how I almost succeeded myself, it was so hard having to tell so many health professionals the details over and over again. I can't imagine being able to say something like that without like breaking down. I guess dissociation from it and like just kinda compartmentalizing exists, I've done it before when faced with stressful things but never a death of someone I'm supposedly close to. Just very very strange sus af
I know that she is a grown-ass woman and brought a lot of this on to herself, but I do feel a little bad for fluffy. Chaos does seem to be using her as a human shield for a lot of this bullshit. Like fluffy is far from innocent, but she at least showed up to the calls, unlike chaos.
I got the same impression. I have a feeling Chaos is probably really manipulative, and she uses Fluffy to do her dirty work. I may be wrong, of course. But that's how it looks to me.
I only just now noticed this, after listening to this video a few times since it's been released. At the end of the first call, Choas was going over a story with Miles/John that happened in High school, but he ended things in Middle school.
Lio i just wanted to say your videos have helped me get through work (i fix tables which requires a lot of sanding with headphones in) because otherwise i would die of boredom
Soooo let's c if I get this straight JAR makes a video about his past n in that video he brings up a decade old comment where Chaos as a dumbass kid accuses JAR of leading her friend to suicide n JAR allowed a stupid 'grooming' claim on his first release of that video. JAR removes the allegation and apologizes > Chaos does not apologize for a decade ago JAR suspects the friend of Chaos does not exist > Chaos n her roommate Fluffy take issue and threaten legal action Some time passes JAR gets accused of being predator > the cop in charge is supposedly a high school mate of Chaos n Fluffy has worked with him b4 JAR is proven innocent. Can't find the fake police officers name even though u went to school together. Can't remember ur friends name who killed themselves even though u went to school with them n cared enough about them to accuse JAR of their death. .......now I'm not smart.......but even I can follow the dots........n there is no treasure at the end 😔
Now that I think about it, the "Richard" person Chaos talked about in her storytimes might've been her mother. She must've come up with the Richard character to talk about the wrongs her mother did. I might be wrong, though.
IF Chaos was telling the truth about 'knowing' someone who killed himself, she either wasn't as close with him as she made it out to be; or was straight up using a random kid's death to shit on JAR. There's just no way something like this could happen without ANY record of it being found for almost a whole damn YEAR. I was never a big fan of her, but learning who I thought was an awkward and fun person was actually kind of trashy fucking sucks.
And even if she forgot the name, don't Year Books usually have a page dedicated to students who passed away? So Chaos could easily look up the supposed dead friend's name (Pls genuinely correct me, I'm not American so I'm going off of assumptions)
right? I really enjoyed her videos but now I just feel sick watching them due to the person behind it, and when I watch her videos I wonder if what she's actually talking about is true
@@izachi-chan2432In my experience, yes... or they have a physical memorial like a picture frame, or a name engraved, etc... though not always. It's not something they have to do, and I imagine most schools take into account the family's wishes.
Ponder mentioned that despite thinking JAR is a racist, she's still defending him. I would love to hear why she thinks that. I don't watch JAR, nor am I a fan, just would love to hear Ponder's reasoning for that opinion she has on him.
@@meltedfroyo6979 TBF, things change. She doesn't change thumbnails or take down videos very often, if at all. Back then, she may have somewhat liked JAR, just how she liked Junkie, ViiOmega, and others.
Ponder did mention that she is going off of personal experiences, meaning she has nothing really to show to the audience as a way to explain why she thinks he's a racist. It's just up to us as a audience to assume she knows of something that we don't but won't do claims without evidence which, fair enough considering her content Plus, if she doesn't feel comfortable supporting Jar anymore, that's her personal business and it's totally fine. No one should support a creator whom they disagree with
I have never seen this channel before this video, but I am glad I found this. I never heard of this drama but it reminds me of someone who tried to pull something- less damning but still, knowing people like you are out there to actually help makes me so thankful... My drama was easily handled, I just gave up before it spread, I was only on twitter for three weeks... Never going to any social media again.
It’s so weird how Chaos describes their friend’s death in such detail yet can’t remember his name? When I was in middle school, we had a student who passed in a car accident, and even though I had never met the kid and hadn’t heard of him until then, I can still remember his name and the grief around the school at the time. It’s so obvious to me at that point that this wasn’t accurate because you can’t just forget something like that. Especially since Chaos described them as someone they knew personally.
2:28:00 ish Omg the slip up! And she didn't even catch it until it was explained to her 🤦🏻♀️ Ponder/B My Queen Being a bad bitch as always 😔🙏 Side note Fluffy's constant cussing whenever she's annoyed/irritated weirdly urked me As if she has ANY right to be short with ANYONE in this situation
@@Jynxxx5 agreed In general, she comes across like the kind of person that will purposefully insert themself into other people's drama and then wonder why they're "suddenly involved"
I just experienced stage 4 brain damage from listening to these two talk bout the whole thing. Omg. I actually applaud you guys for the amount of patience you guys have, holy shit. I would have short circuited back the shadow realm.
After seeing this, I do hope justice is brought to this. This call confirmed so much and Laka screwing up sending the info it is partly their fault for making that mistake. However, a good person would leave that private info alone. The fact that Fluffy thinks JAR would do something like this (if Raito was real) is sickening. So the calls confirm Fluffy knew this info in advance...I mean because of Laka's screw up but still the point.
The way Lio's breathing, I can feel the anger rising. Honestly I can't blame him, because Fluffy is an f***in ******bag! Like she tries to back talk the group for their failures, but instead is getting put in her place.
Christ almighty I'm sorry you had to endure all of that. I hope JAR gets the justice he deserves and Fluffy and Chaos gets what they both long had coming to them. Hope you're feeling better and God bless
Finally got to watching it in all parts so I can better collect my thoughts. I know Fluffy is Chaos roommate, but it's so odd how quickly she has all the necessary excuses. Did Chaos instruct her what to say or did she actually ask the necessary questions and didn't think the amount of missing puzzle pieces is sus? To be honest she shouldn't have had a call without Chaos, cause at the end Chaos pussied out and Fluffy had to deal with everything on her own. It's just all so uncomfortable to listen to especially when JAR actually gets to speak. The dude is completely done from all of this
I unfortunately have to say that UNLESS the creator ENCOURAGES the fandom’s behavior, they are NOT responsible for the fan’s behavior. See Travis Scoot and the Astro World incident-where the artist encouraged reckless behavior and even directed the audience to commit actions that endangered lives and killed several people. If JAR does not say anything about people to harass users and does not perform encourages that would encourage harassment (such as doxing), then he cannot be held accountable.
I agree! 150% on this. If you encourage poor behaviours and dangerous activities you are somewhat culpable, not wholly responsible, but partly responsible for inciting the incidents said fans committed to take place. However if you do not incite or encourage said behaviour whatsoever, you are not responsible for what other adults decide to do without your consent or knowledge. If they decide to do things for you, thinking they are helping or being a good stan, when you didn't ask them to at all, that's entirely om said fan/adult. Crazed out of control adult fans are responsible for their own actions and will face the consequences for them sooner or later. Creators shouldn't have to babysit nor coddle full grown adults to behave as they as adults should.
I can already tell that I'm gonna have a bunch of problems with the way that JAR's adversaries ar handling this, esecially with the admittance that 1. They KNOW that there's no way that anything they're threatening to charge him with will stick 2. That they're outright saying that the threats are a last resort for... Not putting out a disclaimer to not be an asshole? I'm very early into this, only on the first call. But as someone who struggle(d/s) with suicide and has all too many friends who unfortunately took that course of action, this attiude sickens me. Not putting out a disclaimer is not directed harassment. And what is with people using thei neurodivergent diagnosis as an excuse for things that they do as adults? I have diagnosis for adhd and Asperger's, but i still have to face reality and know what's real and not. This is already just...stupid as fuck.
Agreed, it is stupid. Also on the neurodivergent topic, what goes through their minds (well anyone who uses this excuse) to make them think that will somehow magically make them not at fault, neurological issues aren't shields to shift the blame.
I’m sorry to hear about your struggles, and hope you’re doing well. And I cannot tell you how many times we’ve caught people doing horrifically immoral things and tried to hide behind autism to excuse them. It’s sickening.
@@Lio_Convoy as someone who has autism yeah no- people like this make us non pos nuerodivergent folk look bad it's absolutely laughable they'll pull that card when backed into a corner they made-
@@Smolchild, same. I also have Aspergers and ADHD, that’s an excuse I used when I was very little. Now I’ve grown up, I have to deal with the people around me using that excuse for me when I don’t want them to.
call 1 I jump ship real early? I was waiting for over a year for Laka's video to be done. Laka still isn't done and when they blocked me in the Tobi drama I was done trusting them. "Ceo went after people and he was big." WHAT NO that never happened. In fact, I was the one telling others to stop going after PE013. I want to make it clear that I said Lily was the older one of the 2 and not a minor at the time, if lily was the younger one and a minor I would have checked over the grooming claim carefully . I really thought grooming was trying to get with someone and that is why CHILd grooming is bad. if I knew that this god with an email thing would be this stupid I would have never let lily join me in that video. After laka was saying things like "you only care about yourself you are not the only victim." and Chaos said lily groomed her when she was 14 (when she wasn't) I jumped the gun without thinking and I was stupid. Junkies call wasn't edited to make him look bad WTF? I just want to make it clear I never called anyone a pedo in this. call 2 LOL, I wanted to talk things out with tonnes of people tonnes of times but they always do this. "HUMMMM should I talk things out or should I KYS?" Call 3 LAKA's video will never be out I think it's been 2 years at this point. I skipped most of call 3 TBH Call 4 THE IP shows they are in the same city and state it's them for sure. Wow even ponder thinks I'm racist now. The last time I VCed with her she said Luke shouldn't have called me racist but it looks like she changed her mind. There's a little more defiance than me taking accountability for the grooming claims. I never said anyone was a child groomer just a groomer, also they are saying I groomed a 13-year old lol. Oh cool ponder is going of personal lol that could mean a lot of things TBH "Maybe you have a biased against jar because of the grooming claims." okay maybe I have a bias because they said I killed someone. But it is nice that ponder is on my side in a drama for the first time ever. LAKA let my dox leek are you kidding me? wait I agreed with laka to talk to C55t in a call before my video came out? when? knowing laka they will claim I said so in a call. I'm done watching this.
@Eric Bailey I feel that's a very random and probably small thing to call someone completely and truly racist over tho, even still. Of course, either way people have their own definition of what is too much/over the top or just average for a joke, so can't really fault Ponder for their opinion if that's how they feel.
I’m sorry your going through this JAR. This all really is just one big mess. And I hope Ponder and You both work things out. It’s saddening and I hate to see you both at odds. Everything seems like it’s falling to tatters.
Listening to all this I’m glad I was not allowed on social media until after I graduated high school. Also having Asperger’s and being easily influenced by other people out of a desperation to be accepted by my peer group due to being ostracized/heavily bullied….I would’ve done some real stupid shit being the desperate people pleaser I was. Also I found it really funny during the first confrontation fluffy was popping off with a nasty attitude but whenever they were trying to get the “minor“ to join the call she was quiet as a church mouse lol. Makes me wonder if Diggy was a sock account fluff owned. The so-called victim saying “you asking me to prove my allegations is playing mind games“… No it’s not. Innocent until proven guilty if you want your allegations to be believed by everyone you need evidence to prove it. Especially when they are something as serious as a child grooming…. If you have the evidence it’s not mine games when someone asks you to show what you have to back up your claims. Fluffy’s excuse for getting involved that being a victim she sees red when someone comes to her with allegations and stuff… That is literally a set up for her to be taken advantage of by literally anybody like ponder said. People that timer trauma they should not at all play detective and “help bring so much justice” because they are very affected by what happened to them. That is not healthy and it’s not gonna help anybody. Especially those allegations are false that can result in someone’s life being ruined or taken. Like having that mindset fluffy has is dangerous. What a mindset you have no business trying to “help“ with an investigation when you already have a preconceived bias against the person someone’s making allegations about. You’re gonna be more focused on proving that person 100% guilty even if you are dead ass wrong as you are helping someone fabricate evidence for false allegations. People are so quick to spread false predator allegations against someone they don’t even like or someone that they do know but they had a falling out with out of some petty revenge. And some of the minds like fluffy can easily be taken advantage of to help spread that slander. Fluffy asking “Why would anybody purposely commit conspiracy and post it everywhere then be like oops i messed up”…..Pentagrin and Stories did the same thing…..
I used to be a fan of Chaos55t's and to be honest I unsubbed from her after hearing of what she has done, I am saddend that people go this far to cancel people. Like how hard is it for people to tell the truth? As for you Lio I am surprised that you havent had a heart attack from all the stress of all the idiots you've delt with. Anyway I hope Jar feels better and gets a vacation and or just take time to relax I will go sub to him and support him. Thank you.
To be honest I feel she wont do anything she is running from the truth and wont own up to her mistakes, This situation is why I dont put my trust into TH-camr's, I can enjoy the content but wont fully trust them because of what happened.
I got to know her when doodles did collab or was another TH-camrs either way I enjoyed it subbed to her and junkie. I regret my choices when jar and manga kamen came out called junkie out! Than this shit happen I fucking unsub quicker than most I hate these lies with passion.
This reminded me of back when I was a chaos55t fan - I remember the moment I ... stopped being one. It was 3 years ago so I was like, either almost 13 or 13 and Chaos uploads a FAIl RP video ... like, number 5 I think? And oh my gosh, my fan post is thereeee.... and It's cringe ... cause i was 12 or 13 and couldn't writeeeee .... Honestly, glad I stopped being a fan then over getting called out for my poor 12/13 year old writing - cause now i have absolutely no reason to think of chaos exactly words from chaos about my post having been "all I'm getting from this is I'm a NERD and everyone ELSE is the ASSHOLE" Im glad i was so cringe back then actually, otherwise, i might have been a fan when this drama started happening since usually I'm pretty clueless to this stuff LMAO.
This was literally just fluffy as a perpetual crying soyjack Jesus christ this was pretty much 3+ hours of them doing everything imaginable to dodge the questions and try to convince someone with 0 proof
I'm so late to this video but the whole conversation starting with jar jumpscaring everyone in chat with his food eating asmr and then his little simping speech after finding out peaches was there was pretty funny. What an absolute goober
I was listening to some of this again because it still has me in such disbelief but Lio is absolutely correct. I lost quite a few people in my life to suicide over the years. I remember the names of ALL of them. Even my aunt who passed when I was 7. Sure some of my memories on her are fuzzy. But I do remember her name and face still. If you love someone you aren’t going to forget them, friends or family, to something as traumatic as suicide.
I feel so bad for Jar, poor guy got so screwed up by Fluffy and Chaos (as well by Junkie and the others as well). I hope he feels better soon and he can breathe and rest. the best for you, Jar
WAIT! So Fluffy tried to argue that she shouldn't be guilty because of association? Isn't that their whole case aganst JAR being Guilty? At least he doesn't live with his fans.
Although this is a day or two late as I make this, posting time stamps for everyone's convenience and assuming Lio is unable to make chapters (feel free to pin this, Lio).
0:04 - Ultimatum to Chaos
2:25 - Preamble
4:33 - Call 1: Lily and JAR
1:32:18 - Call 2: Chaos doesn't want to Call
1:51:04 - Call 3: Fluffy with the JAR Allegations
2:29:49 - Call 4: Fluffy Confronted Part 1
3:50:22 - Call 5: Fluffy Confronted Part 2
Thank you so much man
Sweet thank you so much! 🤩
Slight correction: Call 2 actually starts at 1:36:18, 4 mins from my initial stamp
That's more on me, I didn't notice your comment until later. This video's gotten a lot of traffic.
@@Lio_Convoy Good. Because no one and I mean NO ONE DESERVES FAKE ALLEGATIONS ON SOMETHING REALLY BAD just because of either them being biased or because they just wanna make an innocent man look bad for exposing their "idol."
That transition from "Goodnight Fluffy" to "I'm not happy, Fluffy" was unintentional comedy gold.
@Tommy's House of Vlogs 2:29:50
Be JAR: come into call about his allegations, talks while eating, flirts with british woman, makes noises, doesn’t elaborate, leaves.
oh and pisses don’t forget that
An example to live by, the true form of someone who didn't do shit in this situation.
Absolutely Incredible
this was the high point of the entire video for me. Hes such a goofus.
B A S E D
"Do you know JAR's real name?"
*"Oh yeah, we have all his information."*
Well, that's not obsessive and/or creepy at all. Please detect my sarcasm.
PS, I noticed Fluffy and Chaos didn't thank Opal for their compassion or offering their ear (and kept cutting them off). So, Thank You for Being Kind, Opal.
I noticed that too
That bothered the hell out of me
Yeah wasn't cool one bit. Not appreciative for something that they claimed to have gone through. If I had someone genuinely trying to give me help and comfort dealing with some childhood traumas I have, I would be very appreciative. Lord knows I need the help. I would kill to have someone give me help, support, and clarity of what I am dealing/suffering with regarding my childhood traumas. It was super weird they were not grateful or seemed really interested in the help or care. Which is sad. Great job Opal for being so caring.☺️🩷🩷
Ponder and Lio are the most terrifying combo there could be. If they are in the same room and scolding you, the only way you're choosing life is by sitting the fuck down and listening.
Right? I wasnt even the one being yelled at but i felt like i needed to sit down and shut up
I found it more entertaining how there was a excuse for why every conceivable piece of evidence was deleted, destroyed or otherwise lost. This person lost more information than the US government covers up.
@@DerpySquiddles4043 It was like listening to my parents yell
the dickriding is crazy
There has always been this joke that Ponder/Brooke is the mummy dealing with unruley kids causing internet drama. We found the dad of the situation. B and Lio are terrifying together.
No because I was thinking of this. They’re both fucking terrifying and shouldn’t be messed around with when talked to man
The weird thing is... Brooke's bi, Leo's straight (rather certain). They literally _could_ be compatible with each other.
They'd have glorious children, together, and despite the toughness between them, you know they'd rear a glorious child.
@@Michael-y9o5g lio is married. But i could see platonic parenting in the art community (even though they should have to parent a bunch of people)
"You're *Chaos* roommate"
"Whats that got to do with *Chaos* ?"
“If it’s so fucking dumb, go to fucking bed” is my favorite quote from Fluffy because it shows that she REALLY doesn’t care about what happens to Jar, the false accusations, and the consequences of her actions!
She’s a Chaos simp enabler, what did anyone expect…
Reminds me of Fran's reaction to the spoctor accusations were something like "it's the internet just go outside".
Yup. Right next to this spectacular quote:
Lio: "The fantasy's up! There are no dragons! No JAR dragons to slay. Only you."
Fluffy: "Well, if you fucking want me dead so bad, then kill me." [Leaves call]
Like... They're a fucking adult. I have trouble taking some jokes like jokes since I'm also Autistic, but I was even able to tell that this was only meant to be a metaphor. Lio was making note that the guilty party wasn't JAR. Fluffy's response was a HUGE overreaction... ALL OF THIS... Was an overreaction. This was a *DeviantART drama*, for fucks sakes...
The moment lio said "did I hear that right" I genuinely felt fear
Jar deserves better
@@jackloxtile2764 ngl, the second hand embarrassment of Fluffy’s response to a clear cut metaphor made me pause the video and hold my head in my hands. God the way my face heated up from second hand embarrassment was way to fucking real.
1:32:34 Opal being the sweetest, most compassionate person by selflessly extending a shoulder to cry on to people they had just met, and not even receiving a THANK YOU. Instead, being met with more whining about how “sad” they are and aww- how hArD iTs bEeN.
Chaos and Fluffy frankly disgust me.
"Ah, yes, I shall get into a call with 2 people known for taking absolutely no crap and having phenomenal BS detectors, and try to BS my way out of and around my bad behaviour! This is an excellent idea!"
If, for any reason, I was _ever_ being faced down by Ponder *and* Lio, I'm sitting down, shutting up, opening my damn ears, and speaking when spoken to. I choose life, thank you very much
God the thought of being sat in a room with those two and I’m in trouble- brings me back to family meetings where mom and dad use that firm verbal scolding then they proceed to tell me they aren’t mad, just disappointed. 😅😂
@@mr.anxiety7567 like mom and dad talking about behavior at school scary!
REAL like and maybe im wrong abt this bc im 9 months late and dont know laka from anything else, but i still dont totally trust them but at the VERY LEAST they owned up and apologized and didnt take them an entire call to turn on screenshare. like what the fuck was that totally real child saga, and what the hell was that last call where chaos is being an absolute baby and refusing to get in the call bc the scawy man is mwad at hew qwq EXPLODE!!!
Honestly, I would do the same. By that I mean I would do what you said you would do.
Preach my friend! Lio scares me enough as is I don't want to find out what Ponder does when she is angry!
2:46:58 "Fluffy I do not know who raised you but they owe us all an apology" I AUDIBLY YELLED DAMN AT THAT OH MY GOD
I was listening to this at work and did the same thing😂
I went oh damn
wOAH
I choked on my rum when I heard that.
@@zarthon1444oh wow I just hope your boss didn't come down on you
Hearing the word "Shenanigans" with such genuine hatred and venom is something i never knew i needed
When people like lio and Ponder are lurking around the internet, why do people still think they can play these games? Lio’s like the strict dad of the internet that expects you to behave and tears you a new one when you don’t. Ponder’s like a funny, cool, older sister who’s smart and has all the tea and receipts to back it up while calling you a dumbass for acting stupid and I’m all for it. I really need more collabs desperately!
"Have you tried Gundam building? It's actually very fun."
"Horticulture is fun, you can play with dead things!"
"You worry me."
Please dont let this be the only time you team up with Ponder on the channel, your interactions are the light in this dark video.
I do believe Ponder said "vulture culture", at least that makes more sense to me. :'D
Jesus Christ, if you have ponder AND lio in the same room together regarding something, you dun fucked up, /big time/ cause holy shit that is a TERRFYING combo.
When the boss music switches from orchestral to latin operatic lyrics and the health bar refills
@@CleverFoxStudios That's when you see the cut screen of a mass of eldritch tentacles help up the giant lion robot and you just instinctively yell "Oh Fuck nooo."
*Ponder humming the Jaws theme*
@@AtlantaHammy
Best Boss entrance EVVVEEERR!!
My dad lost one of his best friends when I was 8 . 2 decades ago. He counts the days starting from my birthday to his on how long the man was alive in 4 mounths before that day he was killed by a truck. People don't forget when someone dies infront them. People dont forgot the names of people they care about when they stuf like. Smh.
Hey, I know this is off topic but I just wanted to wish your dad well. I lost someone recently myself and grief is hard. Your sentiment is very true and I hope you’re both doing okay, it’s hard on the loved ones of those grieving as well, so please take care yourself .
Yeah I have an friendly acquaintance who died in a terror attack 11 years ago, and I know exactly how old he would be today. And we only hung out every summer at summer camp. You don’t forget. Ever.
I lost two classmates back in high school; one from a seizure in their sleep and the other was murdered in their home by a robber. I still remember their names though not their last names because I never learned them but still... shameful.
I called it!! It’s utter bullshit I knew it! These people bunch lying assholes! I hope chaos never gets her career back!
My mom had a lifelong friend who took her own life. I still remember the day it happened, I was about 3 years old and saw my mom crying up the stairs while my dad comforted her. To this day she still goes to the beach to sprinkle flower petals in the ocean as a way to remember her. I wish you’re dad well, and you too
Calling these people 'LARPing' is an insult to actual LARPers. At least we try and make our stuff make sense and be believable within the fantasy. The drama's on the right level for LARPers though.
And like, Larping is for fun.
We (I never participated but I'd love to so I'll say we) never harm anyone
I'm an old lady, can you please tell me what "LARPing" is? :)
@@SparDanger Sure thing. It stands for Live Action Roleplaying. If you've ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons, it's kinda like a cross between that an improv theater. Basically a bunch of people get together, dress up in costumes and pretend to be fantasy characters on the weekends. No real weapons, obviously. We either use prop weapons made of the same thing yoga mats are made of, or play rock paper sciscors. But it's just a bunch of nerdy adults who probably did theater in high school going out to a campsite or renting out a private conference room and playing make-believe. Yes we know how silly it sounds. We also know how silly it looks. It's a hobby and for a lot of people an excuse to get outside and maybe even be more physically active than normal life.
@@pinkpirate5 Oh, I see! Thanks! :)
I have been thinking of LARPing. I have done my fair bit of RPing so LARP is the logical next step to try.
You know how some people who curse a lot sound authentic? Fluffy doesn’t. She sounds very forced, and it’s super noticeable. To the point that it’s annoying.
Omg, I noticed that too! She actually curses MORE when she’s lying.
@@poly-phonica Yeah. Part of it is that some people you hear curse and you just believe that that’s their natural speech. Something about how Fluffy sounds like she is deliberately being to edgy. Like she either thinks adding so many curse words make her cool, or to be even more uncharitable that she thinks the curse words help her sound more truthful so she uses them when she wants to be believed. Idk it’s odd. Maybe it’s just kinda an image thing. Trying to play the part of Chaos’ champion or something, but it sounds off. It just doesn’t sound natural coming from her. Which I feel weird saying as I probably curse more than I should myself. I hope I don’t sound like that. Then I really have to get my habit under control.
@@MissCaraMint You’re right. It could mean a lot of things, since I don’t know this person from Adam, but to me it sounded like she’s trying to put on an affect of “I’m telling the truth, and I’m just flustered that you don’t trust me! I hate I’m being interrogated!” to seem more confident in her convictions.
LITERALLY that and also the "i fucking got this from fucking ___" comments and those like it, where shes deliberately trying desperately to pawn off blame onto other ppl, she sounds like. pissed off but in a flustered way trying to pass it off as if shes pissed that people duped her into believing her shitty evidence was fact. as if she had any right to be mad when shes the one who deliberately spread it.
@@spicycattx "I fucking ____ that because fucking _____ and I got it from fucking ____"
My respect for ponder is even higher cause they defended JAR and didn’t like him. Major props for them looking past their bias and actually looking for the truth with you Lio.
Edit: after watching the Junkie vid with Kamen, It raises a question, was this the result of the JAR research you were doing? It seems so. And it’s great you as well Lio overcame your bias. I respect you 20 fold now, both of you.
Naw, ponder was sent allegations prior to this and called them bunk. When fluffy posted again, she streamed ripping them apart, and Lio was in the twitch. Fluffy was added from there.
@@phoenixhexclar9340 is that stream still up? I’d love to watch it. Been revisiting this drama to pass time while spring cleaning
It's called being good people. The accusers accused JAR of some serious crap, something both Lio and B does NOT like nor want.
Lio has expressed that he would help someone who has tried to harm him if they become victims of grooming(Coyote drama). He bashed Coyote due to him not helping a victim because they weren't nice to him and he half-assed helping anyway because he was too scared to file a police report instead sending an anonymous tip.
And B has expressed that she doesn't like the types of environments where serious false allegations are spread without any evidence and was/is actively trying to stop it.
I hate that people are so deficient of common sense or courtesy, but am so glad that people like Lio and Ponder exist.
Yeah, I really do not like JAR as a person, but I'm still happy to see people in his corner if *this* is the shit that got thrown his way.
Does ponder really not like jar case I thought the were at least friendly with eachothet cause they've both done a couple videos with eachother
It’s weird to think I used to watch these deviantart ranters when I was 11/12 and now I’m 17, going on 18, about to go to college and I’m somehow more mature than these fully grown adults 💀
I’m so glad these weren’t a thing back when I was on DA, lol
REAL
Hearing Laka when they realized they fucked up, not gonna lie I felt bad for them. I understand and recognized that they shouldn't have really been involved in the first place, but thinking that they didn't do something only to have the realization that they accidentally sent Jar's dox.
4:25:36- 4:25:55
JESUS FUCKING H
Fluffy should consider herself goddamn blessed by mercy that Ponder was not in that call to hear that shit. She would've tore into her with disrespect after all the bullshit that woman had to deal with in the spoctor drama.
People pull that shit all the time. I can count three examples, including this one.
@@basicallyghostie7362 If you can, can you give those examples? Just pure curiosity is all.
@@theblackcatgirl7013 oh? I did say including this one but. 2018: Spoctor Drama, Pentagrin and Stories tried to frame a kid. Slazo Situation, Slazo's ex also tried to frame him for some awful things but he defended himself. Someone took Leo Convoy to court over "harassment" charges and they are court ordered to not talk to or about each other. Possably more but im not bothered to seek out past BS
@@theblackcatgirl7013 oh, not sure if it counts in this instance but I guess we can also add Creepshow Art.
@@basicallyghostie7362 oh I know about the Leo Convoy court thing.
I think it was Buttons.
I'm surprised it's all instances I knew of but didn't really think that far ahead. So thank you for all this! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Fluffy wants to act like a tough girl to the people SHE ASKED TO LOOK INTO.
I think she (or Chaos or both) just want JAR to be embaresses, yelled at, and possibly arrested for internet drama-and are embarrassed when they are the ones on the hot seat.
Things we have learned from this collection of calls:
1.) Sometimes people are pathetic enough that they hold grudges over Deviantart drama for literal years, to the point where they want to ruin someone's life.
2.) If Fluffy were to have a swear jar, there'd be enough money in it to buy the Eiffel tower. Additionally, if you were to take a shot every time Fluffy swore, you'd probably die.
3.) Fluffy will apparently believe any accusations about someone they don't like, even if the "evidence" is very clearly fake. They should not ever try to get involved in serious situations if this is the case.
4.) Chaos is an adult, yet seems to run away from her problems like a scared child.
5.) Chaos cares so much about this friend of hers that allegedly killed themselves, but apparently doesn't care enough about them to remember their name. I understand having bad memory, but even those with bad memory will tend to remember the names of people who played an important role in their life, good or bad. If you don't remember someone's name, that means they weren't important enough to you. That's if this friend of hers even existed in the first place, which I'm willing to bet they didn't.
6.) If "Raito" is a real person, he is either impersonating a cop very badly, or is SO BAD at being a police officer that it's actually super embarrassing.
Number 3 really reminds me of a narcissistic reviewer I know.
Yeah thiis is so dumb, like i have a friend i held dear to me who died in a massive twister in little rock i think the state was called. Dude was name Jeff hunter miss that dude everyday. IF i can remember his name and Chaos cant remember her friends name its bs
@LOLOPOPO who laka?
@@chikenmcnuggets4899 Laka is short for LakaMokoLaka, they're a TH-camr on the platform as well and they were helping JAR at one point. Their part of the call is 3:30:28
Somebody with common sense I love you mate!
The SILENCE from Fluffy in the second call is DEAFENING and speaks a million words. I feel like everything Lio said there made way too much sense and Fluffy wasn’t sure how to respond in a way that wouldn’t look bad on her or Chaos.
I know this is two months old, but when Fluffy went “I did not know that.” When you told her that JAR has dyslexia and types a certain way, that felt a little…idk. It kinda gave vibes of “I done messed up”.
But I could be reading into it too much, so take this with a grain of salt.
Since they were lying to cover up them framing jar for m urder by proxy am not shock she would be scared
I’m glad they didn’t know that cuz if they did, what should happen if they did a good replication. I’m glad jar won out in the end
The tone shift at 2:30:24 genuinely sounded like a lion snarl and that's when I knew things were about to get bad
Fluffy has a lot of fucking nerve to be biting people's heads off and being disrespectful when she was literally in the wrong and perpetuating the bullshit. If I was in Fluffy's situation (you wouldn't catch me dead in Fluffy's situation because I don't involve myself in bullshit, especially without proper evidence), I would've bitten my tongue and listened instead of doubling down and fighting back. That being said, I actually have fear and respect for people who have more authority than me, which is what Fluffy seems to lack in this case
I agree, and I find it absolutely hilarious how they tried lashing out and acting big and bad and then whine, deflecte and try playing the victim when none of them are buying it. Lio, Peaches and Ponder were right, Fluffy didn't get dragged into this, they inserted themselves trying to play detective.
@@pikachu0Z something I don't think I will ever get over is Fluffy taking Lio's metaphor of slaying dragons as a literal death threat. she is not the victim but she spends the entire confrontation acting like she is and that pisses me off
@@Pink-Computer
Yeah and she was expecting to be taken seriously after all that and then make a childish remark before leaving the call, and on top of all that she talking for Chaos because " Lio man scary " like really?!, she does this to Jar for years and doesn't have the guts to own it, that just sad.
Also I'm also Autistic and for Fluffy to take Lio's metaphor seriously is downright embarrassing.
@@pikachu0Z Fluffy is embarrassing. let's just hope that she learns from glorious fuck up and doesn't try it with anyone else
I'm gonna guess that it's because she didn't have good authority figures in her life so therefore, she doesn't respect anyone higher than her
I'm just going to put my two cents here: Never and I mean never use being on the spectrum or "neurodivergent" as a crutch to try and explain away your BS! And for Pete's sake the "You need to control your fans" argument is gonna make me burst a blood vessel in my gray matter! What JAR's fans do is not a reflection on him! He is not guilty of murder if one of his fans deletes some one from existence! It... It makes me very angry that it is used so flippantly as an excuse for someone's poor behavior!!
And before anyone asks: I have PDD/NOS. This stands for pervasive developmental disorder/ not obviously specified. It is folded into the spectrum of Autism. It really grinds my gears that a lot of people are just leaning on disabilities as an excuse for poor behavior! Sure I don't have any say over what others do... But for the love of flying potato salad can we please stop with the excuses!!? If I acted the same way Fluff and Chaos did I think I'd die of cringe and shame!!
as someone with aspergers, i think the issues with lily and the emails could be explained with delusions, especially if they're unmedicated (i've had insane delusions as well, especially before medication). but some goofy delusions as a teenager does NOT excuse what's going on now, as people in their mid 20s! accusing JAR of causing someone's suicide is absolutely inane and cruel. and even with the stuff being possibly explained by mental illness, you still have to take accountability??? jeez louise....
I knew 2 people who used their autism as an excuse for literally manipulating me and another ex-friend of mine, as well as trying to guilt trip us with it.
Yes I've cut them both out of my life 3 years ago.
Yes it seriously sucks because we spend all of this time trying to prove against hate organizations that autism doesn't cause cruelness, evilness, or any sort of bad behavior, and then these people put the entire community under the bus, implying that their autism made them do awful things instead of taking responsibility.
This is really pathetic that is how some folks wanna handle things, instead of talking things out, let's attempt to ruin someone, and then drag your feet and play games when called out. JAR's no saint (and really who is) but this is beyond ridiculous and he didn't deserve this.
I totally agree %100
I’ve been on the internet long enough to know people will do the craziest shit to avoid “losing” a simple drama or being embarrassed by their past fuck ups.
What bad has he done?
@@addison_v_ertisement1678
Honestly the only things I can think of is Jar jumping the gun a bit and getting some facts wrong, so I fail to understand why people wanna go after him.
For a Robot, Jar is surprisingly tech illiterate.
Which is what I choose to focus on since everything else has been said already.
To be fair, most people have to train pretty hard to fix our human bodies.
@@AgapeForgotten But you can program that into robots
@@toolatetothestory Good point.
I think the most depressing thing about this is that, regarding Fluffy being a CSA survivor and "seeing red," as they put it, that is something that I've seen happen. I've had so many friends who've went through similar traumas, and, even with inconsistencies in a story, will listen to people who they later found out lied about being assaulted, just to hurt somebody. I'm honestly just disappointed at this point that people would be cruel enough to actual victims just to hurt somebody.
yeeaah that puts a rougher spin on this :( I fell for the goldenphoenixgirl nonsense back in the day, she definitely took advantage of a lot of peoples' trauma. Wonder if whatsherface used them as a go-between/shield to stay anon. :/
I grew out of that real quick, and I'm also an autistic victim.
Tbh these days I doubt the victim first, because real victims go to the police. Not TH-cam or Twitter.
If they got evidence, then alright.
@@toolatetothestory ehhh there's plenty cases where people had their case badly mishandled by the police in a way that compounded trauma, want to talk about it/warn others but not the stress of a full-on investigation. Public dialogue allows others to weigh in with 'shit me too' and gets the ball rolling.
Whisper networks are valuable in that regard, the problem is occasionally you'll get an abuser that manipulates that space and trust (goldenphoenixgirl) or some form of clusterB hell where "this did not happen even if the person believes it does"(goldenphoenixgirl again, she claimed medically impossible abuse or that past partners were abusive only for her last boyfriend to come out and say 'yeah this person was hella abusive' to the tune of her accidentally uploading a video of her being abusive).
Am also autistic and a victim, there's been cases where I did internet 'hey yeah this guy is a creep' over irl reporting because of picking and choosing my battles for my own sanity, because by the time I processed "hang on this shit is fucked" it was too late and chatlogs were long gone etc. Some cases the people involved were in entirely different countries or it was fucked up and heinous but not to the point of being illegal.
tl;dr its complicated, most cases of 'hey yeah dude is a creep' are real but you get fringe cases like ghostie or whatever her name is that tank it for the rest of us.
Also getting really annoyed at saying that any "diagnoses", if even true, and perpetuated by a colonial system, is responsible for believing in spiritual things and those timelines can exist by you creating them and parallel, to your enviroment and can also be accessed by imagination and can be a safe place, if communicating with them in your imagination, and by your side and if also in your #awareness of your surroundings and if safe?
They also move involuntarilly? Look up #guides and #egregores?
This is jaw dropping. Treating someone’s real life like a roleplay session is a level of callous I don’t know how you could justify in your own mind. There’s no internet drama or friendship falling out that could warrant this level of vengeance.
My heart goes out to JAR. He seems like a well-meaning guy. I’m sorry that the others in the conversation had to deal with this as well.
How did no one notice Fluffy in a blatant lie at the beginning. She said an obituary site used his nickname. Why would they do that? Why not use their government name?
Agreed. Unless that person legally changed his name and there are documents for it, no way would an obituary site use his nickname.
I think the argument is that they looked for him under his nickname not his actual name
@@calvaryishere1632 well then that's even more stupid cause why would you look up under the nickname?
Yea, obituaries would only mention a nickname, they’d still use their full legal government name to announce their passing. Like my grandpa solely went by his middle name, but his obituary had him listed as John Middlename Doe (obvious fake name, but you get the point).
As someone who had to write Obits in my time working at funeral homes, while nicknames would be mentioned, full legal names are still used for lookups and everything official.
>"why does a cop have acab in his bio"
And that makes me laugh
Lio: "The fantasy's up! There are no dragons! No JAR dragons to slay. Only you."
Fluffy: "Well, if you fucking want me dead so bad, then kill me." [Leaves call]
Like... They're a fucking adult. I have trouble taking some jokes like jokes since I'm also Autistic, but I was even able to tell that this was only meant to be a metaphor. Lio was making note that the guilty party wasn't JAR. Fluffy's response was a HUGE overreaction... ALL OF THIS... Was an overreaction. This was a *DeviantART drama*, for fucks sakes...
Fluffy and Chaos, if you're watching this video still... Grow. The fuck. Up. You're both adults. Act like one, and take fucking accountability...
As a man with Aspergers myself, even I could tell that was a joke. Whatever weirdo raised this Fluffy person should be ashamed… then again, I doubt anyone actually did raise them and instead they were raised by the internet.
Resent that quote, if spirits and/or "angels" also take those forms and said to also throughout universal/multiversal to have been our progenitors, too, and also throughout all colonial history, way before this planet was created, if so?
Yeah they are grown adults I know children who act more mature than this
It also could have been an awful, terrible, lame-ass "one-liner" to dip on. Basically as lame as if she was being serious.
Why should they want play victim… since that all their good at.
I love that Lio acts like a dad in call 4 and 5.
Can I just say. Thank both to Lio and B in these kinds situations. Know it’s been 8 months but still. The universe better be sending em a fuck ton of good karma or imma riot
I genuinely have no idea what Chaos and Fluffy expected. Did they expect Lio and Ponder to just run with this despite having nothing more than flimsy evidence and a bunch of excuses?
From the beginning it's completely ridiculous.
"Oh, the obituary wasn't found because of a nickname. Oh, it's hard to find because it was so far back. My mom took my phone with the photo of the note on it. Then she spilled coffee on my yearbook. Oh and the school that would have a copy? It shut down, sorry."
(I have no idea if any of that is true but it sounds goofy as hell and the pattern of excuses continues into the other calls. Like there's another conversation about a yearbook later and they just go: "Oh it's at this person's house" as if that was the end of it.)
Just.. What did they think was going to happen when they blocked every avenue of question with excuses and non-starters? Did they think people would be like, "Well that sucks all your evidence is gone via a series of unfortunate events. Let's go bury JAR anyway tho."
It's like they were banking on people not liking JAR and wanting to jump on allegations made against him. Really says a lot about them, they expect everyone to either be stupid or have such a low moral standard that they'd be glad to bury someone just for the sake of it.
>I genuinely have no idea what Chaos and Fluffy expected. Did they expect Lio and Ponder to just run with this despite having nothing more than flimsy evidence and a bunch of excuses?
Like Lio said "Nobody learned anything from Spoctor."
>Oh, it's hard to find because it was so far back.
My best friend from Jr High committed suicide almost 10 years ago. I found her obituary just now, no problem. Their excuses are BS.
@@Shatterstar Yup. I remember seeing the Spoctor shit unfold. I saw Atari's video and thought to myself, "I'm gonna come back in a few days and see if anything else comes out." Lo and behold Ponder enters the ring. I'm glad that not as many people had jumped on this JAR nonsense before it was shut down, but still sad that something of this nature has happened again.
Legit all Fluffy and Chaos had was bad screenshots and a bunch of stalling, it's uncomfortable to listen to all their lies pile up on each other.
I mean, granted, I'm no big fan of JAR myself, but this is blatantly absurd. I would hope that people, even if they dislike someone, can recognize BS and not stand for it.
Not to mention that when Fluffy DMed the name to Lio, they seemingly kept saying that they didn’t know how it was spelt. And kept purposely mispronouncing it. And excusing it because of how hot and sweaty she is (probably from all the lying).
Sadly we’re in a day and age where plenty of people would gladly ignore how stupid an accusation is if it meant hurting someone they disliked. Had Ponder and Lio not gotten involved, it may have actually worked.
Alright... I'm a little peeved, actually. Was using this video as background noise for drawing, and was following along well enough. But one specific part irked me the most; "Oh, JAR never placed a disclaimer telling people to not harass those he talks about, so he's supporting that harassment."... No... That is not how that works.
JAR's not at fault for how his audience harasses those who he talks about. Sure, it's irresponsible of him to have not done so, since it doesn't occur to everyone that harassing someone because of something a video says shouldn't be done, But unless he's specifically telling people to go and harass those he covers, it's not his fault for how his audience reacts. Hell, in his latest video, he specifically told people that he doesn't want his audience to go and harass Chaos, Fluffy, and other people peddling this nonsense. So it most certainly looks like JAR wasn't wanting his audience to do that to Chaos when that specific situation was happening. Or, if he did support that belief in the past (which I highly doubt), then he doesn't support it in the present day, and shouldn't be held responsible for beliefs he made in the past that he no longer stands by. You guys do realize people can grow, right? We're not always going to be stagnate... Just... Holy shit...
I usually hear in his videos (since I use it as background noise when playing video games, writing, or drawing) and he does put disclaimers.
@@lizomeri4009 So, yeah, that specific criticism Fluffy and Chaos had no longer applies to JAR, anymore. Since he does place disclaimers in his videos, they no longer can demoralize him for that, especially since he's still not responsible for his audience harassing his topics when he's completely against that notion.
@@jackloxtile2764 yep. Also it goes without saying to not harass people.
The moment when Chaos claimed that JAR didn’t place any disclaimers, I’m like, “did you even watch the video?” Like she was already making claims of JAR doing things I KNEW where not true. Like I can understand not remembering your old school friend’s last name, but then she was like, “don’t got the yearbook,” “can’t find the death certificate,” “it’s JAR’s fault because der fans were attacking meh friend,” and pausing whenever Leo corrects Fluffy’s or Chaos’s lies. I just LOVE it when people pause for just those few seconds whenever they’re caught in a lie.
@@jackloxtile2764 fuck chaos and Lilly these people lying scumbags!
Good grief this was the dumbest stunt I’ve seen attempted to be pulled on JAR. Poor guy needs a break from this nightmare. As always amazing job Lio and yeah honestly people do need to grow up. Lioman shouldn’t be everyone’s dad. Still great work as per usual. Love Missy’s art for the thumbnail too.
2:56:20 “HEY PEACHES HOW YOU DOING BEST GIRL-“
2:57:05 “OH WAIT WE’RE LIVE???”
2:57:14 GIGGLE ATTACK
3:27:46 CHAT WANTS WEED
3:46:20 “TALK DOWN TO ME DADDY-“
2:54:58 “BASED”
Imagine using someone's suicide to cancel someone. Shame shame. Also you can tell what's BS because of how much emphasis and extra information gets put into simple answers (i.e. "If you have a yearbook it should have his last name" "well when I was living under my narcissistic mother she spilled coffee on it [this would have been fine however] she also got rid of my phone which had a message from him where he said he's gonna kill himself with his note [this is extra unnecessary info that is a red flag that they're lying]). Majority of people who are lying tend to add extra information to cover all the bases as well as thinking more information means more truthful, which is actually opposite to what actually happens.
Also, didn't she originally say her mother took her phone to upgrade it, and then said Richard took her phone?
And/or some can be both a hypocrite and/or while being a v*ctim, too, especially if disordered by it and/or perpetuating it and/or by s*bstances and coping and for example, if true Corey Feldman?
Anyone who believes this bullshit I got oil thar can cure anything even cancer.
"The school should have an archive of the yearbook" "oh the school has since shut down" screams red flag. Literally every avenue is a dead end?? Really???? Then the local library should have it. Also unless it was a private school I doubt it would get shut down, even for embezzlement.
I hate this place
Damn Lio. You’re making me feel guilty, and I haven’t even been involved in any of this.
same
i dont know anything about this but jesus i feel guilty lmao
I feel like I got a bollacking too haha and I know that I got no involvement XD
It's the disappointed father aura.
I know, right? I’m 28 but his scolding game is so strong that I feel like I need to go apologize to my parents.😂
After listening to this a few times, it's kinda funny how defensive Fluffy gets when questioned. The change in language use and tone is palpable. It just screams "I am lying and/or hiding something" to me.
i was there for that ponder stream- feels like witnessing history o7
i low key grew up looking up to ponder and you guys. it taught me to stand up for myself and chase the truth when bs is brought to me. yall are awesome
What in the actual hell...Chaos kicks up a bunch of bull then makes her roomie handle it?
Don't get me wrong, they're lying too, but it should be Chaos' ass in the hot seat.
Well done, Lio. Sorry that you're being dragged into internet nonsense yet again; make sure you take a good chunk of self care time.
Lio I swear! I have this very vivid mental picture of you just stone cold face, taking notes every other sentence, in a therapist/journalist chair through this entire call. God bless you have such an Aura.
The calls really show how sketchy Fluffy and Chaos come off as. It's already bad enough that Chaos has yet to provide evidence of the supposed "dead friend." But now we have both her and Fluffy acting suspicious regarding the recent accusations against JAR.
I honestly hope Chaos contacts you or JAR to sort this out before Monday. If she and Fluffy are truly behind the accounts accusing JAR, then they need to come clean about it before things get worse. But if they are telling the truth, then they need to provide ACTUAL EVIDENCE with no excuses. This whole DeviantArt situation should have been resolved MONTHS ago and the fact that it's gotten to the point of law enforcement potentially getting involved is f@cking ridiculous.
Update: Monday has passed and yet Chaos and Fluffy still refused to talk! And by the time I make this update edit, Lio might have already issued the police report. Chaos and Fluffy were given the perfect opportunity to clear themselves or come clean about their actions and yet they BLEW IT! So whatever happens next is on them!
its is honestly pathetic lol. these are adults acting like 15 year olds 😂
Its disheartening to heard JAR tired voice of all this BS
All he wants to tell his story about how toxic and manipulative DeviantArt can be and almost committed self-deletion
If I were you: I would just report this to police.
False allegations isn't joke and could ruin someone's life
It's funny cause they just proved him even more right
I agree on being falsely accused of something. It angers me that many people can get away with it.
@@hermescarraro3393 the fact they have zero evidence back up their claims enough proof to me call chaos big fat fucking liar!
Using suicide as weapon can go fuck yourself with sharp rod..
As someone deals with depression and had suicidal thoughts I hate these kinda of people!
Fluffy constantly saying she was dragged in because she was in the same room as Chaos when the call happened is asinine. Just because you’re in the same room doesn’t meant you’re “dragged into” a drama. You can help your friend out, sure, but you weren’t forced to help
She didn’t just help, she was actively facilitating communication between everybody and, in many calls, speaking on Chaos’s behalf. At that point, she is directly involved.
@@gregjayonnaise8314 And she never had to do that. She didn’t need to be Chaos’ mouthpiece when Chaos could have joined those calls and spoken for herself. Fluffy put herself in that position.
Something that strikes me as odd about the cop friend that no one really seemed to dive into very deep is the fact that an OFFICER OF THE LAW would have ACAB on their Twitter, and if their department or someone working with him saw that, I'm sure they would have fired on the spot. Or at LEAST chewed him out and made him take it down. That would not slide in the police force. I dunno, adds more fishy-ness to the smelly pile. These people are... interesting, to say the least.
Great video, you and Ponder make an amazing bs kicking team!
As an artist that loves long form content like ponder I’m glad I found your content. Your terrifying when I was introduced to you by a video by Doodles.
I have lost many people in my life, especially this year. I had friends who were suicidal when I was 12-13, bless them for staying alive and pushing forward to fight their personal demons but some weren’t as lucky. My neighbor of five years recently ended his life near my house by setting himself ablaze, I can never forget how a gentle and friendly elderly man who would feed all the neighborhood cats at his house and make us homemade pizza, was suffering so much he’d do that to himself.
I remember his full name and parts of his life because me and father feel like it’s our job, because his family took advantage of him and abandoned him only to take everything he had after he died. We remember him as a kind soul and I still wish he didn’t have to go like that.
So the fact, Chaos and Fluffy are unable to give solid evidence for ANYTHING about this is sickening. And more disgusting is how Chaos is trying to hide this on her channel, like it’s not happening.
Only hope something good or at least helpful to JAR comes out of this, because this is absolutely ridiculous.
You know what makes the whole mess with Chaos and Fluffy pulling this stunt a big oof to me? It almost makes me remember this one line she said in one of her videos that at the near end of it made a comparison that was an obvious jab at Pentagrin when she bailed off the internet after Ponder look through the claim being made against Spoctor and when she did come back, she sorts of tried to pretend that the whole mess wasn't her fault. Even with the apology video she made then took down.
And in case anyone is wondering, the video was about bad Role Plays - or RP for short.
The audacity to come to a predator hunter to help you out, only to get mad when they actually do their job lmao
Man, watching stuff like this honestly make’s appreciate the fact my family couldn’t afford a home computer/internet when I was a teen
They're in their mid twenties. Even worse
@@tertiaritusagreed 😂
To be honest, after what they (very incompetently) tried to do to JAR is hard for me to believe in ANY of Chaos and Fluffy's wards. Chaos completely murdered her credibility. JAR did not deserve this mess, and I am fully supporting Lio in reporting it to authorities, Chaos, Fluffy and everybody who was involved in fabricating those accusations should pay for what they did. Also, from what I noticed about Chaos, every time Lio brings up "okay maybe JAR and others didn't handle it well, but there is some responsibly on you", every single fricking time she doesn't acknowledge her faults, but turns around and "oh it Skype's fault", "oh it's Lily's fault", "oh it this and that's fault", also, also: JAR IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS FANBASE! because nobody is responsible for the actions of others, get it through your thick skull for Gods sake!
just felt like inserting my two cents here, I'll say that they might have had a point if he was actively telling his fanbase to go harass the people he talks about, but he doesn't so he isn't responsible for what his fanbase does. hell, I've seen people's fanbases go after people after having been explicitly told not to, so their argument is even more stupid
Coming back to this, I found the segment at 37:23 to be bizarre.
To detail how a close friend died in such a theatric or dramatic fashion:
"That's when they found him with the rope around his neck…"
Just comes off as odd. Is that just me?
Definitely not just you. I heard that and immediately winced because people don't describe traumatic personal things like that. It sounded like movie dialogue.
I had a classmate pass in a similar fashion, but not by suicide. It was because of the choking game. And I have never once described his death with such detail and theatrics. I had no reason to or want to. Even though I wasn't close to the person, I would just say "he died because of the choking game" and everyone put two and two together. It was too painful, still is even after 20 years, to describe how the choking game works and we don't even know the details of how he was found. Screams suspicious to me
Chaos talked about her dead friend in that way you hear witnesses of a crime talk to detectives investigating a murder in a tv show. It’s bizarre and sounds very rehearsed. There was no need for her to explain HOW he killed himself, because it’s irrelevant, and most people would think that.
Also, I know for a fact that when most people go through a traumatic event, majority of them don’t like to give the gruesome details unless prompted or mandatory to do so. Why is she telling Lio about the details of a suicide that happened years ago as if she witnessed them yesterday?
@@gregjayonnaise8314 like I don't even like talking about how I almost succeeded myself, it was so hard having to tell so many health professionals the details over and over again. I can't imagine being able to say something like that without like breaking down. I guess dissociation from it and like just kinda compartmentalizing exists, I've done it before when faced with stressful things but never a death of someone I'm supposedly close to. Just very very strange sus af
I know that she is a grown-ass woman and brought a lot of this on to herself, but I do feel a little bad for fluffy. Chaos does seem to be using her as a human shield for a lot of this bullshit. Like fluffy is far from innocent, but she at least showed up to the calls, unlike chaos.
I got the same impression. I have a feeling Chaos is probably really manipulative, and she uses Fluffy to do her dirty work. I may be wrong, of course. But that's how it looks to me.
@@songweretson Fluffy=useful idiot
It’s hard to watch but it needed to happen, Fluffy needs a reality check however harsh it is. Honestly Lio, Ponder and their friend did Fluffy a favor
@@meltedfroyo6979 If not asked to have been, as damage control, especially if they all tie in together?
I only just now noticed this, after listening to this video a few times since it's been released. At the end of the first call, Choas was going over a story with Miles/John that happened in High school, but he ended things in Middle school.
Lio i just wanted to say your videos have helped me get through work (i fix tables which requires a lot of sanding with headphones in) because otherwise i would die of boredom
1:49:00 - Of course there's no translator for Belgian language as it doesn't exist. :I (They speak Dutch, French and German)
I thought I was the only one to notice that. Cause I was sure Belgian wasn't a language.
Lio's impersonation of Benny Boy Sharpie-o made my sick ass wheeze. Good show lol. Needed that larf after hearing this goddamn circus.
Soooo let's c if I get this straight
JAR makes a video about his past n in that video he brings up a decade old comment where Chaos as a dumbass kid accuses JAR of leading her friend to suicide n JAR allowed a stupid 'grooming' claim on his first release of that video.
JAR removes the allegation and apologizes > Chaos does not apologize for a decade ago
JAR suspects the friend of Chaos does not exist > Chaos n her roommate Fluffy take issue and threaten legal action
Some time passes
JAR gets accused of being predator > the cop in charge is supposedly a high school mate of Chaos n Fluffy has worked with him b4
JAR is proven innocent.
Can't find the fake police officers name even though u went to school together.
Can't remember ur friends name who killed themselves even though u went to school with them n cared enough about them to accuse JAR of their death.
.......now I'm not smart.......but even I can follow the dots........n there is no treasure at the end 😔
Fluffy and Chaos have somehow found a way to get older but keep the mindset of kindergardeners
The Ben Shapiro part had me cry laughing after the most frustrating calls I’ve ever heard
Now that I think about it, the "Richard" person Chaos talked about in her storytimes might've been her mother. She must've come up with the Richard character to talk about the wrongs her mother did. I might be wrong, though.
Rule#1 never lie to LioConvoy.
Rule #2: Do not EVER make Lio angry
Rule#3 NEVER lie to LioConvoy.
Rule #4: If all else fails; review rules 1,2,3 for details....
IF Chaos was telling the truth about 'knowing' someone who killed himself, she either wasn't as close with him as she made it out to be; or was straight up using a random kid's death to shit on JAR.
There's just no way something like this could happen without ANY record of it being found for almost a whole damn YEAR. I was never a big fan of her, but learning who I thought was an awkward and fun person was actually kind of trashy fucking sucks.
And even if she forgot the name, don't Year Books usually have a page dedicated to students who passed away? So Chaos could easily look up the supposed dead friend's name
(Pls genuinely correct me, I'm not American so I'm going off of assumptions)
right? I really enjoyed her videos but now I just feel sick watching them due to the person behind it, and when I watch her videos I wonder if what she's actually talking about is true
@@izachi-chan2432In my experience, yes... or they have a physical memorial like a picture frame, or a name engraved, etc... though not always. It's not something they have to do, and I imagine most schools take into account the family's wishes.
Ponder mentioned that despite thinking JAR is a racist, she's still defending him.
I would love to hear why she thinks that. I don't watch JAR, nor am I a fan, just would love to hear Ponder's reasoning for that opinion she has on him.
He's been accused of saying racially insensitive things on some of his older videos a while ago, but he apologized since.
@@meltedfroyo6979 TBF, things change. She doesn't change thumbnails or take down videos very often, if at all.
Back then, she may have somewhat liked JAR, just how she liked Junkie, ViiOmega, and others.
Ponder did mention that she is going off of personal experiences, meaning she has nothing really to show to the audience as a way to explain why she thinks he's a racist. It's just up to us as a audience to assume she knows of something that we don't but won't do claims without evidence which, fair enough considering her content
Plus, if she doesn't feel comfortable supporting Jar anymore, that's her personal business and it's totally fine. No one should support a creator whom they disagree with
I mean, he kinda comes off as racially insensitive. Not something that Ponder needs to cancel him over or address, but doesn't feel comfortable with.
@@laced_crane2:37:45
This video / situation is so old but hearing places I know from my state and places my friend lived is so INSANE
I have never seen this channel before this video, but I am glad I found this. I never heard of this drama but it reminds me of someone who tried to pull something- less damning but still, knowing people like you are out there to actually help makes me so thankful... My drama was easily handled, I just gave up before it spread, I was only on twitter for three weeks... Never going to any social media again.
It’s so weird how Chaos describes their friend’s death in such detail yet can’t remember his name? When I was in middle school, we had a student who passed in a car accident, and even though I had never met the kid and hadn’t heard of him until then, I can still remember his name and the grief around the school at the time. It’s so obvious to me at that point that this wasn’t accurate because you can’t just forget something like that. Especially since Chaos described them as someone they knew personally.
2:28:00 ish
Omg the slip up!
And she didn't even catch it until it was explained to her 🤦🏻♀️
Ponder/B
My Queen
Being a bad bitch as always 😔🙏
Side note
Fluffy's constant cussing whenever she's annoyed/irritated weirdly urked me
As if she has ANY right to be short with ANYONE in this situation
@@Jynxxx5 agreed
In general, she comes across like the kind of person that will purposefully insert themself into other people's drama and then wonder why they're "suddenly involved"
I just experienced stage 4 brain damage from listening to these two talk bout the whole thing. Omg. I actually applaud you guys for the amount of patience you guys have, holy shit. I would have short circuited back the shadow realm.
After seeing this, I do hope justice is brought to this.
This call confirmed so much and Laka screwing up sending the info it is partly their fault for making that mistake. However, a good person would leave that private info alone. The fact that Fluffy thinks JAR would do something like this (if Raito was real) is sickening. So the calls confirm Fluffy knew this info in advance...I mean because of Laka's screw up but still the point.
Fluffy: wanna play that fuckin game?
Lio: yea sure lol
someone make a counter of how many times fluffy says "fucking"
The way Lio's breathing, I can feel the anger rising. Honestly I can't blame him, because Fluffy is an f***in ******bag! Like she tries to back talk the group for their failures, but instead is getting put in her place.
Christ almighty I'm sorry you had to endure all of that. I hope JAR gets the justice he deserves and Fluffy and Chaos gets what they both long had coming to them. Hope you're feeling better and God bless
Finally got to watching it in all parts so I can better collect my thoughts.
I know Fluffy is Chaos roommate, but it's so odd how quickly she has all the necessary excuses. Did Chaos instruct her what to say or did she actually ask the necessary questions and didn't think the amount of missing puzzle pieces is sus?
To be honest she shouldn't have had a call without Chaos, cause at the end Chaos pussied out and Fluffy had to deal with everything on her own.
It's just all so uncomfortable to listen to especially when JAR actually gets to speak. The dude is completely done from all of this
I unfortunately have to say that UNLESS the creator ENCOURAGES the fandom’s behavior, they are NOT responsible for the fan’s behavior.
See Travis Scoot and the Astro World incident-where the artist encouraged reckless behavior and even directed the audience to commit actions that endangered lives and killed several people.
If JAR does not say anything about people to harass users and does not perform encourages that would encourage harassment (such as doxing), then he cannot be held accountable.
I agree! 150% on this. If you encourage poor behaviours and dangerous activities you are somewhat culpable, not wholly responsible, but partly responsible for inciting the incidents said fans committed to take place. However if you do not incite or encourage said behaviour whatsoever, you are not responsible for what other adults decide to do without your consent or knowledge. If they decide to do things for you, thinking they are helping or being a good stan, when you didn't ask them to at all, that's entirely om said fan/adult. Crazed out of control adult fans are responsible for their own actions and will face the consequences for them sooner or later. Creators shouldn't have to babysit nor coddle full grown adults to behave as they as adults should.
Making lio mad is like trying to destroy a tactical nuke with a BB gun it will not end well for anyone who is dumb enough to do so.
Couldn’t have said it better myself; Lio’s anger could easily make Doom Guy and John Wick scared
Where does he get mad here?
@@Mac14329
In call 4. Where they confront Fluffy
Nah it's literally like poking a literal sleeping lion and expecting not to get mauled
Fear the lion
Take a shot every time Fluffy says some variation of "fuck" over these 5 calls. See how fast you get alcohol poisoning.
LMAO
Okay I actually had to laugh because I have some alcohol right next to me. Going to play that game now see ya later in the hospital👌
If I replaced the alcohol with water, I would get water poisoning. It’s that bad.
@@missliv.404 honey no replace it with water please XD
I’m entering AA after undertaking this challenge.
I can already tell that I'm gonna have a bunch of problems with the way that JAR's adversaries ar handling this, esecially with the admittance that
1. They KNOW that there's no way that anything they're threatening to charge him with will stick
2. That they're outright saying that the threats are a last resort for...
Not putting out a disclaimer to not be an asshole?
I'm very early into this, only on the first call. But as someone who struggle(d/s) with suicide and has all too many friends who unfortunately took that course of action, this attiude sickens me.
Not putting out a disclaimer is not directed harassment.
And what is with people using thei neurodivergent diagnosis as an excuse for things that they do as adults? I have diagnosis for adhd and Asperger's, but i still have to face reality and know what's real and not.
This is already just...stupid as fuck.
Agreed, it is stupid.
Also on the neurodivergent topic, what goes through their minds (well anyone who uses this excuse) to make them think that will somehow magically make them not at fault, neurological issues aren't shields to shift the blame.
I’m sorry to hear about your struggles, and hope you’re doing well.
And I cannot tell you how many times we’ve caught people doing horrifically immoral things and tried to hide behind autism to excuse them. It’s sickening.
@@Lio_Convoy as someone who has autism yeah no- people like this make us non pos nuerodivergent folk look bad it's absolutely laughable they'll pull that card when backed into a corner they made-
@@Lio_Convoy bruh I have ADHD and maybe autism and that is absolutely sickening people would hide behind that
@@Smolchild, same. I also have Aspergers and ADHD, that’s an excuse I used when I was very little. Now I’ve grown up, I have to deal with the people around me using that excuse for me when I don’t want them to.
fluffy: CHAOS THEIR NOT BYING IT!? WHAT DO WE DO!?
is probably what he is saying right now.
call 1
I jump ship real early? I was waiting for over a year for Laka's video to be done. Laka still isn't done and when they blocked me in the Tobi drama I was done trusting them.
"Ceo went after people and he was big." WHAT NO that never happened. In fact, I was the one telling others to stop going after PE013.
I want to make it clear that I said Lily was the older one of the 2 and not a minor at the time, if lily was the younger one and a minor I would have checked over the grooming claim carefully
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I really thought grooming was trying to get with someone and that is why CHILd grooming is bad.
if I knew that this god with an email thing would be this stupid I would have never let lily join me in that video. After laka was saying things like "you only care about yourself you are not the only victim." and Chaos said lily groomed her when she was 14 (when she wasn't) I jumped the gun without thinking and I was stupid.
Junkies call wasn't edited to make him look bad WTF?
I just want to make it clear I never called anyone a pedo in this.
call 2
LOL, I wanted to talk things out with tonnes of people tonnes of times but they always do this.
"HUMMMM should I talk things out or should I KYS?"
Call 3
LAKA's video will never be out I think it's been 2 years at this point. I skipped most of call 3 TBH
Call 4
THE IP shows they are in the same city and state it's them for sure.
Wow even ponder thinks I'm racist now. The last time I VCed with her she said Luke shouldn't have called me racist but it looks like she changed her mind.
There's a little more defiance than me taking accountability for the grooming claims. I never said anyone was a child groomer just a groomer, also they are saying I groomed a 13-year old lol.
Oh cool ponder is going of personal lol that could mean a lot of things TBH
"Maybe you have a biased against jar because of the grooming claims." okay maybe I have a bias because they said I killed someone.
But it is nice that ponder is on my side in a drama for the first time ever.
LAKA let my dox leek are you kidding me?
wait I agreed with laka to talk to C55t in a call before my video came out? when? knowing laka they will claim I said so in a call.
I'm done watching this.
why does ponder think you're racist tho?
@Eric Bailey I feel that's a very random and probably small thing to call someone completely and truly racist over tho, even still. Of course, either way people have their own definition of what is too much/over the top or just average for a joke, so can't really fault Ponder for their opinion if that's how they feel.
Eh it is what it is
@@DrDictator Right, that actually surprised me, I thought they were cool with each other 😭
I’m sorry your going through this JAR. This all really is just one big mess. And I hope Ponder and You both work things out. It’s saddening and I hate to see you both at odds. Everything seems like it’s falling to tatters.
Listening to all this I’m glad I was not allowed on social media until after I graduated high school.
Also having Asperger’s and being easily influenced by other people out of a desperation to be accepted by my peer group due to being ostracized/heavily bullied….I would’ve done some real stupid shit being the desperate people pleaser I was.
Also I found it really funny during the first confrontation fluffy was popping off with a nasty attitude but whenever they were trying to get the “minor“ to join the call she was quiet as a church mouse lol. Makes me wonder if Diggy was a sock account fluff owned.
The so-called victim saying “you asking me to prove my allegations is playing mind games“… No it’s not. Innocent until proven guilty if you want your allegations to be believed by everyone you need evidence to prove it. Especially when they are something as serious as a child grooming…. If you have the evidence it’s not mine games when someone asks you to show what you have to back up your claims.
Fluffy’s excuse for getting involved that being a victim she sees red when someone comes to her with allegations and stuff… That is literally a set up for her to be taken advantage of by literally anybody like ponder said. People that timer trauma they should not at all play detective and “help bring so much justice” because they are very affected by what happened to them. That is not healthy and it’s not gonna help anybody. Especially those allegations are false that can result in someone’s life being ruined or taken.
Like having that mindset fluffy has is dangerous. What a mindset you have no business trying to “help“ with an investigation when you already have a preconceived bias against the person someone’s making allegations about. You’re gonna be more focused on proving that person 100% guilty even if you are dead ass wrong as you are helping someone fabricate evidence for false allegations. People are so quick to spread false predator allegations against someone they don’t even like or someone that they do know but they had a falling out with out of some petty revenge. And some of the minds like fluffy can easily be taken advantage of to help spread that slander.
Fluffy asking “Why would anybody purposely commit conspiracy and post it everywhere then be like oops i messed up”…..Pentagrin and Stories did the same thing…..
Jar being an absolute goof ball makes me laugh because I'd be the same way lmao
Agreed im not sure if its intentional or just JAR being himself.
I used to be a fan of Chaos55t's and to be honest I unsubbed from her after hearing of what she has done, I am saddend that people go this far to cancel people.
Like how hard is it for people to tell the truth?
As for you Lio I am surprised that you havent had a heart attack from all the stress of all the idiots you've delt with.
Anyway I hope Jar feels better and gets a vacation and or just take time to relax I will go sub to him and support him.
Thank you.
To be honest I feel she wont do anything she is running from the truth and wont own up to her mistakes, This situation is why I dont put my trust into TH-camr's, I can enjoy the content but wont fully trust them because of what happened.
I got to know her when doodles did collab or was another TH-camrs either way I enjoyed it subbed to her and junkie.
I regret my choices when jar and manga kamen came out called junkie out!
Than this shit happen I fucking unsub quicker than most I hate these lies with passion.
This reminded me of back when I was a chaos55t fan - I remember the moment I ... stopped being one. It was 3 years ago so I was like, either almost 13 or 13 and Chaos uploads a FAIl RP video ... like, number 5 I think? And oh my gosh, my fan post is thereeee.... and It's cringe ... cause i was 12 or 13 and couldn't writeeeee ....
Honestly, glad I stopped being a fan then over getting called out for my poor 12/13 year old writing - cause now i have absolutely no reason to think of chaos exactly words from chaos about my post having been "all I'm getting from this is I'm a NERD and everyone ELSE is the ASSHOLE"
Im glad i was so cringe back then actually, otherwise, i might have been a fan when this drama started happening since usually I'm pretty clueless to this stuff LMAO.
My favorite part of this was seeing Jar having a lio moment when it came to sharing on discord mobile 😂.
like, Jar not understanding how to screen share is so funny and such a mood
The chills i got from the change of tone at 2:29:53 oh my land
This was literally just fluffy as a perpetual crying soyjack Jesus christ this was pretty much 3+ hours of them doing everything imaginable to dodge the questions and try to convince someone with 0 proof
“If your so Fing done than just go to bed!” (While cutting off an angry Lio.)
Oh no
The sound clip of "It was at this moment he knew he fucked up" should have played
I'm so late to this video but the whole conversation starting with jar jumpscaring everyone in chat with his food eating asmr and then his little simping speech after finding out peaches was there was pretty funny. What an absolute goober
Jar being a boomer with the screen share made me laugh , which was needed after this debacle
I was listening to some of this again because it still has me in such disbelief but Lio is absolutely correct. I lost quite a few people in my life to suicide over the years. I remember the names of ALL of them. Even my aunt who passed when I was 7. Sure some of my memories on her are fuzzy. But I do remember her name and face still.
If you love someone you aren’t going to forget them, friends or family, to something as traumatic as suicide.
I feel so bad for Jar, poor guy got so screwed up by Fluffy and Chaos (as well by Junkie and the others as well). I hope he feels better soon and he can breathe and rest. the best for you, Jar
4:25:36 is like Buster asking "You really think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?"
WAIT!
So Fluffy tried to argue that she shouldn't be guilty because of association? Isn't that their whole case aganst JAR being Guilty? At least he doesn't live with his fans.
Well is fair for them but not for jar after all he’s the dragon gotta slay.